China:"Nothing is happening and all these windowless fortresses with barbed wire fences and armed guards are just employment training schools for the Allahu akbar believing, brutish and fanatic non-Han subhuma-………I mean, the fine folks at the local vicinity. Also we have enough human kidneys and hearts just lying around for some fucking reason just ready on moments notice to save countless rich people and CCP officials. ESPECIALLY high-ranking CCP officials.
You name an organ, we'll provide you one. Just contact us at 1-800-URUMQI-ORGAN-HARVESTER."
There’s a reason a pretty homogenous ethnic groups covers an entire subcontinent…. It’s basically a Chinese tradition at this point to ethnically cleanse their own population
Americans: if it happened, it doesn't matter because we saved you
World: but you didn't really save anyone
Americans: my job here is done, you are welcome!!
We are those barbarians. Though if you’re an English speaker your ancestors probably never lived under Roman rule. But the Romans genocided, enslaved and culturally destroyed millions of people. They’re the reason why the Celts are barely hanging on today and the reason why many other unique cultures are gone today.
Germans still do not recognize the genocide they commited in Africa, they also ignore the ongoing genocide so i do not know if they are good at admitting
Nah, the Japanese ND Italians could give the Turks a run for their money. The Japanese never talk about their actions, while the Italians straight up don't need to because we forgot they did horrid shit.
Hyderabad had a death toll of 40,000, calculated by the Indian government themselves. Perpetrated by the Indian army. An estimated 20,000–100,000 Muslims were massacred in the October-November 1947 massacre perpetrated by RSS. These are pretty huge numbers
Yet incomparable with a targeted genocide causing AT LEAST 300,000 deaths and most likely in the millions.Comparing Hyderabad and Bangladesh is like saying the suffering of Palestinians is equivalent to the holocaust.Both are HORRIFIC incidents,no doubt,but the scales are incomparable.
I do not "scale" tragedy but comparing any horrible violent event to a genocide is just disrespectful to the victims of genocide.We do have separate penalties for separate crimes,right ? A genocide is a very specific and gruesome act,a word that should not be used lightly.I hope you see where I'm coming from.
As a Bengali the number of times I hear Armenian genocide while these massacres or the Bengal famine gets ignored if insane.
Like there's an Armenian genocide meme on the front page every other day
The japanese. At least turkish people actually aware that there was a genocide (whether they admit it or not). The japanese people tho, completely don't know that they were invading people left and right (let alone the jugun ianfu thing, nanking, unit something thing, or any other atrocities in ww2).
But you can make a different argument that the Turkish win as they know it happened and still deny it while the average Japanese don't know what happened
Actually the people who were directly responsible for the genocide at the time owned it, were proud of it. Many also openly said about the same thing should be done to the Greeks.
So they were well aware of what they did, and they approved of it.
It’s only after the foundation of the Republic that the denialism comes in because Atatürk propped up a belief that Turks are noble and strong people… he himself was not a genocide denier, but the nationalistic identity he created led to what is modern genocide denialism amongst Turkish society.
Armenian genocide denial was a mostly a diplomatic policy. People just started copying it. And because the Armenian right after disappeared into the Soviet Union there only was more reason to hate Armenians by Turkish logic back then.
It's interesting how there are 18 million Jews on Earth compared to 2 billion Muslims and yet the former group is always getting accused by the latter of "genocide".
Actually it is, because it illustrates the fact that Jews just want to exist and be left alone whereas Muslims won't be happy until the entire world is forced to live according to their extremely oppressive religious beliefs.
Not really, it's the idea of self defense, and considiring those thousands of children are sadly dead due to the war, that was started mind you by Hamas killing civilians and children, the fact is if this war wasen't started, thousands would be alive, and who started the war ? Hamas, so get a better point, is Palestinian idea of coexistence the idea to constantly wipe out kill and kick out any jew from the land like has been attempted for the past nearly 100 years
The government of Israel is committing a genocide. The Jewish ethnoreligious group as a whole is not. Israel hiding behind "Well, we're the jews and thus can't do anything bad because holocaust and ethnic minority" is bullshit.
Yeaaa we really need another lesson on what genocide actually is. This is getting a bit ridiculous and completely ignorant to the actual definition of genocide and belittles the atrocities that have happened in history.
All those Armenians and Greeks just happened to take a long walk to Syria over a dry, underpopulated plateau with extreme weather.
We had nothing to do with it guv.
Wasn't the word genocide invented post-Holocaust? Describing the Armenian genocide as Armenian massacre seems to be a common practice in Turkey. A 1910's denier wouldn't have much room deny then.
It is not a common practice at all, it is mostly called Armenian Deportation but the word used for deportation doesn't draw bad ideas as much as the English equivalent.
Live in Netherlands, but obviously I speak with family members in Turkey, and although I try to avoid topics like this, I keep on listening without adding anything.
I am not completely familiar with the Turkish education system, but if it is province dependent, I am from Kastamonu. Not necessarily conservative but by no means progressive (like most provinces in Turkey).
It's called "Armenian Resettlement" because the place they were sent to was still inside the Ottoman Empire at the time, so "deportation" would be wrong.
Despite the name, it's still widely acknowledged that hundreds of thousands died during this resettlement, I don't know where this "nothing happened but they deserved it" meme comes from.
Turkish government policy has been contradictory, ranging from 'it didn't happen' to, roughly, 'if anything hypothetically bad happened they deserved it anyway, but we didn't do it'.
[(PDF) “Education and National Narratives: Changing Representations of the Armenian Genocide in History Textbooks in Turkey,” The International Journal for Education Law and Policy (2010), pp. 103–26. | Jennifer M Dixon - Academia.edu](https://www.academia.edu/11592097/_Education_and_National_Narratives_Changing_Representations_of_the_Armenian_Genocide_in_History_Textbooks_in_Turkey_The_International_Journal_for_Education_Law_and_Policy_2010_pp_103_26)
[Walls of Silence: Translating the Armenian Genocide into Turkish and Self-Censorship: Critique: Vol 37, No 4 (tandfonline.com)](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/03017600903205781)
[The Armenian Genocide: Patterns of Genocide and Denial by Roy Williams :: SSRN](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4012377)
Meanwhile in this sub…
“Guys the expulsions/massacres against Turks during the Balkan wars and Greco-Turkish war didn’t happen but they deserved it.”
1 billion updootes
You cannot vacate someone from their home and justify it with "probably". It is the basic principle of a justice led state that you won't justify anything because there was a chance they did something bad.
In the same way the Enver Pasha justified killing the Armenians. Because if you asked him, they "probably" collaborated with the Russians. Don't try to justify collective punishment.
The difference is the Armenians weren’t suppressing the Turks, no matter how much they love to play victim. He Turks vacated plenty of people from their homes when they invaded the Balkans, then took those people’s children as slaves. Fuck em
Attrocities that are to be expected in war and full blown organized genocide by the state on several ethnicities are hardly the same thing turkglodyte.I mean just look at the turkish minority of greek thrace,not only is it still alive and well but is is larger then it was back in the 20th century,meanwhile the greeks and armenians who have been inhabiting anatolia since the dawn of recorded history are nowhere to be found after the 20th century.Also we greeks learn about the attrocities we commited in school and don't deny them ,meanwhile your compatriots will switch from "it didn't happen" to "they deserved it"in the same sentence no less.Not to mention that your politicians still behave like it is 1920 and break international treaties by infiltrating greek airspace, while my people have largely moved on.So please do not pretend that we are the same, to anyone with even a surface level understanding of the situation it is clear that you are the agressor.
The competition include holocaust, Nanking, armenian genocide, Khmer rouge, kosovo, tuskegee and witch burn. Damn, if this were a real competition, the participants will try to kill each other cuz "my denial is superior than us"
Man gotta love history memes, Everytime i get bored im gonna post about armenian genocide
Loser go find better meme stop rolling same meme over and over again
Anyway It happened lmao who cares at this point, They dead. You cant fix history.
No, but I think there is huge difference that you clearly fail to see.
the Rwandan Genocide was a planned and organized attack agianst over 800,000 civilians in attempt to kill as many of them as possible and it started with zero provocation and with utter evil in mind.
what's happening in Gaza doesn't even graze those numbers, and the numbers in gaza are as high as they are because The Gazan Government (Hamas) is willing to sacrafice those civilians and hide behind them by using extremly unvoncential means to get their civilians killed in order for the war to last longer and to give Israel a bad name, everyone calling it a genocide and ignoring how it started why and so forth, with Hamas attacking Israel and killing over a thousand people, and kidnapping and yet to this day holding Israeli civilians hostage, if it wants to help palestinians so bad, why won't it just release the hostages and surrendur ? Hamas are the noly reason Palestinian continue to die, it's because their reluctance to watch from their high towers in qatar or wherever and not care about their people at all, Israel dropped Leaflets before bombs to warn the people due to the fact they raelly don't have any other choice but to use Bombs to flush out Hamas cells, in Rwanda those generals organized probably one of the biggest genocides in african history and killed without provocation, their neighbours, friends and sometimes family, while in Israel they face war and constant aggression and provocation by terror groups like hamas and Hezbollah, and still arguibly do as little damage as they are forced to do
Buddy this all started well before Hamas was founded you do know that
Also Isreal does *not* do "as little damage as they can" because you can't say then then fucking level a city block. You can't say that while denying water, power, and medical supplies
True, but the question is weather it's a genocide, I'm not denying the horrible amount of dead Civilians in the war, I just think that calling it a genocide is wrong because they aren't dead because Israel started a "genocide" they are dead because HAMAS started a war, hid behind civilians, and caused those civilians to die, Hamas knows full well the only way to last is to kill it's own civilians by hiding behind them, those civilians aren't dead because Israel wants them to die, they are dead because Hamas is trying to get them killed, hence why the hostages should be released, and hamas flushed out completly
It’s getting harder and harder to tell them apart. How’s the saying go? If you’re sitting at a table with 6 people and a Nazi, there’s 7 Nazis or something like that. I find that a disheartening number of Palestinian supporters are either quietly antisemitic or at the very least willfully ignorant.
I think it more has to do with anti-semetic people using it as an excuse for their ignorance. The issue with the situation is not "jews bad" and the people saying this do not care about Palestinian. They probably want them to die too bc they're not Christian.
Sure for some of them, but when you have mass demonstrations on college campuses with chants of “Strike Tel Aviv” or “Al Qassim’s next targets” or “Gas the Jews” or “We are all Hamas” or “10/7 Again” or flashing Nazi salutes when Jews pass by or calling Jewish students “it” or calling synagogues “Zionist dens” or saying “Zionists have infested our camp” when Jewish students are passing by or cheering when Iran launched missiles at Israel or commenting “free Palestine” on the Auschwitz memorial Twitter page or making signs showing the Star of David in the trash or so on and so forth (there’s a lot of other examples) then I’m not so sure that it’s just a few bad actors rather it’s a plague spreading through the movement as a whole.
You know what's bad? A terrorist attack killing 800 civilians and taking 250 hostages.
You know what's worse? The forced removal of 750,000 Palestinians in 1948, 50 years of colonial settlement and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank, imposition of a complete siege denying the necessities of life to 2 million people, and killing over 20,000 civilians since October 7.
You know what's even worse? Psuedohistorical bullshit that denies the fact that Jews are native to the Levant and Arab Muslims are violent imperial colonizers who showed up many centuries later.
Mizrahim are *a* native group in the Levant. Palestinians are as well. Palestinians are not transplants from the Hijaz, they are mostly locals who converted and began speaking Arabic.
But even if they were, the early Arab conquests happened far too early to apply modern labels like "colonialism." There are migrations that have happened since that, being a fact of history, have to be taken as legitimate. Indigeneity is not a justification for ethnic cleansing.
Sure, but what's the significance of that? It's a single violent conquest 1300 years ago. The Arabs didn't even conquer it from the Jews, but from the Romans. Palestine had also been conquered by crusaders, Mongols and several waves of Turks. Why should any of that justify atrocities on the people who happened to live there?
As I said, there are plenty of examples of invasions and migrations worldwide in the intervening 1300 years. They do not form a justification for ethnic cleansing *today*.
One of those migrations that has to be accepted, for example, is the Jewish migration to what is now Israel. There is virtually no suggestion that Israelis should be expelled, only that they cannot settle *new* lands outside of Israel proper.
>One of those migrations that has to be accepted, for example, is the Jewish migration to what is now Israel.
Weird how you say this and then frame Israeli self defense against an Islamist terrorist group who attacked them as "ethnic cleansing".
Israel's actions in the Gaza Strip have long since exceeded self-defence. Levelling of most civilian infrastructure and imposition of a siege go beyond self-defence and enter the realm of collective punishment. Sure, Hamas consciously blurs the line between civilian and military infrastructure, lessening its protection under international law, but Israel's actions still have to be governed by proportionality. It is still illegal to flatten a hybrid target where there isn't an overriding strategic advantage in doing so.
It's also worth pointing out that what I called "ethnic cleansing" is Israel's actions *in the West Bank*. That has nothing to do with Hamas, whose reach is mostly limited to the Gaza Strip.
Even if Hamas was in the West Bank, however, it would not be "self-defence" to settle foreign (i.e., from Israel, not Palestine) populations and forcibly remove the native population.
Me when I get my history education from the University of Reddit. If you're going to be blatantly racist at least be funny about it, maybe ask for that in the new hasbara update
Which part of my statement are you disputing? That Jews are native to the Levant, or that Muslims are violent conquerors who showed up many centuries later?
I'm not taking the bait bud, arguing with racists is below me. I'm sure you have nothing better to do but I don't waste my time convincing people out of their bigotry. I'm sure you'll find some white hooded folk somewhere who will enjoy conversing with you far more than I. Hope you heal
Ah yes, "bigotry" is when you acknowledge the historical fact that Jews are native to the Levant while Muslims are conquerors who showed up many centuries later.
1- palestenians were also native
2- just because you are native to a land / your god seas you should live in it doesn't justify commiting genocide and war crimes to achieve it
I don't think many Zionists deny the Nakba though, and "zionists" is a very broad term based on a simple idea for an ideolegy of zionism, I am not excusing any crimes commited by the state of Israel, but I honesty can't see how the 2 are even close, 1 is about an ongoing conflict between 2 warring nations, and the other is about the biggest genocide in history that killed over 10 million people based on ethnicity, sexual orientation, disabilities, religion, and so forth, and there is thousands upon thousands of pictures, videos, testimonies, sadly slowly decaying amount of first hand accounts from witnesses and much more
in israel, they openly deny the nakba, and then say, that they are giving palestinians nakba **2.0** in gaza. see speeches of their ministers.
foreign zionists mostly copy israeli propaganda.
and yes zionist is a broad term, and does not automatically mean nakba denial, but i am speaking about what most zionists believe.
just like how the name national socialism does not mean anything(it is a stupid meaningless name), but it is perfectly fine to say that national socialists hate jews(they say the "holocaust didn't happen, but joos are sub human, and deserved it")
I don't deny the Nakba, hell many Israelis are even taught about the Nakba within their history classes and that's a fact (although the world itself is never mentioned) so I doubt most would deny it apart from maybe the most most radical which probably don't deny it but sadly celebrate it, and again I don't support people and shits saying "lets do nakba 2" but both sides are saying bullshit like that, per example, palestinians celebrating and saying they will do the 7th of october a thousand more times, both are wrong, neither side is right.
How do you know what most zionists belive ? like really I wanna know, there are millions of zionists in the world, some none jewish, alot probably are jewish too, coming from many backgrounds in ethnic, economic, and other such sense, you can't compile 1 broad term ideolegy into 1 and say they all thing the same, that just doesn't work, it's like I'd say anyone who wants to free palestine and everyone who wants a ceasefire support terrorism, but there is fecking millions upon millions, each one thinks different, radicals, moderates, and other such exist in every single possible group.
but Nazism arguibly is a defined ideolegy, we have countless records and definitions set out and laid out by Nazis themselves on what their ideoelgy consists of, in zionism the main consistency is the right for a Jewish state to exist, in Nazism there are multiple, most probably include death to certain minorites and the idea of white supremacy, so I think there is a difference
holy shit, never expected a good and civil comment, it's kinda tiring at some points when people just yell at eachother and try and mock eachother more after each comment, thanks for taking my response politley and accepting different views, based as fuck
First of all it didnt happen and second of all they deserved it - Average denier
It's like the Cell Block Tango from Chicago. "I didn't do it, but if I'd done it, how could you tell me that I was wrong?"
Japanese when comfort women ask for reparations
Tell her I got some in my pocket next time I cum see her lil ass
Is that you, Cenk?
You're absolutely right, that's my bad. Never happened.
I've heard this line a lot recently, and not about Armenia.
Germans: We're Sorry, It Happened Japaneses: We're sorry for what thing exactly? Turks: Didnt happen and if it did they deserved it
Chinese: You better be sorry for saying it happened.
China:"Nothing is happening and all these windowless fortresses with barbed wire fences and armed guards are just employment training schools for the Allahu akbar believing, brutish and fanatic non-Han subhuma-………I mean, the fine folks at the local vicinity. Also we have enough human kidneys and hearts just lying around for some fucking reason just ready on moments notice to save countless rich people and CCP officials. ESPECIALLY high-ranking CCP officials. You name an organ, we'll provide you one. Just contact us at 1-800-URUMQI-ORGAN-HARVESTER."
Non-Han subhuman 🤣
I don’t quite think china compare to the rest of these do they
There’s a reason a pretty homogenous ethnic groups covers an entire subcontinent…. It’s basically a Chinese tradition at this point to ethnically cleanse their own population
Russia: Yeah, and what are you gonna do about it?
Americans: if it happened, it doesn't matter because we saved you World: but you didn't really save anyone Americans: my job here is done, you are welcome!!
What have the Romans ever done for us?
Civilized the barbarians and inspired them to imitate
Don’t ask Caesar those surplus Gauls went (Totally not slaves)
We are those barbarians. Though if you’re an English speaker your ancestors probably never lived under Roman rule. But the Romans genocided, enslaved and culturally destroyed millions of people. They’re the reason why the Celts are barely hanging on today and the reason why many other unique cultures are gone today.
Israeli: These subhumans deserved it.
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^ case in point. Thank you for illustrating their point perfectly.
Yeah the lack of self-awareness of war crime apologists on this sub astounding
Germans still do not recognize the genocide they commited in Africa, they also ignore the ongoing genocide so i do not know if they are good at admitting
Or a Turk now
Or, frankly. A Turk from nearly any time period.
Was about to type the same comment lmao
I mean tbf isn't it illegal to acknowledge it?
Why would it be? It happened.
I think they meant within Turkey itself.
Not sure about that. But it’s definitely not acknowledged officially or in schools
Not necessarily.
Nah, the Japanese ND Italians could give the Turks a run for their money. The Japanese never talk about their actions, while the Italians straight up don't need to because we forgot they did horrid shit.
From... The late 1910s? Has anyone in this family even talked to a Turk?
Pakistan with Bangladesh, India with Kashmir and Hyderabad
nice to see you not having downvotes.
Hyderabad was horrible but comparing Bangladesh with Kashmir and Hyderabad is 💀
Hyderabad had a death toll of 40,000, calculated by the Indian government themselves. Perpetrated by the Indian army. An estimated 20,000–100,000 Muslims were massacred in the October-November 1947 massacre perpetrated by RSS. These are pretty huge numbers
wtf
Yet incomparable with a targeted genocide causing AT LEAST 300,000 deaths and most likely in the millions.Comparing Hyderabad and Bangladesh is like saying the suffering of Palestinians is equivalent to the holocaust.Both are HORRIFIC incidents,no doubt,but the scales are incomparable.
You don't scale tragedy the fuck
I do not "scale" tragedy but comparing any horrible violent event to a genocide is just disrespectful to the victims of genocide.We do have separate penalties for separate crimes,right ? A genocide is a very specific and gruesome act,a word that should not be used lightly.I hope you see where I'm coming from.
As a Bengali the number of times I hear Armenian genocide while these massacres or the Bengal famine gets ignored if insane. Like there's an Armenian genocide meme on the front page every other day
Still loses against a modern day Japanese person
And modern day Israelis and Israel fanboys
It’s an ethnic cleansing, and im not a fan of either side
Who will win? The Japanese or Turkish
Maybe the Turks will win in the battle of denying genocide but the Japanese will win in the battle of femboys.
Japanese shills are a lot less likely to show up in the comments
"Nah,I'd win" - Mongols after worshipping Genghis Khan for the 420th time today
They don't deny it they say it was fun
The japanese. At least turkish people actually aware that there was a genocide (whether they admit it or not). The japanese people tho, completely don't know that they were invading people left and right (let alone the jugun ianfu thing, nanking, unit something thing, or any other atrocities in ww2).
But you can make a different argument that the Turkish win as they know it happened and still deny it while the average Japanese don't know what happened
Ignorance isn’t a excuse
I didn't say that
Truly a battle of the ages. Not a very climatic one though...
What about Israelis
Meanwhile Maynmar silently enters the competition and steals medals because everybody ignores them.
Actually the people who were directly responsible for the genocide at the time owned it, were proud of it. Many also openly said about the same thing should be done to the Greeks. So they were well aware of what they did, and they approved of it. It’s only after the foundation of the Republic that the denialism comes in because Atatürk propped up a belief that Turks are noble and strong people… he himself was not a genocide denier, but the nationalistic identity he created led to what is modern genocide denialism amongst Turkish society.
It seems to have risen more with the islamacist bastardization of Ataturk’s political ideology
Armenian genocide denial was a mostly a diplomatic policy. People just started copying it. And because the Armenian right after disappeared into the Soviet Union there only was more reason to hate Armenians by Turkish logic back then.
This works for Turks in any era despite the fact that it never happened but also they deserved it.
Going through comments, reporting the rule violators. It ain't much but it's honest work.
Why did you enter a genocidal denial competition?
is he israeli or japanese?
It's interesting how there are 18 million Jews on Earth compared to 2 billion Muslims and yet the former group is always getting accused by the latter of "genocide".
“We have less people so we can’t be doing a genocide” Come now, that makes no sense
We have less people because unlike Muslims, we don't violently force other people to convert to our religion. That's their thing, not ours.
Coolio but we all know that’s not what this is about lmao.
Actually it is, because it illustrates the fact that Jews just want to exist and be left alone whereas Muslims won't be happy until the entire world is forced to live according to their extremely oppressive religious beliefs.
If your idea of “just wanting to exist” is killing thousands of children and actively displacing people then ok buddy.
Not really, it's the idea of self defense, and considiring those thousands of children are sadly dead due to the war, that was started mind you by Hamas killing civilians and children, the fact is if this war wasen't started, thousands would be alive, and who started the war ? Hamas, so get a better point, is Palestinian idea of coexistence the idea to constantly wipe out kill and kick out any jew from the land like has been attempted for the past nearly 100 years
More Palestinians have been killed by Israel in the West Bank, where Hamas does not exist, than the number of Israelis killed by Hamas on October 7th.
West Bank, Golan heights, Lebanon? No Hamas in any of those areas.
Israel has been constantly expanding and displacing people even in places like the Western bank. It's definitely not just "wanting to exist".
The government of Israel is committing a genocide. The Jewish ethnoreligious group as a whole is not. Israel hiding behind "Well, we're the jews and thus can't do anything bad because holocaust and ethnic minority" is bullshit.
Yeaaa we really need another lesson on what genocide actually is. This is getting a bit ridiculous and completely ignorant to the actual definition of genocide and belittles the atrocities that have happened in history.
maskovians are on par with turks, about holodomor.
Turk vs tankie who would win
Lord protect us from the Turkish Communists
These days will be full of Turks battling in the comments. They will never make peace with their past. Ever.
I mean if my country hadn’t been relevant in a century, I’d be delusional too
Hey why did the Cuban missile crisis start? Couldn’t have had anything to do with Turkey noooo
Ah yeah. The denying genocides competition. Everyone knows about them.
All those Armenians and Greeks just happened to take a long walk to Syria over a dry, underpopulated plateau with extreme weather. We had nothing to do with it guv.
Can’t wait to see the comments from the Turks Bravo 6… going dark 🍿
My turn to post this tomorrow
No way, I paid $3.50 to the mods to let me post tomorrow
Turk today
*JK Rowling has joined the chat.*
Or a Turk from the 2010s. "It didn't happen and if it did they deserve it"
Wasn't the word genocide invented post-Holocaust? Describing the Armenian genocide as Armenian massacre seems to be a common practice in Turkey. A 1910's denier wouldn't have much room deny then.
It is not a common practice at all, it is mostly called Armenian Deportation but the word used for deportation doesn't draw bad ideas as much as the English equivalent.
Deportation and massacre have been used hand in hand where I'm from. One didn't exclude the other.
Do you live in Germany? Using the word massacre is pretty much a taboo in most parts of Turkey.
Live in Netherlands, but obviously I speak with family members in Turkey, and although I try to avoid topics like this, I keep on listening without adding anything. I am not completely familiar with the Turkish education system, but if it is province dependent, I am from Kastamonu. Not necessarily conservative but by no means progressive (like most provinces in Turkey).
It's called "Armenian Resettlement" because the place they were sent to was still inside the Ottoman Empire at the time, so "deportation" would be wrong. Despite the name, it's still widely acknowledged that hundreds of thousands died during this resettlement, I don't know where this "nothing happened but they deserved it" meme comes from.
Turkish government policy has been contradictory, ranging from 'it didn't happen' to, roughly, 'if anything hypothetically bad happened they deserved it anyway, but we didn't do it'. [(PDF) “Education and National Narratives: Changing Representations of the Armenian Genocide in History Textbooks in Turkey,” The International Journal for Education Law and Policy (2010), pp. 103–26. | Jennifer M Dixon - Academia.edu](https://www.academia.edu/11592097/_Education_and_National_Narratives_Changing_Representations_of_the_Armenian_Genocide_in_History_Textbooks_in_Turkey_The_International_Journal_for_Education_Law_and_Policy_2010_pp_103_26) [Walls of Silence: Translating the Armenian Genocide into Turkish and Self-Censorship: Critique: Vol 37, No 4 (tandfonline.com)](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/03017600903205781) [The Armenian Genocide: Patterns of Genocide and Denial by Roy Williams :: SSRN](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4012377)
From Turkish nationalists
Turk is enough lmao
You mean Japanese Israeli turk
Clinton in 1994
Never forget the 18 billion dinosaurs turks killed
What happened ?
Meanwhile in this sub… “Guys the expulsions/massacres against Turks during the Balkan wars and Greco-Turkish war didn’t happen but they deserved it.” 1 billion updootes
Howd the Turks get in the Balkans?
Are you arguing that the Turks that got massacred during the Balkan wars deserved it?
I’m arguing that claiming victim when the people you conquered, castrated, and turned into sex slaves fought back is idiotic
So the answer is yes, you support the ethnic cleaning of innocent Turkish civilians
I support the violent overthrow of the devshirme and sexual slavery, yes 🥰
And that requires the expulsion of innocent Turkish civilians that did nothing wrong?
They helped said system of devshirme and sexual slavery. Many probably owned slaves themselves
You cannot vacate someone from their home and justify it with "probably". It is the basic principle of a justice led state that you won't justify anything because there was a chance they did something bad. In the same way the Enver Pasha justified killing the Armenians. Because if you asked him, they "probably" collaborated with the Russians. Don't try to justify collective punishment.
The difference is the Armenians weren’t suppressing the Turks, no matter how much they love to play victim. He Turks vacated plenty of people from their homes when they invaded the Balkans, then took those people’s children as slaves. Fuck em
It's cool and fun when we do it, it's bad and despicable when you do it. It's as simple as that.
Attrocities that are to be expected in war and full blown organized genocide by the state on several ethnicities are hardly the same thing turkglodyte.I mean just look at the turkish minority of greek thrace,not only is it still alive and well but is is larger then it was back in the 20th century,meanwhile the greeks and armenians who have been inhabiting anatolia since the dawn of recorded history are nowhere to be found after the 20th century.Also we greeks learn about the attrocities we commited in school and don't deny them ,meanwhile your compatriots will switch from "it didn't happen" to "they deserved it"in the same sentence no less.Not to mention that your politicians still behave like it is 1920 and break international treaties by infiltrating greek airspace, while my people have largely moved on.So please do not pretend that we are the same, to anyone with even a surface level understanding of the situation it is clear that you are the agressor.
Turk from the 1910's or 2020's, doesn't matter.
As a turk from late 1910s i can confirm it's true
I don't think the "from the late 1910s" part is necessary here.
Also the Azeris
The competition include holocaust, Nanking, armenian genocide, Khmer rouge, kosovo, tuskegee and witch burn. Damn, if this were a real competition, the participants will try to kill each other cuz "my denial is superior than us"
A Turk ~~from the late 1910s~~
Man gotta love history memes, Everytime i get bored im gonna post about armenian genocide Loser go find better meme stop rolling same meme over and over again Anyway It happened lmao who cares at this point, They dead. You cant fix history.
Isn't that just a Turkish person in every decade?
Communists, and turks
"They deserved what they didn't get"
Or a Zionist
Will I ever see a post where anything related to Israel is not mentioned in the comments?
you stupid
A modern Israeli can beat them.
The Tiktok educational program is really doing some heavy lifting lately
Least anti semitic hamas apologist
Is being critical of the Rwandan Genocide racist?
No, but I think there is huge difference that you clearly fail to see. the Rwandan Genocide was a planned and organized attack agianst over 800,000 civilians in attempt to kill as many of them as possible and it started with zero provocation and with utter evil in mind. what's happening in Gaza doesn't even graze those numbers, and the numbers in gaza are as high as they are because The Gazan Government (Hamas) is willing to sacrafice those civilians and hide behind them by using extremly unvoncential means to get their civilians killed in order for the war to last longer and to give Israel a bad name, everyone calling it a genocide and ignoring how it started why and so forth, with Hamas attacking Israel and killing over a thousand people, and kidnapping and yet to this day holding Israeli civilians hostage, if it wants to help palestinians so bad, why won't it just release the hostages and surrendur ? Hamas are the noly reason Palestinian continue to die, it's because their reluctance to watch from their high towers in qatar or wherever and not care about their people at all, Israel dropped Leaflets before bombs to warn the people due to the fact they raelly don't have any other choice but to use Bombs to flush out Hamas cells, in Rwanda those generals organized probably one of the biggest genocides in african history and killed without provocation, their neighbours, friends and sometimes family, while in Israel they face war and constant aggression and provocation by terror groups like hamas and Hezbollah, and still arguibly do as little damage as they are forced to do
Buddy this all started well before Hamas was founded you do know that Also Isreal does *not* do "as little damage as they can" because you can't say then then fucking level a city block. You can't say that while denying water, power, and medical supplies
What positive comment did he make about Hamas? Show the quote. No matter how upset you are about October 7th, there is no justification for genocide.
True, but the question is weather it's a genocide, I'm not denying the horrible amount of dead Civilians in the war, I just think that calling it a genocide is wrong because they aren't dead because Israel started a "genocide" they are dead because HAMAS started a war, hid behind civilians, and caused those civilians to die, Hamas knows full well the only way to last is to kill it's own civilians by hiding behind them, those civilians aren't dead because Israel wants them to die, they are dead because Hamas is trying to get them killed, hence why the hostages should be released, and hamas flushed out completly
It didn't happen, they deserved all of it and it's Palestinians who did it.
But then you remember you're an Israel apologist from 2024 😏💪
Hamas apologists try not to make everything about themselves challenge (impossible)
uMkhonto we Sizwe apologists (anti-Apartheid activists) try not to make everything about themselves (ending Apartheid) challenge (impossible)
Interesting how you ignore every other comparison on this thread.
Because I’m so sick of Hamas apologists
Not everyone opposed to Isreal's Massacre of civilans supports HAMAS
It’s getting harder and harder to tell them apart. How’s the saying go? If you’re sitting at a table with 6 people and a Nazi, there’s 7 Nazis or something like that. I find that a disheartening number of Palestinian supporters are either quietly antisemitic or at the very least willfully ignorant.
I think it more has to do with anti-semetic people using it as an excuse for their ignorance. The issue with the situation is not "jews bad" and the people saying this do not care about Palestinian. They probably want them to die too bc they're not Christian.
Sure for some of them, but when you have mass demonstrations on college campuses with chants of “Strike Tel Aviv” or “Al Qassim’s next targets” or “Gas the Jews” or “We are all Hamas” or “10/7 Again” or flashing Nazi salutes when Jews pass by or calling Jewish students “it” or calling synagogues “Zionist dens” or saying “Zionists have infested our camp” when Jewish students are passing by or cheering when Iran launched missiles at Israel or commenting “free Palestine” on the Auschwitz memorial Twitter page or making signs showing the Star of David in the trash or so on and so forth (there’s a lot of other examples) then I’m not so sure that it’s just a few bad actors rather it’s a plague spreading through the movement as a whole.
Nah you're the one with the obsession
Huh? Lol
Your obsession with Hamas mate, bit weird. Might wanna look into it.
Not sure what you’re after
*October 7 apologist
You know what's bad? A terrorist attack killing 800 civilians and taking 250 hostages. You know what's worse? The forced removal of 750,000 Palestinians in 1948, 50 years of colonial settlement and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank, imposition of a complete siege denying the necessities of life to 2 million people, and killing over 20,000 civilians since October 7.
You know what's even worse? Psuedohistorical bullshit that denies the fact that Jews are native to the Levant and Arab Muslims are violent imperial colonizers who showed up many centuries later.
Mizrahim are *a* native group in the Levant. Palestinians are as well. Palestinians are not transplants from the Hijaz, they are mostly locals who converted and began speaking Arabic. But even if they were, the early Arab conquests happened far too early to apply modern labels like "colonialism." There are migrations that have happened since that, being a fact of history, have to be taken as legitimate. Indigeneity is not a justification for ethnic cleansing.
Ok, so what term would you prefer then? "Violent conquest" seems appropriate.
Sure, but what's the significance of that? It's a single violent conquest 1300 years ago. The Arabs didn't even conquer it from the Jews, but from the Romans. Palestine had also been conquered by crusaders, Mongols and several waves of Turks. Why should any of that justify atrocities on the people who happened to live there? As I said, there are plenty of examples of invasions and migrations worldwide in the intervening 1300 years. They do not form a justification for ethnic cleansing *today*. One of those migrations that has to be accepted, for example, is the Jewish migration to what is now Israel. There is virtually no suggestion that Israelis should be expelled, only that they cannot settle *new* lands outside of Israel proper.
>One of those migrations that has to be accepted, for example, is the Jewish migration to what is now Israel. Weird how you say this and then frame Israeli self defense against an Islamist terrorist group who attacked them as "ethnic cleansing".
Israel's actions in the Gaza Strip have long since exceeded self-defence. Levelling of most civilian infrastructure and imposition of a siege go beyond self-defence and enter the realm of collective punishment. Sure, Hamas consciously blurs the line between civilian and military infrastructure, lessening its protection under international law, but Israel's actions still have to be governed by proportionality. It is still illegal to flatten a hybrid target where there isn't an overriding strategic advantage in doing so. It's also worth pointing out that what I called "ethnic cleansing" is Israel's actions *in the West Bank*. That has nothing to do with Hamas, whose reach is mostly limited to the Gaza Strip. Even if Hamas was in the West Bank, however, it would not be "self-defence" to settle foreign (i.e., from Israel, not Palestine) populations and forcibly remove the native population.
Aren’t Arabs also native to the Levant?
No, Arabs are native to Arabia.
What about Palestinians? Are they not native to the Levant?
Yes, and that's why they a state in the Levant. It's called Jordan.
Isn’t Jordan Arabic?
Lol Lmao
Me when I get my history education from the University of Reddit. If you're going to be blatantly racist at least be funny about it, maybe ask for that in the new hasbara update
Which part of my statement are you disputing? That Jews are native to the Levant, or that Muslims are violent conquerors who showed up many centuries later?
Get your attention somewhere else
I notice that you didn't answer the question.
I'm not taking the bait bud, arguing with racists is below me. I'm sure you have nothing better to do but I don't waste my time convincing people out of their bigotry. I'm sure you'll find some white hooded folk somewhere who will enjoy conversing with you far more than I. Hope you heal
Ah yes, "bigotry" is when you acknowledge the historical fact that Jews are native to the Levant while Muslims are conquerors who showed up many centuries later.
Smartest p*lestinian supporter
1- palestenians were also native 2- just because you are native to a land / your god seas you should live in it doesn't justify commiting genocide and war crimes to achieve it
look at the DNA subreddits, palestinian DNA is native to the levant.
Remember the Dinosaur genocide of 30000000 bc when Turks send a meteorite through space
zionists and holocaust deniers are the only ones who can match these turks("it didn't happen, but they deserved it").
I don't think many Zionists deny the Nakba though, and "zionists" is a very broad term based on a simple idea for an ideolegy of zionism, I am not excusing any crimes commited by the state of Israel, but I honesty can't see how the 2 are even close, 1 is about an ongoing conflict between 2 warring nations, and the other is about the biggest genocide in history that killed over 10 million people based on ethnicity, sexual orientation, disabilities, religion, and so forth, and there is thousands upon thousands of pictures, videos, testimonies, sadly slowly decaying amount of first hand accounts from witnesses and much more
in israel, they openly deny the nakba, and then say, that they are giving palestinians nakba **2.0** in gaza. see speeches of their ministers. foreign zionists mostly copy israeli propaganda. and yes zionist is a broad term, and does not automatically mean nakba denial, but i am speaking about what most zionists believe. just like how the name national socialism does not mean anything(it is a stupid meaningless name), but it is perfectly fine to say that national socialists hate jews(they say the "holocaust didn't happen, but joos are sub human, and deserved it")
I don't deny the Nakba, hell many Israelis are even taught about the Nakba within their history classes and that's a fact (although the world itself is never mentioned) so I doubt most would deny it apart from maybe the most most radical which probably don't deny it but sadly celebrate it, and again I don't support people and shits saying "lets do nakba 2" but both sides are saying bullshit like that, per example, palestinians celebrating and saying they will do the 7th of october a thousand more times, both are wrong, neither side is right. How do you know what most zionists belive ? like really I wanna know, there are millions of zionists in the world, some none jewish, alot probably are jewish too, coming from many backgrounds in ethnic, economic, and other such sense, you can't compile 1 broad term ideolegy into 1 and say they all thing the same, that just doesn't work, it's like I'd say anyone who wants to free palestine and everyone who wants a ceasefire support terrorism, but there is fecking millions upon millions, each one thinks different, radicals, moderates, and other such exist in every single possible group. but Nazism arguibly is a defined ideolegy, we have countless records and definitions set out and laid out by Nazis themselves on what their ideoelgy consists of, in zionism the main consistency is the right for a Jewish state to exist, in Nazism there are multiple, most probably include death to certain minorites and the idea of white supremacy, so I think there is a difference
this is a fairly good comment. thanks for being polite and articulate.
holy shit, never expected a good and civil comment, it's kinda tiring at some points when people just yell at eachother and try and mock eachother more after each comment, thanks for taking my response politley and accepting different views, based as fuck
I don't know, it's been over a decade but the truth is not changing. Diaspora is just using it as a propaganda.
You know their ancestors killed so many Armenians and new generations won't even acknowledge that. They did all that for nothing.
Israelis when you turn on CNN
Oh yes, the whining Armenians again. Anyway, we shouldn't take it too seriously. Let them deceive themselves.
A lotm of turks were also killed in that genocide it was turks killing other turks and aremnians