I don't care about depreciation. If I'm buying a car it's mine permanently. I'm not selling unless I absolutely have to, and that's a very rare circumstance.
I just bought a 334,000 mile 07 elantra off of IAA yesterday for $400 (plus taxes and fees) that car has no resale value of any kind except that it beats walking, but it's part of my collection now. It's never leaving.
This is why I could never sell cars or guns. I'm great at helping family members figure out what car is best for them, but getting rid of one is difficult if not impossible.
I can tell you first hand that those records don't tell you the full story. For example, if it's been in an accident and they chose to fix it themselves without involving insurance. If a part breaks and they replace it themselves. If they're the type to change their own oil but consistently use the wrong oil. Worse is when they do take it to a shop and the shop uses the wrong oil consistently.
Or things like my last Ford. The 10R80 had a badly designed part; CDF Drum. Mine had slipped/failed. Ford refused to fix it under warranty. Reset tcm memory etc etc. I got tired of the horrible shifting. Fluid was very black at 26k miles.
Got a good trade in value and what did they do? A fluid change on the trans to try and mask the issue. Even bragged about it on the website as a pre-sale thing they did.
What did it also have? Detailed maintenance records. Correct oil, changed at 50% on the oil life monitor, etc. All loaded to the app so the second owner could see what was done.
So.. doesn't always tell the story like you said. 6 months after I traded it a TSB came out to confirm the bad shifting was the drum. I hope whoever got the truck had some sort of extended warranty to get a new trans as that one was failing.
Also; I have a CPO in the driveway. Got it really low miles with all records coming from the dealer that sold it. Why was it traded. The previous owner took the Sedona golfing and someone took out the windshield. They drove it to the dealer to trade on a Telluride. I showed up the day it made it to the main lot after getting its other maintenance and the new windshield. Four and a half years later, that Sedona has been great. So; sometimes it works out :D
I still prefer new - more so with the horrific interest rates right now. I got luck Hyundai has a sale on Tuscon non-hybrids via their financing.
Awesome story! A buddy of mine had the Ford Fiesta with the dual clutch issues. Ford would never fix it and time had lapsed to file a lemon law claim. By the time they finally issued a recall he had paid the car off and took it straight to the crusher. Even paid them $100 to be the one to press the button. He vowed to never buy a Ford again. He's got a Toyota Tacoma now and loves it.
I change my own oil and I can enter it into CARFAX, but say I wanted to lie and say I changed the oil every 20k miles but said I changed it every 5k miles š¤
Yeah not too difficult to do. But if checking records someone like us and many others would realize that is a possiblilty. Thats why buying used should be done with somebody who knows what to look for.
Oh cool, I didn't know you could do this. My previous car of mine I did pretty much all the oil changes myself, sold it to Carmax. I placed the maintenance record in the glove box, but dealerships usually just throw those out; so, CARFAX doesn't check receipts or anything? I never put too much weight into CARFAX anyhow.
Carfax usually has records of everytime a car was serviced at the dealership. If you buy a used car in which the carfax has regular service records in it, you usually will be ok.
I own 2 hyundais with over 300,000 miles. An 07 santa fe with 310,000 and an 07 elantra with 334,700 miles on it. They will last you forever if you can be bothered to take care of them.
Every single person I know thatās owned a Hyundai had to get a new engine put in their car under the warranty. Never knew anyone with another brand that had to do that.
I never said you were. Mine were made in 2007. I know how to properly take care of a car albeit one is a 2 owner, and the first owner beat on it about as hard as I've ever seen.
Yeah recalls happen, you don't see people calling toyota unreliable for their V6 turbo engines encountering the same problem. Things happen when mistakes are made in manufacturing.
I saw a post just like this. Dudes engine caught on fire, blamed the car and then said that there was a recall that he didnāt know about and he still blamed the car. People canāt understand that they are dumb.
Oh, did you do them with us? If so, all of our records are digitized, we can look it up.
Oh, you didn't? Do you have records for your oil changes? Most places can give you all of your records by looking at your license plate or vehicle VIN or your phone number.
Oh, you can't get those? Well, they're required, sorry.
I laugh at how people donāt hold onto their records from shops. Everything Iāve ever had done on my vehicle I hold onto the invoices and receipts for when I eventually move on from this car
When I stopped doing my oil changes at dealer I found the oil change place would post the info to CARFAX for me which Hyundai also can look at so no problem there.
Changed th oil in mine the engine blew up and before it did I had to add oil to it every thousand miles. Now I have to be without a car for 5 months because it takes 2 months to even get an appointment and 3 months to fix because they have so many they have to do. The dealership said they are doing multiples a month so fuck hyundai. I only have 70k miles over 6 years and 3 months after I paid it off the engine blew like clockwork.
i watched a hyundai sonata blow the engine in front of me on the highway the other day. blue smoke just started pouring out the exhaust and it sounded like it was backfiring and it just lost power and started coasting. obviously dont know how it was maintained but fuck i felt so bad for the guy
Anecdotal but on my commute to work today there were 4 cars left on the side of the highway and literally all four were early GDI Hyundai and Kia models
Hyundai - being a cheaper upfront cost, probably attracts people with little ability to maintain vehiclesā¦ maybe money is tight or whatever and then with poor maintenance, the vehicles break down more often
Just a guess
Wow thatās insane! I could imagine them being mad when the warranty wonāt be honored for lack of maintenance. I wonder if they thought they could break it and get another engine. I have some idiot friends who think that way.
Eh thereās plenty of Toyota and Honda engines out there that go 60k without oil changes. Certainly not recommended but if youāre going to do that, probably shouldnāt do it in a Hyundai or Kia.
GDI engines force the gasoline into the pistons at high pressure, some of the gas gets into the oil through ring blowby. The maker recommends 8,000 mile changes when this type of engine, 3,000 is pushing it.
There is a Youtube video of a Nerdy type that sent is Kia oil off for analysis and concluded that 3,000 is actually considered pushing it a little. Some day cold weather is worse for sludge buildup in GDI engines.
I drive my Elantra N 3k miles over the course of like a month, that's way too much money to pay a dealership... It's like an extra $150/month... I'm sticking to 5k.
Legally, they can't do that. What they can do is deny warranty if whatever happened was a result of YOU screwing up. They have given people headaches if their engine ended up like this and they had no service records or receipts that would show they did their own changes, but manufacturers are not allowed to void your warranty simply for you changing your own oil.
It's really only a concern with bad PCV/EGR/AOS design. There are very clean GDI running engines like BMW N55 and later, Honda K20C1, etc. I've seen many GDI engines torn down and they don't look much different than port injected engines other than the intake valves in those models without dual injection. Your link is totally valid and correct but it's more talking about the soot held in suspension which causes abrasive wear to the timing chain etc. Not gross sludge from a bad PCV system or lack of maintenance.
I have a 2022 and it's multi port. Port and direct injection in my 2022. Hyundai calls it "smart stream"
It's the best of both worlds. I can get 45mph cruising at 60 mph and I don't have to worry about gdi issues since it's got a port and direct injector
Done in What sense? You can't fix stupid š¤£
People just need to take care of their shit.
Warranty sure as hell wont cover this
And most of the Advisors aren't Car savvy here
So they dont really understand the importance of seeing the vehicle's history.
This is what some of us go through š¤£š
I kinda didn't want to touch it anymore....
Knocking is coming from cylinder 2 and 3
Chain rattles
And it has DTC's for Both CVVT sprokets and Cam sensors, Low Oil Pressure and Misfire in cyl 2 and 3
And this car burns oil; I have a ā19 Accent SEL and Iām going MAXIMUM like 4k between changes, with at least one top-off between. Imagine going 65k. Good lord.
Wow, just wow. Can certainly understand hyundais position on this one. Curious of your take on how they treated their engine recall ordeal. Seems like if you did not have every "professional" service record, it was rough navigating
Originally, they covered EVERYTHING. Had a lady flat admit to no oil change for 26,000 miles, knocked at 34k. Covered. Rod knock at 170,000, third ownerā¦covered. Had a guy used to buy them 6-7 at a time from all over the country with blown engines, bring them to us for the warranty engines. Hyundai would offer a cash settlement or an engine, he always got the engine. Then heād flip them at a little car lot. Made a damn fortune. Had people get an engine and then no oil change for 12-20k. Came back knocking, no problem sir, hereās your free engine. Hyundai got tired of the shit and started getting super strict. And thatās why we now see people with legit claims getting denied.
This irks me. I take care of my car but my brother in law did my last oil change and Iāve worried ever since that if my engine dies Iām not going to be able to prove Iāve been maintaining the car because of that one instance where it will look like I went over the recommended miles because I donāt have a stupid jiffy lube receipt.
Car runs great at 140k but maybe Iāll just go to a shop tomorrow and change the oil early.
Usually if itās just one or two times, and if you have receipts for oil and filter, youāll be fine. The worst part is thereās some dealers that do everything they can to help you out, and some that just donāt want to do them.
Your proof is your receipt for the oil and filter. You can self report the oil change on CARFAX with a photo of the receipt and Hyundai can access that.
Yikes. I have a 2021 Venue with similar mileage and it's basically the same car. Can't imagine my car dying that quickly when all it needs is oil changes and other small stuff here and there.
My car has had about 4 oil changes in 53k miles and runs sweet and looks sqweeky clean inside, so I don't believe the whole 3-5k stuff. Just make sure it's done once a year. Change the pcv thingy and your good.
1.6 gdi non turbo in the uk
the sad part this owner is probably on the the thread, saying Hyundai makes such cheap throwaway cars. "I had all my maintenance up to date and still got sludge".
I work at a Ford dealership as a tech and someone bought a brand new 2023 F-150 5.0 and drove it 20k+ and brought it in for a sound coming from the motor, they never changed the oil and I was shocked it lasted that long, but they ended up with a new motor lol
No wonder Hyundai has such a bad reputation. Granted, let's be honest, some of it is self inflicted... but a company can only engineer around bad maintenance habits to a point. Looks like someone was drilling for oil and found the engine in the ground!
THIS is stupid. An oil change is an expense that isnāt out of reach for the majority of people, even though service centers are outrageous for them now. Other recommendations on maintenance some people canāt afford at the intervals specified. Dealer wanted me to do a complete intake removal and cleaning for $300 at only 15k miles. Not everyone can afford to schedule an oil change and be upsold āregular maintenanceā that they tell you nothing about until the time you need it.
Ok, how are the things with 2023 and 2024 sonata hybrid limited (I believe they have the same engine and stuff) and elantra gas limited? Have you seen any problem with those? I am trying to buy 2024 sonata hybrid limited, but saw many engine failure posts and some other problems before, so trying to get some insider info on this. What's your honest opinion on it?
Im 100% convinced most cars can go on for 15-20 years without issues as long as you gollow service protocol.
The reason old cars break down are people are lazy bums and dont want to lift even a finger to make their car last.
So is the shit talking on Hyundai unwarranted? Is it consistently bad maintained vehicles over years that give it a bad wrap? Currently considering one
I think itās both. H/K certainly made some shitty engines over the years. But they also sell cheap cars that people without much money buy and then donāt maintain.
Some people literally think you donāt need maintenance like itās an option. Or they are dumb enough to think that when you buy a car itās just supposed to go without anything but a tank fill up for the life of the car.
These Hyundai Accents and the 1.6L engines they use are surprisingly long lasting and can take quite a beating from what Iāve seen. Provided they rolled out of the dealership with no manufacturing problems
2018/19 Models come 1.6l
2020/22 Models come 1.8l same engine as the Venue
Edit: i am Big Dumb apprentice technician
YES all of them are 1.6l
Im just an Idiot
Yāall are ignorant as hell. I bought my car used, sure. Have no clue how the previous owner treated it. Engine blew up on me. Come to find out hyndai made a shit engine. There was a class action lawsuit. They had to extend everyoneās warrantees and replace the engines. And they still donāt have a fix for the problem. Just a new sensor so youāll get a notification before it blows up. How about all the cars getting recalled becuase theyāre unsafe from catching fire?
Give that customer an award. The fact that this engine ran 65k and is (was) still going is worth some recognition
That's such a pity, to treat a machine that way. If you can't reach a dealer or afford a dealer, take it to an oil change shop. Or do it yourself. Or ask a friend. But there's really no good excuse for it.
It's not a requirement to service it at a dealership. These engines are also shit and the PCV system is bad and they sludge themselves quickly and look like they haven't been maintained, when in fact the issue is the PCV is doing this. Perhaps this engine did receive zero changes, but other marques with cheap owners don't see issues with nearly the frequency of H/K.
I change my PCV every ~25k now, same car. Once I realized itās an $11 part that takes 5 minutes to replace myself, I was sold. Iāll replace that shit once a year. Topping off oil and frequent PCV replacements should keep her running for quite some time.
Don't think anyone knows yet. I personally just refuse to take the risk. Chances are it's better. The entire industry has improved since better simulation software has taken over.
Reasons I like buying new vs used... even with the depreciation hit. Holy crap that is nasty.
Zackly. Good thing this person didn't sell it CarMax or something for some poor bastard to buy.
I don't care about depreciation. If I'm buying a car it's mine permanently. I'm not selling unless I absolutely have to, and that's a very rare circumstance. I just bought a 334,000 mile 07 elantra off of IAA yesterday for $400 (plus taxes and fees) that car has no resale value of any kind except that it beats walking, but it's part of my collection now. It's never leaving.
I feel the same way with guns, I keep all of them, forever
This is why I could never sell cars or guns. I'm great at helping family members figure out what car is best for them, but getting rid of one is difficult if not impossible.
The car may not leave but the engine will.
Perhaps one day I'll have to get it remanufactured, but if I keep up on my 300,000 mile overhauls I suspect I can keep those same engines going.
How many things sit in your front yard on cinder blocks?
So far none.
There are records for cars. Buying used is a valid option when the owner isn't ignorant about how things work like maintaining a vehicle.
I can tell you first hand that those records don't tell you the full story. For example, if it's been in an accident and they chose to fix it themselves without involving insurance. If a part breaks and they replace it themselves. If they're the type to change their own oil but consistently use the wrong oil. Worse is when they do take it to a shop and the shop uses the wrong oil consistently.
Or things like my last Ford. The 10R80 had a badly designed part; CDF Drum. Mine had slipped/failed. Ford refused to fix it under warranty. Reset tcm memory etc etc. I got tired of the horrible shifting. Fluid was very black at 26k miles. Got a good trade in value and what did they do? A fluid change on the trans to try and mask the issue. Even bragged about it on the website as a pre-sale thing they did. What did it also have? Detailed maintenance records. Correct oil, changed at 50% on the oil life monitor, etc. All loaded to the app so the second owner could see what was done. So.. doesn't always tell the story like you said. 6 months after I traded it a TSB came out to confirm the bad shifting was the drum. I hope whoever got the truck had some sort of extended warranty to get a new trans as that one was failing. Also; I have a CPO in the driveway. Got it really low miles with all records coming from the dealer that sold it. Why was it traded. The previous owner took the Sedona golfing and someone took out the windshield. They drove it to the dealer to trade on a Telluride. I showed up the day it made it to the main lot after getting its other maintenance and the new windshield. Four and a half years later, that Sedona has been great. So; sometimes it works out :D I still prefer new - more so with the horrific interest rates right now. I got luck Hyundai has a sale on Tuscon non-hybrids via their financing.
Awesome story! A buddy of mine had the Ford Fiesta with the dual clutch issues. Ford would never fix it and time had lapsed to file a lemon law claim. By the time they finally issued a recall he had paid the car off and took it straight to the crusher. Even paid them $100 to be the one to press the button. He vowed to never buy a Ford again. He's got a Toyota Tacoma now and loves it.
I change my own oil and I can enter it into CARFAX, but say I wanted to lie and say I changed the oil every 20k miles but said I changed it every 5k miles š¤
Yeah not too difficult to do. But if checking records someone like us and many others would realize that is a possiblilty. Thats why buying used should be done with somebody who knows what to look for.
The person who doesnāt maintain their vehicle well is not going to go above and beyond to put it into CARFAX under the guise that they did it well.
Oh cool, I didn't know you could do this. My previous car of mine I did pretty much all the oil changes myself, sold it to Carmax. I placed the maintenance record in the glove box, but dealerships usually just throw those out; so, CARFAX doesn't check receipts or anything? I never put too much weight into CARFAX anyhow.
CARFAX does not require any proof that the oil change was performed by the owner.
Carfax usually has records of everytime a car was serviced at the dealership. If you buy a used car in which the carfax has regular service records in it, you usually will be ok.
Carfax has been incorrect more than once.
You seriously would not trust a carfax record that an oil change was performed?
Nope. The first thing I do when purchasing a used car from a private seller is get the oil changed.
OK, but you don't care if they were ever done before you bought the car?
I do, but I don't take anyone's word for it.
They are the first ones to call Hyundai and want a new engine.
And then they and their friends crap on them for being unreliable.
Exactly
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED Now we got corporate up our asses
They are always up there
Well, true.. Not being warrantied tho
āI have corporate so far up my ass I can taste bearing grease.ā
If I was HYUNDAI, I would laugh at their warranty request and kick them out the door!!! CHANGE YOUR DAMN OIL PEOPLE!!!
Some people just dont care.
Until their engine quits and Hyundai denies them. Then they come on here and holler "HYUNDAI's Are junk! Don't buy them!"
Yeah. People are stupid sometimes.
\*most of the time
I own 2 hyundais with over 300,000 miles. An 07 santa fe with 310,000 and an 07 elantra with 334,700 miles on it. They will last you forever if you can be bothered to take care of them.
That probably had the 2.0 beta engine which was excellent.
Every single person I know thatās owned a Hyundai had to get a new engine put in their car under the warranty. Never knew anyone with another brand that had to do that.
Well nice to meet you. My engines are both numbers matching.
Iām not lying. Not sure how yours made it.
I never said you were. Mine were made in 2007. I know how to properly take care of a car albeit one is a 2 owner, and the first owner beat on it about as hard as I've ever seen.
My 2010 Hyundai engine is just fine with 145,000 miles on it. I maintain it though, oil changes, carbon cleaning etc.
Thousands of well maintained kia/hyundais that have engines that just up and die doesn't help.
Yeah recalls happen, you don't see people calling toyota unreliable for their V6 turbo engines encountering the same problem. Things happen when mistakes are made in manufacturing.
The beta engine was top of the line 2.0, 6 cylinder
I saw a post just like this. Dudes engine caught on fire, blamed the car and then said that there was a recall that he didnāt know about and he still blamed the car. People canāt understand that they are dumb.
Did they admit that they fucked off with oil changes?
What do you think? š¤£
Oh, did you do them with us? If so, all of our records are digitized, we can look it up. Oh, you didn't? Do you have records for your oil changes? Most places can give you all of your records by looking at your license plate or vehicle VIN or your phone number. Oh, you can't get those? Well, they're required, sorry.
I laugh at how people donāt hold onto their records from shops. Everything Iāve ever had done on my vehicle I hold onto the invoices and receipts for when I eventually move on from this car
And if you sell it, it tells someone everything you did while you had it, and that you routinely kept it up. It's not rocket surgery.
When I stopped doing my oil changes at dealer I found the oil change place would post the info to CARFAX for me which Hyundai also can look at so no problem there.
Changed th oil in mine the engine blew up and before it did I had to add oil to it every thousand miles. Now I have to be without a car for 5 months because it takes 2 months to even get an appointment and 3 months to fix because they have so many they have to do. The dealership said they are doing multiples a month so fuck hyundai. I only have 70k miles over 6 years and 3 months after I paid it off the engine blew like clockwork.
i watched a hyundai sonata blow the engine in front of me on the highway the other day. blue smoke just started pouring out the exhaust and it sounded like it was backfiring and it just lost power and started coasting. obviously dont know how it was maintained but fuck i felt so bad for the guy
Anecdotal but on my commute to work today there were 4 cars left on the side of the highway and literally all four were early GDI Hyundai and Kia models
Owner will be on this sub tomorrow talking about Hyundai is crap and how the dealership screwed them over.
Exactly lmao.
Canāt imagine what those pistons look like
Prolly like shit..
Something tells me youāre correct
Another Hyundai off to Valhalla too soon š«”
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Hyundai - being a cheaper upfront cost, probably attracts people with little ability to maintain vehiclesā¦ maybe money is tight or whatever and then with poor maintenance, the vehicles break down more often Just a guess
This is Usually what happens, Especially here in PR
LMFAO
Yikes! What happened in here? Did the wife try to pour water in?
No Maintenance for 60k+ miles
They went 60k without an oil change? Thatās actually pretty impressive that it lasted that long.
So it was still running? Why was it brought in? I am genuinely curious what would make these people finally take it in for maintenance.
Brought in for slight Knock when running Owner remembered he had 10years/100k warranty And just brought it here running and Said Here... fix it
Wow thatās insane! I could imagine them being mad when the warranty wonāt be honored for lack of maintenance. I wonder if they thought they could break it and get another engine. I have some idiot friends who think that way.
My guess is it died and they got it towed to the nearest dealership.
They didn't pull the head for routine maintenance. This motor failed and was in for diagnosis is my guess.
Correct
'the wife' š¤”
Shit how didnāt it explode š
Surprisingly no... Slight Knock
Hyundais are amazing for surviving that terrible owner
Eh thereās plenty of Toyota and Honda engines out there that go 60k without oil changes. Certainly not recommended but if youāre going to do that, probably shouldnāt do it in a Hyundai or Kia.
So Toyota and Honda is superior?
Their engines are generally better, yes. Toyota interiors will probably last longer but theyāre boring as hell and uncomfortable imo.
So Hyundai got the tech and Toyota got the engineā¦hmmm maybe they should merge and crate ToyoDai
Is it a gdi engine.
Has nothing to do with GDI. This is either no maintenance or bad PCV/AOS.
Yeah , but what a g d I it happens faster.
Not true. Intake valves are the only thing that gets dirtier faster on a GDI engine.
Does it matter?
GDI engines force the gasoline into the pistons at high pressure, some of the gas gets into the oil through ring blowby. The maker recommends 8,000 mile changes when this type of engine, 3,000 is pushing it.
They all laugh at me when I take my Elantra N for 3k maintenance... It's literally the only thing that keeps your engine running well.
2013 veloster w built block same deal here I oil change every 3k and always use higher octane fuel.
Ya we have sunoco "94" so I just use that or the mobil 93
There is a Youtube video of a Nerdy type that sent is Kia oil off for analysis and concluded that 3,000 is actually considered pushing it a little. Some day cold weather is worse for sludge buildup in GDI engines.
I drive my Elantra N 3k miles over the course of like a month, that's way too much money to pay a dealership... It's like an extra $150/month... I'm sticking to 5k.
I drive a similar amount and do my oil changes myself every 3k miles. Costs about $35.
Yeah but Hyundai will void the warranty if you do your own oil changes.
They can't do that if you provide receipts and proof.
They already have done that, it's just the way Hyundai treats us.
Legally, they can't.
Legally, they can't do that. What they can do is deny warranty if whatever happened was a result of YOU screwing up. They have given people headaches if their engine ended up like this and they had no service records or receipts that would show they did their own changes, but manufacturers are not allowed to void your warranty simply for you changing your own oil.
Ok
Gasoline is a solvent. It doesn't sludge up engines, if anything they would look unnaturally clean.
I know. It seems counter-intuitive, doesn't it?
[https://360.lubrizol.com/2015/GDI-Soot-A-New-Challenge](https://360.lubrizol.com/2015/GDI-Soot-A-New-Challenge)
It's really only a concern with bad PCV/EGR/AOS design. There are very clean GDI running engines like BMW N55 and later, Honda K20C1, etc. I've seen many GDI engines torn down and they don't look much different than port injected engines other than the intake valves in those models without dual injection. Your link is totally valid and correct but it's more talking about the soot held in suspension which causes abrasive wear to the timing chain etc. Not gross sludge from a bad PCV system or lack of maintenance.
No, most of the gdI engines, That's one of the main things you'll see. When people don't do their oil changes and deal with the carbon buildup.
The carbon build up is mostly on the valves and piston rings. That is an oil issue
Yes, true, but when the piston rings are Warren out, that stuff is going all over the engine.
I have seen the same results in non gdi engines. If you don't change your oil sludge will build up. Gdi may speed that up but not the main reason
True.
I have a 2022 and it's multi port. Port and direct injection in my 2022. Hyundai calls it "smart stream" It's the best of both worlds. I can get 45mph cruising at 60 mph and I don't have to worry about gdi issues since it's got a port and direct injector
It does look like the new hyundai are better. I personally like the gdi v6 engine the 2.4 it's too much of a worry.
Serviced regularly at the Iffy lube located at the La Brea tar pits.
Dumb question, but can that engine be saved, or is it done??
I just saw the injectors it's not.
Dam, that is bad.
We should leave this up as a reminder for everyone to change their oil.
Really, they recommend eight thousand miles. And in months. I wonder what it is.
We the techs recommend 5k intervals for severe use.... I.E every single car on the road
What would you have done? Had you seen this.
Done in What sense? You can't fix stupid š¤£ People just need to take care of their shit. Warranty sure as hell wont cover this And most of the Advisors aren't Car savvy here So they dont really understand the importance of seeing the vehicle's history. This is what some of us go through š¤£š
Oh I mean once you open it and saw it.
I kinda didn't want to touch it anymore.... Knocking is coming from cylinder 2 and 3 Chain rattles And it has DTC's for Both CVVT sprokets and Cam sensors, Low Oil Pressure and Misfire in cyl 2 and 3
For the 2.4 or the 1.6t? The manual says not to change plugs until 120k which seems kinda long
My 2016 was having misfires at 110k. Took it in and it was just the plugs. 120 seems excessive. Though other brands recommend the same.
And this car burns oil; I have a ā19 Accent SEL and Iām going MAXIMUM like 4k between changes, with at least one top-off between. Imagine going 65k. Good lord.
Not 8,000 miles for "severe" (aka everyone) driving.
Wow, just wow. Can certainly understand hyundais position on this one. Curious of your take on how they treated their engine recall ordeal. Seems like if you did not have every "professional" service record, it was rough navigating
Originally, they covered EVERYTHING. Had a lady flat admit to no oil change for 26,000 miles, knocked at 34k. Covered. Rod knock at 170,000, third ownerā¦covered. Had a guy used to buy them 6-7 at a time from all over the country with blown engines, bring them to us for the warranty engines. Hyundai would offer a cash settlement or an engine, he always got the engine. Then heād flip them at a little car lot. Made a damn fortune. Had people get an engine and then no oil change for 12-20k. Came back knocking, no problem sir, hereās your free engine. Hyundai got tired of the shit and started getting super strict. And thatās why we now see people with legit claims getting denied.
This irks me. I take care of my car but my brother in law did my last oil change and Iāve worried ever since that if my engine dies Iām not going to be able to prove Iāve been maintaining the car because of that one instance where it will look like I went over the recommended miles because I donāt have a stupid jiffy lube receipt. Car runs great at 140k but maybe Iāll just go to a shop tomorrow and change the oil early.
Usually if itās just one or two times, and if you have receipts for oil and filter, youāll be fine. The worst part is thereās some dealers that do everything they can to help you out, and some that just donāt want to do them.
Your proof is your receipt for the oil and filter. You can self report the oil change on CARFAX with a photo of the receipt and Hyundai can access that.
What model is it?
2020 Accent Limited
Yikes. I have a 2021 Venue with similar mileage and it's basically the same car. Can't imagine my car dying that quickly when all it needs is oil changes and other small stuff here and there.
Hit it with a pressure washer
And then they cry Huyndai/kia not reliable
My car has had about 4 oil changes in 53k miles and runs sweet and looks sqweeky clean inside, so I don't believe the whole 3-5k stuff. Just make sure it's done once a year. Change the pcv thingy and your good. 1.6 gdi non turbo in the uk
the sad part this owner is probably on the the thread, saying Hyundai makes such cheap throwaway cars. "I had all my maintenance up to date and still got sludge".
I work at a Ford dealership as a tech and someone bought a brand new 2023 F-150 5.0 and drove it 20k+ and brought it in for a sound coming from the motor, they never changed the oil and I was shocked it lasted that long, but they ended up with a new motor lol
Did they have to pay for it?
No wonder Hyundai has such a bad reputation. Granted, let's be honest, some of it is self inflicted... but a company can only engineer around bad maintenance habits to a point. Looks like someone was drilling for oil and found the engine in the ground!
THIS is stupid. An oil change is an expense that isnāt out of reach for the majority of people, even though service centers are outrageous for them now. Other recommendations on maintenance some people canāt afford at the intervals specified. Dealer wanted me to do a complete intake removal and cleaning for $300 at only 15k miles. Not everyone can afford to schedule an oil change and be upsold āregular maintenanceā that they tell you nothing about until the time you need it.
I see they used the fudge additive to the crank case.
Just curious, are you a dealership mechanic or an independent one?
Dealer Tech
Ok, how are the things with 2023 and 2024 sonata hybrid limited (I believe they have the same engine and stuff) and elantra gas limited? Have you seen any problem with those? I am trying to buy 2024 sonata hybrid limited, but saw many engine failure posts and some other problems before, so trying to get some insider info on this. What's your honest opinion on it?
Buy it and change the oil every 4000 miles. You'll be good.
Most women drivers I met in my life are like this, no service, air, water, oil just drive till it breaks and wonder whyā¦
60k and no oil changes is that correct?
Toyota calls that āgel.ā
Im 100% convinced most cars can go on for 15-20 years without issues as long as you gollow service protocol. The reason old cars break down are people are lazy bums and dont want to lift even a finger to make their car last.
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What the shitā¦? I am very surprised that it lasted 68,000 miles without an oil change that long.
How long till the Hyundais are crap and my engine blew before it even made it to 100k post.
Are there chain oil places to avoid?
I changed my oil at the dealership every 5000k and the bearings still went on my 2016 Tucson's engine at 115,000km.
You donāt need maintenance if youāve replaced your oil with Nutella 
Affordable car syndrome.
Wow they saved much money on oil changes tho ššš. Just change the engine every 70k miles
pa still probably approved engine replacement
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Aah, the ol' chocolate pudding runner.
Smh
So is the shit talking on Hyundai unwarranted? Is it consistently bad maintained vehicles over years that give it a bad wrap? Currently considering one
I think itās both. H/K certainly made some shitty engines over the years. But they also sell cheap cars that people without much money buy and then donāt maintain.
Itās the Altima effect. A few examples donāt really make up for the demonstrable QC and longevity fails tho.
Some people literally think you donāt need maintenance like itās an option. Or they are dumb enough to think that when you buy a car itās just supposed to go without anything but a tank fill up for the life of the car.
Is that some sort of commercial grade pudding machine?
More like chocolate mousse
Hyundai such bad cars /s
These Hyundai Accents and the 1.6L engines they use are surprisingly long lasting and can take quite a beating from what Iāve seen. Provided they rolled out of the dealership with no manufacturing problems
This one is 1.8
Huh? I was under the impression that the accent only had the 1.6L engine in North America. Unless youāre in a different country
2018/19 Models come 1.6l 2020/22 Models come 1.8l same engine as the Venue Edit: i am Big Dumb apprentice technician YES all of them are 1.6l Im just an Idiot
Yāall are ignorant as hell. I bought my car used, sure. Have no clue how the previous owner treated it. Engine blew up on me. Come to find out hyndai made a shit engine. There was a class action lawsuit. They had to extend everyoneās warrantees and replace the engines. And they still donāt have a fix for the problem. Just a new sensor so youāll get a notification before it blows up. How about all the cars getting recalled becuase theyāre unsafe from catching fire?
Give that customer an award. The fact that this engine ran 65k and is (was) still going is worth some recognition 
Shame, the accents are actually really nice cars
Strange call to put chocolate pudding in the engine.
CPO the only way to go for used. Might want to try that new valvoline restore and protect oil.
This is why we need to transition to EVs. Slow ones.
That looks like a monkey threw poop at it.
That's such a pity, to treat a machine that way. If you can't reach a dealer or afford a dealer, take it to an oil change shop. Or do it yourself. Or ask a friend. But there's really no good excuse for it.
We have 2017 Tucson and Sonataā¦ are we in trouble?
Isn't that the new Hyundai feature? After so many miles your engine makes fudge. It's a thank you for buying the vehicle.
Makes no sense to me to spend thousands on anything and completely disregard it.
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Why would you open that?!?
Came in for *slight* knock
I get mine done early, alot of people dont care about their vehicles they just get another one, i hope my engine looks better on the inside
Holy please engine flush that thang
Genuine question, what happens next here? Is the motor totaled? Do you hit it with a pressure washer? Lots of carb clean? A shop towel?
It's not a requirement to service it at a dealership. These engines are also shit and the PCV system is bad and they sludge themselves quickly and look like they haven't been maintained, when in fact the issue is the PCV is doing this. Perhaps this engine did receive zero changes, but other marques with cheap owners don't see issues with nearly the frequency of H/K.
I change my PCV every ~25k now, same car. Once I realized itās an $11 part that takes 5 minutes to replace myself, I was sold. Iāll replace that shit once a year. Topping off oil and frequent PCV replacements should keep her running for quite some time.
I highly recommend doing this PCV systems in newer cars are designed to kill the car so you are forced to by another one... Just my hot take
Is this an issue with the Smartstream engines? They're fairly new so I don't know if there's any longer term issues known yet.
Don't think anyone knows yet. I personally just refuse to take the risk. Chances are it's better. The entire industry has improved since better simulation software has taken over.