I think the point is that the "camp of men" had bear spray and money and she'll need to have sex with them in exchange for money and bear spray. Pretty wild post!
Lmao, as if every woman has $0 and needs a man to give her the money 🙄 If I wanted bear spray, I’d buy it with my own $50. If I couldn’t find somewhere to buy the bear spray, I’d just keep on hiking.
My favorites are the large amount of comments where some people don't seem to understand what the scenario is really about and get hung up on actually trying to fight a bear.
I also love that in these posts, the woman is always necessarily attractive and young. He says "woman," but I doubt his "experiment" would seem coherent even to him if the woman was a wheelchair-bound grandma in her sixties!
Exactly. As a woman who definitely doesn't fit the image, I always laugh a little when I read these, because I can't help but picture myself in the scenario. I would go to the male campout and politely ask for help, and people would think, "Oh gee, someone's mom is lost in the woods! We better help her out." No one would think about sex at all.
I don’t think that’s it.
It’s a reply to a trend where women say they’d feel safer alone with a bear than with a human male.
I think the point is that she’d rather be with the men.
Me too, but I have to admit that I sort of like it. LinkedIn is so fake, it’s like that Black Mirror episode where everyone’s friendly to each other because of the rating system. For the time being I think it’s really funny when I come across someone really unhinged like this guy.
Ok so I read this a bunch of times and so far I think... He initially didn't have the bear spray thing but then thought leaving a woman alone in a forest with bears was a bad idea to post about but I just giving them a bear spray would make it too easy (he thinks bear sprays are a complete anti bear thing, foolproof) so basically this turned into "would you rather spend $50 on a self defense item and wander the forest or walk to the men's encampment and take a chance there"?
He’s missing the point. Blaming the woman for the reality that these (likely straight) men would use whatever they can as leverage to get sex with her. If it was a camp of women, they would more likely try to help her no strings attached.
My first reading was the same as TomahawkDrop's: the $50 bear spray and dropping her in the woods with nothing means she'll have to make existential choices about nature and value. It's an inverse of the all-men-are-rapists premise: let's see how dangerous men are when women have nothing of value but need safety - what do they have to offer in exchange for their safety?
It's dumb for the same reason the original thought exercise is dumb: the starting point of each thought experiment is bad-faith gender stereotyping. Like, sure, if you start a thought experiment from the premise that all men are rapists \*and\* that bears are indifferent to people, then sure, men come out looking pretty bad. But both of those assumptions are faulty - clearly not all men etc, and bears are territorial and hangry and unpredictably antagonized like any other wild animal. The thought experiment does not hold up well to scrutiny-of-premise.
“All men are rapists” is a weird hill for you to defend, and it’s not even the intent of the original thought exercise. No reason to go to the “all men” strawman. It’s a camp of men. 20 men in that camp? A decent chance she’s getting **gang** raped, there are probably at least two rapists in that group. 10 men in that camp, better than 50% chance she’s getting raped.
In fact, this becomes a thought exercise worth exploring. How few men need to be in the camp before the woman can expect not to be raped. The math says 8 or fewer men gets her under 50%. Would you go to a bar or concert where you had a 10% chance of being raped? Probably not, right? So with **just two guys in the camp**, the odds are either 8.6% or 12%, based on different studies.
I’d pick the bear, too.
>It’s a camp of men. 20 men in that camp? A decent chance she’s getting **gang** raped, there are probably at least two rapists in that group. 10 men in that camp, better than 50% chance she’s getting raped.
>The math says 8 or fewer men gets her under 50%.
Really bad maths may say that, but any actual scrutiny of those figures and they won't hold up.
If you are going to run the numbers then you should probably take into account the fact that 80% of all sexual assaults/rapes are committed by a spouse, partner, friend or family member of the victim.
You're actually way safer statistically with complete strangers.
Then consider that 90% of all cases involve a single perpetrator and you're exponentially safer the more of these strangers are present.
None of this is to downplay the threat of violence to women.
The real concerning fact is that by the numbers you're much safer going to the camp of strangers than you are of going home to your partner.
I literally just found this out from a friend yesterday. Most people do pay $50 ish at the drugstore. Also I guess in order to get this deal you’d need a Costco membership haha
It's like it was generated by an AI. Just jumble it all up. "Okay there's a bear, give the bear a woman and tell it to take $50 into the woods, but men are there too so which woods do you choose?"
How bout this one: "It is a period of civil war. Bear spaceships, striking from a hidden woods, have won their first victory against the evil Menpire."
Dear professional colleagues,
Just letting you know that I would like to force a hypothetical woman into the woods and abandon her without any resources in order for her to realize she should have said yes to me on Tinder when I asked her out after DMing her “hey” 19 times in the span of 3 days without a reciprocal reply and telling her she had nice tits. And that sex slavery is better than being mauled to death which really should have been an easy choice. Anyway, #opentowork
Well. What kind of bears? Bears are usually chill as long as you don't mess with the cubs. And what kind of men? I mean...are they men at a camp? Or a bunch of campy men? Details matter. (But yes this is nuts)
Plot twist
The bears are big hairy gay dudes
And the men are actually mannequins
In which case I take the bears because mannequins scare the shit out of me ever since Silent Hill
Mannequins were ruined by horror for me, too.
(Looks at Silent Hill.)
It was cathartic fighting them in Devil May Cry, though. Dante made me feel safe.
I mean, I saw a bear when I was hiking and I was terrified, but it just kept walking and left me alone. (I was especially worried because I was probably the least in shape of our hiking group, so if it came to running…) Can’t say the same was true for men at campsites.
This was my thing you aren’t in good shape but odds are neither is the man most Americans are morbidly obese. The bear will for sure be in better shape unless you are a marathon runner you are fucked if it decides it wants you. It will catch you even if you run.
Right, yeah well I’ve been face-to-face with bears too often and I’ve never felt a sense of chill in those moments. (But yes, I agree with your message)
I was between and momma grizly and her cub randomly on a trail once in tetons. I moved from between them and was chill about the situtation… worked fine.
They are a band of merry men. However, due to global deforestation they have to keep what they steal and branch out their marketing program to include knockoff bear spray.
Bad guys never think they’re bad. In fact they think the people they hurt deserved it. I’m a guy and I will always pick the damn bear because you can’t trust anyone lmfao
since i heard this question i've leaned towards the man being the bnetter answer but my god these responses i've seen from butthurt men give me a fucking headache.
the amount of responses where even i have to say "this is why women prefer the bear" is legit staggering to me. and i didn't have high expectations.
He's been convicted of 3 sexual assaults and a violent attack in 2008. And that's just what I found with a quick google. It's in Finnish but here's the link:
https://www.ksml.fi/paikalliset/2843218
The link keeps getting "old" or something although the page itself has not been taken down. But the news article in the link mentions him being a candidate in the Finnish parliamentary election for a fringe party in 2011, and the conviction came to public then, and he withdrew from the race. I checked his election promo picture and it's the same guy as in the OOP picture here.
A secluded camp of ALL men, hanging out in the woods, away from prying eyes... Actually in this case the woman might be safe to choose the man camp but that is probably due to the number of safety-bears.🏳️🌈
*only her, the men, and the bears*
Where’s my $50?
Where’s the fucking bear spray store? Is there a bear spray dealer marked on said map? Do I pay before I go?
How do I get out?
Is the exit marked?
Will there be food?
Who is going?
What’s the forecast?
I’m bear spraying everyone.
The best take on the main vs bear thing I saw today.
A woman asked her husband would you rather have or daughter appointed in the woods with a man or a bear?
First thing he asked was what kind of man. Told her doesn't get to pick. His mind was going summersaults and he eventually said, you guessed it, bear.
It always sickens me to think it's taught as "what if this is your daughter/sister/mother" in scenarios to force some kind of empathy. Relying on tribalism to engender empathy tells me enough about them to gauge their personality because if you had to use that argument then it's always an in vs out group. Not humanity, but straight out only the "right" people, so that gives you a good clue as to how they actually behave and think.
The best litmus test to gauge others with is watching their behavior to those who they owe nothing to, or have power over. Do they treat people with courtesy, or only some? How do they treat pets/animals? It's a little complex sometimes but it can be that easy to see through people's behavior.
Many have no empathy built in. You are right this is a lousy way to hand to get through to people.
So many who are offended by the bear choice, don't think of women as people at all.
I'd be more concerned with what type of bear.
Black bears are harmless and I'd probably take the bear just because they're cute I enjoy running into them from the right distance.
I've been alone in the woods with random people and random black bears, the people just say "hi" and we go our separate ways, the bears don't exchange pleasantries but they just leave you alone too.
I'll definitely take a random guy over a random grizzly or polar bear though.
“This should be a practical experiment:
Take a man into a forest where there are wolves and a camp of lesbians, but tell him that wolf spray costs his dignity. Then leave this man completely alone without a map where the lesbian camp music is within earshot. No mobile phone, no social media, no friends. Only him, the wolves, and the lesbians.”
“Put a woman in a situation made up by a man where we took all her power away and are hoarding all the resources and see how she acts.” Oh, so, every day life for women?
I’ve done plenty of hiking in bear country and have never actually seen one. Brown bears don’t want to interact with humans unless they are starving to death.
If I were alone in the woods I would definitely avoid a campsite full of men. But what do I know? I’ve been raped and had my arm broken by a former boyfriend.
What is the point of the bear spray being $50? Most women have their own money and are not dependent on a man for $50. I wouldn’t be deterred by the cost of the spray, nor would I run to Man Camp for help if I didn’t have somewhere to *buy* the bear spray.
Believe it or not, some of us are already comfortable hiking in bear country, so this isn’t the big dilemma they think it is.
That's really what boggles me.
I'm a woman that camps alone fairly frequently, often in bear country. There's reasonable things I do to protect myself from bears! No food at camp, no scented products, use a bear box, make noise when I hike, bring bear spray if I'm really worried, and so on.
While yes, bear attacks can happen, in general I can rely on the fact that the bear will act like a bear. They're not malicious, they don't have a deliberate motive to harm me, they're just an animal that needs to eat and protect itself. And if I'm truly terrified of a bear attack, I can reduce my risk to 0 by not going in bear country!
I can't really do that with men. I started camping solo at 25 and I have always been more wary of strange men near my campsite. That's not a dig on "all men," I'm married to an amazing man, I had two "brides-dudes" in my wedding, and my dad and brother are awesome people who I love and respect. But I can't predict the behavior of men like I can with a bear, and there's no "reasonable" precautions if someone really wants to harm me.
I will say I've met a lot of really cool people while camping, a lot of them men! I truly believe the vast majority of people don't mean any harm and are there to enjoy nature like me. But when I'm in my tent by myself at night, I'm not listening for the bears.
The $50 part is just fucking weird though. Is there an REI in the woods as well? Can I use my discount card?
>That's not a dig on "all men," I'm married to an amazing man, I had two "brides-dudes" in my wedding, and my dad and brother are awesome people who I love and respect.
Unfortunately the reality is that it's those men you've listed who are statistically *far* more likely to be a danger to you than some stranger.
There's a lot of people in this thread parroting statistics about violence against women being the reason they don't want to encounter strange men while hiking.
While I understand that completely and I don't want to play down the threat of violence against women at all - not many seem to be reading further to where it says that over 80 percent of the time the men committing that violence are partners/spouses, friends or family members of the victim.
The sad and genuinely scary thing is that you're actually much safer statistically with the strangers wandering around outdoors than you are when you go home with your husband after camping.
What's crazy is this is not a new idea in the world. Some men are just now hearing about a portion of most women's long standing decision tree about their safety.
Wouldn't most guys in a "camp of men" invite someone in who's lost in the forest, regardless of their gender? (as long as they're not wearing a Michael Myers mask and carrying a bloody chainsaw)
The post: [https://www.linkedin.com/posts/sal-naseem\_werisebyliftingeachother-activity-7192171178646487040-V-B6](https://www.linkedin.com/posts/sal-naseem_werisebyliftingeachother-activity-7192171178646487040-V-B6?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_android)
I read through the post and some of the comments and still have no clue why it is on LinkedIn. Someone needs to relate it to a real business situation, however tenuous.
It’s been a talking point for years. I remember this being a college humor video like a decade ago.
Basically just replace any rape statistic with “bear attack” and it invalidates any argument downplaying the seriousness of the crime.
“Bears will be bears”? “Come on guys, only 1 outta 5 of us will get eaten by a bear!” It’s just using ridiculous, satirical arguments to highlight how stupid and disingenuous bad faith arguments against rape/SA are
Firstly… What the fuck is any of this supposed to mean?
And secondly, LinkedIn doesn’t have low character limits. If you’re going to try to make some dumbass, incoherent point, at least have the decency to make sure you use proper grammar and spelling.
Lots of assumptions here. First, that any woman would willingly go into a forest with this idiot. Second, that she doesn't have any money of her own. Third, that she has no idea how to defend herself.
Also: assuming she does get $50, where the f\*ck is she getting bear spray from? Is there a Circle K somewhere in the woods? If so, she could enter the store to get away from the bear. Once the bear sees and smells all the food in the store, he'll go for the hot dogs and cheese nachos and forget about the woman.
Finally...in an ultimate act of desperation...if there is a c-store in the woods, what's stopping her from running in, stealing the bear spray, and running out? She can head to the Man Camp--where the guys are probably hanging out, grilling something, drinking beer, and telling lies. The bear approaches the camp, which is now basically a target rich environment for food and general mayhem. And the half-drunk yahoos probably aren't going to move quite as quickly or cleanly as that one motivated woman with a stolen can of bear spray.
Dude who posted this clearly knows nothing about women. /smh
I can read a map and land navigate so I’m taking option 3, finding my own way out, avoiding the man camp completely while watching for bears. There is an excellent chance the bears won’t bother me.
Ain’t no way I’d be heading towards a camp full of men in the woods, fuck that. Bears usually don’t bother anyone if it’s not baby season/hungry season. I don’t understand why so many dudes are still finding ways to twist this shit.
I feel like if I didn't have and couldn't afford the $50 bear spray I'd avoid the secluded all men camp even more, cus I already live in bear country and used to live in grizzly country and every bear I've come across so far either ignores me or runs off with a bit of shouting at most. I do always hike with bear spray but I haven't actually had to use it on any bears yet. Meanwhile I also have ptsd and it sure wasn't the bears who gave me that
At first I thought the women were being silly choosing the bear but men’s response has been so silly. Why are they inventing scenarios?
The part they dont grasp is, a bear’s gonna bear. A bear will hunt you bc it’s hungry. But a man… you dont know what sick shit he’s up to. Even their responses are hypotheticals that make no sense. Serial killers, once theyre caught have said that women camping are one of the groups they go for. But that’s not the only fear. An assault of any kind or just taking your stuff is also on the table and you dont know. And if you have a weapon, you can shoot the bear. But you cant just shoot the man. Bur by the time the threat is there, it’s too late.
This man is openly fantasising imaginary scenarios where women are harmed, in a business networking website, and wonders why women want nothing to do with him
This person hasn’t met enough people. I know many women who would think of this is an adventure and enjoy it. And they certainly would not care about 50$ or anything outside of their own objectives. When we only see the world through our lens and forget that other folks have bigger glasses. We become limited.
Oooh, allow me to write a story!
*Instantly pepper sprays the dude, takes his bear spray, and phone*
*Uses him as bear bait*
*Calls the police "some creepy dude tried to feed me to the bear haha. He has several accomplishes"*
*Hands everyone over to the police*
This is idiotic, but I don't see the point of the $50 in the story.
I think the point is that the "camp of men" had bear spray and money and she'll need to have sex with them in exchange for money and bear spray. Pretty wild post!
Lmao, as if every woman has $0 and needs a man to give her the money 🙄 If I wanted bear spray, I’d buy it with my own $50. If I couldn’t find somewhere to buy the bear spray, I’d just keep on hiking.
My favorite comment about this whole thing is when someone was like “Men, this is a hypothetical scenario and you *still* cant take no for an answer”
My favorites are the large amount of comments where some people don't seem to understand what the scenario is really about and get hung up on actually trying to fight a bear.
Fr, people act like we said “attacked by a bear vs a man nearby”
I also love that in these posts, the woman is always necessarily attractive and young. He says "woman," but I doubt his "experiment" would seem coherent even to him if the woman was a wheelchair-bound grandma in her sixties!
Those aren’t women to him, women are things he wants to have sex with
Exactly. As a woman who definitely doesn't fit the image, I always laugh a little when I read these, because I can't help but picture myself in the scenario. I would go to the male campout and politely ask for help, and people would think, "Oh gee, someone's mom is lost in the woods! We better help her out." No one would think about sex at all.
I’d also feel like I need the bear spray the most for protection from the men
Should be very effective
I guess $50 is a lot for that guy lmfao. He’s a bum
You'd still be safer knowing where the men were. The random chance of running into a bear is still exponentially safer.
Ok this is worse than I thought it was
Typical mindset of an incel
I don’t think that’s it. It’s a reply to a trend where women say they’d feel safer alone with a bear than with a human male. I think the point is that she’d rather be with the men.
context is everything. but still, why is the bear spray $50?
I have no idea, the guy who made the post is an idiot lol
And on LinkedIn to boot. He’s ticked off around half of the audience. I hope his business suffers as a result.
Me too, but I have to admit that I sort of like it. LinkedIn is so fake, it’s like that Black Mirror episode where everyone’s friendly to each other because of the rating system. For the time being I think it’s really funny when I come across someone really unhinged like this guy.
I mean linkedIn is only really for business professionals so all he's really doing is showing corporations he's a misogynist
it is NOT "safer alone with a bear". it is "you are hiking alone in the woods. would you prefer to encounter a bear or a man you don't know?"
Ok so I read this a bunch of times and so far I think... He initially didn't have the bear spray thing but then thought leaving a woman alone in a forest with bears was a bad idea to post about but I just giving them a bear spray would make it too easy (he thinks bear sprays are a complete anti bear thing, foolproof) so basically this turned into "would you rather spend $50 on a self defense item and wander the forest or walk to the men's encampment and take a chance there"?
No, he's absolutely implying she'd have sex to get the $50
He’s missing the point. Blaming the woman for the reality that these (likely straight) men would use whatever they can as leverage to get sex with her. If it was a camp of women, they would more likely try to help her no strings attached.
Thank you, I was definitely missing this context lol
But she doesn't even know where the man camp is
And what has the price of the bear spray have to do with anything
My first reading was the same as TomahawkDrop's: the $50 bear spray and dropping her in the woods with nothing means she'll have to make existential choices about nature and value. It's an inverse of the all-men-are-rapists premise: let's see how dangerous men are when women have nothing of value but need safety - what do they have to offer in exchange for their safety? It's dumb for the same reason the original thought exercise is dumb: the starting point of each thought experiment is bad-faith gender stereotyping. Like, sure, if you start a thought experiment from the premise that all men are rapists \*and\* that bears are indifferent to people, then sure, men come out looking pretty bad. But both of those assumptions are faulty - clearly not all men etc, and bears are territorial and hangry and unpredictably antagonized like any other wild animal. The thought experiment does not hold up well to scrutiny-of-premise.
And exactly how do I know which man is a rapist?
“All men are rapists” is a weird hill for you to defend, and it’s not even the intent of the original thought exercise. No reason to go to the “all men” strawman. It’s a camp of men. 20 men in that camp? A decent chance she’s getting **gang** raped, there are probably at least two rapists in that group. 10 men in that camp, better than 50% chance she’s getting raped. In fact, this becomes a thought exercise worth exploring. How few men need to be in the camp before the woman can expect not to be raped. The math says 8 or fewer men gets her under 50%. Would you go to a bar or concert where you had a 10% chance of being raped? Probably not, right? So with **just two guys in the camp**, the odds are either 8.6% or 12%, based on different studies. I’d pick the bear, too.
>It’s a camp of men. 20 men in that camp? A decent chance she’s getting **gang** raped, there are probably at least two rapists in that group. 10 men in that camp, better than 50% chance she’s getting raped. >The math says 8 or fewer men gets her under 50%. Really bad maths may say that, but any actual scrutiny of those figures and they won't hold up. If you are going to run the numbers then you should probably take into account the fact that 80% of all sexual assaults/rapes are committed by a spouse, partner, friend or family member of the victim. You're actually way safer statistically with complete strangers. Then consider that 90% of all cases involve a single perpetrator and you're exponentially safer the more of these strangers are present. None of this is to downplay the threat of violence to women. The real concerning fact is that by the numbers you're much safer going to the camp of strangers than you are of going home to your partner.
What? No...surely it can't be that insane
Because plan B is $50 bucks? Who knows.
Can confirm with taxes it's roughly that
PSA about Plan B: Walgreens has a way cheaper generic version behind the pharmacy counter. It was like $12 last time I bought it, back in 2022.
2nd PSA!! You can get it at Costco for $4!!!
What?! I swear if you’re talking about a coat hanger lol
Starting to think I was fleeced with a venmo request
I literally just found this out from a friend yesterday. Most people do pay $50 ish at the drugstore. Also I guess in order to get this deal you’d need a Costco membership haha
Costco pharmacy can be accessed by non Members :)
I read the follow up post (my eyes) - he was trying to make some convoluted point about opportunistic rape?
It's like it was generated by an AI. Just jumble it all up. "Okay there's a bear, give the bear a woman and tell it to take $50 into the woods, but men are there too so which woods do you choose?" How bout this one: "It is a period of civil war. Bear spaceships, striking from a hidden woods, have won their first victory against the evil Menpire."
In the scenario this guy came up with, I would take my chances with the bears and I am a man.
I'm not great with riddles but is the answer is he's unfuckable?
I thought you said you're NOT great with riddles
There is absolutely no reason this debate is even something that should be had on LinkedIn 🙃
Anywhere. But especially on LinkedIn
And you want to be my Business Development Specialist?
Dear professional colleagues, Just letting you know that I would like to force a hypothetical woman into the woods and abandon her without any resources in order for her to realize she should have said yes to me on Tinder when I asked her out after DMing her “hey” 19 times in the span of 3 days without a reciprocal reply and telling her she had nice tits. And that sex slavery is better than being mauled to death which really should have been an easy choice. Anyway, #opentowork
#hustleandgrind
Well. What kind of bears? Bears are usually chill as long as you don't mess with the cubs. And what kind of men? I mean...are they men at a camp? Or a bunch of campy men? Details matter. (But yes this is nuts)
Plot twist The bears are big hairy gay dudes And the men are actually mannequins In which case I take the bears because mannequins scare the shit out of me ever since Silent Hill
Mennequins*
No one ever expects the Mennonite mannequin.
So I would just take the bears to the camp of men. Then I can have the forest to myself.
There is nowhere safer for a woman than a camp of gay daddy bears.
This.
Honestly when this first came up I really thought they meant bear as in a big gay dude I didn’t think they meant actual bear lol 😂
You probably shouldn't watch Maniac with Elijah Wood. The mannequins themselves aren't scary, just... https://m.imdb.com/title/tt2103217/
Mannequins were ruined by horror for me, too. (Looks at Silent Hill.) It was cathartic fighting them in Devil May Cry, though. Dante made me feel safe.
I mean, I saw a bear when I was hiking and I was terrified, but it just kept walking and left me alone. (I was especially worried because I was probably the least in shape of our hiking group, so if it came to running…) Can’t say the same was true for men at campsites.
This was my thing you aren’t in good shape but odds are neither is the man most Americans are morbidly obese. The bear will for sure be in better shape unless you are a marathon runner you are fucked if it decides it wants you. It will catch you even if you run.
I just meant there were three of us. I was the slowest. 😂
Right, yeah well I’ve been face-to-face with bears too often and I’ve never felt a sense of chill in those moments. (But yes, I agree with your message)
You are correct. I didn't want to kill joke by getting into "every situation is unique"
Bears are scary as shit
I was between and momma grizly and her cub randomly on a trail once in tetons. I moved from between them and was chill about the situtation… worked fine.
Are they a band of merry men robbing from the rich to give to the poor?
They are a band of merry men. However, due to global deforestation they have to keep what they steal and branch out their marketing program to include knockoff bear spray.
Does he realized he's the type of man that makes women choose the bear? He's the problem
They never do. Carly Simon had it right in the 70s, lol. It's not about you... unless it is.
Bad guys never think they’re bad. In fact they think the people they hurt deserved it. I’m a guy and I will always pick the damn bear because you can’t trust anyone lmfao
No, he’s a “Business Development Specialist “.
Im a large man and I’d prefer the bear too. Yogi might eat me, but at least he won’t bore me with this dumb fucking question.
since i heard this question i've leaned towards the man being the bnetter answer but my god these responses i've seen from butthurt men give me a fucking headache. the amount of responses where even i have to say "this is why women prefer the bear" is legit staggering to me. and i didn't have high expectations.
Watch out for this dudes business development opportunities.
He's been convicted of 3 sexual assaults and a violent attack in 2008. And that's just what I found with a quick google. It's in Finnish but here's the link: https://www.ksml.fi/paikalliset/2843218
That’s the least shocking, shocking news I’ve read today.
We need to put this comment right at the top, thanks for the info.
The link keeps getting "old" or something although the page itself has not been taken down. But the news article in the link mentions him being a candidate in the Finnish parliamentary election for a fringe party in 2011, and the conviction came to public then, and he withdrew from the race. I checked his election promo picture and it's the same guy as in the OOP picture here.
A secluded camp of ALL men, hanging out in the woods, away from prying eyes... Actually in this case the woman might be safe to choose the man camp but that is probably due to the number of safety-bears.🏳️🌈
You can hang out with all the boys
It's fun to stay at the YMCA!
*only her, the men, and the bears* Where’s my $50? Where’s the fucking bear spray store? Is there a bear spray dealer marked on said map? Do I pay before I go? How do I get out? Is the exit marked? Will there be food? Who is going? What’s the forecast? I’m bear spraying everyone.
Lmao the last line is gold
😂😂 I figure by the time I get there I’m already annoyed and everybody is getting some lol
The best take on the main vs bear thing I saw today. A woman asked her husband would you rather have or daughter appointed in the woods with a man or a bear? First thing he asked was what kind of man. Told her doesn't get to pick. His mind was going summersaults and he eventually said, you guessed it, bear.
All these "bitch asked for it" type of men have a very different perspective when their daughters enter the situation.
Kind of how the people who bitch about "the kids these days" somehow think their own kids are the exception.
The best I saw was "At least you'll be believed if you say you were attacked by a bear"
Or that the worst a bear world do is kill you
It always sickens me to think it's taught as "what if this is your daughter/sister/mother" in scenarios to force some kind of empathy. Relying on tribalism to engender empathy tells me enough about them to gauge their personality because if you had to use that argument then it's always an in vs out group. Not humanity, but straight out only the "right" people, so that gives you a good clue as to how they actually behave and think. The best litmus test to gauge others with is watching their behavior to those who they owe nothing to, or have power over. Do they treat people with courtesy, or only some? How do they treat pets/animals? It's a little complex sometimes but it can be that easy to see through people's behavior.
Many have no empathy built in. You are right this is a lousy way to hand to get through to people. So many who are offended by the bear choice, don't think of women as people at all.
I'd be more concerned with what type of bear. Black bears are harmless and I'd probably take the bear just because they're cute I enjoy running into them from the right distance. I've been alone in the woods with random people and random black bears, the people just say "hi" and we go our separate ways, the bears don't exchange pleasantries but they just leave you alone too. I'll definitely take a random guy over a random grizzly or polar bear though.
Excellent point, but if you don't get to pick what sort of man, you also can't pick the type of bear.
“This should be a practical experiment: Take a man into a forest where there are wolves and a camp of lesbians, but tell him that wolf spray costs his dignity. Then leave this man completely alone without a map where the lesbian camp music is within earshot. No mobile phone, no social media, no friends. Only him, the wolves, and the lesbians.”
It’s amazing that dudes will make up convoluted shit like this but can’t imagine a woman’s perspective.
“Put a woman in a situation made up by a man where we took all her power away and are hoarding all the resources and see how she acts.” Oh, so, every day life for women?
Make sure she's on her period too! /s
The bears can smell the menstruation.
I’d be more afraid of walking by a camp of men than crossing paths with a bear
I’ve done plenty of hiking in bear country and have never actually seen one. Brown bears don’t want to interact with humans unless they are starving to death. If I were alone in the woods I would definitely avoid a campsite full of men. But what do I know? I’ve been raped and had my arm broken by a former boyfriend.
RIGHT?!? Now we've upped it to a campsite of men??? Definitely send the bear.
I think women will chose the bear over Tumor….um, Tuomas.
Someone else found a link to a Finnish article stating he's been convicted of crimes against women in 2008
Putting something like that with his employer's name is a pretty bold move Cotton.
Tomas looks creepy, oh wait, he is.
What is the point of the bear spray being $50? Most women have their own money and are not dependent on a man for $50. I wouldn’t be deterred by the cost of the spray, nor would I run to Man Camp for help if I didn’t have somewhere to *buy* the bear spray. Believe it or not, some of us are already comfortable hiking in bear country, so this isn’t the big dilemma they think it is.
That's really what boggles me. I'm a woman that camps alone fairly frequently, often in bear country. There's reasonable things I do to protect myself from bears! No food at camp, no scented products, use a bear box, make noise when I hike, bring bear spray if I'm really worried, and so on. While yes, bear attacks can happen, in general I can rely on the fact that the bear will act like a bear. They're not malicious, they don't have a deliberate motive to harm me, they're just an animal that needs to eat and protect itself. And if I'm truly terrified of a bear attack, I can reduce my risk to 0 by not going in bear country! I can't really do that with men. I started camping solo at 25 and I have always been more wary of strange men near my campsite. That's not a dig on "all men," I'm married to an amazing man, I had two "brides-dudes" in my wedding, and my dad and brother are awesome people who I love and respect. But I can't predict the behavior of men like I can with a bear, and there's no "reasonable" precautions if someone really wants to harm me. I will say I've met a lot of really cool people while camping, a lot of them men! I truly believe the vast majority of people don't mean any harm and are there to enjoy nature like me. But when I'm in my tent by myself at night, I'm not listening for the bears. The $50 part is just fucking weird though. Is there an REI in the woods as well? Can I use my discount card?
>That's not a dig on "all men," I'm married to an amazing man, I had two "brides-dudes" in my wedding, and my dad and brother are awesome people who I love and respect. Unfortunately the reality is that it's those men you've listed who are statistically *far* more likely to be a danger to you than some stranger. There's a lot of people in this thread parroting statistics about violence against women being the reason they don't want to encounter strange men while hiking. While I understand that completely and I don't want to play down the threat of violence against women at all - not many seem to be reading further to where it says that over 80 percent of the time the men committing that violence are partners/spouses, friends or family members of the victim. The sad and genuinely scary thing is that you're actually much safer statistically with the strangers wandering around outdoors than you are when you go home with your husband after camping.
This has become unbearable.
So, buy the spray, use the map, take the camp using the bear spray? Got it.
I'm a bear, but I'm more into femboys.
This is creepy on so many levels.
I am thinking there's a chance that this scientific experiment would not get funded
As a man..I'm ashamed at how fragile and stupid other men are. The bear/man debate is bringing out the little guys in full force😂😂
What's crazy is this is not a new idea in the world. Some men are just now hearing about a portion of most women's long standing decision tree about their safety.
Wouldn't most guys in a "camp of men" invite someone in who's lost in the forest, regardless of their gender? (as long as they're not wearing a Michael Myers mask and carrying a bloody chainsaw)
With no rape in exchange? Not this guy, apparently.
It makes no sense because it’s a typo. He meant “beer” spray. Like when you violently shake a can of ice cold delicious beer before opening it.
I’d be grateful for the map; I’d know where to avoid. (Mainer who grew up rural; being alone in the woods doesn’t scare me.)
He looks like he gets out of breath walking to the kitchen and he wants to try to diminish an entire gender.
What’s the context? Is this person commenting on the post of a raging misandrist?
The post: [https://www.linkedin.com/posts/sal-naseem\_werisebyliftingeachother-activity-7192171178646487040-V-B6](https://www.linkedin.com/posts/sal-naseem_werisebyliftingeachother-activity-7192171178646487040-V-B6?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_android)
Oh man the rest of their comments are similarly unhinged
I read through the post and some of the comments and still have no clue why it is on LinkedIn. Someone needs to relate it to a real business situation, however tenuous.
I think if the man's only response to the accusation was to swat fish out of a stream and eat berries, his accuser would be believed.
It’s been a talking point for years. I remember this being a college humor video like a decade ago. Basically just replace any rape statistic with “bear attack” and it invalidates any argument downplaying the seriousness of the crime. “Bears will be bears”? “Come on guys, only 1 outta 5 of us will get eaten by a bear!” It’s just using ridiculous, satirical arguments to highlight how stupid and disingenuous bad faith arguments against rape/SA are
Important part of this theoretical experiment, is that it’s implied that a man (or men) have dropped her in this forest with nothing but a map.
I have $50, so….
It’s always the dip***ts who look like thumbs
Firstly… What the fuck is any of this supposed to mean? And secondly, LinkedIn doesn’t have low character limits. If you’re going to try to make some dumbass, incoherent point, at least have the decency to make sure you use proper grammar and spelling.
Lots of assumptions here. First, that any woman would willingly go into a forest with this idiot. Second, that she doesn't have any money of her own. Third, that she has no idea how to defend herself. Also: assuming she does get $50, where the f\*ck is she getting bear spray from? Is there a Circle K somewhere in the woods? If so, she could enter the store to get away from the bear. Once the bear sees and smells all the food in the store, he'll go for the hot dogs and cheese nachos and forget about the woman. Finally...in an ultimate act of desperation...if there is a c-store in the woods, what's stopping her from running in, stealing the bear spray, and running out? She can head to the Man Camp--where the guys are probably hanging out, grilling something, drinking beer, and telling lies. The bear approaches the camp, which is now basically a target rich environment for food and general mayhem. And the half-drunk yahoos probably aren't going to move quite as quickly or cleanly as that one motivated woman with a stolen can of bear spray. Dude who posted this clearly knows nothing about women. /smh
I'm so confused. What is the fkn point of that clowns tweet?
Omfg. Thanks for letting me know who not to hire or ever do business with asshole.
And yet he wonders why so many women (and a lot of men) would pick the bear.
Just buy the spray from the bears
Great, my countryman 🙄 why??
I can read a map and land navigate so I’m taking option 3, finding my own way out, avoiding the man camp completely while watching for bears. There is an excellent chance the bears won’t bother me.
Ain’t no way I’d be heading towards a camp full of men in the woods, fuck that. Bears usually don’t bother anyone if it’s not baby season/hungry season. I don’t understand why so many dudes are still finding ways to twist this shit.
Why are people like this
And guys like this wonder why they never get laid
Can I sneak up on the camp and steal their bear spray and other provisions when nobody is looking?
Bold of him to assume the woman can’t survive without those men 💀
I don’t know what he’s even saying, it’s nonsense.
This. This is why I choose bear. Bear wouldn’t do this shit to me
The bear thing has more than run its course at this point.
Oh look. Another man showing why women choose the fucking bear. These dudes get so butthurt about it. lmao
Nice of them to out themselves like that lol
I feel like if I didn't have and couldn't afford the $50 bear spray I'd avoid the secluded all men camp even more, cus I already live in bear country and used to live in grizzly country and every bear I've come across so far either ignores me or runs off with a bit of shouting at most. I do always hike with bear spray but I haven't actually had to use it on any bears yet. Meanwhile I also have ptsd and it sure wasn't the bears who gave me that
What the hell? Why make this happen?
Shewwww that whole profile is a trip
kill a bear, sell the hide/fur to men, earn money, buy bear spray. so ez.
DA BEARSS!
Anyone else get the feeling Tuomas’ romantic partners are, um, fictional?
This sounds like the start to a really cheesy gangbang porn from the 80s.
Just fyi, we get taught better english than this in Finland
Umm. What are they trying to say.
Omg, I have a mutual connection to this turd. Ewwww
This post was definitely written by someone that can’t get within 50’ of a woman without violating a restraining order.
I'd rather take my chances at trying to avoid a bear rather than stumble upon a "camp of men" for "help". Fucking dumbass
I think we’re missing the fact that she’s being kidnapped in this scenario and left alone with bears and some kind of neo Nazi militia camp
“Man camp” LOL
This is what happens when your parents don’t read to you from 1-9 and you grew up on a iPad
I’ll choose the bears, thanks.
Is it mean to say, ‘your face suits your intelligence?’
Men are completely proving the point women are trying to make with this thought experiment.
“If we completely change the premise of the hypothetical then that makes me right!”.
A bear wouldn't have written this
Man, these guys really hate and resent women. No wonder we avoid them.
At first I thought the women were being silly choosing the bear but men’s response has been so silly. Why are they inventing scenarios? The part they dont grasp is, a bear’s gonna bear. A bear will hunt you bc it’s hungry. But a man… you dont know what sick shit he’s up to. Even their responses are hypotheticals that make no sense. Serial killers, once theyre caught have said that women camping are one of the groups they go for. But that’s not the only fear. An assault of any kind or just taking your stuff is also on the table and you dont know. And if you have a weapon, you can shoot the bear. But you cant just shoot the man. Bur by the time the threat is there, it’s too late.
I have a gun
What’s she going to do with a map and no compass?
haha black bears rarely if ever bother humans
Tell me you're an incel without telling me you're an incel.
This man is openly fantasising imaginary scenarios where women are harmed, in a business networking website, and wonders why women want nothing to do with him
Phon
"how to get a woman defiled and left for grizzly murder?"
This person hasn’t met enough people. I know many women who would think of this is an adventure and enjoy it. And they certainly would not care about 50$ or anything outside of their own objectives. When we only see the world through our lens and forget that other folks have bigger glasses. We become limited.
 Discovery of social media
This actually seems quite impractical. This also makes no sense and I’m guessing tuomas is a fucking moron
How much XP is the bear worth vs the camp of men?
Crazy but honestly good TV
Woman leaves hot dogs around men’s camp and finds out what happens?
What… #😳😐🫥
I hope she rides a bear into the man camp and bear maces the men.
A tongue-in-cheek attempt to decipher the underlying meaning of the story, using humor to address its absurdity.
bro is using LinkedIn like it's 4chan
‘Not all men, but THIS one for sure”
Oooh, allow me to write a story! *Instantly pepper sprays the dude, takes his bear spray, and phone* *Uses him as bear bait* *Calls the police "some creepy dude tried to feed me to the bear haha. He has several accomplishes"* *Hands everyone over to the police*
honestly at this point dumb shit like this is why I LinkedIn. So much fail.
He has the physical appearance of his ideas
I don't even ... what's the experiment supposed to tell us?
we don't want the man camp anywhere near us. that is the point of the entire thing. lol