I believed it's called mechanical turk when this happens (when technology is really just a person), based on a chess playing automaton a long time ago that is believed to have been a hoax (like a person was inside playing chess instead of it being ai).
Amazon even has a service called mechanical turk where they did this, but for other businesses - like you could hire their Indian employees to do tasks that your computers couldn't handle.
Damn I'd forgotten about mTurk, I used to do random stuff for a few pennies on there as a broke student about 15 years ago. I don't know if it's still like it, but back then anyone could sign up and you could make $3-4 for 10 minute audio transcriptions
I did that and sometimes it would give me random test questions to see if I was actually paying attention or just clicking around.
One question was literally like ‘how would you rank your approval of genocide 1-10’
Not joking that was literally a question
[Cruise did the same thing](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/technology/cruise-general-motors-self-driving-cars.html) with its supposedly driverless cars. Instead of being fully AI each car has 1.5 humans monitoring it.
[Cory Doctorow had a great essay](https://locusmag.com/2023/12/commentary-cory-doctorow-what-kind-of-bubble-is-ai/) recently that went into how much of current AI tech is just smoke and mirrors, or exaggerations to hype up investors.
Holy shit i didn’t think i’d see Cory Doctorow. Little Brother was a fantastic book. I read it long before studying programming and I should definitely buy it again…
Yep, just bought it. Thanks for the reminder.
Minor correction: MTurk isn't their employees, it's more like a gig platform where anyone can sign up to be an mturker, and then others can hire those mturkers.
I'm pretty sure both those claims are the same. 70% of events being confirmed or denied by a human is just the humans training the AI. It also still means AI is all smoke and matrices until they can get rid of the human reviewers, which will probably be never.
I am far more angry about the fact they subcontracting in third world countries then the fact that the technology because it's all smoke and mirror to suppress the proletariat.
I think people don't realize just how big the global wealth gap is, this probably wouldn't cost Amazon that much money. It might unironically be cheaper
And India is one of the few places in the world with political stability, a somewhat educated labor force but also fairly poor
It's Americans fault that they allow Blackrock and the 1% to own all the housing. They are richest country but one where most of wealth is concentrated In hands of the few. Other countries home ownership is much higher (for example China has well above 80% home ownership).
Reminds me of BYD: when Japanese battery manufacturers shifted from NiCd to NiMH and Li-ion, BYD was founded to make NiCd, using more manual labour, in China. Unit cost was five or six times lower. https://wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_Company#History
You should put Political Stability in quote because the country, like many other, on the verge of collapse. Food insecurity, overpopulation, and the rise of fascism. We are one bad day from people taking the street and slaughtering minorities in mass.
Have you ever actually *been* to India or are you basing this off of what you've read in social media? Because no, India is nowhere near the "verge of collapse"
There’s an interview with Dan Olson, creator of the viral “Line Goes Up” video, where he actually talks about this. I’ll link it here [[Dan Olson Interview]](https://youtu.be/4aU-QkJfgGw?si=dTuW-zP3xLE9CsVu). I think he nailed it when he said in the near future that a lot of supposed AI innovations are probably going to turn out to be hollow rebrandings of existing technology mixed in with exploited labor in poorer countries (or as he says it, “Oops! it’s actually slavery.”)
This is true.
Most of the AI demos we've seen over the past couple years have actually lots of human input and the presenters call it a presentation of the "potential of AI".
AI is like power rangers- its the hot new thing. Most companies say they're using AI but they aren't, they're using basic algorithms and lots of human input.
An algorithm is a set of rule/process to follow.
An AI may be an algorithm but it has in complexity that is able to learn and complete task to a desired outcome without a specific process being provided/programmed into it.
>An algorithm is a step-by-step procedure for solving a problem or accomplishing a task. It's a set of instructions that can be executed by a computer or a person. On the other hand, AI (Artificial Intelligence) refers to the capability of machines to imitate intelligent human behavior, such as learning, reasoning, and problem-solving. While algorithms are a fundamental part of AI systems, AI encompasses a broader range of technologies and approaches, including machine learning, neural networks, and natural language processing, among others. Essentially, AI utilizes algorithms as building blocks to simulate human-like intelligence and perform tasks autonomously.
The way I think of it is the usual algorithms are something *written* by people, a really long like of "if this then that"
What we currently casually call AI and what people in the field often call Machine Learning is something *trained* by people. So you make a thing that can learn (in a sense) and then you give it a whole bunch of input, and in the end you get something that works most of the time, but since nobody wrote each individual part of it nobody knows exactly what it's doing
I'm not an expert so I might be wrong on details. I like this video for a basic explanation it https://youtu.be/R9OHn5ZF4Uo
[Danny Gonzalez](https://youtu.be/fSlAuweAhsA?t=10m26s) briefly talked about an "AI boyfriend simulator" in one of his "bad mobile games" videos. There was one instance where the supposed AI misspelled a word he had just used in the previous message, making him wonder if he was talking to a human.
I fully believe that many of those more niche "AI" apps are actually ran by low-wage workers somewhere. It's probably a lot cheaper than actually using a conversation AI.
It also kinda reminds me of that one hypothesis that one reason why the Roman Empire didn't industrialise was that human labour, in the form of slaves, was so cheap. As long as we can use what are functionally slaves in the Global South, why should we invest in expensive AI tech?
I swear we've gone through more than one cycle in downtown Toronto where there's a bunch of little robots on wheels trundling down sidewalks for a few months and they're in vogue, and then a minor scandal when it turns out they're not driven by AI but are actually Oops All Sweatshop Labourers and then fall out of vogue again
Yeah I remember signing up to answer questions for ChaCha when I was 16. I answered like 5 questions then realized I was making like 5 cents a question and quit.
They’ve actually invented time travel. Someone does the AI thing and then they run back time. That’s why it’s poorly-generated copyright infringement amalgams of other people’s work.
Yea this is the bigger reveal for me.
I'm hear more and more recently, like that medical subscription prime has for Americans and now there's grocery stores?
Amazon are just one of those cyberpunkesque mega corps which try to control every aspect of life.
I believed it's called mechanical turk when this happens (when technology is really just a person), based on a chess playing automaton a long time ago that is believed to have been a hoax (like a person was inside playing chess instead of it being ai). Amazon even has a service called mechanical turk where they did this, but for other businesses - like you could hire their Indian employees to do tasks that your computers couldn't handle.
Damn I'd forgotten about mTurk, I used to do random stuff for a few pennies on there as a broke student about 15 years ago. I don't know if it's still like it, but back then anyone could sign up and you could make $3-4 for 10 minute audio transcriptions
I did that and sometimes it would give me random test questions to see if I was actually paying attention or just clicking around. One question was literally like ‘how would you rank your approval of genocide 1-10’ Not joking that was literally a question
So what do they think if you say 2?
That's a very interesting response lmao
Genocide for thee, not for me.
A little genocide. As a treat.
Showed me a picture of an aid truck and asked if I wanted to fire No idea what that was about *Shrugs*
Well considering how you deal with thirst it's a valid question.
It would be ironic and hilarious if the turk in-charge of tests was also randomly clicking and a 10/10 on genocide goes through
"Of whom?"
[Cruise did the same thing](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/technology/cruise-general-motors-self-driving-cars.html) with its supposedly driverless cars. Instead of being fully AI each car has 1.5 humans monitoring it. [Cory Doctorow had a great essay](https://locusmag.com/2023/12/commentary-cory-doctorow-what-kind-of-bubble-is-ai/) recently that went into how much of current AI tech is just smoke and mirrors, or exaggerations to hype up investors.
I appreciate the links, was an insightful article
Holy shit i didn’t think i’d see Cory Doctorow. Little Brother was a fantastic book. I read it long before studying programming and I should definitely buy it again… Yep, just bought it. Thanks for the reminder.
You might already know this, but there’s actually two more books in that Little Brother series :)
Fuck off! Hell yeah. I just read the first one when they came to my school.
Minor correction: MTurk isn't their employees, it's more like a gig platform where anyone can sign up to be an mturker, and then others can hire those mturkers.
Neat.
Figured this was a joke tweet but it actually was 1000 Indians lol
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I'm pretty sure both those claims are the same. 70% of events being confirmed or denied by a human is just the humans training the AI. It also still means AI is all smoke and matrices until they can get rid of the human reviewers, which will probably be never.
I am far more angry about the fact they subcontracting in third world countries then the fact that the technology because it's all smoke and mirror to suppress the proletariat.
I think people don't realize just how big the global wealth gap is, this probably wouldn't cost Amazon that much money. It might unironically be cheaper And India is one of the few places in the world with political stability, a somewhat educated labor force but also fairly poor
People don't realize that living in a wealthy country and making an average wage puts you well into the top 90% globally.
Can the 90% afford to own a home?
It's Americans fault that they allow Blackrock and the 1% to own all the housing. They are richest country but one where most of wealth is concentrated In hands of the few. Other countries home ownership is much higher (for example China has well above 80% home ownership).
Reminds me of BYD: when Japanese battery manufacturers shifted from NiCd to NiMH and Li-ion, BYD was founded to make NiCd, using more manual labour, in China. Unit cost was five or six times lower. https://wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_Company#History
You should put Political Stability in quote because the country, like many other, on the verge of collapse. Food insecurity, overpopulation, and the rise of fascism. We are one bad day from people taking the street and slaughtering minorities in mass.
Have you ever actually *been* to India or are you basing this off of what you've read in social media? Because no, India is nowhere near the "verge of collapse"
Why would you question something on the internet? Look! Its even underlined. Thats how you know its true.
There is report that it's actually Kanyan that does the brunt of the work for OpenAI. Same with GM autopilot, it was supervised by human.
"April Fools was 2 days ag- wait wtf"
Who knew AI stood for Actually Indian?
Asian Intelligence ❓🤔😮
Afuckloadof Indians
It’s “All Indians”, always has been. Turns out technology is just Indians all the way down.
Oops! All Indians.
An office full of Indians furiously typing shitty papers for high schoolers on behalf of ChatGPT
AI = Alot (of) Indians. lmao Poor guys honestly, Indian's you guys deserve better.
We have ai at home. The ai at home…
When I was a kid I asked my buddy “do you have a server at your house?” He said “no I have 1,000 chinese kids in my basement, memorizing binary code”
Chat GPT makes so much more sense now...
Chat GPT actually stands for "Chat with Gupta, Patel or Thakur".
I would chat to Chirag Gupta
I would talk with wolf gupta
There’s an interview with Dan Olson, creator of the viral “Line Goes Up” video, where he actually talks about this. I’ll link it here [[Dan Olson Interview]](https://youtu.be/4aU-QkJfgGw?si=dTuW-zP3xLE9CsVu). I think he nailed it when he said in the near future that a lot of supposed AI innovations are probably going to turn out to be hollow rebrandings of existing technology mixed in with exploited labor in poorer countries (or as he says it, “Oops! it’s actually slavery.”)
Dang, this started as a joke, but I could definitely see that actually happening.
This is true. Most of the AI demos we've seen over the past couple years have actually lots of human input and the presenters call it a presentation of the "potential of AI". AI is like power rangers- its the hot new thing. Most companies say they're using AI but they aren't, they're using basic algorithms and lots of human input.
What’s the difference between an algorithm and an AI?
An algorithm is a set of rule/process to follow. An AI may be an algorithm but it has in complexity that is able to learn and complete task to a desired outcome without a specific process being provided/programmed into it.
AI is always an algorithm by definition. It's just a specific kind of algorithm that adjusts itself through training.
Machine learning
...is a subset of artificial intelligence algorithms
That makes sense, thanks.
Sounds like an answer from chatgpt
>An algorithm is a step-by-step procedure for solving a problem or accomplishing a task. It's a set of instructions that can be executed by a computer or a person. On the other hand, AI (Artificial Intelligence) refers to the capability of machines to imitate intelligent human behavior, such as learning, reasoning, and problem-solving. While algorithms are a fundamental part of AI systems, AI encompasses a broader range of technologies and approaches, including machine learning, neural networks, and natural language processing, among others. Essentially, AI utilizes algorithms as building blocks to simulate human-like intelligence and perform tasks autonomously.
The way I think of it is the usual algorithms are something *written* by people, a really long like of "if this then that" What we currently casually call AI and what people in the field often call Machine Learning is something *trained* by people. So you make a thing that can learn (in a sense) and then you give it a whole bunch of input, and in the end you get something that works most of the time, but since nobody wrote each individual part of it nobody knows exactly what it's doing I'm not an expert so I might be wrong on details. I like this video for a basic explanation it https://youtu.be/R9OHn5ZF4Uo
[Danny Gonzalez](https://youtu.be/fSlAuweAhsA?t=10m26s) briefly talked about an "AI boyfriend simulator" in one of his "bad mobile games" videos. There was one instance where the supposed AI misspelled a word he had just used in the previous message, making him wonder if he was talking to a human. I fully believe that many of those more niche "AI" apps are actually ran by low-wage workers somewhere. It's probably a lot cheaper than actually using a conversation AI. It also kinda reminds me of that one hypothesis that one reason why the Roman Empire didn't industrialise was that human labour, in the form of slaves, was so cheap. As long as we can use what are functionally slaves in the Global South, why should we invest in expensive AI tech?
I swear we've gone through more than one cycle in downtown Toronto where there's a bunch of little robots on wheels trundling down sidewalks for a few months and they're in vogue, and then a minor scandal when it turns out they're not driven by AI but are actually Oops All Sweatshop Labourers and then fall out of vogue again
[Relevant xkcd](https://xkcd.com/2173/)
Haha awesome. XKCD never disappoints.
Classic wizard of Oz technique when testing new concepts! Some web services started off the same way back in the early days
Yeah I remember signing up to answer questions for ChaCha when I was 16. I answered like 5 questions then realized I was making like 5 cents a question and quit.
They’ve actually invented time travel. Someone does the AI thing and then they run back time. That’s why it’s poorly-generated copyright infringement amalgams of other people’s work.
AI stands for Actually Indians
"just a bunch of Indian people" Doesn't that make it more insane, instead of "just" using ai?
10 years ago maybe. Nowadays not so much
Was I supposed to already know that Amazon had grocery stores?
Yea this is the bigger reveal for me. I'm hear more and more recently, like that medical subscription prime has for Americans and now there's grocery stores? Amazon are just one of those cyberpunkesque mega corps which try to control every aspect of life.
Computron comes to mind.
Why underline almost every word though?
No idea. I didn’t make this, I think it was from r/nottheonion.
Alexa is like 5000 of Indians.
I don't know, ChatGPT has never asked to see my bobs.
I am Amazon the great and powerful, pay no attention to the 1000 Indian dudes behind the curtain.
I lol’d.
This is what happens when the AI just doesn't work.
Who set it up though?
Let’s blame it on… I don’t know, Bill Gates?
AI = Actually Indian.
low stakes? have you SEEN what we've been getting up to with AI roleplays?
Wouldn't it have been cheaper and better to make an app that just lets customers scan barcodes and automatically pay as they shop?
we actually have already come close to that, i posit we support this new conspiracy-seeding effort by OP! xD
AI just stands for Actually it's Indians.
They probably reviewed footage that was flagged by an AI.
'All Indians'
AI actually means “An Indian” I’m replacing this in every headline now lol “An Indian learns to walk” good for him
Doesn’t AI stand for “Actual Indians”?
a lot of AI is actually built off of slave labor
AI: Actually Indians