Sebastian Kurz, is that you?
The last time I was hiking between Austria and Slovenia I have seen no fence, crossing the border 3 times, except one military location that is entirely inside the Austrian border
At least the border to Slovenia from Austria I’ve crossed had open fields on one side of the border control station (which was unmanned before 2015) and a forested hillside on the other.
This is a bullshit map. Most of the presumably fenced border in Austria is high Alpine territory. It’s not possible to build a fence, if you really tried to build on steep rocks it would be hilariously expensive and it’s tourist country, where hikers, skiers and mountaineers would be less than thrilled to have ugly fences. It’s just not true. It would also be pointless because in most of the red line you would have to be an experienced mountain climber to cross.
Yeah but there's customs on the Danish/German border as well and they're not in the map.
And by the wording, it sounds like physical actual physical borders.
The border follows the ridges of the mountains between the two countries. As is with most historical borders within mountain ranges. Only at certain passes its even possible to cross the border by car, or if you aren’t a serious mountain hiker. The mountains themselves are a natural barrier, however that doesn’t mean that the border is fenced off. This is indeed bullshit.
Random fences that do not exist are shown on the map (like between Austria and Italy), and some fenced borders do not look fenced here.. like the border between Georgia and Armenia.. there is a nice barbed wire fence all over
russia didnt start a government in those ukrainian territory. you might not aprove it but you can not deny the existence of a government there which has been in peace with the other government for decades. the border is basically settled. ukraine russia situation is different, border is changing every single day.
It's not a border by Cypriot, European and International Law. It actually matters legally in a lot of issues you wouldn't know. It's also the reason Cyprus can't be that harsh on illegall immigrants passing to the free areas as by law you can exert strict check ups only on borders and Cyprus by law has no in land borders. Which makes things complicated and harder. It's called a ceasefire zone.
Ok but it's a wall separating territories controlled by different governments. Of course legality has implications but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
It's not a wall. The Republic wanted to build a wall 15 years ago to stop the illegal immigrants from coming in but the Cypriot Parliament and the European Parliament told them they can't as to build walls legally you need to build them on borders. But in ceasefire zones like this one you can only put wired fences. So Cyprus is stuck with having wired fences instead of a wall due to legal reasons as you can't divided your sovereign by UN law country with walls, but you can do it with wired fences for a lot of reasons. It's actually an issue they are trying to change in the Parliament for several years now but they can't. That's why Cyprus ends up being the country with the most illegal immigrants for it's population in the European Union.
You are right most aren't. But the ones in Greece to the border with Turkey are very high and that's what Cyprus Government wanted to make inside Cyprus but the Parliament didn't allow it as such fortifications can only be made in borders. Basically all countries reserve the right to make walls in their borders, even if they execute that right or not or they do nothing or just make wired fences instead. Due to Cyprus special situation despite wanting to make walls, it can't.
So I guess the Ukraine border is the Russia-Ukraine barrier, which was built starting in 2014, but....given how the past couple of years have gone I'm not really sure how much of this is actually still there, or how it counts as a fenced border (and the part around Donbass wouldn't have been built anyway).
This is a bullshit map.
The border from Norway to Russia is not fenced...
Norway did build a few hundred meters of new fence next to the official border crossing, but that's all. (And from before there is fence at the old discontinued border crossing at the Skafferhullet quarry.)
There are also several kilometers of reindeer fence on the Norwegian side, but these have curtains for humans to cross...
On the Russian side there is a several kilometers deep exclusion zone where only soldiers are allowed (only exceptions is the official border crossing.). And they have some "fences" that's part of alarm system to detect people crossing into the exclusion zone.
From the cost of building fences like these, there is absolutely no way more than 10% of the red lines actually have a fence solid enough to slow anyone wanting to cross for more than 5 minutes.
>Norway did build a few hundred meters of new fence next to the official border crossing, but that's all
I remember this map first appeared when that was in the news, and it was written to sound like the whole border was being fenced. If whoever made this map read the news at the time, they would have believed there was a 198 km fence.
yeah, mostly the meric/evros, but fencing exist on places where the river has changed its course and formed oxbows + karaagac, a small town on the opposite banks of edirne which was formed as a war prize (back then it was hosting the railway station for edirne and quite developed until the balkan wars)
This map is wrong. It shows the illegal reality on the ground for Cyprus but doesn't do it for Ukraine. So it ends up being hypocritical on top of wrong. Also:
In Cyprus.... It's not a border by Cypriot, European and International Law. It actually matters legally in a lot of issues you wouldn't know. It's also the reason Cyprus can't be that harsh on illegall immigrants passing to the free areas as by law you can exert strict check ups only on borders and Cyprus by law has no in land borders. Which makes things complicated and harder. It's called a ceasefire zone.
Do you think that if there's a fence there are no crossing points? Do you also think you can't get from Bulgaria/Greece to Turkey? Or from Serbia to Hungary?
Crossing borders into neighboring countries is not a human right, it's a privilege. And Russia has lost that privilege. Nobody wanted to build those expensive fences, this money would have been spent on something better.
But when living next to fascist invader of a country you have to prepare yourself for the worst to come.
Anyways, Russia says it's in a war against the 'collective West,' since when does people expect to go sighseeing in countries you're in war with?
Russians are individuals, the vast majority of which wouldn’t choose this, they don’t ‘lose that privilege’ just because of one person’s actions and have that be justified. Furthermore, how will Kaliningrad residents visit their families in the mainland? And one person (or an oligarchy because you clearly have no idea how Russian politics works) does not speak for nearly 150 million people.
Like the other guy told you - crossing country border is not your right. We don't want Russians crossing into Poland. Simple as that. Reasons are obvious.
Like it or not - Russians support the war as a nation. Majority are on board with invading Ukraine (or other countries).
Russia has threatened us numerous times so I couldn't really care less about the inconvenience that the travel ban might have on people living in Królewiec (no such thing as Kaliningrad anymore).
Please don’t join the gaslighting train. I guarantee you that you have political illiteracy if you believe those polls, nobody I’ve met really supports it. And you WILL call the city Kaliningrad, it’s the official name and you’re not getting that land.
>nobody I’ve met really supports it
You obviously haven't met entire country. Conducting war on the grand gscale that Russia is doing (turning entire economy into war economy) would not be possible without nation-wide support.
>And you WILL call the city Kaliningrad,
Its called Królewiec even on Google Maps so I will call it as it is and there is nothing you can do about it.
>and you’re not getting that land.
Russians always think that everyone wants land. No - its your nation that wants land, even though you have so much of it. We don't care about your little piece of land by the "lake NATO" ;)
>Crossing borders into neighboring countries is not a human right, it's a privilege. And Russia has lost that privilege.
You say it as if Poland and the Baltic States were the only countries that Russia borders.....
Eurocentrist detected.
The thing is that it is still there. Slovenians are really smart because they know Croatia has poor border control with Bosnia so they kept it. It is around 3.5 meter tall with Barb Wire on the top (quite scary actually) and runs all over the southern and eastern border with Croatia. It has some acceces points for locals to visit the rivers and so on.
Wikipedia says by 2023 all the walls have been removed. AP says they started removing them in July 2022. I took a trip on Google earth and see no wall anywhere.
Migration is still a problem and they are discussing (and have started) to jointly extend border security with checkpoints tho.
We don’t have any border fences in NI/Ireland, there are some peace walls in Belfast but it’s not a border, it’s just a big fence separating communities.
They were meant to be all be removed by 2023 lol, but that hasn’t happened 😬
Lol what
A large part of the pre 2014 Russian Ukrainian border in Russian hands on either side there’s no fence there
Don’t get me wrong I hope there gonna be a fence there in the near future but this is just inaccurate
Wtf? There is no fence between Hungary and Croatia. What the fuck is going on with r/MapPorn? You keep posting ridiculous misleading maps just for sake of posting something. What is the point of this sub?
Russia is the worst neighbor, always looking over the fence like an asshole. Keeps calling the HOA on you about some bullshit. You swear he was the one who poisoned your dog. Asshole keeps flying a drone over too, just to be annoying.
Fuck Russia, all my homies hate Russia.
Eh, if you look closely you can see that there is no red line on the Finnish border at all (the red line is between Norway and Russia). And to be exact, we have never even considered building a fence on the whole length of the border, just a few kilometers around the border crossings.
Ah I see, I forgot Norway had a little boarder up there. I didn’t think this is what was actually happening but it’s funny to imagine starting a fence with one of the most remote parts first.
Oh yeah,
Supposedly during the Russian missile crisis, JFK needed to remove missiles that were stationed in Turkey after the Soviets removed their missiles from Cuba.
Supposedly it's not a well-known fact for Americans?
The missiles in Turkey are what prompted the Soviet’s to station missiles in Cuba in the first place. It was part of a larger string to tit for tat escalations that lead to tensions being so high by the time the missile crisis started in earnest.
The new baltic "fence" comes with 600 bunkers, but I doubt they will be able to handle a tactical nuclear weapon. Then again I don't know how happy the Russian army will be to march through the radiation.
this is a lie jugoslav and greece border is open can literally step under a tree or over a mountain and cross not fenced whole way done this myself recently...
There is no fenced border between Italy and Austria, there are only some border patrol checks from time to time INSIDE the border.
2/3 of that “fence” would have to be at >2/3000m of altitude and take decades to be constructed. 😂
Sebastian Kurz, is that you? The last time I was hiking between Austria and Slovenia I have seen no fence, crossing the border 3 times, except one military location that is entirely inside the Austrian border
But Wien maintains the south fence to Slovenia as the Balkan migrant route was really intense.
At least the border to Slovenia from Austria I’ve crossed had open fields on one side of the border control station (which was unmanned before 2015) and a forested hillside on the other.
there is no fence between slovenia and austria.
This is a bullshit map. Most of the presumably fenced border in Austria is high Alpine territory. It’s not possible to build a fence, if you really tried to build on steep rocks it would be hilariously expensive and it’s tourist country, where hikers, skiers and mountaineers would be less than thrilled to have ugly fences. It’s just not true. It would also be pointless because in most of the red line you would have to be an experienced mountain climber to cross.
I have no idea what the fencing outside Copenhagen is supposed to be.
The fence in question is a bridge.
What is a bridge but a fence for water.
But that fence has holes? Dams would be fence
A fence has holes, a wall does not
There is a customs station/border control on the Swedish side of Öresundsbron. Wouldn’t want to let too many Danes in, you know
Yeah but there's customs on the Danish/German border as well and they're not in the map. And by the wording, it sounds like physical actual physical borders.
It’s a bad map
Kawloon Walled City
The border follows the ridges of the mountains between the two countries. As is with most historical borders within mountain ranges. Only at certain passes its even possible to cross the border by car, or if you aren’t a serious mountain hiker. The mountains themselves are a natural barrier, however that doesn’t mean that the border is fenced off. This is indeed bullshit.
Probably drawn by the same misinformation bots claiming Loblaws has a monopoly on groceries and pharmacies in Canada.
same goes for macedonia-greece
vcv7,ff,
Random fences that do not exist are shown on the map (like between Austria and Italy), and some fenced borders do not look fenced here.. like the border between Georgia and Armenia.. there is a nice barbed wire fence all over
Totally shit map.I can see a red line that is a border without a fence and another with a fence that is not a border
You mean Cyprus? Just because it's not an internationally recognized border doesn't mean it's not a border.
Ok then.In this case the borders between Ukraine and Russia are wrong.
russia didnt start a government in those ukrainian territory. you might not aprove it but you can not deny the existence of a government there which has been in peace with the other government for decades. the border is basically settled. ukraine russia situation is different, border is changing every single day.
Open your browser and check the facts you just gave.You will be surprised.Every single phrase you have written is simply wrong.
It's not a border by Cypriot, European and International Law. It actually matters legally in a lot of issues you wouldn't know. It's also the reason Cyprus can't be that harsh on illegall immigrants passing to the free areas as by law you can exert strict check ups only on borders and Cyprus by law has no in land borders. Which makes things complicated and harder. It's called a ceasefire zone.
Ok but it's a wall separating territories controlled by different governments. Of course legality has implications but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
It's not a wall. The Republic wanted to build a wall 15 years ago to stop the illegal immigrants from coming in but the Cypriot Parliament and the European Parliament told them they can't as to build walls legally you need to build them on borders. But in ceasefire zones like this one you can only put wired fences. So Cyprus is stuck with having wired fences instead of a wall due to legal reasons as you can't divided your sovereign by UN law country with walls, but you can do it with wired fences for a lot of reasons. It's actually an issue they are trying to change in the Parliament for several years now but they can't. That's why Cyprus ends up being the country with the most illegal immigrants for it's population in the European Union.
I'm pretty sure most "walls" shown here are just wired fences. That's usually what border walls are.
You are right most aren't. But the ones in Greece to the border with Turkey are very high and that's what Cyprus Government wanted to make inside Cyprus but the Parliament didn't allow it as such fortifications can only be made in borders. Basically all countries reserve the right to make walls in their borders, even if they execute that right or not or they do nothing or just make wired fences instead. Due to Cyprus special situation despite wanting to make walls, it can't.
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Never noticed any fences when driving or taking the metro to Denmark, but ok
And technically there is a fence between Denmark and Germany but it's (mostly) to hold back wildlife.
You don't want the Danes to eat all your grass, makes sense.
Paint the grass blue, then
Then it will look like water and you'll create a problem with the Dutch coming over and trying to fill it in. It's a well-balanced ecosystem, you see.
It's also full of holes to allow some wildlife to pass through... It's a really weird fence all in all
The metro?
There is one (or at least was very recently, been a year since I took the train) at Hyllie station in Malmö. So it is at the Swedish side.
I didn't know Ukraine won the war and built the anti Putin wall... bullshit map
Yeah, why would Russia fence of their own regions
What do you mean? Belarus isn't fenced off from Russia?
So I guess the Ukraine border is the Russia-Ukraine barrier, which was built starting in 2014, but....given how the past couple of years have gone I'm not really sure how much of this is actually still there, or how it counts as a fenced border (and the part around Donbass wouldn't have been built anyway).
Ah yes, my favourite gated community - the Baltics.
We Poles have special access.
We are fine, we just like to keep the genocidal orcs to our east out.
It is very optimistic to show a fence on the border of Ukraine / Russia.
This is a bullshit map. The border from Norway to Russia is not fenced... Norway did build a few hundred meters of new fence next to the official border crossing, but that's all. (And from before there is fence at the old discontinued border crossing at the Skafferhullet quarry.) There are also several kilometers of reindeer fence on the Norwegian side, but these have curtains for humans to cross... On the Russian side there is a several kilometers deep exclusion zone where only soldiers are allowed (only exceptions is the official border crossing.). And they have some "fences" that's part of alarm system to detect people crossing into the exclusion zone. From the cost of building fences like these, there is absolutely no way more than 10% of the red lines actually have a fence solid enough to slow anyone wanting to cross for more than 5 minutes.
>Norway did build a few hundred meters of new fence next to the official border crossing, but that's all I remember this map first appeared when that was in the news, and it was written to sound like the whole border was being fenced. If whoever made this map read the news at the time, they would have believed there was a 198 km fence.
Slovenia Croatia is also fenced (highway to Zagreb)
I never saw a fence there, driving over from zagreb to lubjana.
From Ptuj to Zagreb there are 3 fences on the border.
I thought border between Greece and Turkiye was a river
yeah, mostly the meric/evros, but fencing exist on places where the river has changed its course and formed oxbows + karaagac, a small town on the opposite banks of edirne which was formed as a war prize (back then it was hosting the railway station for edirne and quite developed until the balkan wars)
This completely misses the big walls I have between me and my neighbors on both sides in Moravia.
This map is wrong. It shows the illegal reality on the ground for Cyprus but doesn't do it for Ukraine. So it ends up being hypocritical on top of wrong. Also: In Cyprus.... It's not a border by Cypriot, European and International Law. It actually matters legally in a lot of issues you wouldn't know. It's also the reason Cyprus can't be that harsh on illegall immigrants passing to the free areas as by law you can exert strict check ups only on borders and Cyprus by law has no in land borders. Which makes things complicated and harder. It's called a ceasefire zone.
Zee fence aroundch Switzerlund iz zee mountainch.
And the Rhein
That fence didn't help much. Didn't the (African) migrants arrive in Swiss towns despite local opposition?
And how are Kaliningrad residents going to travel? They’re walled in
Do you think that if there's a fence there are no crossing points? Do you also think you can't get from Bulgaria/Greece to Turkey? Or from Serbia to Hungary?
Maybe Putin should have thought about that before starting his bullshit war
Wow, as if ALL Russians are equally guilty for this. I’d rather not hear it
Crossing borders into neighboring countries is not a human right, it's a privilege. And Russia has lost that privilege. Nobody wanted to build those expensive fences, this money would have been spent on something better. But when living next to fascist invader of a country you have to prepare yourself for the worst to come. Anyways, Russia says it's in a war against the 'collective West,' since when does people expect to go sighseeing in countries you're in war with?
Russians are individuals, the vast majority of which wouldn’t choose this, they don’t ‘lose that privilege’ just because of one person’s actions and have that be justified. Furthermore, how will Kaliningrad residents visit their families in the mainland? And one person (or an oligarchy because you clearly have no idea how Russian politics works) does not speak for nearly 150 million people.
Like the other guy told you - crossing country border is not your right. We don't want Russians crossing into Poland. Simple as that. Reasons are obvious. Like it or not - Russians support the war as a nation. Majority are on board with invading Ukraine (or other countries). Russia has threatened us numerous times so I couldn't really care less about the inconvenience that the travel ban might have on people living in Królewiec (no such thing as Kaliningrad anymore).
Please don’t join the gaslighting train. I guarantee you that you have political illiteracy if you believe those polls, nobody I’ve met really supports it. And you WILL call the city Kaliningrad, it’s the official name and you’re not getting that land.
>nobody I’ve met really supports it You obviously haven't met entire country. Conducting war on the grand gscale that Russia is doing (turning entire economy into war economy) would not be possible without nation-wide support. >And you WILL call the city Kaliningrad, Its called Królewiec even on Google Maps so I will call it as it is and there is nothing you can do about it. >and you’re not getting that land. Russians always think that everyone wants land. No - its your nation that wants land, even though you have so much of it. We don't care about your little piece of land by the "lake NATO" ;)
>Crossing borders into neighboring countries is not a human right, it's a privilege. And Russia has lost that privilege. You say it as if Poland and the Baltic States were the only countries that Russia borders..... Eurocentrist detected.
Is there really no fenced border between Armenia and Turkey? Given their animosity, seems hard to believe...
>Most recently, Poland, Latvia and Estonia have started The map shows constructed, though.
It could be expanded into military fortified line in the futher, also Polish-Królewiec border is shown as under construction.
I don't think the Armenian-Azerbaijan border is fenced And the Azerbaijan-Russia border is not fenced the whole way
Also Slovenia has a fenced southern border with Croatia
For how long can they even maintain that now that Croatia has entered Schengen? I think they're now urged to tear it down right?
The thing is that it is still there. Slovenians are really smart because they know Croatia has poor border control with Bosnia so they kept it. It is around 3.5 meter tall with Barb Wire on the top (quite scary actually) and runs all over the southern and eastern border with Croatia. It has some acceces points for locals to visit the rivers and so on.
Wikipedia says by 2023 all the walls have been removed. AP says they started removing them in July 2022. I took a trip on Google earth and see no wall anywhere. Migration is still a problem and they are discussing (and have started) to jointly extend border security with checkpoints tho.
How effective is the fence between Ukraine and Russia nowadays?
So the Russians built a fence between them and their newly annexed territories in the Donbass? This map doesn't make sense at all
How it feels to spread misinformation
Lol. Believe it. That fence is gonna hold Russia back. As it did for Ukraine.
Cyprus is basically a wall on this scale. It would've been cool to include Northern Ireland's patchiness.
We don’t have any border fences in NI/Ireland, there are some peace walls in Belfast but it’s not a border, it’s just a big fence separating communities. They were meant to be all be removed by 2023 lol, but that hasn’t happened 😬
Srs I can tell that there's absolutely no fence going along the south side of Austrian. This map seems to be bs
nice
The forum is just people posting maps and then redditbros attempting to dismantel said maps which degrades into much waffle.
If you are including unrecognised countries like Northern Cyprus, Abkhazia and South Ossetia's borders are fenced
Hadrian's Wall ?
That's s wall
Also, not a border
It’s weird how a lot of countries have a fenced border with Russia huh…
r/mapswithouticeland
Who’s gonna pay for it? MEXICOOOO
Hopefully way to other animals except humans still be able to move around....
Is there really a fence seperating the occupied areas of Ukraine to Russia? Seems unlikely when the Russians claim those regions are russian.
Can someone explain the ones inside the EU? Do they actually exist?
I doubt Ukraines fence
Lol what A large part of the pre 2014 Russian Ukrainian border in Russian hands on either side there’s no fence there Don’t get me wrong I hope there gonna be a fence there in the near future but this is just inaccurate
The mexico of Europe
Austria and Italy, really?
Gotta fence off evil Russia.
Fence in the north of France ? Never heard about that !!!
Wtf? There is no fence between Hungary and Croatia. What the fuck is going on with r/MapPorn? You keep posting ridiculous misleading maps just for sake of posting something. What is the point of this sub?
So Hungary and Austria have a "fenced border" in their respective centers?
Russia is the worst neighbor, always looking over the fence like an asshole. Keeps calling the HOA on you about some bullshit. You swear he was the one who poisoned your dog. Asshole keeps flying a drone over too, just to be annoying. Fuck Russia, all my homies hate Russia.
Finland seems to be starting their fence in the north and moving south which is the funniest possible way to do this.
Eh, if you look closely you can see that there is no red line on the Finnish border at all (the red line is between Norway and Russia). And to be exact, we have never even considered building a fence on the whole length of the border, just a few kilometers around the border crossings.
Ah I see, I forgot Norway had a little boarder up there. I didn’t think this is what was actually happening but it’s funny to imagine starting a fence with one of the most remote parts first.
During the Cold War Norway was famously the only NATO country that had a border with the Soviet Union; specifically that little strip you see.
There was also Turkey, another NATO country
Oh yeah, Supposedly during the Russian missile crisis, JFK needed to remove missiles that were stationed in Turkey after the Soviets removed their missiles from Cuba. Supposedly it's not a well-known fact for Americans?
The missiles in Turkey are what prompted the Soviet’s to station missiles in Cuba in the first place. It was part of a larger string to tit for tat escalations that lead to tensions being so high by the time the missile crisis started in earnest.
Trump approves..
But why build fences? Merkel told us that it is impossible to protect borders /s
In most cases it's completely performative, yes
Those fences are nuke proof?
The new baltic "fence" comes with 600 bunkers, but I doubt they will be able to handle a tactical nuclear weapon. Then again I don't know how happy the Russian army will be to march through the radiation.
Hahaha you took it too seriously. But good answer, mate.
this is a lie jugoslav and greece border is open can literally step under a tree or over a mountain and cross not fenced whole way done this myself recently...
This is awesome but when the US does it, it’s racist
Why is there a need for a fence on the border between Azerbaijan and Russia?
Probably built after 20 January
Nobody wants Russia and Turkey!!!!!
Bullshit! There are no fenced borders in Austria!