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xfortehlulz

I just feel like if theyre gonna do this they should trade back cause no one else is gonna make that pick before like 9 at the highest


SuitableLingonberry6

He is close to Wemby. Their sisters played on the same team. I could see the Spurs swing for him at 8.


xfortehlulz

honestly a spursy pick but man seems odd for them to pick a project. Pop will surprise though that's for sure


paxusromanus811

Does it though? I feel like they've gone with quite a few recently. Jeremy sochan Was viewed as a extremely raw project entering the draft. Blake Wesley was considered one of the least ready to contribute players in his draft class, same with sidy sissolo. Josh primo Was an extremely new to basketball role player who was all theoretical. Even Devin vassel was considered VERY raw and a long term project If you were expecting anything more than just 3 ND prototype.


Silver-Experience-94

Yeah, but now they gave Wemby. Their timeline jumped 


Attack_Da_Nite

They should switch their picks with the Blazers for real.


xfortehlulz

what do you think the price is? If it's a another future first no way portland does that IMO. Is 9 and like jabari walker worth #2? Not totally out of the question I guess but feels light


Attack_Da_Nite

It feels worth investigating but not a future first. If the Wizards could get Dillingham and Walter then that seems like a good start to their rebuild. I imagine the Blazers would really like to have Clingan.


Responsible-Knee6288

Maybe #7 and #14 for #2?


xfortehlulz

I could see it, personally in a class like this I want a couple chances, and I probably like the end of the lottery more than the top in a certain way this year so I'd probably rather come out of this class with like Knecht and Furphy than just one of the top guys, but hey if they really scout a guy highly that value adds up


GlueGuy00

7 + 14 for 2


dukkha_dukkha_goose

Blazers want him too, or at least the fans do. Debate in our sub is whether to grab him at 7 or hope he falls to our pick at 14. I’ve got no insight to to our front office apart from we’ve been drafting raw upside guys like him post-Cronin.


pythonwarg

\#2 <---> Scoot Wizards need a Point Guard.


Attack_Da_Nite

Dillingham would be a good pick for them at 7 and then they could take a chance on Edey at 14. They have nothing to lose because they’re going to suck for a while.


Dtwerky

As a Blazers, I’m down. I’m pissed we drafted Scoot over Amen and have been team Amen since pre-draft last year. So let me shed Scoot and go get a big PG like Topic or Castle.


pythonwarg

We would be guaranteed either Risacher or Sarr. So we end up with wings depth looking solid having Risacher, Toumani, and Thybulle, or, center depth looking solid having Ayton, Sarr, Reath.


paxusromanus811

I mean, don't sleep on the Spurs at 8:00. He's like childhood friends with Victor and they have Reportedly watched him a few times in Europe. He's exactly the type of prospect. Brian wright has been known to look for. Very toolsy, raw, high upside guys


DoveFood

I mean, if they really like him, they should just draft him.  You really aren’t going to get much to trade down a few picks, you for sure are not going to get unprotected 2025 draft picks for trading down. No reason to risk it if you really like the guy (I’m not commenting about my preference about the guy, just if the Wizards think that). 


xfortehlulz

I agree with this logic generally speaking but when you're talking about taking a guy #2 that is currently consensus to go out of the lottery I think you should look for value. If they try to trade back, don't like the offers and Saloun is atop their board, fuck it go ahead and take him, but frankly I would bt pretty shocked if he went lottery so I think if he's your guy you could get good value from a team trying to move up seven or 8 slots


ShampooMonK

>Everybody will be so surprised when the Wizards select Tidjane Salaun at #2Everybody will be so surprised when the Wizards select Tidjane Salaun at #2 Would you like to bet on this? Lol.


Kaaalesaaalad

It does sound like such a Wizards thing to do.


ShampooMonK

You guys keep mentioning it's a 'Wizards,' thing but the Wizards have revamped their front office and actually have people with more than one single brain cell working their scouting department. Is this a joke or a meme that I'm missing out on lol.


Typhoid007

Sports fans will never be able to wrap their head around the concept of different front offices in an organization


Notapplesauce11

How many front offices have the clippers had?


Bridgesfailll

Have you heard of the Detroit lions? Took them 30 years and many offices


Kaaalesaaalad

It's not a meme to me. It's the fact that Leonsis still owns the team and is always trying and forcing his inputs on every FO he's had. Until there are multiple years where he doesn't meddle, then I'd believe. Until then, I view him the same way I do Fertitta.


Fast_Stick_1593

Not this front office…people need to get out of that mindset


Kaaalesaaalad

Hard to blame people when it's been like this for the Wiz for a long time now and we also heard that same sentiment you're saying about Sheppard. Also it's too early to tell when the most notable moves done were trading for Jordan Poole, drafting Coulibaly, and firing the coach mid-season.


Knighthonor

hey watch yourself!


throwstuff165

It's amazing to me that people can be like "Topic doesn't shoot 40% from three, not a lottery pick" and then turn around and say "Yeah, Salaun might go #2." We've gone off the deep end of people valuing TOOLZ and POTENTIAL over being good at basketball.


gray_character

I hope it happens though. That'll make better prospects available for the Jazz. You know SOME team will go for some crazy pick in the top 10 in this draft.


Knighthonor

> It's amazing to me that people can be like "Topic doesn't shoot 40% from three, not a lottery pick" and then turn around and say "Yeah, Salaun might go #2." one word. "Wizards"


RusselTheBrickLayer

It’ll be funny to see the reactions here when topic plays well, I saw someone comparing him to Josh Giddey..


Status-Round3800

Who do you think Salaun is? 😂


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Do_You_Like_Jazz

RemindMe! 5 years


Ahfekz

You about to get cooked in 5 years. He ain’t going 2 but he should be top five. You still have time to delete this


Status-Round3800

If this dude turns into Giannis I might lose it


dkmegg22

If anything you still have time to delete this comment.


Ahfekz

Lol nah I’ve been right on every draft I’ve opined on starting with Devin Booker. I’m good over here. *You* on the other hand keep that same energy when Tidjane is top 3 in a redraft next year. I don’t wanna hear none of that “did you REALLY come back to say this?” Either.


SuitableLingonberry6

What did you say about Booker?


Encourage_Choice

If the Spurs offered the #8, and 2 unprotected future 1sts. Would that be worth the #2 and Coulibaly?


shelvino

I truly see big Jeff Green/Aminu vibes with him.


KD_43

Aminu was SOLID if he could shoot or was a few inches taller he would've be niiice


shelvino

For sure. As a Blazer fan, Aminu was a very valuable starter for 3 different playoff seasons. He hovered around 35% from 3 but his athleticism, defense, and rebounding were great and there would be nights we won because he punished teams with his shooting. It was just an inconsistent high arching shot that Salaun form reminds me of. Not a catapult shot but a super high release and arch


1013789743467898

I was an Aminu fan, he actually had some very high percentage years from deep combined with great defense. He was just one of the worst creators I've seen in the league. God awful handle.


Head_Improvement5317

He would have been so much better if he just never tried to dribble. Feels like every time he attacked a close out he bounced the ball off his leg


Radiant_Reveal_8745

He also has the best voice of all time


Persianx6

2 years away from being 2 years away.


Life_Ad_9518

Salaun can barely dribble; there’s no reason to believe he has upside as a creator. how does a plain 3+D prospect have the most upside in the draft? There are 15 players with more upside


Sean888888

draft night Giannis could barely dribble too


Tragic-tragedy

There are 100 Bruno Caboclos for every Giannis


beefJeRKy-LB

I hate this argument that teams missed on Giannis. Go back and watch the tape. He was a big question mark and Milwaukee got super lucky.


kcheng686

Giannis is the new Kawhi in terms of being a draft comp for players that people overrated because it worked once for someone else


lediase

Don’t forget Paul George for every wing who had a recent growth spurt


OG_Wan_Annunoby

Siakam for every shit power forward


FallenLemur

I still remember Masai trying to trade up to get him


beefJeRKy-LB

And he did something similar with Bruno and that didn't work. Hoping they move away from guys with low feel but great athletic builds.


A1Horizon

3 years later the Bucks tried to swing for the Giannis fences again with Thon Maker and it failed miserably


google-street-view

He’s still 2 years away


kfmsooner

‘He’s 2 years away from being 2 years away’ - My favorite quote from Fran Fraschilla about Bruno Caboclo.


blinkomatic

On a side note, Bruno looked amazing in international competition last time I saw him. Like Giannis lite. He was dominating.


GlueGuy00

Teams won't miss much if they swing hard on upside guys this year


OriginalPingman

More like 10,000


DanimalsAndChill

I’d gladly take those odds if I’m a bottom-tier small-market tbh


Life_Ad_9518

Giannis played some point-forward overseas. he also grew to be 6'11 and crazy long - Salaun has human length ; Giannis grew into something different. Most players don't grow let alone grow into being the best physical specimen in the league.


Walmartsavings2

Giannis wingspan isn’t that crazy for his height lol. It’s like a little above average. What makes him a freak is how he moves, not his arms lol. And how fuckin strong he is.


Life_Ad_9518

Giannis doesn't even have a wingspan measurement after he grew. before he grew to 6'11 it was 7-3 or 7-4. I think that's the measurement you're referring to. After he grew after his rookie year his jumper got clunky, his arms got longer


Walmartsavings2

Is there anything to verify that? Or are we just saying that?


Life_Ad_9518

The team verified him growing, and his height listing changed. I don't think it's only someone's height that grows, I think his arms got longer too - if you look at him as a rookie vs now, his height and length is different. He looked like a SF when he was drafted; even looked like a SF shooting motion - now it's a clunky long guy shooting motion


DirtyDanoTho

Oh yes let’s use one of the biggest outliers ever as the standard example


1850ChoochGator

Giannis was 6’9 with a 7’3 wingspan and Salaun supposedly is 6’9 with a 7’0.75 wingspan. So it is pretty close. That being said, to think Salaun will have the same trajectory is wild


bkervick

Those last few inches are pretty important if you're considering upside.


luapchung

Coulibaly, who we just drafted, has a better chance of becoming Giannis with his measurements alone. He’s like 6’8 with 7’3” wingspan right now as a 19 year old


poopbuttballspoon123

He was a supersize guard coming out just had no shot. Once he grew and took steroids he turned into the bowling ball


bigmikeabrahams

Giannis came into the league as a theoretical PG with ball skills


Turbo2x

There are players with way more upside and skill at the same age as Tidjane right now. I love the kid but 2 is way too high for him.


qwertggft123

Can’t believe how many people just see the highlights and are convinced about a player. Watch some of his games he looks absolutely lost out there at times, taking a player like that at 2 would be idiotic no matter how good his upside is


TheRealDevDev

salaun is basically ousmane dieng from 2 drafts ago lmao. this mythical foreign project that everyone is just so sure is gonna be the next giannis lmao.


julstar23

You expect casual and highlight reel fans to actually watch real game tape?lol.


qwertggft123

lmfao u right


julstar23

The casual fan are highlights people only lol.


qwertggft123

yeah i mean if you’re watching casually i can’t really fault that, it’s just funny thinking about if Salaun were to actually go 2 lol, if the Wizards even expect him to breathe the arena air on Game 1 they’re gonna be fucked 😭


Professional-Doubt14

They already sucked for years, do they have the patience to say the next few years don’t matter? Also Wash just had success drafting Avdija, a skilled guy with high bball IQ. The last time they drafted an athletic euro with questionable IQ and skills it was Jan Vesely.


Sean888888

actually, the last time they drafted a super raw but long and athletic euro was last year


Professional-Doubt14

I don’t know if I would have called Bilal super raw as a prospect, but I didn’t watch him a ton when he was in France. Looks like his shooting numbers were way better than Salaun’s. How would you compare the two as prospects?


ComradeHines

Salaun is more athletic, and that’s just about the only plus. Salaun is far far more raw. Bilal was pretty clearly going to translate to the NBA on the defensive end and not be a complete write off year one. I’m not so sure about Salaun. He’s got real potential but he’s a 2-3 year project before I think he’s a real solid NBA player.


Sean888888

Salaun is more raw in almost every aspect. But Bilal was pretty raw himself. At the beginning of last season, he was still with the youth team. He wasn't even playing in the main team. He only got promoted to the main team because of injuries to some players. The team eventually realized that his size and length were helpful, and he made his way into the starting lineup. All this happened in a year.


ComradeHines

I don’t think you can say Bilal has questionable IQ quite yet. Super raw in terms of shooting, but he’s clearly not lost out there minus some typical boneheaded rookie mistakes


bigmikeabrahams

Bilal has a solid feel for the game. He hasn’t gotten the chance to do a lot off the dribble but he’s a smart passer. People don’t realize he was an undersized guard until he grew 12 inches in the 2 years leading up to getting drafted


gray_character

And Bilal panned out. Similar to how we could see the Spurs draft a French player to go with Wemby, we could see Washington do similarly with Salaun for sure. Maybe they'd trade down though.


SuitableLingonberry6

That would be the dumbest idea a GM can have. Wemby is the franchise cornerstone. Bilal is just a franchise piece.


Dsarg_92

Didn’t they just drafted Bilal Coulibaly last year?


gray_character

And it worked out for them. Teams like to pair players of nationalities (or brothers) to let them be more comfortable and reach their potential. I would say it's likely for Spurs to draft a French prospect in this draft, and for Washington to do the same if they have a chance.


wrongerontheinternet

> And it worked out for them. I wish lol, he was incredibly bad last year. He was drafted on the premise that he might turn into Giannis and his first year has already mostly eliminated that possibility.


gray_character

What? He had 8/4 on good efficiency for a rookie. No idea why you're comparing him to Giannis, but how about you tell the class what Giannis' numbers were during his rookie year.


Peyyton07

Huh?


luapchung

You say that as if Giannis averaged like 20/10 in his rookie year lol go back and see what he averaged


OkFirefighter3033

French here. I love him and wish him the best but I fully agree with you. The guy just cannot dribble and his BBIQ doesn't seem very high. Still young so he can definitely be a good starter piece but he won't be an MVP candidate for sure.


bigmikeabrahams

>he won't be an MVP candidate for sure Wow, what a scorching hot take! I don’t think anybody was expecting him to be an MVP candidate when he went 7th. If he turns into a good 3/D wing, that will be a positive outcome


Sean888888

yes and Salaun's timeline would fit with his perfectly


SlickWillie86

No. I will say, watching only highlights, Salaun looks great and you can certainly be dazzled by them. I implore you to simply one watch one half of a full game he plays in. You’ll see he has little to no grasp of the game and often looks lost. As Fran once put it, he’s 2 years away from being 2 years away.


SufficientComment

He had a great performance in a playoff game against a tough opponent today. So if you were watching the game, I don’t think that would be the first thought


-Johnny_Utah-

Found Tidjane’s burner account…


Upbeat_County3606

Anyone watching him tonight? Hes absolutely balling his motor is insane


gray_character

No, what did you see?


Upbeat_County3606

Like i said insane motor and intensity ..some good reads defense .. good poa defense on TJ Shorts who tried to get a piece of him but hes so big and that backfired On offense mainly offball ... cuts dunks some 3s Hes still raw his handle and game sense need tons of work Bilal coulibaly had better handle as a prospect and it held him back a lot in his rookie season 👍


Far-Yak-9808

Cool. Maybe Salaun can be a combo of MPJ and Aaron Gordon. That would be a really good pick. 2? That would be really high. If he goes that high I think a team like Wiz/Pistons trade DOWN then somebody is moving up. Spurs probably want him at 8. Or, the Thunder at 12.


SuitableLingonberry6

Where Can we watch these games?


Upbeat_County3606

Im using Skweek a streaming platform but french league are also being streamed on betting sites 👍


SuitableLingonberry6

Thanks!!!


Niaaco

Not overreacting after today’s match but man he was so freaking good.


dorshiffe_2

#2 look far to high but he just play is first playoff match and he was good, let's see.


Different_Chain5474

Don’t wish that evil on my team


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Fast_Stick_1593

Not this front office it wouldn’t. People need to look the guys OKC picked up. That was our GM scouting them. He scouted Bilal for over a year while with OKC. That’s why OKC tried to trade up to grab him, he had all the same notes on Bilal that OKC did.


JeonSukJinKim

Topic. Both the answer of who they are picking and who has more upside than Salaun.


n7ripper

I hope my Spurs take him. Pop will work wonders with him and Wembanyama likes him.


gray_character

Spurs could take Risacher and Salaun with their picks and start a nearly all French team. Those players are sort of close range to each of their picks. Similar positions though.


n7ripper

Yeah, if they get Risacher at 4 i would think they go Dillingham or Castle at 8.... Unless they've already traded for Trae Young.


GlueGuy00

Spurs has to take him at 8. Higher upside than Risacher.


call_8675309

No one expects the Spanish inquisition!!


ganyobi_kwaw

You believe he is worth paying $9M a year as he is now?


Sean888888

I believe he's not even worth a min contract right now but I don't make the rules. If that's what a team has to pay to secure the first 9 years of his career then they'll bite the bullet and pay it.


ImanShumpertplus

he’s only 2 years away from being years away


False-Effective644

I bet they take Risacher


Aggressive_Strike75

Tidjane Salaun will surprise lots of people. I’m surprised he isn’t talked much because in France he is. Some fans expected him to be higher than Risacher in the draft.


ncos

I think Ware has more upside than Salaun. But it's close.


ParlayDoc

RemindMe! 4 years


TrumpedBigly

Nothing would surprise me with this draft.


Illustrious_Buy_5253

Something I was told by somebody that I find really accurate is how much information they have about Tidjane in multiple events the past few years versus the information they got about Risaccher, for example.


_Gibby__

I think they’re more likely to take Chomche at 26 than Salaun at 2


PenultimatePotatoe

I don't know about Salaun but I would not be surprised at all if it wasn't Topic, Risacher, or any of these other mock draft favorites.


DarkoDragicevic

But why not to pick someone you are sure gonna ahead him? Last year they draft French wing, Wemby generational friend and teammate of season after now bankrot clubu, dobit they not going to guard now.


AdministrationTop864

That's like saying someone should've taken Nassir little in the top 5. Tools are just tools and you can't guarantee that someone will ever learn to utilize them in a way that creates a productive player


swipabear

he's the next bruno caboclo


BucketsBrooks

Salaun is way too raw of a player to go #2. I think he slides all the way down to the Raptors


GlueGuy00

You misspelled Stephon Castle


paxusromanus811

I mean you're right. People would definitely be surprised...


theyrehiding

I think Ron Holland, Cody Williams, or Stephon Castle is the guy. All project to be really high ceiling if they learn to shoot essentially. They seem like the kinda swings id bet on personally


jkeefy

Cody Williams doesn’t have that high of a ceiling imo. He’s not his brother.


Walmartsavings2

lol Cody Williams ceiling is not that high. Yall are gonna be shocked when he craters out of the top 10.


theyrehiding

I wouldn't be shocked lol. I think he could go anywhere 5-15, but he's also definitely getting a look by the Wizards even though he's a little bit of a stretch. I do believe it's more Castle or Holland for sure, but Williams does have a high ceiling if you assume he makes his brothers kind of leap.


Walmartsavings2

His brother is a way better athlete. Ppl always use the age thing, but no one talks about how much better of an athlete JW is than CW


beefJeRKy-LB

Salaun plays like a headless chicken on defense. He has plenty of energy but he uses it with no purpose at all. And realistically I think Tidjane is going to be much more an offball player than anything else. I think Washington should be going for an awesome ball handler given they only have one lottery pick.


lambopanda

Who?