It is called brown sauce and Heinens used to carry it in the frozen section.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/x7kqwa/brown_sauce_spaghetti_recipe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
No way on Skyline Chili and Ohio chili in general. I've seen people putting peanut butter, cinnamon, multiple Hershey bars etc in their chili and shrugging with an..."It's an Ohio thing. If you didn't grow up here, you don't know."
I tried it when I lived in Cinci-nasty for a few years. I'm pretty open-minded and have had mole sauce plenty of times. There is something about that layered combo that is just awful.
Then again, so is Cincinnati. Once I was done with grad school, I was gone.
You really have a vendetta eh? Not the first time you've posted your Skyline hate. (You: *They put cinnamon in the chili and think it’s superior*).
For what its worth, I don't know any of us who think it's 'superior' and a lot of us don't dig the chili label because of people like you who get worked up over something so trivial. It's a Greek meat sauce over spaghetti. And you haven't even tried it, yet still shit on everyone who likes something you don't. A majority of those people like it because it's comfort food and something they grew up on, not some culinary revolt.
Takes all kinds to make a world. I don't like olives, but I'm not going to "Bitch I don't wanna know" them -- you know, because I've actually tried them and can make an informed opinion.
Take care.
A small piece or 2 of dark chocolate in your chili is a great flavor boost and doesn't overpower anything - just adds a richness you can't quite put your finger on unless you're the cook! :) and a sprinkle of cinnamon adds warmth and depth without adding more spiciness. Those are my "secret" ingredients in one of my chili recipes (3bean w pork and beef) and everyone who tries it says it's the best chili they've ever had! ❤️
Edit: I'm from NE, not Ohio, nor tried cinnicinati chili before. So idk the ratios they're putting in there - definitely easy to add too much of either ingredient and ruin it lol
You should see some of the shit that passes for "food" here but people rave about it like Jesus himself touched with an outrageous price usually. On the other hand, I'm saving quite a bit since I'm not eating out.
Same. We can't find anything decent out. We just cook everything at home and hit up a national chain in desperate moments. We've found one BBQ place we like but it won't knock your socks off. Esp their sauces. 😔
Is this it?
**New York Spaghetti House Brown Sauce Recipe**
Ingredients
1/4 cup all-purpose flour
2 large sized onions chopped
8 garlic cloves minced
3/4 cup olive oil
1 tablespoon salt
1 tablespoon celery salt
2 tablespoons white sugar
3 pounds ground chuck
1 tablespoon dried oregano
1 green bell pepper chopped
1 tablespoon dried basil
1 1/2 tablespoon cayenne pepper
1 pound fresh mushrooms sliced
2 6-ounce cans of tomato paste
2 cups dried wine optional
4 large sized tomatoes chopped
1 1/2 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce
Instructions
Take a large-sized pot and pour olive oil into it. Once the oil is heated to the required temperature, add garlic to it and stir fry it.
Add the ground beef into the stir-fried and browned garlic and also add onions at the same time. Tomatoes should also be added at this point.
Thinly dice the green peppers and spread them into the beef.
You need fully browned beef so fry until the required color is gained. In the meantime, the onions will also get enough softened.
Then make addition of all-purpose flour into the beef mixture and stir well into the beef.
Pour the red wine into it and then stir in the tomato sauce. The tomato sauce is the life of this spaghetti sauce.
Pour the Worcestershire sauce into it and then add sugar.
To add the flavors and seasonings to the sauce sprinkle some salt and then add oregano into it. Then add cayenne pepper and basil into it.
In the whole mixture stir the celery salt.
Once the simmering of your beef sauce is about to end, add the mushrooms, stir, cook and then Serve when air cooled.
[https://food14.com/spaghetti-house-brown-sauce-recipe/](https://food14.com/spaghetti-house-brown-sauce-recipe/)
It's like a tomato sauce for people that don't like tomatoes! It's probably closer to orange than brown, but as long as it tastes "brown" they'll find it acceptable if not 'amazing lol closer to american chili than bolognese and what Cincinnati folks usually call chili but some prefer to add beans. Hence the correlation.
I do know that here in New Zealand what we call Chilli Powder is actually pure powdered chillies rather than a chilli spice mix, so when North Americans move here and try and make their home recipes and grab the packet from the supermarket and use it as they would, what they call chilli powder back home, the results can be bowel shaking.
Sounds tasty! A staple in our kitchen is 90,000shu cayenne. The more common cayenne in the USA is closer to 35,000shu. Maybe these are closer to your chili powder?
Ya, common American chili powder is typically a mix to make chili con carne. In our cupboard we have dried hot peppers from Turkey, Spain (smoked paprika,) and Central America, as well as traditional pepper flakes for pizza, and sweeter paprikas.
Then there are fresh jalapeños & Serranos we keep around. My mum used to pickle hot peppers for my father. I guess I inherited his taste buds?
So many flavors and heat levels!
Now that you mention this, this could explain the 1 and a half tablespoons of cayenne in this recipe, I would bet our NZ cayenne is the 90,000shu type, a typical recipe of this type, we would use 1 teaspoon of cayenne if we were feeling frisky, possibly a bit less if not.
Our chilli powder is not as hot as our cayenne, it's still much hotter than a chilli con carne mix, much much hotter, you could shovel our chili con carne mix in, well I at least I could, so say the recipe called for one sachet of ole el paso chilli con carne or taco seasoning, I'd happily dump in two, but chilli powder you're usually pretty careful with 1-2 teaspoons, cayenne it's more like 1/2 a teaspoon or 1 teaspoon.
And I like spice, so those would be rough figures to general use. Rather than trying to make it super spicy levels.
How long do you need to take the antibiotics before you get the tooth pulled and did you have to get the prescription from a dentist or a GP, I have one and I need the tooth removed soon.
Found these comments on an archived FAQ page:
>Q: Why doesn't the Brown Sauce taste the same as I remember?
>A: The sauces being sold today are based on the original recipes written by Mario Brigotti in 1927. However, when making sauces at the NYSH, the daily fare depended on the particular cook, his interpretation of the recipe and, oddly, the size of his hands. Being European, head chefs in the NYSH historically measured ingredients by handfuls and pinches. Now, the commercial production of our sauces in a frozen state is precisely calculated and consistent. Therefore, with the use of a different thickening agent and a precise formula, the Brigotti family is completely satisfied that the essence of the NYSH is preserved.
>Q: If the Brown Sauce is a meat sauce, where's the meat?
>A: A large quantity of meat is contained in this sauce. In staying with the traditional texture, it is ground to nearly a pureed consistency. In the early days, and until very recent time, meat at the New York Spaghetti House was purchased in whole pieces and cut into servings by the head chef. Then, the extra pieces of the leg of lamb, the fillet of beef, the leg of veal, and the pork that were not suitable for a required portion on an entrée were ground together finely and went into making the brown sauce. Today, only high quality beef and pork are used and, staying true to the original recipe, it too is ground very fine into a pureed consistency after it has been cooked with the some spices, onion, garlic and a small dash of red wine vinegar.
This all sounds like a similar sauce from a restaurant I've been to a few times called Borries in Black Eagle, MT. I don't have the recipe, but this Pinterest post had a copy of a "like" recipe posted in the Great Falls Tribune years ago.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/291185932159860309/
Edit: Correct city name.
Is this it . . .
New York Spaghetti House Brown Sauce Recipe
Recipes, Sauce / By Amelia / August 14, 2022
New York Spaghetti house brown sauce is a heavenly sauce when you toss in basil, thyme, and celery. The sauce is already a hit but the addition of such super ingredients makes it a heavenly spaghetti sauce that can not be made any other way.
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The sauce comprises a long list of ingredients but they all burst into each other to give a blast in the form of this spaghetti sauce. Make this and use it as a topping for your pasta and dishes and your mind will be blown by this outstanding sauce.
INGREDIENTS
1/4 cup all-purpose flour
2 large sized onions, chopped
8 garlic cloves, minced
3/4 cup olive oil
1 tablespoon salt
1 tablespoon celery salt
2 tablespoons white sugar
3 pounds grounded chuck
1 tablespoon dried oregano
1 green bell pepper, chopped
1 tablespoon dried basil
1 1/2 tablespoon cayenne pepper
1 pound fresh mushrooms, sliced
2 (6-ounce) cans of tomato paste
2 cups dried wine (optional)
4 large sized tomatoes, chopped
1 1/2 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce
Method To Make Yummy Spaghetti House Brown Sauce
Take a large-sized pot and pour olive oil into it. Once the oil is heated to the required temperature, add garlic to it and stir fry it.
Add the grounded beef into the stir-fried and browned garlic and also add onions at the same time. Tomatoes should also be added at this point.
Thinly dice the green peppers and spread them into the beef.
You need fully browned beef so fry until the required color is gained. In the meantime, the onions will also get enough softened.
Then make addition of all-purpose flour into the beef mixture and stir well into the beef.
Pour the red wine into it and then stir in the tomato sauce. The tomato sauce is the life of this spaghetti sauce.
Pour the Worcestershire sauce into it and then add sugar.
To add the flavors and seasonings to the sauce sprinkle some salt and then add oregano into it. Then add cayenne pepper and basil into it.
In the whole mixture stir the celery salt.
Once the simmering of your beef sauce is about to end, add the mushrooms, stir, cook and then Serve when air cooled.
It is called brown sauce and Heinens used to carry it in the frozen section. https://www.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/x7kqwa/brown_sauce_spaghetti_recipe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
We did try the heinens version years ago…. Ahh for us it just wasn’t the same.
That was Aurora Sauce. Not the same place.
Man, Ohio just commits spaghetti crimes left and right
I take it you're not a Skyline fan.
No way on Skyline Chili and Ohio chili in general. I've seen people putting peanut butter, cinnamon, multiple Hershey bars etc in their chili and shrugging with an..."It's an Ohio thing. If you didn't grow up here, you don't know."
I grew up in Ohio and it's not a whole state thing. It's for heretics in the southwest of the state.
I tried it when I lived in Cinci-nasty for a few years. I'm pretty open-minded and have had mole sauce plenty of times. There is something about that layered combo that is just awful. Then again, so is Cincinnati. Once I was done with grad school, I was gone.
Or the disgusting Kentucky Hot Brown they made me try. I still have nightmares.
I love being a heretic.
You really have a vendetta eh? Not the first time you've posted your Skyline hate. (You: *They put cinnamon in the chili and think it’s superior*). For what its worth, I don't know any of us who think it's 'superior' and a lot of us don't dig the chili label because of people like you who get worked up over something so trivial. It's a Greek meat sauce over spaghetti. And you haven't even tried it, yet still shit on everyone who likes something you don't. A majority of those people like it because it's comfort food and something they grew up on, not some culinary revolt. Takes all kinds to make a world. I don't like olives, but I'm not going to "Bitch I don't wanna know" them -- you know, because I've actually tried them and can make an informed opinion. Take care.
A small piece or 2 of dark chocolate in your chili is a great flavor boost and doesn't overpower anything - just adds a richness you can't quite put your finger on unless you're the cook! :) and a sprinkle of cinnamon adds warmth and depth without adding more spiciness. Those are my "secret" ingredients in one of my chili recipes (3bean w pork and beef) and everyone who tries it says it's the best chili they've ever had! ❤️ Edit: I'm from NE, not Ohio, nor tried cinnicinati chili before. So idk the ratios they're putting in there - definitely easy to add too much of either ingredient and ruin it lol
Yeah but Hersheys never improved anything. That chocolate tastes like barf.
You should see some of the shit that passes for "food" here but people rave about it like Jesus himself touched with an outrageous price usually. On the other hand, I'm saving quite a bit since I'm not eating out.
the only good regional food I’ve had since we moved here from Louisiana is the food I’ve cooked myself
You in Cleveland or around it? Have you been to House of Creole?
Same. We can't find anything decent out. We just cook everything at home and hit up a national chain in desperate moments. We've found one BBQ place we like but it won't knock your socks off. Esp their sauces. 😔
TRUTH. Skyline is just NASTY.
Native Texan. Love rodeo chili. Love Skyline. I'll murder a 5-way any time I'm in Ohio. Even vegan chili is delicious.
Is this it? **New York Spaghetti House Brown Sauce Recipe** Ingredients 1/4 cup all-purpose flour 2 large sized onions chopped 8 garlic cloves minced 3/4 cup olive oil 1 tablespoon salt 1 tablespoon celery salt 2 tablespoons white sugar 3 pounds ground chuck 1 tablespoon dried oregano 1 green bell pepper chopped 1 tablespoon dried basil 1 1/2 tablespoon cayenne pepper 1 pound fresh mushrooms sliced 2 6-ounce cans of tomato paste 2 cups dried wine optional 4 large sized tomatoes chopped 1 1/2 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce Instructions Take a large-sized pot and pour olive oil into it. Once the oil is heated to the required temperature, add garlic to it and stir fry it. Add the ground beef into the stir-fried and browned garlic and also add onions at the same time. Tomatoes should also be added at this point. Thinly dice the green peppers and spread them into the beef. You need fully browned beef so fry until the required color is gained. In the meantime, the onions will also get enough softened. Then make addition of all-purpose flour into the beef mixture and stir well into the beef. Pour the red wine into it and then stir in the tomato sauce. The tomato sauce is the life of this spaghetti sauce. Pour the Worcestershire sauce into it and then add sugar. To add the flavors and seasonings to the sauce sprinkle some salt and then add oregano into it. Then add cayenne pepper and basil into it. In the whole mixture stir the celery salt. Once the simmering of your beef sauce is about to end, add the mushrooms, stir, cook and then Serve when air cooled. [https://food14.com/spaghetti-house-brown-sauce-recipe/](https://food14.com/spaghetti-house-brown-sauce-recipe/)
I’ll try it out! Thanks a lot!
I wonder what "dried wine" means. I also wonder if the sauce actually has a brown color, as the name says.
It likely means a dry i.e. not sweet wine
It is supposed to be dry wine because the ingredients mention the red wine. She also wrote groundED beef which I corrected.
It's like a tomato sauce for people that don't like tomatoes! It's probably closer to orange than brown, but as long as it tastes "brown" they'll find it acceptable if not 'amazing lol closer to american chili than bolognese and what Cincinnati folks usually call chili but some prefer to add beans. Hence the correlation.
Thanks for the detailed clarification. It does bring up another perplexing food item, namely the Cincinnati chili that I've heard about.
Cincinnati chili is just a variation of Greek chili. It's nothing special.
A dry red or a dry white? Seems like that would be pretty important to know. This entire recipe has broken English I don't have high hopes for it
Probably just a white wine powder or red wine powder? That's just dried wine.
Lol no. It’s a typo of “dry wine”. Creative thought though!
Dry red
1 and a half tablespoons of cayenne seems a little over the top?
Not in this house.
I do know that here in New Zealand what we call Chilli Powder is actually pure powdered chillies rather than a chilli spice mix, so when North Americans move here and try and make their home recipes and grab the packet from the supermarket and use it as they would, what they call chilli powder back home, the results can be bowel shaking.
Sounds tasty! A staple in our kitchen is 90,000shu cayenne. The more common cayenne in the USA is closer to 35,000shu. Maybe these are closer to your chili powder? Ya, common American chili powder is typically a mix to make chili con carne. In our cupboard we have dried hot peppers from Turkey, Spain (smoked paprika,) and Central America, as well as traditional pepper flakes for pizza, and sweeter paprikas. Then there are fresh jalapeños & Serranos we keep around. My mum used to pickle hot peppers for my father. I guess I inherited his taste buds? So many flavors and heat levels!
Now that you mention this, this could explain the 1 and a half tablespoons of cayenne in this recipe, I would bet our NZ cayenne is the 90,000shu type, a typical recipe of this type, we would use 1 teaspoon of cayenne if we were feeling frisky, possibly a bit less if not. Our chilli powder is not as hot as our cayenne, it's still much hotter than a chilli con carne mix, much much hotter, you could shovel our chili con carne mix in, well I at least I could, so say the recipe called for one sachet of ole el paso chilli con carne or taco seasoning, I'd happily dump in two, but chilli powder you're usually pretty careful with 1-2 teaspoons, cayenne it's more like 1/2 a teaspoon or 1 teaspoon. And I like spice, so those would be rough figures to general use. Rather than trying to make it super spicy levels.
I’m sitting here, with a tooth abscess I’m medicating. All this hot pepper talk is making my tummy have hunger rumbles. :D
How long do you need to take the antibiotics before you get the tooth pulled and did you have to get the prescription from a dentist or a GP, I have one and I need the tooth removed soon.
It does. I would do 1 1/2 tsps. Hey, I never made this. Just found it for OP.
That was what I was thinking, it would also be a similar amount to similar recipes, usually when they mention cayenne it's always in teaspoons.
Found these comments on an archived FAQ page: >Q: Why doesn't the Brown Sauce taste the same as I remember? >A: The sauces being sold today are based on the original recipes written by Mario Brigotti in 1927. However, when making sauces at the NYSH, the daily fare depended on the particular cook, his interpretation of the recipe and, oddly, the size of his hands. Being European, head chefs in the NYSH historically measured ingredients by handfuls and pinches. Now, the commercial production of our sauces in a frozen state is precisely calculated and consistent. Therefore, with the use of a different thickening agent and a precise formula, the Brigotti family is completely satisfied that the essence of the NYSH is preserved. >Q: If the Brown Sauce is a meat sauce, where's the meat? >A: A large quantity of meat is contained in this sauce. In staying with the traditional texture, it is ground to nearly a pureed consistency. In the early days, and until very recent time, meat at the New York Spaghetti House was purchased in whole pieces and cut into servings by the head chef. Then, the extra pieces of the leg of lamb, the fillet of beef, the leg of veal, and the pork that were not suitable for a required portion on an entrée were ground together finely and went into making the brown sauce. Today, only high quality beef and pork are used and, staying true to the original recipe, it too is ground very fine into a pureed consistency after it has been cooked with the some spices, onion, garlic and a small dash of red wine vinegar.
The different types of meat would also affect the flavor.
try r/Cleveland.
https://food14.com/spaghetti-house-brown-sauce-recipe/
Is this any help? https://food14.com/spaghetti-house-brown-sauce-recipe/
That's the same one.
This all sounds like a similar sauce from a restaurant I've been to a few times called Borries in Black Eagle, MT. I don't have the recipe, but this Pinterest post had a copy of a "like" recipe posted in the Great Falls Tribune years ago. https://www.pinterest.com/pin/291185932159860309/ Edit: Correct city name.
Is this it . . . New York Spaghetti House Brown Sauce Recipe Recipes, Sauce / By Amelia / August 14, 2022 New York Spaghetti house brown sauce is a heavenly sauce when you toss in basil, thyme, and celery. The sauce is already a hit but the addition of such super ingredients makes it a heavenly spaghetti sauce that can not be made any other way. Quick Navigation show The sauce comprises a long list of ingredients but they all burst into each other to give a blast in the form of this spaghetti sauce. Make this and use it as a topping for your pasta and dishes and your mind will be blown by this outstanding sauce. INGREDIENTS 1/4 cup all-purpose flour 2 large sized onions, chopped 8 garlic cloves, minced 3/4 cup olive oil 1 tablespoon salt 1 tablespoon celery salt 2 tablespoons white sugar 3 pounds grounded chuck 1 tablespoon dried oregano 1 green bell pepper, chopped 1 tablespoon dried basil 1 1/2 tablespoon cayenne pepper 1 pound fresh mushrooms, sliced 2 (6-ounce) cans of tomato paste 2 cups dried wine (optional) 4 large sized tomatoes, chopped 1 1/2 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce Method To Make Yummy Spaghetti House Brown Sauce Take a large-sized pot and pour olive oil into it. Once the oil is heated to the required temperature, add garlic to it and stir fry it. Add the grounded beef into the stir-fried and browned garlic and also add onions at the same time. Tomatoes should also be added at this point. Thinly dice the green peppers and spread them into the beef. You need fully browned beef so fry until the required color is gained. In the meantime, the onions will also get enough softened. Then make addition of all-purpose flour into the beef mixture and stir well into the beef. Pour the red wine into it and then stir in the tomato sauce. The tomato sauce is the life of this spaghetti sauce. Pour the Worcestershire sauce into it and then add sugar. To add the flavors and seasonings to the sauce sprinkle some salt and then add oregano into it. Then add cayenne pepper and basil into it. In the whole mixture stir the celery salt. Once the simmering of your beef sauce is about to end, add the mushrooms, stir, cook and then Serve when air cooled.