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SwiftBlueShell

Meowscarada’s. That passive’s 60s cd is just too low when combined with double team on an 8s cd or Trailblaze at 6.5s cd. I genuinely don’t feel like meow ever outplays me when they have get out of jail free cards on such low cooldowns. At least with glaceon it’s only that passive and it procs on any cc so you can poke it and waste it. You can’t waste meow’s since it’s an Hp condition.


GuppyMcBuppy

Completely agree. They can reposition and attack you right after the passive procks too


bettadoom

After the passive is popped, meow also heals based on damage dealt. Pair that with the unite move and..


AquAffinity_0425

I agree with Meow. But for Glaceon, the fact that it resets everytime they respawn just doesn’t make sense to me, especially for an ability given to an attacker


SwiftBlueShell

Yeah that is silly. But when all it takes is a red buff and one basic to break it I just don’t think it’s on the level of meow’s considering all the escape options it already has on top of it.


AquAffinity_0425

Yeah, true. Also with little mobility with Glaceon depending on the build, it can’t just simply escape unlike Meowscarada. But still, for me, both passives need to be nerfed


bazookakeith

I can’t count how many times we’ve lost a clash because of a meowscarada’s passive saving it and then emerging from it with its unite move. I don’t mind the effect but the duration and the cd is just so broken


Inside_Ad5434

Plus the damage and life steal boosts


Inside_Ad5434

I’ve stopped playing meow cause it’s unethical at this point same with leafeon only when I’m having a really bad day


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The problem with Glaceon's passive is it usually triggers on the global cooldown of whatever triggered it (such as an auto with Red Buff), and its effect ends the moment the enemy regains the ability to attack again. Then, you have to die/int (read: give a huge lump of overleveled ADC XP to the enemy) to force an early reset, or else it's completely useless while on that fat 70 s cooldown. For a mon who's deleted instantly and needs 4-5 seconds to complete her combo, buying 0.5 s of time just doesn't cut it in most situations. I've seen a few rare moments where it flipped an entire teamfight, though, so it can be really bloody good sometimes. I still wish it were something that I personally had more control over as a player and/or was always somehow useful (like Sylveon's passive) and doesn't spend 90 percent of the game on CD where it doesn't add anything to my play.


One_Astronaut3836

Skowbro's Oblivious paired with Amnesia. Uses Amnesia and forgets how to die.


dfinkelstein

[It seems you've forgotten how to die...](https://imgur.com/a/vZ0AHZL) It's janky af and I screwed it up bad, but good enough.


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MoisnForce2004

We're talking about Ability/Passive here, not moves in general


Ajthefan

Any inv ability like meow and the eevees and that alr broken


Or-So-They-Say

I'd say Cute Charm. 8 second cooldown and interrupts so many engagements. You can counter certain Pokemon, like Pursuit Absol, just by standing menacingly next to their intended target and doing nothing.


RE0RGE

I honestly believe Wiggly's passive is one of the reasons of her not receiving more significant buffs. Like it's so extremely strong and can counters lots of overtuned/popular melee characters.


Throwedaway99837

Yes. Wiggly is so annoying to deal with that they’d have to tread really carefully if they buffed it. Honestly if it was tankier I believe it would be S-tier in draft.


AkainuWasRight

Can’t believe I had to scroll so far to see this. Like this game already had so much cc and they had to make a passive one……


_Lifted_Lorax

Yeah, no arguments. Special shout-out to X-Scissor Crustle and Drill Peck Dodrio. I've got a few clips of Cute Charm being ridiculous. My favourite was when Solar Beam Venusaur was about to secure Regi but got Cute Charmed and missed.


MoisnForce2004

Yep, I am even terrified when I play VSwitch Zeraora and DDance Dragapult because I can completely get forced out of my move from it. Just by initiating the battle for my allies. This applies with other Pokemons I sometimes play like NSlash Zoroark and SSneak Sableye.


Kaprosuchusboi

Glad to see other people realize how frustrating that ability can be. If it was on a character with better tools it’d be busted


Infamous-Ads

Not to mention disables like sing and rollout and also the boosted auto attack


Rings-Unbound

Glaceon’s is ridiculous. How can a passive negate a unite move or act like a score shield wtf


KazuyaSan

That's true. This op unstoppable/invisibility passive must be nerfed to the ground


Throwedaway99837

Espeon/Glaceon/Umbreon all have crazy passives, but Glaceon’s is just absolutely busted. Passive I-frames after a free automatic full heal is just stupid.


HeraldPrime

What does that mean?


Throwedaway99837

Glaceon gets a free automatic cleanse of all hinderances along with 0.5 second of invincibility whenever any CC is applied to them. It has a 70s cooldown, but it resets after it dies.


NINTSKARI

Whose unite moves does it negate?


Worthintendo

Anything that CCs if imagine, Blastoises for example


NINTSKARI

What about Slowbro?


RE0RGE

Slowbro's unite move is not just regular CC. It's bound. And it hits anything that is not untargetable/invincible.


NINTSKARI

But doesn't Glaceon passive make it invincible? Just thinking I don't think I've ever seen the interaction


Throwedaway99837

Yes, but Bound doesn’t count as regular CC so it doesn’t trigger the passive. Slowbro Unite only won’t work during the few I-frames after the passive is triggered.


NINTSKARI

Ok ok got it, thanks :)


MoisnForce2004

I thought it procs Glaceon's Passive but instantly loses it because of the Bound. Like some weird interactions. This also happens to Meowscarada's Passive as well when proc'ed.


Lizard_Queen_Says

The Eevees' Meowscarada Lucario's and Wigglytuff's hover between extremely annoying and just good Slowbro's, especially with Amnesia and Potion


Splatty06

Lucario's? I've been playing Lucario recently but what does his passive do?


Lizard_Queen_Says

When he hits below 50% HP, he gets a shield and also some movement speed.


HeraldPrime

Lucario's passive grants him unbelievable stacking abilities as it can afford to overextend, but it kind of loses relevance late game, so I, personally, think that lucario's passive is balanced.


Bearable97

Slowbro Amnesia and potion 👀🤣


DiegoG2004

The funny answer is Mew because it literally defines the character (the Move Reset part, Synchronize is barely noticeable) But I have to agree with the comments, it's Meowscarada. This character with very low cooldowns, resets on KO (which will happen since both of its murder options are auto aim), auto crits if it so wishes and a circle of death for an ult can just go invisible and invincible when it hits half health (due to speedster bulk, in 1 or two hits) and *still* be allowed to hit you without breaking the invisibility. While also making said circle of death lag behind because they're invisible and stealth vision on Unite is whack. Which is likely the reason for every other instance of stealth breaking the moment a hit happens (and why Inteleon's is not actually stealth)


MoisnForce2004

I forgot what Synchronize did outside of swapping moves? It has been so long since I looked up his ability.


DiegoG2004

After using a move, Mew and nearby allies get an inconsequential movement speed boost.


MoisnForce2004

Okay, so that is why I never notice it.


bettadoom

Imagine venu having move reset, beamu gets dived then switches to petal saur


SuperGIoo

Cute. Charm.


abaddon626

The eevees and urshifu imo Also goodra has two passives for no reason.


InfinityJeVortex

What is urshifu's passive?


CarterLam1014

Partially ignores shields Yes it can hit you through ray shield so you cant score even if you have it.


Thisblackguy17

Ttar also has that. I've used sand tomb to stop scores after the enemy team takes Ray


CarterLam1014

Yes but its not ttar's ability, its his moves that do true damage or ancient power piercing that is hitting through Shields.


Michigan_Man101

eevee


The_Spiciest_Avocado

Why isn't everyone talking about sableye?? Passive invis, without even considering the speed buff and the cc on boosted coming out of stealth, will always be crazy good. Buffs coming soon fellow gremlins 🤡


TripleFinish

Put that on anything else and it becomes the best Pokémon in the game.


DiegoG2004

Yeah that passive defines our playstyle


RE0RGE

Because he's nothing without his passive. The same way Dodrio is nothing without his.


MoisnForce2004

I love our passive and I use it to destroy my allies and enemies time.


NotFunnyBee

Must believe in buffs


HeraldPrime

Copium


bazookakeith

It’s annoying yes. Hardly a factor for turning a clash into your team’s favor. Unlike meowscarada’s passive that can turn any clash into the opposing team’s favor with that cd and invulnerability and mobility.


Terrible-Raspberry30

Tbh any passive that ignores hindrances and meow's passive. Meow just disappears then can heal as it eats your HP bar for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and dessert. And the ignoring hindrances is just...why


MysticalLight50

Goodra has a top tier passive and still manages to be bad 😭 (mf has 3 for some god forsaken reason)


MoisnForce2004

Either Glaceon just because of how short the passive it or Meowscarada just because of the stupidity of her ability. Glaceon's passive is shorter than both Espeon's Magic Bounce and Duraludon's Heavy Metal. Sadly, Dura's Heavy Metal don't give him anything else than Stun Immunity to one move. And Glaceon has exactly Meowscarada's Overgrow without the set condition, shorter cooldown, and no special attack increase. Meowscarada'a Overgrow is so overloaded. 60 seconds cooldown (very short because of this part), increased attack, invisibility, and a few frames of invincibility. Like, why?


RedMageExpert

Hard to say as every passive is unique in their own way.


schwasound

It’s definitely not Gengar that is the most broken.


Comprehensive_Buy898

The answer isnt Beast Boost but since Im biased Im saying Beast Boost.


Lizard_Queen_Says

It's one of those passives that really helps you out or has zero impact in any given fight but is never "bad". Sometimes I can get a KO then dip on low health or easily reach the next target for more KOs. Other times I'm not really able to do anything more with it and it peters out.


Thelegendarysandy

What is zacians passive


Lizard_Queen_Says

Long story short, she uses Aeos Energy to charge her attacks and moves to make them stronger. The more Energy used, the stronger the passive's effects are.


NotFunnyBee

I don't get why other ex mons have just slapped aeos energy onto their passive, why the whole "uses aeos energy" if Mewtwo can mega evolve without it, hardon engine will still put up electric terrain. Zacian needs aeos energy to function, while others have slightly cooler effects if aeos energy is used but work regardless of whether they use energy or not.


Lizard_Queen_Says

I guess it's a limp-wristed attempt to "balance" them so in theory players have to choose between burning Aeos Energy to avoid being able to make big dunks as often as others can... but in practice Rayquaza decides most matches... 🤷‍♂️ And as you say, Zacian relies way, way more on Energy reserves compared to the others.


Thelegendarysandy

Technically speaking thats the strongest passive right


Lizard_Queen_Says

Depends on what you define as "strong". It has a large drawback, which is that it forces you to choose between scoring big and making yourself weaker or sacrificing a big dunk to win fights. Some say the Eevees have the best passive because they all basically have a Full Heal for free. People that main melee mons hate Wigglytuff because Cute Charm CCs them just by her existing basically lol. It's entirely possible for a Wigglytuff player to have no idea whatsoever what Cute Charm does but CC enemies anyway lol.


Thelegendarysandy

Not using zacians passive is just actively throwing. Zacian’s passive is what makes her a character at all


Lizard_Queen_Says

Not using it at all would be yeah and trust me, I've seen Zacian players that probably don't know it exists so they don't lol. Any Zacian main worth their salt will basically ensure they have good Aeos reserves at all times and probably only dunk after winning Rayquaza or to save a very close match. If you think about it, they could blow all their Aeos Energy to win major fights. Rayquaza gives you more Energy and dead enemies tend to drop decent amounts so the Zacian player can just stock up on that to dunk if they absolutely need to.


Opposite-Constant329

People forgetting that the eevees stole Duraludon and Blissey’s passive.


DinoRipper24

Ok this is a genuine question - what does Liquidation even do for Water Bear?


Lizard_Queen_Says

Liquidation isn't a passive, it's one of his cooldown moves... but to answer your question it damages and decreases Defence of enemies hit by it and gives Urshifu a shield. The shield's strength depends on how many enemies were hit. Basically there to use between Surging Strikes chains and to soften targets up for Surging Strikes or Unite move. I'm hardly a good Urshifu so I'm probably not making the most of Liquidation but honestly I don't think it makes a dramatic difference. Urshifu has two different passive depending on which Style you go with.


DinoRipper24

It has such an elaborate description yet it feels like nothing on the field. Feels useless, because I've never seen it so anything.


hannahofdawn

Wiggly


Dragonaf

I've always been a fan of Gengars built in float stone - meaning you have 1 slot open to either build an instant kill death goblin or improve recharge time if you are know to miss.


monster3339

as much as i hate to admit it, meowscarada's is pretty busted, if not The Most Busted. its not just the invisibility: its the fact that its invisibility PLUS 20% damage increase PLUS 20% lifesteal, all with only a 60s cooldown. the invisibility alone is great when you gotta skedaddle (especially combined with trailblaze/double team), but the fact that you also have the potential to just reposition a little before reappearing and devouring whatever is unfortunate enough to be in front of you is pretty bonkers lol like, i LOVE it, because meowmeow is my main, but... yeahhhhh id understand if they gave my passive a lil nerf (just dont gut it; its a really cool passive!)


RedsGamingEmpire

I think someone already explained it well for Meowscarada. If there is another which I think is broken, it's Mew. Movement speed increase on move usage + unite cooldown reduction on using move swap. The move swap cooldown is also reduced everytime you score or kill someone. And the move swap itself is a very cool playstyle. Why playing Mew is hard(except the mechanics of move swap) is because you need to start doing a lot more stuff post getting your Unite, and it's hard to be this confrontational in solo Q when you have low hp and have no Defenders in lane. Lol


feezhen

Sableye permanent invisible. No other pokemon's passive comes even close to this.


BigDeep4523

Meowscarda


feezhen

Not close at all. The invisible effect of meowscarda is limited to team fights. The permanent invisibility of Sableye enables the rat/score play style, providing vision for teams and setting up ganks.


monster3339

huh? overgrow isnt limited to teamfights. it procs regardless of the number of opponents. ive even had embarrassing situations where its been proc'd by farm, ahaha... i agree that its not fair to compare it to prankster for a variety of reasons, but the invisibility from overgrow is insanely useful.


Noobjesus

I'll say one for each role Attacker imma go with Long Reach Defender I think either Oblivious or Natural Cure All rounder I'll Say Unseen Fists cause Shields are nothing to it Supporter either Cute Charm or Prankster Speedster Volt absorb cause it's just Weakness Policy


Rud_gamer

Long reach is simple strong but balanced because it's on deci


Noobjesus

Imagine if it was on something like Glaceon tho


Rud_gamer

Which is why it is balance because it's not on glaceon but on decidueye