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The main difference couldn't be more obvious. "Armed." They can do whatever they want to unarmed people, but if they come at a pack of people with assault rifles they'll have to actually put themselves in danger.
Lesson should've been learned during Occupy. Cops only respect force. If you aren't capable of violence, their default response will be violence. If you have the capacity to commit violence, they will be forced to respect you, even if they hate you.
It's partly a product of poor training and the people who become cops. Then they go to work with officers who are like these and you get more of this behavior.
I guess you protest peacefully, but armed as much as possible.
That's my point, though. One side is being unilaterally disarmed. They are stripped of their capacity for proportional response to violence and thus the response to their presence *is disproportionate violence.*
There cannot be good faith because the power is all on one side.
Well, the Black Panthers were also Black. I don't think we have clear data on how cops would handle a large group of mostly-white liberals protesting with guns. More testing needed.
Actually, we do, and racially exclusive movements are not the path to liberation, regardless:
https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/weather-underground-bombings
I think you mean well, but TBH, it's hard enough to imagine a white, liberal vanguard, let alone one that doesn't immediately descend into a white savior project.
I was just commenting on the fact that the protestors getting arrested in the video on the left were mostly-white and, thus, the Black Panthers aren't a great comparison for how they are likely to be treated by cops.
I got that. My point was that while lesser in number, white leftists have historically and presently been brutalized and arrested whenever the cross race and class boundaries in their activism. If these were armed leftists we are discussing, they'd be treated better then armed BIPOC activists, but not because the common thread is fear of violence. The common thread here is that the role of police in society is to serve the interests of capital, and in America, like any settler colonial state, those interests are inseverable from racism.
I guess those students should arm themselves. Seems like they don't want to pick a fight with someone with some ability to fight back.
Also, racist bastards.
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The main difference couldn't be more obvious. "Armed." They can do whatever they want to unarmed people, but if they come at a pack of people with assault rifles they'll have to actually put themselves in danger.
Lesson should've been learned during Occupy. Cops only respect force. If you aren't capable of violence, their default response will be violence. If you have the capacity to commit violence, they will be forced to respect you, even if they hate you.
It's partly a product of poor training and the people who become cops. Then they go to work with officers who are like these and you get more of this behavior. I guess you protest peacefully, but armed as much as possible.
Guns should not be allowed at protests.
Disarmament only works if both sides agree to it in good faith.
No, you need a permit to protest in certain places, and they have banned firearms. There is no good faith involved.
That's my point, though. One side is being unilaterally disarmed. They are stripped of their capacity for proportional response to violence and thus the response to their presence *is disproportionate violence.* There cannot be good faith because the power is all on one side.
Tell that to the Black Panthers. The difference here is the cops are on the side of the Nazis.
Well, the Black Panthers were also Black. I don't think we have clear data on how cops would handle a large group of mostly-white liberals protesting with guns. More testing needed.
Actually, we do, and racially exclusive movements are not the path to liberation, regardless: https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/weather-underground-bombings
Who said anything about racial exclusivity?
I think you mean well, but TBH, it's hard enough to imagine a white, liberal vanguard, let alone one that doesn't immediately descend into a white savior project.
I was just commenting on the fact that the protestors getting arrested in the video on the left were mostly-white and, thus, the Black Panthers aren't a great comparison for how they are likely to be treated by cops.
I got that. My point was that while lesser in number, white leftists have historically and presently been brutalized and arrested whenever the cross race and class boundaries in their activism. If these were armed leftists we are discussing, they'd be treated better then armed BIPOC activists, but not because the common thread is fear of violence. The common thread here is that the role of police in society is to serve the interests of capital, and in America, like any settler colonial state, those interests are inseverable from racism.
Agreed. And yet, I think it's still worth doing.
I guess those students should arm themselves. Seems like they don't want to pick a fight with someone with some ability to fight back. Also, racist bastards.
Are we surprised? There's probably cops under those neo Nazi masks; they'll never lift a dinner against their own kind. ACAB.
That about says it all!
It IS controversial to attack the mentally disabled... That's my only explanation.
Columbus is obviously racist
This is Columbus in Ohio, not Columbia in New York.
Feel better, hope you get well soon
You edited your post.
I don’t get the point you’re making, there’s the same number of cops in both videos
This needs to be on top
Those anti-Semites clearly need to learn to discipline themselve and treat the police with proper respect, /s