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Sleazus-

Looks like Elk Capstone. They don't make it anymore so it's easy to get insurance to pay for a full replacement and it's expensive so they will pay out for a high quality replacement. If you don't need a new roof, don't worry about it.


liddlez

Makes sense! The guy was so excited, everything sounded like blabbering! šŸ¤£ I have no plans to replace my roof, as itā€™s completely fine! And I love the pattern of it! I researched ā€œelk capstoneā€ and sure enough, thatā€™s it! This whole time I thought it was regular shingles with a different layout. Didnā€™t know they were ā€œdesignerā€ thank you!


cltbull

You need 2 dated shingles and you will get a brand new roof through your homeowners Insurance.


November9999

Ha. Itā€™s an expensive shingle and discontinued. Read: 100% chance of insurance approving a claim, high profit job. In all seriousness file a claim before they force you into a 2% deductible.


Aggravating_Vast_777

This is the correct advise. Wait for your opportunity and then take advantage of the claim process. There needs to be wind/hail damage and coverage will need to be opened on the actual shingle for you to win at their game. Donā€™t show all your cards at the beginning to the insurance company and pull your ace (shingle identification report) when needed, after the adjuster has provided his first report. Make sure that whomever you are working with is knowledgeable on this and has been through this process before. If not, it can get messy for you as the insured.


Thepenismighteather

Just give it to the adjuster if and when you file the claim. Itā€™s not a game. We actually prefer to pay if we can justify it, itā€™s less work to pay than it is to deny. Also typically, fulfilling the basic tenant of the policyā€”having damageā€”isnā€™t what Iā€™d call ā€œwinning at their gameā€. Roofers, always finding ways to be scumbags.


VariousPaint4453

Sounds like you are encouraging him to commit insurance fraud ....


November9999

Go onā€¦Iā€™d love to hear this!


pickinbanjo

That chimney flashing tho...


Shad26street

They spent all the money on the shingles didnā€™t have anything left over for the flashing. best they could do


MatchWilling562

I know I was like how can the rod be so gold with a flashing job like that šŸ˜…


[deleted]

Whatā€™s wrong with it?


solaredgesucks

I dont see any reglet or counterflashing cut into the brick/mortar...water will run down the chimney behind whats there


[deleted]

Youā€™re right, I didnā€™t look at the top close enough, just saw an attempt. Good eye! My old roofer called reglet flashing ā€œtucker metalā€


MatchWilling562

Personally donā€™t even look at the brick work first. I look at the flashing job and if the flashing is done properly than Iā€™ll take a look at the brickwork, but if the flashing is shit I donā€™t bother because the mason didnā€™t care enough to do the flashing good enough (which is crucial) so I donā€™t waste my time to look because they probably were rushing and head joints wonā€™t line up, weepers might not even be in or sloppy and might as well not be there, corner is out, whatever it could be a million things but the flashing is super important!!


deer-eater

Yes you have an expensive shingle that's not worth the price. And also looks like they are installed incorrectly


GiraffeChaser

Sorry to bug you but what appears incorrect?


deer-eater

The seems on the shingles. I mostly sell certainteed and gaf on my jobs. And there is no shingle that I know of that should be laid with less than 5 or 6 inches from the seems. Not saying your roof is failing or going to fail. I've seen some crazy stuff over the decades. And what's crazy now is this ice shield scam. But I guess you have the make insurance companies happy


GiraffeChaser

Are you a roofer or a salesman


Manaqueer

Salesman


deer-eater

I was on the roofs for over 20 years. Even when I started my company. The way it works is that you don't make money by being on the roof. You make money by having people work for you. I have 3 great crews and it took years to find these guys. I went through hundreds of people. It just seems like it's hard for people to understand that there is one way to do things and that is the right way


delcoBK

When you say ice shield scam what do you mean?


McSmells

Can you elaborate on the ice shield scam?


Such_Bus_4930

Apparently, he thinks bringing a roof up to code is a scam


TRiP_OW

Bro thinks valley metal is the way


AbbreviationsTop4126

Mmmm ice cream


deer-eater

Back in the day, the roofs we tore off never had ice shields, and they were perfectly fine. And nowadays, the quality of shingles has gone up huge. If you have ice dams, you have a ventilation problem. I'm not saying it doesn't work. It does help out alot of these hack roofers because the homeowner won't notice a leak for a good bit of time


Hunter_Ev

Arenā€™t most CT designer shingles a 4 1/2ā€ rack method?


deer-eater

I'm talking about the veryicle seams


Bipolar-Burrito

Please elaborate. Early in my career I installed a lot of Elk.


Ok_Professional9174

It seems wrong two you?


deer-eater

Yes just look over their


Deeznutz1818

GAF products are trash.


deer-eater

Ford is better than Chevy.


deer-eater

Why?


r00fMod

Discontinued GAF Elk . Means itā€™s easier to get approved


theEnviedPenis

This is a rare ā€œpre approvedā€ roof šŸ˜‚


Serious_Database_836

Theyā€™re premium shingles. Theyā€™re not special tho.


Such_Bus_4930

Itā€™s a discontinued premium shingle. If a roofer can find damage more than your deductible your insurance company will be forced to buy you an entire roof. Nothing wrong with using this angle from a roofers perspective, you should get your attic inspected to see if there are leaks rotting the decking or more serious leaks. Aside from that you wouldnā€™t need a new roof but if you have leaks you would qualify for a more modern premium roof that will better protect your home from damage. Think of it this way, your insurance company doesnā€™t want to buy you a new roof and if they agree to do so itā€™s probably because you actually need one. Not everything is a scam even if roofers look for opportunities to make a much higher profit, just because we maximize profit doesnā€™t mean itā€™s wrong. Roofers arenā€™t lobbying congressman to pass laws, insurance companies are. Please do not fault us because we ultimately work within the system that was not created by us.


Cute_Culture6865

Nothing


JGalla88

Designer shingle


yurisnellbaker

Itā€™s a discontinued designer. This may qualify you for premium discounts depending on location/carrier.


Intelligent_Cook_208

Did the sales person also have a neck tattoo?


liddlez

Nope. He actually looked like Larry the cable guy.


jdunaga

Nothing. Looks like it needs replaced and cleaned


Different_Ad7655

Haha every time I look at roofing I just scratch my head and wonder how America got cheated out of real roofing , tile. I keep hoping to see some new items, new concepts that will really bring roofing into the 21st century but really not yet. Asphalt no matter what it is always looks like shit but it's the American gold standard go figure.. There are a few states that have some good examples of old tile, Pennsylvania, West Virginia even saw some in Kentucky. Boy I wish that stuff were still available, frequently used and the price would come down


Ok_Professional9174

We have tile, it's just rare.


Different_Ad7655

Right I travel a lot and look at houses a lot from Pasadena CA to NorthernNew England. I am familiar where it is and see it on occasion in certain pockets on houses largely before world war II. Just never understand why it never caught as the only material for roofing as it has in Europe I know it's expensive, it is there too but it is the only roof you put on a house then or now.. In New England where I live it was once all cedar shakes or slate up until the early 20th century. There was always a myth that tile cannot be used in cold snowy climates but of course That is pure garbage. You just need the right tile, the right kind of density and the right style that's all. Plenty of snowy icy places in Europe with delicious tile all over them. I have relatives in Poland and when I go there there are a lot of decrepid barns in this particular region and I always have my eye to find myselfa whole roof of antique double beaver tail tile and ship it over. ..may be


Ok_Professional9174

I'm in the rural Midwest, I know roofers that only work on slate and tile roofs. That being said, there's not much new use of either, except churches and some college work. Only new construction residential tile I've seen is in California and Florida high end homes, probably South West also I just haven't spent as much time there.


Different_Ad7655

Sure, I live in New England and there are roofers here who only work in slate as well but it's not the norm and it's incredibly expensive and reserved only for the best of the best. That's my point.. You can have anything in America if you are willing to spend for it. Old Westbury estate on Long Island had to reopen the quarry in England for an incredible special kind of Collyweston slate tile that is almost exhausted and could only be found there.. 27,000 of them imported recently...$$$$ If you have money and time you're all set. But in central Europe every house, EVERY house, big and small has a nice tile roof. It is the state of the art. I'll just never understand how America missed that boat. Of course that's only a rhetorical question, there is no simple answer and I can imagine. America has always been about the quick fix, a growing country and a lack of tradition. The quick fix always won the game even here in New England where there is older establishment but when vinyl siding came about hey there goes the painter. Asphalt, quick fix over expensive slate. I guess it's just a matter of priorities matter of tradition. But once you eviscerate the backbone of the services that used to provide this kind of work then it does become outrageously expensive. Just a shame that's all


Zestyclose-Theory-15

Capitalism is why we canā€™t adopt using real roofing.


Different_Ad7655

I seem to remember Western Europe pretty well understands the value of money too and capitalism. It's more a matter of priorities and then 100 years of brainwashing and material availability.. America likes cheap shit but it wasn't always that way.. If a historic building loses a roof or has a serious defect oh my god, immediately the cry goes out to the building department must be demolished.. Europe meh . Stabilize it, we'll get around to it maybe sooner maybe later new roof new walls but it's an important part of historic structure of the community and it will survive. Just take a little sloshing around with the allocation but we'll get to it.. priorities. Here we build a shopping malls, strip malls a bazillion dollars on highway infrastructure bullshit build out. Just different priorities where you spend your trillions


aidxn-bowlxy

Doesnā€™t uk have a lot of those flat roofs? wouldnā€™t call that gold standard either


huffymcnibs

We used to have slate. The house was 150 years old and the slate mostly original, except from a section that got chipped when a branch fell on it. The house was not in the USā€¦! The problem with forever products is thereā€™s no return business once the house is built, thereā€™s no new roof ever needed.


not-cool-3987

Heā€™s trying to reel you in šŸŽ£


liddlez

Not happening. It did however make me curious. šŸ¤£


ddoc6391

Then can i ask why have you spoke to ā€œ6ā€ people about it if you have no interest in replacing it?


liddlez

Because they knocked on my door, and continued their sales pitch after I told them I wasnā€™t interested in the attempt to sell me a roof. I didnā€™t contact them, they randomly were knocking on doors, soliciting.


ddoc6391

Oh gotcha, the grinders out and about


Such_Bus_4930

Nothing wrong with grinding


ddoc6391

I agree, works out for some of us šŸ¤˜šŸ»


Such_Bus_4930

I get 2-3 roofs a week from door knocking, ROI canā€™t be beat. I am in a bad hail area, I look for hail hit neighborhoods then drive around and look for people who are home. Once I drop a sign in a front yard I then start talking to neighbors and try to get 6-8 more roofs just hanging out getting to know people. I will typically bring my dog out and just walk around getting to know everyone doing a very soft sellā€¦ shhhhh, donā€™t tell anyone


Shot-Pomelo-7979

I would be ashamed of myself


[deleted]

For doing a job? Or are you just ashamed of yourself, in general?


Such_Bus_4930

2-3 roofs a weekā€¦ what do you think that works out to in annual sales?


Onlyyes2xxx

Yeah, he must have noticed the car in the driveway and the house. used car salesman. Sounds like no offense to use car salesman by the way.


Lifegardn

Salesman are dumb fucks


ddoc6391

Salesman dumbfucks? Wowā€¦ Getting the jobs the hard part, doing it, wellā€¦ I have people for that..


Lifegardn

Nah, if someone needs a roof or wants a roof itā€™s not hard at all, Iā€™m sure some are fine but I donā€™t like most. Itā€™s not a hard job.


ddoc6391

Itā€™s not, thatā€™s why I love itā€¦


BriefDragonfruit9460

Your shingles look like wall paper, doesnā€™t look very good imo