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In their perfectly consistent worldview I think that is what they're saying. Just like when the police killed Philando Castille for having a legal gun and the NRA and the rest of the american right rose to his defense and we all joined hands and solved racially based police violence.
No they are saying that convicting him after giving him more due process than the average American gets is just as unfair as killing someone over an alleged fake $20
> **alleged** fake $20
Thank you for including that word. Even if he had passed a fake bill he didn't deserve to be murdered, but the situation was even worse. Someone **thought** he **might** have passed a fake $20 but when the police showed up and interviewed him, he couldn't find the bill. George Floyd was murdered over an **accusation**.
That's when they switch the narrative.
>He died of an overdose
Buddy, I work in ICU, never seen an overdose with a lucid patient trying to shout that they can't breathe.
Thing is even if he died of an overdose, once you’re in handcuffs, you become the cops’ responsibility. You no longer have the ability to defend yourself or seek medical attention by calling emergency services, etc. If you die in custody then the cops are responsible no matter what killed you.
Even if we _knew_ that he _did_ have a fake $20, who's to say _he_ knew it was fake? Counterfeit currency enters circulation sometimes, and most people don't thoroughly inspect every note that comes into their possession.
The onus would still be on the police to prove he actually counterfeited the note or knowingly acquired fake currency for the purpose of fraudulent use. And of course even if he _did,_ that doesn't warrant being fucking _choked to death._
Yeah, in my line of work (I work in a gambling-related industry), I've seen a few counterfeit bills in my time. At no time were we told to call the cops and have the person who gave us the bill executed. We just refuse to take the bet, keep the bill and turn it in to the money room to be examined. That's it.
Counterfeit bills are pretty good nowadays, and it's absolutely possible that a person possessing one has no idea it's fake. Only reason we know is because we're trained to know. Some random dude isn't likely to know what he has unless he himself made it, and most people wouldn't make the effort.
Well, George Floyd was murdered because the cop who stood on his neck was granted the ability to do that by his fellow officers who also wanted to murder him that day. He had personal beef with him and the cops all agreed he should be murdered. And they probably would have gotten away with it without the video. That's why conservatives are so upset. We got in the way of their precious blue code thin line whatever gang bullshit they love. Cops are thugs.
It literally would've been cheaper for the city to pay the store $20 and call it a day than it would've been to send even one cop to even so much as show up and immediately leave, let alone have multiple cops spend a good hour or so interrogating/detaining/murdering the suspect.
And yet the people who think the latter was even remotely a good idea call themselves "fiscal conservatives".
Make it make sense.
I unknowingly had a fake $20 bill I tried to buy some ice cream with when I was like 13. Sometimes, people end up with fake bills and then don’t pay it any mind until someone points it out. It’s insane that someone got killed over allegedly doing something that I did and just got declined a purchase for.
A MAGA had an absolute meltdown about the lack 😆🤦♀️ of due process in response to a meme VERY gently poking fun at the lies cooked up by the would-be fuhrer about paying off Stormy that an old friend of mine posted.
He was also running along with "NO ONE GETS PROSECUTED UNDER THIS STATUTE/BRAGG THE BIDEN SHILL." It wasn't even *that* long to read, but my eyes crossed too hard to really do more than skim.
His poor amygdala's taken a beating.
> Nah, they are not to subtly pointing how they still think black people ~~with records~~ deserve to die.
I assure you these people were perfectly fine with a 17 year old black boy being chased down and murdered because he was "suspicious". No record necessary.
[Remember these chuds were pushing the false narrative that Biden ordered a hit on Trump, because FBI policy dictates deadly force when necessary.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/rcna153413)
No. In Goptardia, Donald Trump is God's messenger on Earth. They literally believe he is the second coming of Christ.
It's not like George Floyd tried to sell secrets to the highest bidder, or stage a coup detat
Exactly. Dude was flatly denied his 5th amendment right by a police officer. Trump was found guilty in a criminal trial. If that had happened to Floyd too it wouldn't even have been news.
I support all felons not to be murdered by the cops while in their custody without a trial.
I do not support any felons to be President of the United States.
My beliefs are completely consistent.
On the other hand, conservatives want to criticize liberals for supporting George Floyd, while they support a felon for president. That's hypocritical.
They can't understand that BLM was about black lives mattering, somewhere between "not at all" (the present under brutal police practices) and "are literally God" (the scenerio no one said but they made up to justify going back to the former). A dichotomy so false it renders useless the concept of all mattering.
"Why didn't BLM care about this white person killed by cops." "Because the officer was immediately arrested, there was nothing to protest." "You're just reverse-racist."
And some of the most prominent BLM supporters use their platforms to bring attention to the white people killed by cops too ([like Daniel Shaver](https://blavity.com/blm-activists-call-attention-to-graphic-video-of-daniel-shavers-death-at-the-hands-of-arizona-police?category1=news&subCat=race-identity)). Because they actually care about police brutality.
As a former resident of conservative echo chambers, you get all of your facts about the left from people on the right. You never hear things like what you are talking about.
I have never found an echo chamber where I did not hear the conservative take on anything. I don't think such a place exists. But there are entire states without the voice of the left on any issue.
Glad you could make it. as a 13 year-old raised in a Christian cult, I kept getting owned so hard by people with evidence that it forced me to rethink things.
They never seem to have a response when I bring up BLM’s protests for justice for Daniel Shaver
Don't forget Zach Hammond. He was shot by undercover cops doing a drug raid for a quarter ounce of cannabis, when he tried to drive away from a dude with a gun and a polo shit. A quarter is probably $100. The cops killed a dude during a drug sting for $100 worth of drugs!!! Let that sink in.
They are welcome to name a road after Trump if they wish. After all, George W Bush has a sewage plant named after him. Hell, name everything in red states after Trump for all I care, just don’t make him president.
They need time to find a relatively maintained road, name it after him, then let it break down because they didn’t maintain it, and then blame it on the cars driving over it
The Ronald Reagan Legacy Project wants a statue, park or road, named after Reagan, in every one of the 3,140 US counties.
That's bad enough. Think if someone tried that for DJT.
So now having a road named after someone is the same as wanting them to be president?
This is rhetorical and I know the answer is pretty much everything but what the hell is wrong with these people?!
Seems like some of us have on off brains. Binary, no nuance or looking at things on a spectrum. Just good or bad.
Why is it happening? Social media? Education taking a shit? Long covid fucking making everyone's brains fucked up? We may never know.
Non-conservatives just don't understand conservatives but its really simple. Conservatives have their good guys and bad guys. They, of course, are the good guys, always. Their leaders are always the good guys, no matter what horrible shit they do. And 'those people' are *always* the bad guys. If one of 'those people' invented the cure for all cancer they wouldn't use it.
Liberals on the other hand follow *ideals*. They follow leaders that can best give those ideals.
> what the hell is wrong with these people
Well they approach everything in bad faith and are on the wrong side of history in literally every single issue so they create false equivalencies in order to justify their stupid beliefs. Or they’re idiots and can’t be expected to do even a little bit of critical thinking.
Pretty sure most people who don't want Trump as POTUS also wouldn't have wanted Floyd to be POTUS either, which is perfectly consistent.
Less sure regarding people who don't think Floyd should have been murdered and thinking Trump shouldn't be murdered, but confident at least that would be a minority view. I certainly won't be saddened to hear Trump is dead, but don't *want* some foreign assassination or vigilante killing or something.
“This man should not have been executed in the street.”
“This man should assume the highest seat of power in the world.”
I can see how that’s a valid comparison 🙄
No one idolized and worshiped George Floyd. I never saw anyone wave of George Floyd flag. People don't get George Floyd tattooed on their body..
People were upset and rallied behind him because he was murdered unjustly by the police...
That's it...
There are probably some tattoos, certainly a number of murals and other works of art depicting Floyd, but no one would have ever made him president—he is only famous because he was murdered in broad daylight by a cop.
Eh, they know. This is all purposeful so they can continue ignoring reality that they're terrible people.
"Conservatives" have always been some of the ideologically worst people in humanity, going back to ancient times.
There were a lot of people that idolized George Floyd because the way the media portrayed him was not who he really was. So everyone thought he was the paragon of goodness and innocence.
To be clear, he didn’t deserve to die. No one deserves to go like that. But you had to have been living under a rock if you thought George Floyd wasn’t idolized. He definitely was. _And_ people do get tattoos of him.
Also I didn’t “support” George Floyd like I supported Bernie Sanders. I just supported George Floyd’s right not to be suffocated by the police for using a counterfeit bill.
It's a standard tactic of theirs. They think calling a refutation without actually addressing it somehow nullifies it because apparently arguments work on the basis of "first!"
You can see this mentality on an everyday basis in their arguments:
- Says something bigoted, "let me guess, you're going to say that's -ism or -ia hehe."
- Says the Nazis were leftists because National *Socialism*, "let me guess, you're going to mention North Korea now?"
- Says the Democrats started the KKK or Republicans freed the slaves, "let me guess, you're gonna say the parties switched?"
- Is glaringly media illiterate, "let me guess, you're gonna mention 'media literacy' now."
It's such a comically immature mentality and tactic the only people it works on are other conservatives.
Supporting a felon in some way is not the issue. Supporting a felon to be the next president is.
Conservatives always leave this part out of their argument because nuance is a foreign concept to them.
Yeah, the fact that Floyd was a felon doesn’t come in to why we care about or remember Floyd, except perhaps to underscore that there is no outgroup so shunned - even felons - that we think it would be acceptable to commit such an injustice against them.
We name things after a lot of people. There is a bridge near my home that was rechristened the names of victims of a bus crash that happened on that bridge. It’s just a thoughtful memorial, not a shrine. I’ve only seen flowers on the sign a few times a year (I’m guessing important days involving the victims like birthdays and anniversaries)
One day, maybe one day, these idiots will have a realization when they’re making a stupid meme like this. “He’s not running for president”… just… so… close
I don't know anyone who "supports" George Floyd. I know people who recognize that he didn't get a trial and that police shouldn't be the judge, jury, and executioner. Judge Dredd was a warning. Not a goal.
They say that a man murdered in cold blood on the street without due process is different from a man committing dozens of crimes while running for, or acting as, president and *maybe* faces some jail time while still being allowed to run for office again?
What would give them that idea?
They are saying that not electing a white supremacist president is the same level of disrespect as extrajudicially murdering a black guy. That trump deserves to be president no less than George Floyd deserved to be able to breathe.
Or, if you prefer to phrase it another way, that the lives of PoC are a privilege exactly as difficult to earn as a rich white guy being president.
For many Americans, blatant lies and hypocrisy are viewed as justifiable expressions of social power. So pointing out lies and hypocrisy won’t actually change the minds of those people and will almost certainly cause them to dig in even further.
The ability to assert an obviously false claim in the face of clear empirical evidence is itself seen by many as a show of strength and power.
The whole point of the lying is to assert the power to manufacture an alternate reality *in the face of* easily demonstrable facts and outrage — and to assert that power unabashedly and defiantly.
At the core of this mentality is the flaunting of the ability to "get away with it," whether the "it" is serial lying, the abandonment of basic norms, or deliberate cruelty to a member of the ideological opposition.
There’s a difference between wanting to fix an injustice and help a victim, and supporting someone because you think they’re great. George Floyd wasn’t a hero, he was a victim. Trump is seen as a hero by the right, or at least someone to look up to and vote for.
These people don't believe anything. According to their logic they think Trump should be killed by police (felony is bad) or that the cops were wrong to kill Floyd (felony is good).
These people are emotional goldfish.
If you're gonna make a hypocrite argument then at least pick a side
Yes, I feel exactly the same way about George Floyd as I do about Trump in their conte t - *neither of them deserve to be executed in the street by the state without due process.*
That is literally all any of us were saying about George Floyd and of course we also believe that to be the case for Trump. If Trump gets murdered in the street by a police officer because he was *suspected* of committing a crime, I will defend him as well.
I will *not* defend him from the guilty *conviction* that he got from a *jury of his peers* after *experiencing due process though the justice system*.
That's the fucking difference. Trump got a trial; George Floyd did not.
This is literally the simplest motherfucking thing to understand.
I know it's crazy to expect literally any common sense from these folks, much less critical thinking, but how is it an inconsistent position to believe that neither George Floyd or Trump should be murdered in the street by police without due process?
It's literally the simplest thing in the universe to understand. George Floyd also deserved an actual trial in the justice system like the one Trump got. Trump got that trial; George Floyd didn't. People who aren't in a cult have no problem understanding that applying the exact same justice system to everyone is a consistent position that is not in anyway even slightly hypocritical.
I think that George Floyd should have gotten the same trial of length and thoroughness that Trump got. Such projection as always because they equate dem support of George Floyd as undying loyalty like they do their god king when in reality dems simply believe in people having rights to trial. Guilty is guilty. They can't comprehend that dems actually believe in society working.
I mean, being a felon doesn’t make you a bad person inherently. I disagree with thinking less of someone based off of a crime they committed. There are a shit load of crimes that don’t harm anyone that are felonious. Obv it’s Fuck Trump forever, but George Floyd isn’t a bad person for being a felon
Also, my support for George Floyd was limited to his right to not be summarily executed by police. I never deified him the way conservatives do with Trump.
Yeah, I mean, if a cop strangled trump to death in the street with his knee on his throat while he pleaded for his life, I would say that was way over the line too. And if George Floyd were alive that would be great, he very clearly deserved to stay alive, but I wouldn't want him to be president either.
There is some distance between elevating someone to being the most powerful person on earth and killing them in the street with no trial while they plead for their life.
Seems pretty obvious that the bar shouldn't be the same for those two things. Those are about as far apart as two outcomes could possibly be.
It's beautiful how the ""my Constitutional rights" and "I won't let the government tell me what to do" crowd won't understand why people are upset that a citizen was murdered by a cop for no reason.
People don’t talk about George Floyd because of what a great guy he was, they talk about him because he was needlessly killed by a careless and broken policing system. There isn’t a street named after him because we like him as a person, there’s a street named after him to remind us that nothing systemically changed as a result of his murder.
Yes, that is correct, we would say he's not running for president.
What we are supporting for George Floyd is justice. The idea that you can't just be executed in the street by an overzealous storm trooper no matter your possible crimes. That you get your day in court, due process and all those minor details. When we are supporting Floyd, it's because he is a symbol of the systemic rot that these people condone. We are not supporting him for president. If he was doing something illegal, passing off a counterfeit bill, he should have been arrested, tried, and convicted by a jury of his peers.
That used to mean something. This party of "patriots" is an affront to the real ideals of America. The thing is, these people know deep down that he's guilty and of much more than lying about a payoff. They just hope to continue the systemic injustices because they benefit from it even if it's just so they can whisper to themselves as they fall asleep in their dirty double wide, "at least I'm not black".
It's almost like my standards for whether or not someone deserves to not be executed in public are a bit lower than my standards for whether or not someone deserves to be the leader of a global superpower.
They always forget to fill in the blank, just like when they say the Civil War was about states' rights. (i.e. states' rights to __________?)
Support _________ to __________.
"I do not support Trump, a flagrant criminal and hater of everyone who doesn't suck on his balls, to be President of the United States of America."
vs.
"I support George Floyd to not be murdered, whether he's a criminal or not, while already subdued by police for allegedly trying to use a counterfeit $20 bill."
Nobody supports any particular person for all conceivable things. There's always a blank to fill in. I support Joe Biden for president this year, but I don't support his being the next astronaut to walk on the moon, if he were to say that's what he wants to do. My wife and I generally support each other, but I wouldn't support her to join [the Moscow State Circus as a tiger tamer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=346MJ_8m3gM&t=2553s). (We're both pretty old, parents, and I'd prefer she didn't move to Russia, plus she's deathly allergic to cats. TBF not sure if tigers would trigger the allergy.)
nobody is defending his crimes. we just think randomly killing people is bad and the police should be accountable. also the cop had NO IDEA who he was murdering at the time so don't act like he did this as a targeted thing. And lastly yes he is not fucking running for president
George Floyd actually went to prison for his crimes (robbery), and was paroled after serving four years. This happened long before he was murdered.
We all know Stinky Britches will never see the inside of a jail cell.
Yes, because throwing your full support behind a man and making him your own personal messiah is exactly the same as thinking nobody should be executed by militant defenders of capital who are above the law.
I'm Left as they come and a minority (Guatemalan-blooded), but it still confuses the SHIT out of me how there are murals and other things suggesting Floyd was any bit a decent man. I know people will say to focus on what his image represents, but, like, you couldn't come up with an image true to reality that demonstrates the problem?
george floyd was murdered.
trump has had the most privileged time inside and outside the court. you know as well as I do that he will not see the inside of a jail until next year.
Being upset that the Police murdered someone in broad daylight, felon or not, is not the same thing as supporting them. Specifically in relation how conservatives support the MAGA Cheeto.
You bet your ass I wouldn’t vote for George Floyd, or any felon for that matter. No one is stating he was a paragon of virtue; they’re saying that he was killed due to unnecessary police brutality. People don’t “support” George Floyd (he’s dead, so how could you?), they support the movement to end disproportionate police violence conducted against PoC. He’s a martyr, not a potential presidential candidate.
The only way he is likely to be killed by racist police is if they forget about gravity before they all start shooting their guns in the air after they have just murdered a POC.
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Are they saying that now that Trump is a felon, the cops should come and kill him?
In their perfectly consistent worldview I think that is what they're saying. Just like when the police killed Philando Castille for having a legal gun and the NRA and the rest of the american right rose to his defense and we all joined hands and solved racially based police violence.
Ahhh. Good times.
I remember standing up and clapping for that.
Well I believed him until the clapping. Now I'm suspicious.
Don't lie. I started that slow clap.
Happy cake day!
Why thank you. I honestly wouldn't have even realized.
No they are saying that convicting him after giving him more due process than the average American gets is just as unfair as killing someone over an alleged fake $20
> **alleged** fake $20 Thank you for including that word. Even if he had passed a fake bill he didn't deserve to be murdered, but the situation was even worse. Someone **thought** he **might** have passed a fake $20 but when the police showed up and interviewed him, he couldn't find the bill. George Floyd was murdered over an **accusation**.
an accusation, that even if it had led to a conviction, the penalty would not have been Death.
That's when they switch the narrative. >He died of an overdose Buddy, I work in ICU, never seen an overdose with a lucid patient trying to shout that they can't breathe.
Thing is even if he died of an overdose, once you’re in handcuffs, you become the cops’ responsibility. You no longer have the ability to defend yourself or seek medical attention by calling emergency services, etc. If you die in custody then the cops are responsible no matter what killed you.
> cops are responsible "But actually, no." -Juries everywhere, usually.
That’s not the problem so much as the police unions exerting immense pressure on prosecutors to not even bring charges.
Even if we _knew_ that he _did_ have a fake $20, who's to say _he_ knew it was fake? Counterfeit currency enters circulation sometimes, and most people don't thoroughly inspect every note that comes into their possession. The onus would still be on the police to prove he actually counterfeited the note or knowingly acquired fake currency for the purpose of fraudulent use. And of course even if he _did,_ that doesn't warrant being fucking _choked to death._
Yeah, in my line of work (I work in a gambling-related industry), I've seen a few counterfeit bills in my time. At no time were we told to call the cops and have the person who gave us the bill executed. We just refuse to take the bet, keep the bill and turn it in to the money room to be examined. That's it. Counterfeit bills are pretty good nowadays, and it's absolutely possible that a person possessing one has no idea it's fake. Only reason we know is because we're trained to know. Some random dude isn't likely to know what he has unless he himself made it, and most people wouldn't make the effort.
I’ve said this from day 1!
Well, George Floyd was murdered because the cop who stood on his neck was granted the ability to do that by his fellow officers who also wanted to murder him that day. He had personal beef with him and the cops all agreed he should be murdered. And they probably would have gotten away with it without the video. That's why conservatives are so upset. We got in the way of their precious blue code thin line whatever gang bullshit they love. Cops are thugs.
Maybe that blue line wouldn’t be so thin if the police weren’t be chipping away at their own accountability at every opportunity?
It literally would've been cheaper for the city to pay the store $20 and call it a day than it would've been to send even one cop to even so much as show up and immediately leave, let alone have multiple cops spend a good hour or so interrogating/detaining/murdering the suspect. And yet the people who think the latter was even remotely a good idea call themselves "fiscal conservatives". Make it make sense.
>Make it make sense. They're professional liars. That's what they do. Don't believe what they say, watch what they do.
I unknowingly had a fake $20 bill I tried to buy some ice cream with when I was like 13. Sometimes, people end up with fake bills and then don’t pay it any mind until someone points it out. It’s insane that someone got killed over allegedly doing something that I did and just got declined a purchase for.
I worked retail. We'd just mark the bill and tell them we couldn't accept it. The cops wouldn't get called. That's freaking insane.
A MAGA had an absolute meltdown about the lack 😆🤦♀️ of due process in response to a meme VERY gently poking fun at the lies cooked up by the would-be fuhrer about paying off Stormy that an old friend of mine posted. He was also running along with "NO ONE GETS PROSECUTED UNDER THIS STATUTE/BRAGG THE BIDEN SHILL." It wasn't even *that* long to read, but my eyes crossed too hard to really do more than skim. His poor amygdala's taken a beating.
Nah, they are not to subtly pointing how they still think black people with records deserve to die.
> Nah, they are not to subtly pointing how they still think black people ~~with records~~ deserve to die. I assure you these people were perfectly fine with a 17 year old black boy being chased down and murdered because he was "suspicious". No record necessary.
He had a record of being black, so obviously he was guilty until proven innocent. /s
You can remove the 'Until Proven Innocent'. These people still believe the 'One Drop Is Proof Of Sin' doctrine.
Except when it applies to Trump. Apparently a tidal wave is still not enough....
I upvoted this for accuracy, but I want you to know I wasn't happy about it.
Same, it’s so important for facts like that to be heard, obviously (hence upvotes)… but it still gives me a bit of ick….
[Remember these chuds were pushing the false narrative that Biden ordered a hit on Trump, because FBI policy dictates deadly force when necessary.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/rcna153413)
Seems like it
Well you see Trump is an (apparently) rich (apparently, because who the fuck knows with that makeup) white, man.
"Trump was not an angel"
Of course not. He's not black, you see.
I wish someone would kneel on Trump's neck
We could name a hole in the ground after him!
No. In Goptardia, Donald Trump is God's messenger on Earth. They literally believe he is the second coming of Christ. It's not like George Floyd tried to sell secrets to the highest bidder, or stage a coup detat
Trump got a fair trial. George Floyd didn't. That's the difference.
He didn't even get a trial. He got murdered
Exactly. Dude was flatly denied his 5th amendment right by a police officer. Trump was found guilty in a criminal trial. If that had happened to Floyd too it wouldn't even have been news.
> Dude was flatly denied his 5th amendment 4th amendment actually
Technically all his amendments, being dead and all denies you a lot of things.
Hey, at least no one violated his 3rd amendment rights
On the plus side I'm happy the murderer survived his stabbings on Thanksgiving so he can survive future ones.
Bet that waiting list is longer than a Disneyworld ride
Yes... that's what they said.
I support all felons not to be murdered by the cops while in their custody without a trial. I do not support any felons to be President of the United States. My beliefs are completely consistent. On the other hand, conservatives want to criticize liberals for supporting George Floyd, while they support a felon for president. That's hypocritical.
Without hypocrisy they’d have nothing at all
Well… there’s at least one other difference.
That is one of a very large number of differences!
A fair trial *and 34 felony convictions* No trial, no convictions, he was *accused* of something and killed for it.
The punishment for willingly giving a shop a fake $20 bill isn't death. And we will never know what actually happened.
So you're saying we need to get Derek Chauvin to a Trump rally to "bend the knee." Fair's fair.
“Don’t murder citizens.” “Oh, so you worship *people* now?!”
They can't understand that BLM was about black lives mattering, somewhere between "not at all" (the present under brutal police practices) and "are literally God" (the scenerio no one said but they made up to justify going back to the former). A dichotomy so false it renders useless the concept of all mattering.
And then went on to complain about how nobody was talking about white lives as well
"Why didn't BLM care about this white person killed by cops." "Because the officer was immediately arrested, there was nothing to protest." "You're just reverse-racist."
And some of the most prominent BLM supporters use their platforms to bring attention to the white people killed by cops too ([like Daniel Shaver](https://blavity.com/blm-activists-call-attention-to-graphic-video-of-daniel-shavers-death-at-the-hands-of-arizona-police?category1=news&subCat=race-identity)). Because they actually care about police brutality.
As a former resident of conservative echo chambers, you get all of your facts about the left from people on the right. You never hear things like what you are talking about. I have never found an echo chamber where I did not hear the conservative take on anything. I don't think such a place exists. But there are entire states without the voice of the left on any issue.
Glad you could make it. as a 13 year-old raised in a Christian cult, I kept getting owned so hard by people with evidence that it forced me to rethink things. They never seem to have a response when I bring up BLM’s protests for justice for Daniel Shaver
Don't forget Zach Hammond. He was shot by undercover cops doing a drug raid for a quarter ounce of cannabis, when he tried to drive away from a dude with a gun and a polo shit. A quarter is probably $100. The cops killed a dude during a drug sting for $100 worth of drugs!!! Let that sink in.
Don't forget Justine Dammond and Jeremy Mardis. Both have been reported, discussed and protested for by the BLM.
Black lives mattering is so triggering to them they call the entire concept Marxism to escape from their racism.
It's their binary worldview. Absolutely no room for nuance or complexity. You either love or hate x.
They are welcome to name a road after Trump if they wish. After all, George W Bush has a sewage plant named after him. Hell, name everything in red states after Trump for all I care, just don’t make him president.
Have none of the MAGA states need a road after him yet? That surprises me
Give them time.
They need time to find a relatively maintained road, name it after him, then let it break down because they didn’t maintain it, and then blame it on the cars driving over it
Blame it on the *electric* cars driving over it. Good ol' 'merican gas guzzlers would never do that.
I can see them now, saying that exhaust fumes reinforce tarmac or something.
They literally believe that wind turbines cause cancer, so...
I design subdivisions and occasionally name the roads. I'm considering trying to name the next cul-de-sac "Trump Court"
*34* Trump Court would be a coveted address. But I could see there being a lot of traffic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_things_named_after_Donald_Trump#Streets/roads/government_buildings
> Trump Station - Jerusalem [he] – A proposed train station near the Western Wall in the Old City of Jerusalem. Gag me with a spoon.
That's grody to the max
That sentence just dusted off some very old brain cells
The justice complex is ironic
Trump names enough stuff after himself. He doesn't need their help.
Someone should thieve the signs and cast them into steel turds.
There are a few things named after him already
New York has a state park named after him.
I know they have in Ohio. I can’t remember where, but I think it’s in the Southeast section.
The Ronald Reagan Legacy Project wants a statue, park or road, named after Reagan, in every one of the 3,140 US counties. That's bad enough. Think if someone tried that for DJT.
What a strange thing to devote oneself to.
Is there _any_ historical or religious figure who has something named after them in every single county?
Jesus, if i had to guess
So now having a road named after someone is the same as wanting them to be president? This is rhetorical and I know the answer is pretty much everything but what the hell is wrong with these people?!
Seems like some of us have on off brains. Binary, no nuance or looking at things on a spectrum. Just good or bad. Why is it happening? Social media? Education taking a shit? Long covid fucking making everyone's brains fucked up? We may never know.
Non-conservatives just don't understand conservatives but its really simple. Conservatives have their good guys and bad guys. They, of course, are the good guys, always. Their leaders are always the good guys, no matter what horrible shit they do. And 'those people' are *always* the bad guys. If one of 'those people' invented the cure for all cancer they wouldn't use it. Liberals on the other hand follow *ideals*. They follow leaders that can best give those ideals.
One of their representatives brought a snowball to Congress as proof climate change don't real guise!
> what the hell is wrong with these people Well they approach everything in bad faith and are on the wrong side of history in literally every single issue so they create false equivalencies in order to justify their stupid beliefs. Or they’re idiots and can’t be expected to do even a little bit of critical thinking.
Turns out not wanting someone to be president of the United states is a bit different than thinking they shouldn't have been murdered. Weird, right?
Pretty sure most people who don't want Trump as POTUS also wouldn't have wanted Floyd to be POTUS either, which is perfectly consistent. Less sure regarding people who don't think Floyd should have been murdered and thinking Trump shouldn't be murdered, but confident at least that would be a minority view. I certainly won't be saddened to hear Trump is dead, but don't *want* some foreign assassination or vigilante killing or something.
I absolutely won't be sad when Trump dies but I'm not celebrating cops stepping on *anyone's* neck
We don't support George Floyd. He's dead. We oppose police brutality and those who support it.
And the mural isn't about worshipping him. It's a symbol, a memorial, a reminder.
“This man should not have been executed in the street.” “This man should assume the highest seat of power in the world.” I can see how that’s a valid comparison 🙄
Both sides are the same...
No one idolized and worshiped George Floyd. I never saw anyone wave of George Floyd flag. People don't get George Floyd tattooed on their body.. People were upset and rallied behind him because he was murdered unjustly by the police... That's it...
There are probably some tattoos, certainly a number of murals and other works of art depicting Floyd, but no one would have ever made him president—he is only famous because he was murdered in broad daylight by a cop.
well to be fair some people did get george floyd tats, however I'd say they did so for normal and reasonable reasons.
They get one for the ideals behind the man. The ideal of *don't fucking just murder us!*
Eh, they know. This is all purposeful so they can continue ignoring reality that they're terrible people. "Conservatives" have always been some of the ideologically worst people in humanity, going back to ancient times.
There were a lot of people that idolized George Floyd because the way the media portrayed him was not who he really was. So everyone thought he was the paragon of goodness and innocence. To be clear, he didn’t deserve to die. No one deserves to go like that. But you had to have been living under a rock if you thought George Floyd wasn’t idolized. He definitely was. _And_ people do get tattoos of him.
Guess I ain't voting for George Floyd
Well, he wouldn't be the first dead guy to win an election
There's at least 24
Also I didn’t “support” George Floyd like I supported Bernie Sanders. I just supported George Floyd’s right not to be suffocated by the police for using a counterfeit bill.
_allegedly_ counterfeit
I purposely left that out because it doesn’t matter if the bill was real or counterfeit it still doesn’t justify being killed over.
Imagine having an argument against yourself and still losing and STILL being convinced you're right.
It's a standard tactic of theirs. They think calling a refutation without actually addressing it somehow nullifies it because apparently arguments work on the basis of "first!" You can see this mentality on an everyday basis in their arguments: - Says something bigoted, "let me guess, you're going to say that's -ism or -ia hehe." - Says the Nazis were leftists because National *Socialism*, "let me guess, you're going to mention North Korea now?" - Says the Democrats started the KKK or Republicans freed the slaves, "let me guess, you're gonna say the parties switched?" - Is glaringly media illiterate, "let me guess, you're gonna mention 'media literacy' now." It's such a comically immature mentality and tactic the only people it works on are other conservatives.
In their defense, I wouldn't vote for George Floyd either. It has nothing to do with his character, I'm just against electing dead people to office.
Supporting a felon in some way is not the issue. Supporting a felon to be the next president is. Conservatives always leave this part out of their argument because nuance is a foreign concept to them.
Yeah, the fact that Floyd was a felon doesn’t come in to why we care about or remember Floyd, except perhaps to underscore that there is no outgroup so shunned - even felons - that we think it would be acceptable to commit such an injustice against them.
Meanwhile, Republicans vote in dead people while complaining about dead people voting while posing as dead people when voting.
But enough about New Jersey
Careful conservatives, you want the death sentence for felons, imagine all those felons on Jan 6th..
the goal posts are on skates forever moving downhill for these people.
By this conservative logic, Trump should die because of the bad choices he made.
We name things after a lot of people. There is a bridge near my home that was rechristened the names of victims of a bus crash that happened on that bridge. It’s just a thoughtful memorial, not a shrine. I’ve only seen flowers on the sign a few times a year (I’m guessing important days involving the victims like birthdays and anniversaries)
One day, maybe one day, these idiots will have a realization when they’re making a stupid meme like this. “He’s not running for president”… just… so… close
Trump isn't a bad person because he is a felon. Trump is a felon because he is a bad person.
I swear to god almighty, if a cop kneels on trump's neck until he dies, i will also support trump.
Yes, I will paint a pic of Trump with wings if it happens, I promise.
I don't know anyone who "supports" George Floyd. I know people who recognize that he didn't get a trial and that police shouldn't be the judge, jury, and executioner. Judge Dredd was a warning. Not a goal.
They say that a man murdered in cold blood on the street without due process is different from a man committing dozens of crimes while running for, or acting as, president and *maybe* faces some jail time while still being allowed to run for office again? What would give them that idea?
They are saying that not electing a white supremacist president is the same level of disrespect as extrajudicially murdering a black guy. That trump deserves to be president no less than George Floyd deserved to be able to breathe. Or, if you prefer to phrase it another way, that the lives of PoC are a privilege exactly as difficult to earn as a rich white guy being president.
Once again right wingers completely missing the point, as expected
I don't think George Floyd was qualified to be president and I don't think the police should kneel on Trump's neck until he suffocates either.
Last time I checked Donald Trump wasn't murdered by cops
A WHOLE road? Oh no! Anyway...
Every post: “Flaired Users Only” And they call others snowflakes…
is Floyd an option? he'd probably be better than these two
Trump hasn't been murdered by a cop yet...
Look, I'm not the one who implied Trump should get executed in the street, but okay bud. Most logical Trumper
Apples and oranges. These people are living brain donors.
I mean, we in fact are not the ones voting for a convicted felon so...
Doesn't deserve to die just because felon= doesn't deserve to highest responsibility in the land just because felony. Maga syllogisms are wild.
For many Americans, blatant lies and hypocrisy are viewed as justifiable expressions of social power. So pointing out lies and hypocrisy won’t actually change the minds of those people and will almost certainly cause them to dig in even further. The ability to assert an obviously false claim in the face of clear empirical evidence is itself seen by many as a show of strength and power. The whole point of the lying is to assert the power to manufacture an alternate reality *in the face of* easily demonstrable facts and outrage — and to assert that power unabashedly and defiantly. At the core of this mentality is the flaunting of the ability to "get away with it," whether the "it" is serial lying, the abandonment of basic norms, or deliberate cruelty to a member of the ideological opposition.
If fat boy rapist orange man wants to drop out in exchange for the "Fuckface Von Clownstick Highway", I'm all for it.
I would not vote for George Floyd. I'm also against kneeling on Donald Trump's neck for nearly 10 minutes.
I mean, I don't think either of them should be killed extra-judiciously.
There’s a difference between wanting to fix an injustice and help a victim, and supporting someone because you think they’re great. George Floyd wasn’t a hero, he was a victim. Trump is seen as a hero by the right, or at least someone to look up to and vote for.
These people don't believe anything. According to their logic they think Trump should be killed by police (felony is bad) or that the cops were wrong to kill Floyd (felony is good). These people are emotional goldfish. If you're gonna make a hypocrite argument then at least pick a side
Trump is still alive and isn't a victim of injustice.
Yes, I feel exactly the same way about George Floyd as I do about Trump in their conte t - *neither of them deserve to be executed in the street by the state without due process.* That is literally all any of us were saying about George Floyd and of course we also believe that to be the case for Trump. If Trump gets murdered in the street by a police officer because he was *suspected* of committing a crime, I will defend him as well. I will *not* defend him from the guilty *conviction* that he got from a *jury of his peers* after *experiencing due process though the justice system*. That's the fucking difference. Trump got a trial; George Floyd did not. This is literally the simplest motherfucking thing to understand.
I know it's crazy to expect literally any common sense from these folks, much less critical thinking, but how is it an inconsistent position to believe that neither George Floyd or Trump should be murdered in the street by police without due process? It's literally the simplest thing in the universe to understand. George Floyd also deserved an actual trial in the justice system like the one Trump got. Trump got that trial; George Floyd didn't. People who aren't in a cult have no problem understanding that applying the exact same justice system to everyone is a consistent position that is not in anyway even slightly hypocritical.
I think that George Floyd should have gotten the same trial of length and thoroughness that Trump got. Such projection as always because they equate dem support of George Floyd as undying loyalty like they do their god king when in reality dems simply believe in people having rights to trial. Guilty is guilty. They can't comprehend that dems actually believe in society working.
I would most definitely not vote for George Floyd for president… in the primary
Do leftists support Floyd or do they believe that he shouldn't have been murdered by the police for passing off a fake $20 to buy cigarettes?
I mean, being a felon doesn’t make you a bad person inherently. I disagree with thinking less of someone based off of a crime they committed. There are a shit load of crimes that don’t harm anyone that are felonious. Obv it’s Fuck Trump forever, but George Floyd isn’t a bad person for being a felon
They're now also saying that Joe biden not stopping his son getting convicted/pardoning him, is just some sort of democrat play to get votes.
Also, my support for George Floyd was limited to his right to not be summarily executed by police. I never deified him the way conservatives do with Trump.
Yeah, I mean, if a cop strangled trump to death in the street with his knee on his throat while he pleaded for his life, I would say that was way over the line too. And if George Floyd were alive that would be great, he very clearly deserved to stay alive, but I wouldn't want him to be president either. There is some distance between elevating someone to being the most powerful person on earth and killing them in the street with no trial while they plead for their life. Seems pretty obvious that the bar shouldn't be the same for those two things. Those are about as far apart as two outcomes could possibly be.
Perhaps there's a TEENSY WEENSY bit of middle ground between being the leader of the free world and being slowly tortured to death?
It's beautiful how the ""my Constitutional rights" and "I won't let the government tell me what to do" crowd won't understand why people are upset that a citizen was murdered by a cop for no reason.
People don’t talk about George Floyd because of what a great guy he was, they talk about him because he was needlessly killed by a careless and broken policing system. There isn’t a street named after him because we like him as a person, there’s a street named after him to remind us that nothing systemically changed as a result of his murder.
So he should be murdered in the street, is that what they’re trying to say?
Let's have what happened to George Floyd happen to Trump, and then I'll consider some sympathy.
Yes, that is correct, we would say he's not running for president. What we are supporting for George Floyd is justice. The idea that you can't just be executed in the street by an overzealous storm trooper no matter your possible crimes. That you get your day in court, due process and all those minor details. When we are supporting Floyd, it's because he is a symbol of the systemic rot that these people condone. We are not supporting him for president. If he was doing something illegal, passing off a counterfeit bill, he should have been arrested, tried, and convicted by a jury of his peers. That used to mean something. This party of "patriots" is an affront to the real ideals of America. The thing is, these people know deep down that he's guilty and of much more than lying about a payoff. They just hope to continue the systemic injustices because they benefit from it even if it's just so they can whisper to themselves as they fall asleep in their dirty double wide, "at least I'm not black".
It's almost like my standards for whether or not someone deserves to not be executed in public are a bit lower than my standards for whether or not someone deserves to be the leader of a global superpower.
As usual, the Right can't meme.
I'm sure nobody would mind naming a road after trump for the same reasons
Well I'm convinced. I will not vote for George Floyd in the upcoming election then. I'm sure they'll be consistent enough to not vote for Trump.
tbf.... he isn't running for anything now. Too soon?
They always forget to fill in the blank, just like when they say the Civil War was about states' rights. (i.e. states' rights to __________?) Support _________ to __________. "I do not support Trump, a flagrant criminal and hater of everyone who doesn't suck on his balls, to be President of the United States of America." vs. "I support George Floyd to not be murdered, whether he's a criminal or not, while already subdued by police for allegedly trying to use a counterfeit $20 bill." Nobody supports any particular person for all conceivable things. There's always a blank to fill in. I support Joe Biden for president this year, but I don't support his being the next astronaut to walk on the moon, if he were to say that's what he wants to do. My wife and I generally support each other, but I wouldn't support her to join [the Moscow State Circus as a tiger tamer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=346MJ_8m3gM&t=2553s). (We're both pretty old, parents, and I'd prefer she didn't move to Russia, plus she's deathly allergic to cats. TBF not sure if tigers would trigger the allergy.)
So by this logic police are okay to murder trump and the right has to defend the police. Right? Right?
More to the point, Floyd wasn't convicted of anything, and his murder was extrajudicial.
One of these felons wasn’t the president of United States.
I must have missed the controversy around Donald Trump getting murdered by a public official in broad daylight, in the street, on camera.
Someone literally said that on the post they are not understanding at.
Goptards gonna goptard.
They have to add “That’s what they’d say” or risk banishment.
Yeah, real leftist hypocrisy is having a different bar for 'shouldn't be murdered in the street' and 'shouldn't be able to be President'
Where is this street?
nobody is defending his crimes. we just think randomly killing people is bad and the police should be accountable. also the cop had NO IDEA who he was murdering at the time so don't act like he did this as a targeted thing. And lastly yes he is not fucking running for president
George Floyd actually went to prison for his crimes (robbery), and was paroled after serving four years. This happened long before he was murdered. We all know Stinky Britches will never see the inside of a jail cell.
Thanks for pointing out the glaring inconsistency in your own argument, OP; that's a real handy time-saver.
Yes, because throwing your full support behind a man and making him your own personal messiah is exactly the same as thinking nobody should be executed by militant defenders of capital who are above the law.
Was Trump murdered by a cop?
I'm Left as they come and a minority (Guatemalan-blooded), but it still confuses the SHIT out of me how there are murals and other things suggesting Floyd was any bit a decent man. I know people will say to focus on what his image represents, but, like, you couldn't come up with an image true to reality that demonstrates the problem?
There used to be a thin veil for the racism, but at some point that gave way to this shit
george floyd was murdered. trump has had the most privileged time inside and outside the court. you know as well as I do that he will not see the inside of a jail until next year.
Being upset that the Police murdered someone in broad daylight, felon or not, is not the same thing as supporting them. Specifically in relation how conservatives support the MAGA Cheeto.
You bet your ass I wouldn’t vote for George Floyd, or any felon for that matter. No one is stating he was a paragon of virtue; they’re saying that he was killed due to unnecessary police brutality. People don’t “support” George Floyd (he’s dead, so how could you?), they support the movement to end disproportionate police violence conducted against PoC. He’s a martyr, not a potential presidential candidate.
I also think trump shouldn’t face summary execution
So what. What used to be John Tyler university existed near me for years. We name shit after traitors all the time
I don't want either to President. I don't want Trump to die, and I wish Floyd was still alive. It truly is that simple.
The only way he is likely to be killed by racist police is if they forget about gravity before they all start shooting their guns in the air after they have just murdered a POC.
Not a single member party of personal responsibility will never, ever take personal responsibility after Trump rotted their souls from the inside out.