Association Football, Rugby Football (Union), Rugby Football (League), Rugby Football (7s), Rugby Football (Touch), Gaelic Football, Aussie Rules Football, 5-a-Side football, Canadian Football, International Rules Football.
Did I miss any?
Oh, American Football.
This is all true, but Canadian Football is close enough to their American counterpart that skills are partially transferable.
The field is bigger (traditionally the same size as the smallest football pitches 110 yards by 65 yards which is 10 yards longer and 15 yards wider than NFL) and there are only 3 downs vs 4 in the NFL, and a 20 second play clock vs 40 seconds in the NFL. Basically it means you need players that are quicker and often smaller guys fit this bill. This is most noticeable with Quarterbacks, drop back QBs that do well in the NFL get slaughtered in the CFL, our linebackers are too quick and they bring them down like a sick gazelle when they sit in the pocket. And the scramble type QBs that 'don't do well' in the NFL (more like have been ignored by the NFL, but that's another story) flourish here. Doug Flutie came up here and killed it, he was small and quick with fantastic reflexes, and when those super quick linebackers came at him, he broke the pocket and scrambled for yardage.
We also used to have bigger balls (hand eggs), and it was always fun to joke about.
I've watched one of your versions and it's very cruel.
62 years between flags? I'm never going to see the Dogs win a grand final ever again and will never forgive my mate who's a third gen fan saying they need a bit of support so why not barrack for them.
Bastard
Mate...I hear the words but...what the fuck do they mean?
62 years between flags? Walking between them, what flags? Barracks are where people sleep, aren't they?
Is this dog racing?
I'm guessing it's an Australian pretending not to be, not realising how much slang they're using.
Grand final probably refers to the AFL grand final. That's where you win a 'flag'. Directly translates to winning a NFL Superbowl.
Barracking is to cheer for your team. Because rooting means something completely different here.
The winner of the premiership is traditionally awarded a [flag](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennant_\(sports\)) and 62 years is currently the longest duration a club is currently waiting between premierships.
In England if you're down south only Union counts, if you're up North only League counts.
And lets face it the world cup is going to be a lot of fun this year if England and Australia meet each other now Jones is back in charge of the Wallabies.
There's at least three: Gridiorn Football, Association Football, and Rugby Football, all came from the UK. If you're in the US, you'd call them football, soccer, and rugby.
Due to colonization and low barriers to sport entry, they're now all across the world.
Gaelic football in Ireland, Canadian football in Canada, and Australian football in Australia. Rugby is also split between Rugby Union football and Rugby League football. So it's about 7 footballs.
Broke: soccer is an English word anyway, so we should call it soccer to avoid confusion
Woke: we should call it football, because you use foot kick ball
Bespoke: we should call it football, because the word “soccer” was invented by posh boys at Oxford and nobody should listen to them
And I suppose Tim Berners Lee, Hugh Grant, Russell T Davies and Rowan Atkinson are all alright too. But other than that, what have the Romans ever done for us?
Wait no, ignore that reference, Cleese and Chapman went to The Other Place
Can we please start a petition to officially change „American football“ to „handegg“ while forcing the NFL to change their name in „National Handegg League“?
Yes, but Ice Hockey should just be called Ice Soccer to go completely meta and inception on you. Particularly since, the name Soccer has been freed up by calling Football Football and American Football Handegg.
The guy makes perfect sense. Let’s definitely change the game known as football to soccer and change the name of American football (the adjective ‘American’ shows it’s definitely not a derivative from original football)to football. It makes it so much easier for that one country, so let the rest of the world just change their ways.
the fact that most countries don’t even have english as their native language and they all have their own words for football doesn’t matter!! just force them to call it soccer as well, it sounds so natural right?
> they all have their own words for football doesn’t matter
The funny part is that it is still "football" in other languages lol.
In German:
Fußball (Fuß = foot, Ball = ball)
In Russian:
Футбол (romanized: Futbol. It's an anglicism - "football" written in Cyrillic letters)
The term "football" comes from the sport being played on foot by commoner people, as opposed to other sports which were played on horseback by noblemen. Rugby football, American football, Association football, Australian football, etc. all have more or less the same roots.
However, football still makes more sense since it's the bigger, more popular sport internationally.
Just to be pedantic, American football technically starts off with a kick and out of the top 50 all time scorers for that sport there’s only 1 non kickers 😂
So for both footballs the foot is the most important part
Why don't Americans call their "football" soccer and leave everyone else alone? You don't even play with your foot, you pick the ball up with your hands.
From elsewhere in the thread, apparently 49 of the top 50 all time points scorers in American football are kickers so maybe football is the right word lmao
No, but what we (British people like me and most of the rest of the world) know as football is association football. Before association football, obviously there was football, but many different codes. Where association football became dominant it makes sense to call it football, just like in countries like America, Australia or Ireland, it refers to their dominant code.
And in any case, the comment you’re replying to correctly points out why it doesn’t make sense to call American football soccer - because the word soccer specifically refers to association football.
It’s the name that was adopted after the codification of football in 1863 and that was made official in 1886 by the IFAB, if you were to call every sport that are from the football family football it would be a fuckfest
To be fair that’s what everyone does, it’s just that most popular one changes depending what country it is. It’s annoying when Americans claim soccer is the one true name for it but they allowed to use different words for different things.
You're right and you shouldn't be downvoted for stating a fact.
Americans should call their football handegg (or anything else, really) because everyone else in the world calls football football as it's the most popular football by a margin of like 3 billion people.
Well you're wrong that everybody else in the world calls soccer, football.
Australian Football was codified in 1858. It is still called football today by almost every Australian unless using the slang "Footy". Soccer wasn't codified until 1863, and it will be a cold day in hell when the majority of Australians call soccer, football.
> Australian Football was codified in 1858. It is still called football today by almost every Australian unless using the slang "Footy".
I thought footy meant rugby league in NSW and QLD?
Here in Ireland “football” means GAA. The sport you’re thinking of is called “soccer,” just like it is in pretty much every English-speaking country except the UK. If the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa agree it’s called soccer, that leaves “bUt iTs CALLED FOOTbALL” as just “shit British people say.”
>Of the 45 national FIFA affiliates in which English is an official or primary language, 43 use football in their organisations' official names
Republic of Ireland isn't even one of the two that don't. Australian football has not used Soccer in nearly 20 years or something like that.
Here’s a better test. Look at the headings in the sports section of a local newspaper. No matter what the local FIFA flacks call themselves, the Irish Times and the Sydney Morning Herald both have “Soccer” sections.
It’s just the actual name just how rugby is actually called rugby football although the reason why American football is a part of the football family is dues to the sport originating from a modified rugby game and the link between the two sports are much more showed in Canadian football
Why can't you just call it American football or Australian Rules Football, or whatever you want to call it and Americans call it what they want to call it. I'm not sure why this is such a big deal.
Because the US are the only country that calls it "soccer" and yet they want that the rest of the world follows the US nomenclature rather than the other way around. They want the majority to adapt to the minority, not the other way around.
ah yes, reddit once again singling out britain when almost all european nations did the same thing. but britain is obviously the only bad european country right? rent free. im a remainer, but you guys will say this shit and wonder why so many brits wanted to distance themselves from the rest of europe.
Seriously? Americans can take a joke. I dare say most of us in her are "Merican " and enjoy the jabs. But you can't drop a bomb like "how great the world was before you were born" from where you sit and not expect a bloody nose as a result. Yeah, there were other imperials. But you're OUR imperial. And we reserve the right to poke you with a sharp stick.
Putting aside well-worn ground concerning “football” vs “soccer,” the ball from the original post is from the 1500s, so definitionally it can’t be a “soccer” ball because the specific sport of association football wouldn’t evolve out of the mass of uncodified games called “football” for another 300 years.
Americans find it so funny that I refer to their football as grid iron, but, I’m sorry, wtf else am I meant to call it? There are five fucking sports that are commonly referred to as football, it’s a GD mess!!!
I mean, American Football would be the official term. Aren’t aussies good at making abbreviated nicknames for things, similar to how the Brits made the word soccer in the first place?
Give us something good like the word selfie and maybe you’ll fix this whole debate for good!
We could also eliminate confusion by calling them “association football” and “American/gridiron football.” But it’s not, like, *wrong* to call association football “soccer”
Correct, but their point I think is that American Football doesn’t have a minority appellation of the same scale.
This would be so much easier if Americans came up with a nickname for the sport that didn’t have football in the name.
I'm talking about Americans in general. Not necessarilly the guy in the post. Besides, if it's just about having seperate terms, why not give American Football a different name and call Football Football along with the rest of the world?
I think the rule of thumb is if you're in a country with a popular game that uses a ball that is called any variation of football and isn't association football (soccer) than the original "native" game becomes "football" and than association football is called soccer. So in the US American football is termed "football" and association football becomes soccer. Similarly in Ireland you have Gaelic football and soccer. Where football refers to Gaelic football. Likewise in Australia, Australian football is referred to as football and association football referred to as soccer. Now in England where no other similar game exists association football is only referred to as football.
> Likewise in Australia, Australian football is referred to as football
It's even more complex than that in Sydney... depending what suburb you're in, saying "football" would be assumed to be rugby union, rugby league, or soccer.
This sub is waay too hung up on the soccer thing imo. Rugby football, aussie rules football, and association football all branch off from the same precursor football games, and rugby and aussie rules were codified before association football as far as I remember. It just makes sense that those sports would just continue to be called 'football' even though other codes have come along.
Exactly the terminology varies from location to location. Trying to enforce one as correct and another as not is nonsense. It gets even more complex in parts of Ireland as unionist protestants refuse to call it soccer and Catholic nationalists refuse to not call it soccer with those between these camps getting mighty confused as a result.
Yeah the people who insist soccer be called football 100% of the time are just as ignorant as those who insist American football be called football 100% of the time. Both just live in places with no diversity in football codes. I feel sorry for them honestly because they must get so hung up on the name of it all, that they are missing out on so much good sport!
Except for usa, Canada, Australia, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, New Zealand, Japan and Ireland, every other of the 187 countries call it by its name.
You forgot South Africa, Italy, Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, Madagascar, Singapore and Indonesia (plus a bunch of African and Middle Eastern nations that have other words for it).
Basically, countries where it was introduced by other countries that don’t have soccer as their only form of football. (In the pacific islands it was introduced by NZ/AU, in Southern Africa by ZA, and in south east Asia by the US.)
Yes this is true and this is because all the other countries don't have another sport that causes confusion when you use the term football. So in your above mentioned countries it's name is soccer and in the rest football. Language is always based off context. If I'm talking to an American and say I'm Brazilian I know that I should call it soccer if I want them to understand but will call it football when talking to another Brazilian. To do anything else is just plain ignorant. Demanding people to name it one Vs the other based off your own background or opinions is just wrong.
It's not that this perspective doesn't make sense, just in a purely American context. It's just unbelievably arrogant to assert that the rest of the world should change the way they speak to accommodate them.
He's right though. In a conversation involving multiple sports that can both be referred to as football, I would refer to it as soccer to eliminate any confusion.
Can't believe how many of you cunts are more obsessed with being right than being nice.
As an Australian, I don't agree. Even if we call it soccer too, I'd never assume football means an Aussie rules ball, unless it specifically says so. This is despite never calling Aussies rules anything other than football or footy.
Football fans know that it means football, but people who don't follow it think of either AFL or NRL when they hear it. So if you're speaking to one of them, it makes it less confusing to say soccer.
Yeah but in this case you’re trying to talk to Americans, for whom association football is as foreign as American football is to the rest of the world.
The kind of Americans that make a stink over this online have the brainpower of George Bush, so you gotta help em out a little.
I mean, if it were a continuum of 'most football', it'd go something like:
Soccer - gaelic (uses a soccer ball) - Australian rules - rugby - American football
That's how I've always thought of it anyway. The more you use your hands, the less football it is.
I'd slide Canadian football in there too, between rugby and American. It has a little more kicking than American. Even the punter can score a *rouge*.
And probably should include both league and union for rugby.
No. Australian rules football is colloquially just called football (or footy) in Australia. Saying it doesn't count because you know it by another name is equally ignorant as an American saying that only "their" football is the real thing and all other sports should just pick a different name.
I personally have no problem using the name soccer if it helps avoid confusion. In the same vein I would call the NFL variant "American Football".
I mean, that’s stupid of them too.
People should change for the people around them. I use 24hr time but I’m not such an asshole that I tell my friends to meet me at 17:00, cause nobody else uses it here.
If an American is talking to Europeans they should say football and American football, and if Europeans (or anyone really) are talking to a group of Americans they should say soccer and football generally. Or at least not make a stink when they do.
Australian and Irish also call it soccer, along with other countries.
So when a decent enough amount calm it soccer, and another likenwhat 100 countries it doesn't matter what you call it as they don't have the sport culture in place.
It just doesn't matter what you call it so long as it isn't soccer ball, soccer or football are fine but soccer ball is clunky
Oh yeah Americans also are trash with anything not American football or nba chant wise, they throw all their entertaining people at those industries instead (for obvious reasons American football sells like a motherfucker)
I'm not Americans tho haha, I was thinking more aussie soccer commentators and fans who actually somewhat care about soccer (even if Aussies also prefer Aussie football to soccer but it's closer in Australia compared to America
I didn't say that they should change the name dumbass. I said that if you're having a one off conversation with someone who calls it soccer, just call it soccer, it makes things easier.
That's what I'm talking about when I say "change the name". Almost everyone on earth calls it "football" so it makes more sense for Americans to call it that to avoid confusion.
If you struggle with knowing which one people are on about you've got bigger problems to worry about anyways
There's 3 sports in my country that are all football. It can be difficult to figure out which sport people are talking about, especially in areas where all 3 are popular.
You said it can't be that difficult to figure out which sport is being talked about. I gave a very simple explanation and example of why it can be difficult. What's unreasonable about that
Football is such an English thing and everyone knows it lol. There's even movies and stuff dedicated solely to that. You're right, the name shouldn't be changed, the Americans should just stop trying to have culture at this point.
Its not even an English thing. Every single culture that's ever existed has played something that resembles football. Almost everyone on earth calls it footballexcept the Americans lol
Some Americans seem to think that there are only two sports that are called football. Even this many is too many for them to cope with
Association Football, Rugby Football (Union), Rugby Football (League), Rugby Football (7s), Rugby Football (Touch), Gaelic Football, Aussie Rules Football, 5-a-Side football, Canadian Football, International Rules Football. Did I miss any? Oh, American Football.
This is all true, but Canadian Football is close enough to their American counterpart that skills are partially transferable. The field is bigger (traditionally the same size as the smallest football pitches 110 yards by 65 yards which is 10 yards longer and 15 yards wider than NFL) and there are only 3 downs vs 4 in the NFL, and a 20 second play clock vs 40 seconds in the NFL. Basically it means you need players that are quicker and often smaller guys fit this bill. This is most noticeable with Quarterbacks, drop back QBs that do well in the NFL get slaughtered in the CFL, our linebackers are too quick and they bring them down like a sick gazelle when they sit in the pocket. And the scramble type QBs that 'don't do well' in the NFL (more like have been ignored by the NFL, but that's another story) flourish here. Doug Flutie came up here and killed it, he was small and quick with fantastic reflexes, and when those super quick linebackers came at him, he broke the pocket and scrambled for yardage. We also used to have bigger balls (hand eggs), and it was always fun to joke about.
>Did I miss any? >Oh, American Football. Nice touch.
\*USian hand-egg
Wait, there are more ? (I'm not even american lol)
In Australia we have 2 sports called football, and neither is soccer.
I've watched one of your versions and it's very cruel. 62 years between flags? I'm never going to see the Dogs win a grand final ever again and will never forgive my mate who's a third gen fan saying they need a bit of support so why not barrack for them. Bastard
Mate...I hear the words but...what the fuck do they mean? 62 years between flags? Walking between them, what flags? Barracks are where people sleep, aren't they? Is this dog racing?
I'm guessing it's an Australian pretending not to be, not realising how much slang they're using. Grand final probably refers to the AFL grand final. That's where you win a 'flag'. Directly translates to winning a NFL Superbowl. Barracking is to cheer for your team. Because rooting means something completely different here.
The winner of the premiership is traditionally awarded a [flag](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennant_\(sports\)) and 62 years is currently the longest duration a club is currently waiting between premierships.
2? There's at least 4 codes in Australia that regularly get called football by my count. League, Union, Soccer, Aussie rules
In England if you're down south only Union counts, if you're up North only League counts. And lets face it the world cup is going to be a lot of fun this year if England and Australia meet each other now Jones is back in charge of the Wallabies.
Ok thx, but your football (sorry can't call it soccer) national team is actually quite decent !
Go on, you can call it soccer! The team your referring to are literally called “The Socceroos”.
Was Footballeroos already taken?
Yes, the North Melbourne football team has a kangaroo mascot.
Alright then I want them to be in the final 4 of a world cup and then I'll think about calling it soccer 😂
There's at least three: Gridiorn Football, Association Football, and Rugby Football, all came from the UK. If you're in the US, you'd call them football, soccer, and rugby. Due to colonization and low barriers to sport entry, they're now all across the world.
Gaelic football in Ireland, Canadian football in Canada, and Australian football in Australia. Rugby is also split between Rugby Union football and Rugby League football. So it's about 7 footballs.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_football?wprov=sfla1
Gaelic Football from Ireland
Alright thx, in France we call them american football, football and rugby.
That's also how we do it in the UK. However, *which* rugby someone means when they say rugby depends on where you are.
There is also gaelic football which also has different rules as well.
For example there is Gaelic Football
Rugby (x2), Association, American/Gridiron (also Canadian) , Aussie Rules, Gaelic etc etc
Broke: soccer is an English word anyway, so we should call it soccer to avoid confusion Woke: we should call it football, because you use foot kick ball Bespoke: we should call it football, because the word “soccer” was invented by posh boys at Oxford and nobody should listen to them
As a Tolkien fan I have to disagree - You should listen to at least 1 posh boy from Oxford. You can ignore the rest if you so wish.
I suppose that means we need to add CS Lewis as well, he gets a pass. Pullman too, but he’s on thin fucking ice.
Nah CS Lewis can be ignored same with Pullman.
What did Pullman do wrong?
He knows what he did
He wasnt Tolkien.
His name, he should be named PullX so he is more diverse.
Pullperson
>Nah CS Lewis can be ignored Because his parents had the bad taste of naming their son "Staples"?
Because he isnt on Tolkiens level of story writing.
May I also suggest Michael Palin
And I suppose Tim Berners Lee, Hugh Grant, Russell T Davies and Rowan Atkinson are all alright too. But other than that, what have the Romans ever done for us? Wait no, ignore that reference, Cleese and Chapman went to The Other Place
We should start calling american "football" hand egg to avoid confusion
Hand egg with padding. Don't want to confuse with rugby!
Its called football because you play on your feet, not cause you kick the ball.
I may have been playing handball wrong all these years then...
I've been playing racket ball wrong too! I wonder how dodge ball is supposed to work?
In the other "sport", you carry around an egg shaped ball, by hand. So, handegg. It is also heavily scripted and only the last 2 minutes count.
Or maybe football makes more sense since they kick the ball with, you know, their feet and all.
Someone really needs to explain them difference between football and handegg
Can we please start a petition to officially change „American football“ to „handegg“ while forcing the NFL to change their name in „National Handegg League“?
NHL is taken though
We can settle with "footegg"
American Handegg League, AHL
Yes, but Ice Hockey should just be called Ice Soccer to go completely meta and inception on you. Particularly since, the name Soccer has been freed up by calling Football Football and American Football Handegg.
That’s a bummer. Maybe NHeL instead?
The guy makes perfect sense. Let’s definitely change the game known as football to soccer and change the name of American football (the adjective ‘American’ shows it’s definitely not a derivative from original football)to football. It makes it so much easier for that one country, so let the rest of the world just change their ways.
the fact that most countries don’t even have english as their native language and they all have their own words for football doesn’t matter!! just force them to call it soccer as well, it sounds so natural right?
Considering "sokker" in Danish means "socks" I could imagine it causing some confusion in my native language though :-)
> they all have their own words for football doesn’t matter The funny part is that it is still "football" in other languages lol. In German: Fußball (Fuß = foot, Ball = ball) In Russian: Футбол (romanized: Futbol. It's an anglicism - "football" written in Cyrillic letters)
I call it soccer because football can refer to at least 9 different sports, depending where you are in the world.
The term "football" comes from the sport being played on foot by commoner people, as opposed to other sports which were played on horseback by noblemen. Rugby football, American football, Association football, Australian football, etc. all have more or less the same roots. However, football still makes more sense since it's the bigger, more popular sport internationally.
American Football has the least foot to ball contact of all the sports named Football. What a world we live in
You play on your feet
As opposed to Basketball, which is played on your elbows
As opposed to football, where you score when it goes in the foot
Just to be pedantic, American football technically starts off with a kick and out of the top 50 all time scorers for that sport there’s only 1 non kickers 😂 So for both footballs the foot is the most important part
American football is closer to rugby so it should really be called American rugby instead
Wikipedia puts it under the Rugby subsection on the football family of sports page.
The actual name for the family that american football is in is gridiron football
[And gridiron is an offshoot of Rugby Rules so they're correct](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_types_of_football).
But Rugby is a form of football
And the full name for both types of rugby are the "Rugby Football Union" and "Rugby Football League". They are all "football".
There you go, from the horses mouth
Why don't Americans call their "football" soccer and leave everyone else alone? You don't even play with your foot, you pick the ball up with your hands.
From elsewhere in the thread, apparently 49 of the top 50 all time points scorers in American football are kickers so maybe football is the right word lmao
Soccer originate from the actual name of football, association football
> actual name Lmfao, so you think the name association football came before the word football?
No, but what we (British people like me and most of the rest of the world) know as football is association football. Before association football, obviously there was football, but many different codes. Where association football became dominant it makes sense to call it football, just like in countries like America, Australia or Ireland, it refers to their dominant code. And in any case, the comment you’re replying to correctly points out why it doesn’t make sense to call American football soccer - because the word soccer specifically refers to association football.
It’s the name that was adopted after the codification of football in 1863 and that was made official in 1886 by the IFAB, if you were to call every sport that are from the football family football it would be a fuckfest
True, let's just call the most popular one football.
To be fair that’s what everyone does, it’s just that most popular one changes depending what country it is. It’s annoying when Americans claim soccer is the one true name for it but they allowed to use different words for different things.
You're right and you shouldn't be downvoted for stating a fact. Americans should call their football handegg (or anything else, really) because everyone else in the world calls football football as it's the most popular football by a margin of like 3 billion people.
Well you're wrong that everybody else in the world calls soccer, football. Australian Football was codified in 1858. It is still called football today by almost every Australian unless using the slang "Footy". Soccer wasn't codified until 1863, and it will be a cold day in hell when the majority of Australians call soccer, football.
> Australian Football was codified in 1858. It is still called football today by almost every Australian unless using the slang "Footy". I thought footy meant rugby league in NSW and QLD?
Yeah because they're jealous that Victoria has a better version of football so they refuse to join the champs.
Okay, everyone but Australians and Americans?
Here in Ireland “football” means GAA. The sport you’re thinking of is called “soccer,” just like it is in pretty much every English-speaking country except the UK. If the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa agree it’s called soccer, that leaves “bUt iTs CALLED FOOTbALL” as just “shit British people say.”
/shitanglossay
>Of the 45 national FIFA affiliates in which English is an official or primary language, 43 use football in their organisations' official names Republic of Ireland isn't even one of the two that don't. Australian football has not used Soccer in nearly 20 years or something like that.
Here’s a better test. Look at the headings in the sports section of a local newspaper. No matter what the local FIFA flacks call themselves, the Irish Times and the Sydney Morning Herald both have “Soccer” sections.
It’s just the actual name just how rugby is actually called rugby football although the reason why American football is a part of the football family is dues to the sport originating from a modified rugby game and the link between the two sports are much more showed in Canadian football
Just to throw in something unhelpful, basketball was invented by a rugby coach who wanted his players to work on their skills on the off season.
So... _American Rugby_, then?
It wouldn’t really make sense as there’s clear links between Gaelic football, rugby football and Australian football, but I guess kinda?
True. So American Rules Football, then?
American Rules Rugby Football
Soccer literally derived from the word 'football' so what are you talking about? Football is the original name
Soccer is an abbreviation of association football
So what man? Football is the original name.
Im not denying that it’s just that the person I responded to asked why won’t American call American football soccer
They should call it Erica?
Okay let's start calling lemons "orange" and then rename oranges to juicefruit to eliminate confusion. Makes sanse, right? Right?
But why call American Football “Football”? Why not Australian Rules Football?
Australian Rules Football was codified (1858) before Soccer(1863), Rugby(1871) or Gridiron(1873), so Australian Football is the real football.
Rugby rules were codified in 1845
AFL is underrated outside of Australia 🇦🇺
Why can't you just call it American football or Australian Rules Football, or whatever you want to call it and Americans call it what they want to call it. I'm not sure why this is such a big deal.
Because the US are the only country that calls it "soccer" and yet they want that the rest of the world follows the US nomenclature rather than the other way around. They want the majority to adapt to the minority, not the other way around.
Were not the only country, that aside who is "they" no one is forcing anybody to say soccer.
Easy... America = bad
"What a wonderful time" Back when Britain could rape and pillage without anyone objecting.
ah yes, reddit once again singling out britain when almost all european nations did the same thing. but britain is obviously the only bad european country right? rent free. im a remainer, but you guys will say this shit and wonder why so many brits wanted to distance themselves from the rest of europe.
Seriously? Americans can take a joke. I dare say most of us in her are "Merican " and enjoy the jabs. But you can't drop a bomb like "how great the world was before you were born" from where you sit and not expect a bloody nose as a result. Yeah, there were other imperials. But you're OUR imperial. And we reserve the right to poke you with a sharp stick.
Putting aside well-worn ground concerning “football” vs “soccer,” the ball from the original post is from the 1500s, so definitionally it can’t be a “soccer” ball because the specific sport of association football wouldn’t evolve out of the mass of uncodified games called “football” for another 300 years.
Football? Ohhh… you mean gridiron right?
It is *not* commonly referred to as football ! Who told them that ?
Do you really think they've ever left the US?
I’d say that 4% of the entire world is pretty common
Americans find it so funny that I refer to their football as grid iron, but, I’m sorry, wtf else am I meant to call it? There are five fucking sports that are commonly referred to as football, it’s a GD mess!!!
I mean, American Football would be the official term. Aren’t aussies good at making abbreviated nicknames for things, similar to how the Brits made the word soccer in the first place? Give us something good like the word selfie and maybe you’ll fix this whole debate for good!
We could also eliminate confusion by calling them “association football” and “American/gridiron football.” But it’s not, like, *wrong* to call association football “soccer”
>I'd say soccer makes more sense since..." Only if you live in one country, meanwhile in the rest of the world......
More than 1 country calls it soccer you realise that
Ireland and Australia beg to differ and many people in pre 1980s Britain would also beg to differ.
Ok but in the present day where this conversation is taking place soccer is very much a minority appellation for (association) football.
Correct, but their point I think is that American Football doesn’t have a minority appellation of the same scale. This would be so much easier if Americans came up with a nickname for the sport that didn’t have football in the name.
In Ireland it’s called soccer because “football” usually refers to Gaelic Football
Soccer is derived from "association football." So they deny it is called football by using a term which basically means "a specific type of football."
They never denied it’s called football, they just said it was less confusing if they had separate names.
I'm talking about Americans in general. Not necessarilly the guy in the post. Besides, if it's just about having seperate terms, why not give American Football a different name and call Football Football along with the rest of the world?
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I think the rule of thumb is if you're in a country with a popular game that uses a ball that is called any variation of football and isn't association football (soccer) than the original "native" game becomes "football" and than association football is called soccer. So in the US American football is termed "football" and association football becomes soccer. Similarly in Ireland you have Gaelic football and soccer. Where football refers to Gaelic football. Likewise in Australia, Australian football is referred to as football and association football referred to as soccer. Now in England where no other similar game exists association football is only referred to as football.
> Likewise in Australia, Australian football is referred to as football It's even more complex than that in Sydney... depending what suburb you're in, saying "football" would be assumed to be rugby union, rugby league, or soccer. This sub is waay too hung up on the soccer thing imo. Rugby football, aussie rules football, and association football all branch off from the same precursor football games, and rugby and aussie rules were codified before association football as far as I remember. It just makes sense that those sports would just continue to be called 'football' even though other codes have come along.
Exactly the terminology varies from location to location. Trying to enforce one as correct and another as not is nonsense. It gets even more complex in parts of Ireland as unionist protestants refuse to call it soccer and Catholic nationalists refuse to not call it soccer with those between these camps getting mighty confused as a result.
Yeah the people who insist soccer be called football 100% of the time are just as ignorant as those who insist American football be called football 100% of the time. Both just live in places with no diversity in football codes. I feel sorry for them honestly because they must get so hung up on the name of it all, that they are missing out on so much good sport!
Except for usa, Canada, Australia, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, New Zealand, Japan and Ireland, every other of the 187 countries call it by its name.
You forgot South Africa, Italy, Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, Madagascar, Singapore and Indonesia (plus a bunch of African and Middle Eastern nations that have other words for it). Basically, countries where it was introduced by other countries that don’t have soccer as their only form of football. (In the pacific islands it was introduced by NZ/AU, in Southern Africa by ZA, and in south east Asia by the US.)
Yes this is true and this is because all the other countries don't have another sport that causes confusion when you use the term football. So in your above mentioned countries it's name is soccer and in the rest football. Language is always based off context. If I'm talking to an American and say I'm Brazilian I know that I should call it soccer if I want them to understand but will call it football when talking to another Brazilian. To do anything else is just plain ignorant. Demanding people to name it one Vs the other based off your own background or opinions is just wrong.
Australia calls it soccer not football
Yes i mentioned Australia.
Oh my bad seen so many comments claiming only America bust of skimmed through and missed that. That's on me
It's not that this perspective doesn't make sense, just in a purely American context. It's just unbelievably arrogant to assert that the rest of the world should change the way they speak to accommodate them.
They never said that, just for posts on that subreddit.
Ah yes, when the Germans and Brits played SOCCER on Christmas day on the battlefield. Good times. /Sarcasm
He's right though. In a conversation involving multiple sports that can both be referred to as football, I would refer to it as soccer to eliminate any confusion. Can't believe how many of you cunts are more obsessed with being right than being nice.
As an Australian, I don't agree. Even if we call it soccer too, I'd never assume football means an Aussie rules ball, unless it specifically says so. This is despite never calling Aussies rules anything other than football or footy.
Football fans know that it means football, but people who don't follow it think of either AFL or NRL when they hear it. So if you're speaking to one of them, it makes it less confusing to say soccer.
Football is soccer and footy is aussie rules
I would. Aussie Rules is the default footy in face to face convos. Internet is a whole other beast though.
Yeah but in this case you’re trying to talk to Americans, for whom association football is as foreign as American football is to the rest of the world. The kind of Americans that make a stink over this online have the brainpower of George Bush, so you gotta help em out a little.
There will also be no confusion if you call their's handegg, and it will make more sense
What about rugby then? And Aussie football? And Gaelic? Those are all handegg sports.
I mean, if it were a continuum of 'most football', it'd go something like: Soccer - gaelic (uses a soccer ball) - Australian rules - rugby - American football That's how I've always thought of it anyway. The more you use your hands, the less football it is.
I'd slide Canadian football in there too, between rugby and American. It has a little more kicking than American. Even the punter can score a *rouge*. And probably should include both league and union for rugby.
Traditionally the term football meant you played on your feet, not that your foot touched the ball (although it usually did).
And they're all called something other than "football" so it's irrelevant
No. Australian rules football is colloquially just called football (or footy) in Australia. Saying it doesn't count because you know it by another name is equally ignorant as an American saying that only "their" football is the real thing and all other sports should just pick a different name. I personally have no problem using the name soccer if it helps avoid confusion. In the same vein I would call the NFL variant "American Football".
What I'm saying is call anything whatever you want. Hardly ignorant.
That’s just not what you said though.
Yeah, but they'd get mad, and my entire point is about avoiding confusion/arguments.
I mean, people get mad when they call it soccer, but they don't care cuz they think murica is superior to anything or anyone
I mean, that’s stupid of them too. People should change for the people around them. I use 24hr time but I’m not such an asshole that I tell my friends to meet me at 17:00, cause nobody else uses it here. If an American is talking to Europeans they should say football and American football, and if Europeans (or anyone really) are talking to a group of Americans they should say soccer and football generally. Or at least not make a stink when they do.
Why should the entire world change the name of the sport because Americans can't understand a difference between "football" and "American football"?
Australian and Irish also call it soccer, along with other countries. So when a decent enough amount calm it soccer, and another likenwhat 100 countries it doesn't matter what you call it as they don't have the sport culture in place. It just doesn't matter what you call it so long as it isn't soccer ball, soccer or football are fine but soccer ball is clunky
"European soccer ball" is what I'm calling it from now on
That Is so clunky and so gross haha. Imagine that in a comm team every game " we are about to play a game of European soccer ball let's go"
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Oh yeah Americans also are trash with anything not American football or nba chant wise, they throw all their entertaining people at those industries instead (for obvious reasons American football sells like a motherfucker) I'm not Americans tho haha, I was thinking more aussie soccer commentators and fans who actually somewhat care about soccer (even if Aussies also prefer Aussie football to soccer but it's closer in Australia compared to America
I didn't say that they should change the name dumbass. I said that if you're having a one off conversation with someone who calls it soccer, just call it soccer, it makes things easier.
That's what I'm talking about when I say "change the name". Almost everyone on earth calls it "football" so it makes more sense for Americans to call it that to avoid confusion. If you struggle with knowing which one people are on about you've got bigger problems to worry about anyways
There's 3 sports in my country that are all football. It can be difficult to figure out which sport people are talking about, especially in areas where all 3 are popular.
Cry more
So when I make a reasonable argument I'm crying? Get fucked cunt
Lamp "reasonable argument"
You said it can't be that difficult to figure out which sport is being talked about. I gave a very simple explanation and example of why it can be difficult. What's unreasonable about that
As above, cry more
Football is such an English thing and everyone knows it lol. There's even movies and stuff dedicated solely to that. You're right, the name shouldn't be changed, the Americans should just stop trying to have culture at this point.
Its not even an English thing. Every single culture that's ever existed has played something that resembles football. Almost everyone on earth calls it footballexcept the Americans lol
Soccer
Just call your football American football. How hard can it get?
But its soccer
Man... shut up
Nope
It's really not lmao. OnLy In MuRiCcA
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Why can't the title refer to AFL, which is of course the more superior of the two
r/USDefaultism too
Imagine calling a game soccer ball that just sounds clunky