WHAT? I'M NOT PUTTING THAT TOXIC CRAP IN MY - Huh? barrier? NO they clearly are still toxic and should not be inside me. Only Goop Sex Oil and my husband's penis go in there. and he had to agree to a full detox for the vaccines my CRAZY MIL insisted he have as a child!
It's hard because I believe in science and am 100% vaccinated, but I have some healthy skepticism about how birth control affected my body. It's hard to express it without sounding like one of those anti science whackadoos
I couldn't take it, either. Last time I tried it I bled heavily for six weeks straight and ended up having an endometrial ablation (I requested a partial hysterectomy at the time. This was denied on the grounds I might want more children. They decided on the ablation and required me to have my tubes tied on the grounds that pregnancy would be dangerous after all that), so I get it. It's not crazy to note how something affected you. What starts to be out there is when people dismiss the entirety of modern medication and put themselves and their half-dozen children (give or take).
(I think the mini pills were not quite on the market at that time)
For what it is worth, birth control is not for everyone and every body is different and anyone who knows science should know that. It can be literally life saving for some and harmful for others and a good reason why it is a part of medical practice and monitored by doctors.
And people with shit like endometriosis. The weight gain and occasional emotional rollercoasters suck but it is so much better than bleeding out with pain thats at a 12 out of 10 every month.
Birth control has a well documented series of bad side effects, most doctors brush it off as the other well documented medical event: female hysteria.
Go on the website of the birth control you’re on, be sure you’re being prescribed it accurately, if you’re not and/or the gynecologist isn’t taking your experience on it very seriously - find a new gynecologist ASAP. There’s nothing wrong with that and it doesn’t make you against science.
Not surprised. Googled the clown's name, she is the Director of Development for a Catholic church outfit.
I imagine the majority, if a local group, are all members.
Catholics must have changed since I was in Catholic school. Everyone was vaccinated as we had to be to attend. And nobody quibbled as far as I know. This must be the new Trad Catholics I've been hearing about.
Some of the American Catholic Churches are going to get excommunicated, they have already lost a couple of archbishops because they are becoming too evangelical fundies for the Vatican taste
The Catholic Church is clear, you follow doctrine and obey or you are just booted
95% are 18-20 and starting college. Never had any be nervous(well moreso than just regular scared of a needle.) Most will even get the 'extra' vaccines that I recommend even if they're not required. The majority also laugh about their 'crazy parent' and make fun of them 🤣
The rest are usually 20-28 and getting a new job in a field that requires vaccines, like Healthcare
This game best me hope that these kids are at least learning how to think for themselves from somewhere. Scientific literacy is so important, so I'm glad they're still managing to learn.
I’ve read so many stories where people find out they weren’t vaccinated and then lied to on top of it about being vax and they flip shit on their parents.
One in particular went into the army and had to catch up on so much and was so mad because they’d already been to foreign countries and put into jeopardy without even being able to make the informed decision about it themselves.
Not yet it isn’t. There’s still enough herd immunity and relative safety of living in a developed and sanitary country that their kids will most likely never experience measles or polio. Give it another 20-30 years of this anti-vax propaganda and there’s a good chance we will start seeing mass outbreaks on the regular, and vaccinating will stop being an option, it’ll be required for any number of things.
Idiots are playing a dangerous game and risking everyone else around them. Frustrating to say the least.
Yes thank you! I wish it was illegal for them to participate in society. Don't wanna vaccinate? Great. Stay on your own private property. Which means no schools, no hospitals, no grocery stores, no malls. You wanna go it alone? Go for it. But you don't get to come out of your bunker! 😊
Where I live you can’t even register your dog to use a dog park unless it’s fully vaccinated. My MIL’s dog had all her vaccinations except kennel cough — essentially whooping cough in dogs — and my husband took the pup to the vet for that vaccine so that he could take her to the dog park.
This is different state to state in the US. Some strictly enforce vaccination and will not let kids into daycare or school (including private) without it. Other states don't have laws or don't enforce them
The US used to mandate regular smallpox vaccination. A case actually made it to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the law. (Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905))
The Supreme Court ruled that the compulsory vaccination law did not violate the 14th Amendment because states have the power to constrain individual liberties through reasonable regulations when required to protect public safety.
>[Justice Harlan] reasoned that individual liberty does not allow people to take actions regardless of the harm that they could cause to others. Harlan felt that the plaintiff had failed to show that the vaccination law was arbitrary or oppressive, or not reasonably required for the safety of the public.
I find this part of the case particularly pertinent to modern antivaxxers.
>Although the plaintiff presented evidence that some doctors believed that the smallpox vaccine was not effective and could cause further diseases, Harlan pointed out that the opposite view represents the common medical belief and is followed by more reputable doctors.
I work for the NHS, the UK is already undergoing a measles outbreak, with the majority (though by no means all) of the cases being in children under 10.
In 2021 the UK had a total of 360 confirmed measles cases. In 2022 there were 735. In 2023 there were 1603. And in the first 4 months of 2024 there were 1185 confirmed cases - and that's only the figures from January to April!
As of 2023 84.5% of 5 year olds have had their MMR vaccines. That means 15% of 5 year olds are totally unprotected from measles (and mumps and rubella for that matter.) Which obviously also does herd immunity no good.
Back in March my colleagues and I were all told by occupational health they needed proof of our vaccination status, which had never previously been needed as I'm in an admin, non patient facing role. Those of us who couldn't prove we'd been vaccinated (I know I was, but I struggled to get the GP to send me paper evidence of it) were asked to attend a blood test, to test whether we are immune to measles or not.
The nurses who did my blood test told me this was in direct response to the measles outbreak. And that whilst the NHS is only looking to require proof of measles immunity for their staff at the moment, they were actually also going to test for rubella - because whilst there's no rubella outbreak yet they're anticipating there will be one in the coming year. Simply because the same people who were never vaccinated against measles also won't be vaccinated against rubella.
Fortunately my tests came back saying I had both measles and rubella antibodies already (thank you mum, she made sure I got EVERY vaccine when I was a kid!) But a few of my colleagues had results come back saying they had no immunity. They've all been required to get an MMR vaccine over the last few months.
So it's very much already started!
I am getting a dtap vaccine next week because of that. I got my last dtap vaccine 10 years ago while pregnant of my youngest, I am not going to bother with blood test, I am just getting the vaccine, I do not want to catch or pass whooping cough
dude, some anti-vax family in my friend group brought their 3 kids to a playdate we had all scheduled a few months earlier. The problem was that all 3 of their kids had CONFIRMED cases of whooping cough. I was so fucking pissed. They told us after everyone had been there and playing for ~40 minutes already. Luckily my son had all his vaccinations and didn't get anything from it, but another antivax family that was there had their kids come down with it.
Look, if for whatever reason you think the personal risk of the vaccine outweighs the benefits (idiotic but w/e) and you choose to not vaccinate your kids? Great. Good for you. At the very least learn to be fucking pragmatic about things and try not to spread shit around.
Well crap. Now I'm off to incognito mode search about Rubella in the US. Learned during my first pregnancy that even though I had all my vaccines I have no immunity against Rubella and it's a vaccine you can't get while pregnant. They were supposed to give me one after I had the baby but it was 2020 so the hospitals and health departments were just a liiiiitle bit busy worrying about the more pressing Covid vaccine. Finally got it after my second pregnancy, but my OB said that many people who come up as non immune during pregnancy just can't get immunity from the vaccine.
Yeah it is very common for certain people to not keep testable immunity. However you probably do have long term immunity, at least some. We just can't easily test for it
We just had a 5 yr old who died of measles this week in the city I work in. There are 5 others with it- all unrelated, ALL unvaxxed. I despair of society at times. When I started in the hospital many years ago I had to prove my vaccinations were up to date. As I’d moved from Scotland I didn’t have access to them so i had to have antibody titres done and vaccinations for any that i was not showing immunity to. I work in a Children’s hospital so I’m always scared some unvaxxed kid will give me a disease that I can’t fight off as I’m immunocompromized.
I just got norovirus a few weeks ago as there was an outbreak on a ward I never go to. I’m crapping myself that I come into contact with a measles kid.
Urgh I heard about the child who died from measles, it's so infuriating and so so sad, this was absolutely preventable. Don't they have to be vaccinated to go to school here? Or are there some exemptions?
I just got (yet another) MMR series. I never convert and become immune. But I started a new job and they mandated me to get it when I showed no immunity. With the measles coming back due to these AH antivax cultists, it’s awful.
yeah, many people don't realize that until covid measles was the most contagious disease with serious complications we had dealt with in modern (last ~100 years) society. measles is already starting to have larger and more consistent outbreaks in pockets around the country and it's only going to get worse.
Problem is, smart people getting vaccines creates herd immunity for these stupid fuckers kids and they are much less likely to catch something than back in ye olde times, thus backing up their misguided opinions that vaccines aren’t necessary. Sigh.
I was “delayed” until I turned 18. Catching up has been a nightmare. Fighting with insurance to convince them I never got the vaccines until now so I still need them covered. Getting everything in the span of 5 years. Didn’t realize how painful and sick some of them make you for a day or so, so messing with my adult work and school schedule. I would give a lot to just have gotten them normally as a kid.
I’d say they deserve what’s coming to them for their ignorance, but the problem is their lack of vaccinating their children actually does affect the community is a very real way (and their poor kids don’t deserve it). People that can’t vaccinate for legitimate reasons/babies and children not fully vaxxed are put at unnecessary risk. Diseases that should be stomped out are coming back with a prevalence. It’s disgusting and selfish…. and dumb. A lot of dumb. I’ll get off my soapbox now, lol
They deserve to be treated like what they are, which is negligent parents. Not vaccinating is medical neglect, period. (Obviously unless there’s an actual medical reason for it.)
"I wish to god I wasn't vaccinated" damn lady, you might be alive to wish this because you were vaccinated.
Also to the "poison is poison" people, I'd love to know how many of these people drink alcohol. Probably on insta like "Gotta chill out with my totally organic vegan wine at the end of the day xo"
I wish to God I wasn't vaccinated is one of the most bias and privileged statements I've ever read. Just absolutely reeks of no knowledge outside of their own bubble.
I know someone like this. She drinks colloidal silver daily. Yet refuses to drink the local tap water and get any vaccines because of the heavy metals in it. She believes chemtrails are putting the heavy metals into the local tap water.
I saw a local store selling this. She makes it herself. Someone asked me what it was for, to drink? I said surely not.
They asked the shop owner. It is.
PEOPLE DRINK THAT BUT WON'T VACCINATE. That's a statement I cannot reconcile on my brain. It hurts.
Is she blue yet?
"Argyria is a rare skin condition that can happen if silver builds up in your body over a long time.
It can turn your skin, eyes, internal organs, nails, and gums a blue-gray color, especially in areas of your body exposed to sunlight. That change in your skin color is permanent."
Not yet. I told her I’m going to tell her I told you so when she turns blue one of these days. She said that’s just a myth big pharma put out to keep you from taking any natural meds/cures.
Literally the most basic principle of toxicology is that the dose makes the poison - anything is toxic in some amount. “Poison is poison” is the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard.
Rant incoming. These women make me SO MAD. I wasn’t vaccinated after 6 months old. My mother already leaned anti-vax and I had a reaction to DTaP (fever and swelling, like a lot of kids do) and that threw her fully into an anti-vax frenzy. Now, as an adult, I’m paying for her inability to just administer infant Tylenol and listen to her doctor. My son was exposed to chicken pox at his daycare this week. He is vaccinated but is only 6 months old, so not old enough to have the rubella vaccine. I now get to spend the next 21 days worrying about my infant AND myself getting chicken pox, because I of course never had it as a child either and my mother quit vaccinating me before I was old enough for that one. So much of this stupid anti vax bullshit is just so they can pat themselves on the back for their own superiority complexes and has not one single thing to do with protecting their children. Anti-vax is a disgusting movement and I cannot believe that we don’t regulate it better in the US. These kids deserve better, because they will be adults one day with different lives than their parents
Just an fyi- as long as you’re not pregnant, you can (and should) get the chicken pox vaccine as an adult. I just had to get re-vaccinated because I no longer had antibodies, was super easy. Your GP can probably give it but if not, most pharmacies will have it.
I actually have an annual physical coming up this week and plan to ask about it! It’s too late this time around but it’s not the only thing I need to catch up on. I’m more annoyed that this is a thing I have to do because someone else felt the need to play fast and loose with my health
The varicella (chicken pox) vaccine was only released in 1995, so there are probably a lot of adults your age in your same shoes just because of availability at the time. Both my husband and I had parents that followed the vax schedule but we were born a year apart and I got the vaccine and he didn’t! Just a little fun tidbit
I was born in 1990 and my best friend got leukemia in kindergarten, so we had chicken pox parties to get us all sick *before* she started chemo and then the shot came out later that year 😖
I was born in 1989…got chicken pox about 6 months before the vaccine was available. Like, my parents knew it was coming out, or maybe it was out and I was just waiting for my next doctor appointment. So frustrating.
Yep. I was 7 when the vaccine came out. And had a 9 year old sibling. I definitely got the chicken pox long before the vaccine came out. It's crazy to remember how prevalent it was and it was almost a guarantee that you were going to get it before age 10. The ones who never got it as a kid (before the vaccine) were the odd ones out. Like, were you living under a rock? And that is basically what all of those diseases were like before vaccines. I can't imagine watching my kid get sick with all of those viruses and basically crossing my fingers hoping they didn't suffer permanent damage or had a bad case that could kill them. I was "vaccine injured" twice. But I have gotten titers drawn and 20 years later I'm still not at risk of getting measles, mumps, or rubella. Completely worth it.
Chickenpox prevalence actually depends a lot on where you live. In more temperate climates, basically every kid gets it. Closer to the equator it’s much less common.
I think a lot of people who didn't get it as a child and whose parents weren't intentionally avoiding it probably just had a mild case.
My mother thought I never had it even though my brother did so when I got pregnant I had my titers checked to see if I'd need a vaccine and I had the antibodies.
I chaulk it up to mild case + second child syndrome (plur my brother had it baaadddd - in his ear canals and on his penis).
I only knew to ask about tigers because my friend had to get hers done to work at an international school and turns out her MMR didn't take so she had to get it redone.
I got my MMR re-upped when I went to Africa and had to get a bunch of shots anyway because we were flying through Europe and them and the Americans were having a huge outbreak at the time.
This is a very good point. I had chicken pox as a kid, around the time the vaccine became available. I didn’t receive the vaccine because we thought having chicken pox already would give me immunity, and I honestly never worried about it again. However, now in my second pregnancy I discovered that I don’t in fact still have antibodies, and now I’m vulnerable until after I give birth and can get the vaccine. I don’t think a lot of people know that immunity can wear off.
Yeah I certainly didn’t! I only know because of a bunch of testing I had to do for IVF. Apparently it’s extremely common to lose your immunities later in adulthood (I also got the vaccine right when it came out in the 90s, possible it’s better and lasts longer now)
I never got the chicken pox vaccine since it wasn’t released until I was older. My husband had shingles several years ago and I got chicken pox from him. At age 30. The doctor hadn’t seen a case in so long he found a medical textbook to compare the sores to verify. I was miserable. So yeah, my kids get all the vaccines they are eligible for. My youngest has a lot of allergies and I’m worried we’re going to end up needing to skip some for her if she has a bad reaction.
Yeah my mom had shingles (was not vaxed because it wasn't possible in communist Poland, but she had chicken pox as a child) after covid (which she was vaxed for, but got anyway) because getting covid absolutely destroys your immune system. Absolute worst pain ever, I felt so sorry for her
You hit the nail on the head with it all being about self-centred people needing to have some kind of unique identity to stand out. Not one thought spared for their kids who have to live with the consequences of them being immature, attention seeking Facebook addicts.
> I had a reaction to DTaP (fever and swelling, like a lot of kids do) and that threw her fully into an anti-vax frenzy.
What’s crazy is that babies in general are super sensitive to stuff. A lot of babies are born with rashes. They have allergies and sensitivities. They get sick a ton. *This is normal*. Its part of developing an immune response.
What’s crazy to me now, is my son had the exact same reaction. Swelling in his thigh at the injection site and a fever for 24 hours. I gave him the recommended dose of infant Tylenol and snuggled him a bit extra. He wasn’t any worse for wear, and aside from taking a longer than average nap, you would have never known anything was wrong, and it was certainly a preferable issue when compared to the things that shot covers. I swear, these idiots think any reaction at all is a sign the vaccine is bad
According to one commenter “it only takes one vaccine to cause damage”. Shockingly enough, the same could be said for measles, mumps, diphtheria, pertussis, etc. And it’s a lot more likely for your kid to contract one of these illnesses and end up with debilitating side effects.
I'm currently in the city where that poor baby was from. Thankfully my 3 year old niece who lives here is vaccinated according to the Ontario recommended schedule so has had her MMR. The Toronto area has had a few measles cases in the past few years but this was the first death since 1989. Unacceptable.
My sister (my niece's mom) used to be very anti-medication for herself, like not even taking a Tylenol for a headache so we were mildly concerned that she might end up being an anti-vaxxer when she got pregnant but she's very pro-medical treatment for the baby. I was worried last week that I had shingles and we'd been planning a family celebration for this weekend. I was told in no uncertain terms that I wasn't coming near the house if I did have them, since they can spread chicken pox and the baby is too young for that vaxx. (thankfully not shingles, just an allergy rash and coincidental nerve pain at the same thing cause that's the way my luck goes).
OMG I didn't hear about this and now I'm terrified for my 3-year-old. FFS. She's got all her vaccines according to schedule but I think there's supposed to be a second MMR at 4. So now I'm freaking out. Fucking antivaxx idiots.
The one dose gives good immunity until the second one. She’s already protected so no need to be terrified! Of course take any precautions your local health department recommends if there’s a local outbreak.
The child that passed was in Hamilton so hopefully if you're right in Toronto, your little one is fine! I guess about a week ago they contacted people who'd been at Hamilton's children's hospital and a couple other places because a few people tested positive.
I live in Toronto myself and hadn't heard a thing about it until my sister was talking about it because they were at that hospital just a couple days before the date in question.
I feel awful for the family, but also, this was so easily avoidable.
I'm glad you don't have shingles, but allergy rashes are horrible too.
Your sister is right. Pox as a kid, shingles as an adult. Same virus that lays dormant for decades, before surprising you all over again. Just as contagious as chicken pox.
These people always remind of that guy who listed the chemicals in an apple and asked the antivax dumbasses which they had a problem with and they said, "all of them".
My favorite one is the one that lists the “ingredients” as a gotcha.
“Multiple viruses” yeah hun that’s the point
“DNA” …as if nothing else we consume or inject has DNA?
“Egg protein” NO NOT THE EGG PROTEIN
Not to mention mercury and antibiotics??? Like… what? A mercury salt used to be in vaccines and was removed decades ago for no scientific reason and why would we inject antibiotics?
Oh no is egg protein bad?????!! Oh no how will I get protein as a vegetarian nowwww 😱 Egg protein? Oh, the humanity!
The last comment passive aggressively question the OOP is so infuriating especially. Trying to point fingers at that person genuinely asking a question and looking for advice. How about you tell us why youre letting your kid walk around unvaxxed and potentially being able to get all sorts of diseases and spread them on to others, especially others who can't vaccinate and need that herd immunity?
So scary, these mom's are willing to allow diseases that had been eradicated to come back.
Here in my county, they just issued a statement that we're having a pertussis outbreak. And from what I'm reading, sounds like I'm long overdue for a new tdap booster.
I will! I didn't even know until I saw a post from my bestie on FB. She's a double lung transplant recipient. So, I'm always extra cautious with her and illness.
My kids’ pediatric office (the same one that my mom/aunts went to and my sisters and I all went to, I’m proud to say) have a sign up in their exam rooms that basically says “we vaccinate here because science is a real thing, so if you aren’t gonna vaxx, kindly GTFO.”
I also just found out the preschool my oldest will be attending in fall requires a doctor’s signature that states that the child is up to date on all vaccinations. When I looked at the preschool employee in happy disbelief, stating I was excited I wouldn’t have to worry about unvaxxed kids, she went “wait is that a thing?” I was like “oh, girl, let me tell you…”
Edited for clarity
My husband made a joke about not vaccinating at our son's pediatrician and she just flat out said that we would have to find another clinic should we go down that route.
At our current pediatrician, they always look slightly anxious when they ask about vaccines and then look relieved when I excitedly say yes, we will be getting vaccines today! No, I don't have questions just pump that shit into my kids. (I don't say all that, but I think it lol)
The second one is how ours is as well. They ask, bracing themselves for nonsense and when we say yes they get really happy.
The same thing happens when I go to the dentist and they offer fluoride. I never had a dentist offer before, it was always just assumed.
This term drives me nuts. What does it even mean? All of these people’s children could surely not have *almost* died from vaccines. Are they referring to a fever and small bump at the vaccine site?
Please make it make sense!
9 times out of 10, it's autism, ADHD, or any behavior that they don't see as perfect.
Kid "suddenly" became grouchy and temperamental after getting vaccines at their 2 year appointment? Vaccine injured. Totally not them being a normal 2 year old.
My cousin was clearly autistic her whole life, but able to speak and do things for herself. She went through a major regression in puberty (very common, unfortunately), became non speaking, lost a large amount of her skills.My uncle insists her boosters made her become autistic at the age of 11.
They seem to think any reaction at all is a vaccine injury.
Every time I get a vaccine or really any kind of shot at all I have a fever for about 2 days and I get a bruise/bump for a bit. Same thing happens to my kid so we stretched out hers a bit so she didn't have to have more than 2 at a time. I bet you anything those moms would consider those kind of reactions an "injury" even though it's perfectly normal.
God forbid my child receive EGG PROTEIN. When we finally invent a time machine, we should take all antivaxers for a ride to basically any time before the 1950s and have them witness the ravages of childhood disease firsthand.
God damn crunchy moms and their anti vax crap. I’m allergic to the TDaP vaccine and I’m so glad that didn’t deter my mom from getting the rest of my vaccines like I was supposed to. Unfortunately, there was a case of pertussis at my school because of a family lying about vaccine records for their kid, and because of that, I ended up with a bad case of whooping cough that took me out of school for 2 weeks. I was terrified of my kids getting the same allergy, but I knew they needed to be vaccinated to PROTECT THEM. Anti vax idiocy makes me irrationally (I mean is it irrational?) angry.
I have had pertussis and sadly, got it after having the booster vaccine. It was a rare breakthrough case and it was awful. I coughed for six months and almost fully lost my voice at one point. One day my mom had to call 911 because I had a mucus plug while I was trying to eat and couldn't breathe.
I can't even imagine what any of the other diseases would be like if that alone was so bad.
After the initial disease subsided, I needed an inhaler for a good year after getting pertussis. It’s definitely not something to play off as not serious, especially because of like what you described, mucus and coughing so bad you can’t breathe. That’s truly terrifying that you had to go through that!! I’m hoping you don’t have any long term effects from it. That’s what these people don’t get, it’s not just a “barking cough.” That bark is because you can’t catch your breath. Kids die because of pertussis.
I was raised anti-vaxx. My mother put the fear of vaccines into me from a young age with horrible stories of mother’s waking to find their babies cold and dead the day after their vaccines.
I was fucking terrified.
The trauma of that doesn’t go away easily, even with extensive research find that my mother was brainwashed and wrong. I did a delayed schedule with my first child as I worked through the trauma. Their doctor (BLESS HER) was extremely understanding and patient walking me through every vaccine, it’s important use, any side effects to watch out for, etc. I still SOBBED anytime my first child had to get a shot, because of the instilled fear. I would stay up all night, checking her breath, noting any sign of change.
I was scared of the shots, but I was much more afraid of putting my babies lives at risk of preventable illness.
Both of my kids are fully up to date on shots now, and strangely enough….they’re sick less than I am!! 🤔 I had to suffer a cold all by myself recently! Jealous lol.
"But it's poison and not oooooorganic!" Bitch, arsenic, cyanide, mercury, lead, are all naturally occurring in food or other natural resources. You'd likely be poisoned faster being near water or polluted by an volcano. It's rather take the vaccines and not be ill, hen be scared by the what ifs.
My grandma was convinced not to vaccinate my mum for pertussis… aaaand my mum caught it 🤷♀️ obviously she survived it because I exist but it made my grandma never not vaccinate again. The absolute mental gymnastics these women are doing to justify exposing their kids to these diseases is mind boggling.
My mom remembered having pertussis as a little kid and how horribly sick she was. Her baby brother had it at the same time and almost died. The one memory that really stuck with her was how terrified her mother was that she would lose both of them and there was nothing she could do.
With my oldest we just spaced them out like a single week and popped back in for a nurse’s visit and the other shots. I think we only did it when there was 6? I guess that’s not actually a delayed schedule though. We just split them up by a week. My second was getting her shots during lock down and I decided the extra risk of Covid exposure in the office wasn’t worth and we knocked them all out so no “delay”. Then I felt silly for the extra week with my first lol either way, those kids weren’t around people until they had their shots.
Each of my kids has reacted differently to shots and therefore have had personalized spacing based on how quickly they recover and how much grumpy and feverish child I can handle that week. The only way we knew what worked was trial and error with each kid.
I was a chronically ill child, so my pediatrician gave me my vaccines in half-doses and likely spaced them out more. But I still got them all in full and had everything according to schedule by the time I started school.
That was also in the 80s so who knows if that would still be the recommendation for a similar case now.
Egg protein? What’s wrong with egg protein? Do you not feed your kids eggs?
There’s soooo much stupidity in this comment, that just happened to catch my eye in particular.
In Ontario, an unvaccinated kid died to measles for the first time since the 80s. I don't know if they chose to not vaccinate, but f*ck the parents that put their kids lives at risk because they trust social media over trained professionals. If your kid dies because you didn't do what could've prevented it, I hope you feel guilt everyday for the rest of your life.
Today I saw a heartbreaking video on TikTok about a baby who was shaken by her father. It was awful.. I check out the comments and someone says “vaccine side affects can mimic shaken baby syndrome”
They’re really leveling up on the crazy conspiracy theories
It’s wild to me that we have been able to eradicate so many preventable illnesses with vaccines and now because of all these quacks they are running wild again… We did a “delayed” schedule with our kiddos. Aka they got one poke per visit not 4-5. They are fully vaxxed, but yes spacing them out made me feel more comfortable.
God I hate these people and why do they have so many kids??!!! So the kids get “vax injured” but all of their friends and them who’s parents had vaccinated never did?? Munchausen by proxy much?
I read a post the other day of a beautiful little girl, less than a year old, catching the flu and it made her organs shut down. She died in her mummy’s arms. I’m not saying that mum was anti-vax or didn’t vax their kid, but just the thought of what the flu or other viruses can do to babies and children is terrifying. There’s a reason the infant mortality rates aren’t as low as they used to be.
It’s so irritating reading idiotic comments like in the OP. Just cesspool of “I’m pro-bringing back horrible diseases because I think a few minutes of piss poor googling and validation from other crazies” is something to feel good about, ugh.
I checked out that website linked on the 5th pic
They say that they want people to “step outside the system that profits off keeping us sick”. They also like their shop and have a partner program starting at $25 per month and going up to $250 per month
Jesus Christ, scrolling down the page I see them taking about their top donor, a podcast host who covered the “PLANdemic”
At least the group’s founder had somewhat of a trustable background, a degree in Bio-Chemistry from UCSB
I wonder if this "organic" group knows how much literal poison is allowed to be sprayed on their crops and still qualify as "organic." They probably conflate "organic" with "pesticide free" which just isn't the case.
The mercury this is always my favorite and just shows how little they understand anything.
Is water flammable just because it has hydrogen in it, or do compounds change the properties of the elements that make them up?
Table salt has chlorine in it. Does that make it toxic too?
My MIL was like this with my husband because her hair dresser told her he could get autism from being vaccinated 🙄 So when I was pregnant with our first he made a bunch of Dr.Appts to get all of his vaccines and she mentioned it SO MANY times! Just couldn't fathom why he was getting vaccinated
I am convinced the vast majority of these people claiming their kids were injured by shots are either dirty liars or they do not know what that actually means.
Or both. My ex’s mother is convinced her oldest grandchild is “shot-hurt” (her social media term). Her evidence? The child was diagnosed with autism at age three, and ran a mild fever when they got their first vaccine at age 7 when the parents decided to put them in public school. She has no idea what a vaccine reaction, complication, or injury actually is, but she’s latched on to a right-wing “mah free-dumz” talking point and has convinced the whole family. Pathetic.
Well…no, unfortunately. They kept the child out of school until age seven; they blame vaccinations for the autism diagnosis, cognitive delays, serious behavioral issues, and generally being an unpleasant person; and free programs through the county or state to help the child thrive are angrily dismissed as “libruls making fun of us”.
It’s really sad because the child is paying for the adults’ stupidity and substance abuse (which is the likely culprit for some of the aforementioned issues)…but sure, let’s blame the pertussis vaccine.
I remember when I got jumped on when I said that natural selection will have to take these guys out because "what about the people who can't get it?" and I just had to say "am I supposed to strap them down in a doctor office and force it on them?? It sucks that people can't vaccines but there is no other way to do this. Just do what you can to minimize your risk when in public because you can't force it without a literal riot" like I don't like it. At all. But I'm not sure it'd go well if we tried to enforce it legally. Ugh, I wish misinformation didn't exist
How many of these antivax fucks feed their kids meat/dairy/cheese from the factory farming industry (99% of meat consumed in the US comes from factory farms). The amount of diseases, pus, tumors and antibiotics rampant among those animals is huge, yet they’re worried about scientifically tested vaccines?!
These people are dangerous. I had severe health anxiety for myself and especially for my son after a traumatic birth, I’m talking a&e for a tickly cough level anxiety and reading what the say had me second guessing every opinion I ever had on vaccines. I do have anxiety around vaccines still now as my son has had a bad reaction to every one he’s had but I’ll continue getting him vaccinated as it’s still better than him getting one of the things he’s being vaccinated against.
Their logic is so broken.
One post will have you believe that you can "detox" from vaccines.
Another post, like this, will be like: they're poison and FOREVER.
Which is it!?!?
My sister in law does an actual delayed schedule for her kids like - ok they need the 3rd shot by 4 so we'll do it then. Or they don't need another of this shot unless they test and don't have immunity so let's test. I don't agree with her reasonings behind it and don't do that myself for my kids, but she is at least educated and getting them the vaccines just on a different timeline. These people are crazy to just say "NEVER!"
Help me understand "I was vaxxed injured with my first"... Was your first child "vaccine injured" or were you traumatized because your child was "vaccine injured" or did your first child getting vaccinated somehow injure you??
Those comments make me despair.
Well at least that one lady only has 7 kids
Gotta have back ups if you aren’t vaccinating
Why do these kinds of people always have SO MANY damn kids 🥴
Insurance children for the bloodline.
I suppose if they aren’t vaccinating the have to expect some of them will die from preventable diseases 😭
Just like in the olden days!
Probably don’t believe in birth control
WHAT? I'M NOT PUTTING THAT TOXIC CRAP IN MY - Huh? barrier? NO they clearly are still toxic and should not be inside me. Only Goop Sex Oil and my husband's penis go in there. and he had to agree to a full detox for the vaccines my CRAZY MIL insisted he have as a child!
It's hard because I believe in science and am 100% vaccinated, but I have some healthy skepticism about how birth control affected my body. It's hard to express it without sounding like one of those anti science whackadoos
Well, birth control has hormones in it, and hormones can do weird things to some women, so it’s not anti scientific at all!
I couldn't take it, either. Last time I tried it I bled heavily for six weeks straight and ended up having an endometrial ablation (I requested a partial hysterectomy at the time. This was denied on the grounds I might want more children. They decided on the ablation and required me to have my tubes tied on the grounds that pregnancy would be dangerous after all that), so I get it. It's not crazy to note how something affected you. What starts to be out there is when people dismiss the entirety of modern medication and put themselves and their half-dozen children (give or take). (I think the mini pills were not quite on the market at that time)
For what it is worth, birth control is not for everyone and every body is different and anyone who knows science should know that. It can be literally life saving for some and harmful for others and a good reason why it is a part of medical practice and monitored by doctors.
Birth control isn't safe, it is just safer than pregnancy (for most people)
Particularly if you live in a state like Texas, where you may need to go into sepsis before medical intervention.
And people with shit like endometriosis. The weight gain and occasional emotional rollercoasters suck but it is so much better than bleeding out with pain thats at a 12 out of 10 every month.
Birth control has a well documented series of bad side effects, most doctors brush it off as the other well documented medical event: female hysteria. Go on the website of the birth control you’re on, be sure you’re being prescribed it accurately, if you’re not and/or the gynecologist isn’t taking your experience on it very seriously - find a new gynecologist ASAP. There’s nothing wrong with that and it doesn’t make you against science.
Have to keep that quiver full!
Before vaccine, people used to have so many kids because not all would make it...
Because they’re trying to outnumber us. Classic Dominionist thinking.
You know why.
Not surprised. Googled the clown's name, she is the Director of Development for a Catholic church outfit. I imagine the majority, if a local group, are all members.
Director of unDevelopment. Talk about de-evolution.
the Delores umbridge of vaccines
Catholics must have changed since I was in Catholic school. Everyone was vaccinated as we had to be to attend. And nobody quibbled as far as I know. This must be the new Trad Catholics I've been hearing about.
That’s not the Catholic Church line at all, she is being disobedient and a sinner oh oh
I was referring to the number of children. There is also a growing sect of crunchy catholic trays that are rather prominent on FB.
Some of the American Catholic Churches are going to get excommunicated, they have already lost a couple of archbishops because they are becoming too evangelical fundies for the Vatican taste The Catholic Church is clear, you follow doctrine and obey or you are just booted
For now
8 if you count the "vaccine injured" kid
8. She said him and the rest of her 7 kids…😳😂🤦♂️
I read that as 7 total. He's one of the 7, the others are "the rest of" the 7
The longer this goes on the more certain I am idiocracy was sent back in time to warn us
I gasped at that one. I struggled with 3, I cannot imagine 7!
"When they are adults" bold assumption.
I liked “delayed for eternity”, that’s one way to say they won’t be around for long.
Guarantee when their 18 year old get vaccinated by choice, they'll pitch a fit.
I got vaccinated as an adult, my mum was super against them...and yes, she pitched a MAJOR fit.
Soooo many of them come and get vaccinated for school and work too 🤣 and talk about how crazy their parent is. My main job is vaccinating people lol
Can you share a little more about this? How old are they usually and do they seem nervous or really want to get it/generally believe in vaccines?
95% are 18-20 and starting college. Never had any be nervous(well moreso than just regular scared of a needle.) Most will even get the 'extra' vaccines that I recommend even if they're not required. The majority also laugh about their 'crazy parent' and make fun of them 🤣 The rest are usually 20-28 and getting a new job in a field that requires vaccines, like Healthcare
This game best me hope that these kids are at least learning how to think for themselves from somewhere. Scientific literacy is so important, so I'm glad they're still managing to learn.
Thanks for answering!
I’ve read so many stories where people find out they weren’t vaccinated and then lied to on top of it about being vax and they flip shit on their parents. One in particular went into the army and had to catch up on so much and was so mad because they’d already been to foreign countries and put into jeopardy without even being able to make the informed decision about it themselves.
Not yet it isn’t. There’s still enough herd immunity and relative safety of living in a developed and sanitary country that their kids will most likely never experience measles or polio. Give it another 20-30 years of this anti-vax propaganda and there’s a good chance we will start seeing mass outbreaks on the regular, and vaccinating will stop being an option, it’ll be required for any number of things. Idiots are playing a dangerous game and risking everyone else around them. Frustrating to say the least.
That's what I hate so much. They get the benefit of the herd but don't want to be part of the herd. Truly freeloaders.
Yes thank you! I wish it was illegal for them to participate in society. Don't wanna vaccinate? Great. Stay on your own private property. Which means no schools, no hospitals, no grocery stores, no malls. You wanna go it alone? Go for it. But you don't get to come out of your bunker! 😊
A light version of this is how many countries de facto enforce vaccination. If you don't vaccinate your kids, they may not be able to get childcare.
Where I live you can’t even register your dog to use a dog park unless it’s fully vaccinated. My MIL’s dog had all her vaccinations except kennel cough — essentially whooping cough in dogs — and my husband took the pup to the vet for that vaccine so that he could take her to the dog park.
This is different state to state in the US. Some strictly enforce vaccination and will not let kids into daycare or school (including private) without it. Other states don't have laws or don't enforce them
The US used to mandate regular smallpox vaccination. A case actually made it to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the law. (Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905)) The Supreme Court ruled that the compulsory vaccination law did not violate the 14th Amendment because states have the power to constrain individual liberties through reasonable regulations when required to protect public safety. >[Justice Harlan] reasoned that individual liberty does not allow people to take actions regardless of the harm that they could cause to others. Harlan felt that the plaintiff had failed to show that the vaccination law was arbitrary or oppressive, or not reasonably required for the safety of the public. I find this part of the case particularly pertinent to modern antivaxxers. >Although the plaintiff presented evidence that some doctors believed that the smallpox vaccine was not effective and could cause further diseases, Harlan pointed out that the opposite view represents the common medical belief and is followed by more reputable doctors.
I work for the NHS, the UK is already undergoing a measles outbreak, with the majority (though by no means all) of the cases being in children under 10. In 2021 the UK had a total of 360 confirmed measles cases. In 2022 there were 735. In 2023 there were 1603. And in the first 4 months of 2024 there were 1185 confirmed cases - and that's only the figures from January to April! As of 2023 84.5% of 5 year olds have had their MMR vaccines. That means 15% of 5 year olds are totally unprotected from measles (and mumps and rubella for that matter.) Which obviously also does herd immunity no good. Back in March my colleagues and I were all told by occupational health they needed proof of our vaccination status, which had never previously been needed as I'm in an admin, non patient facing role. Those of us who couldn't prove we'd been vaccinated (I know I was, but I struggled to get the GP to send me paper evidence of it) were asked to attend a blood test, to test whether we are immune to measles or not. The nurses who did my blood test told me this was in direct response to the measles outbreak. And that whilst the NHS is only looking to require proof of measles immunity for their staff at the moment, they were actually also going to test for rubella - because whilst there's no rubella outbreak yet they're anticipating there will be one in the coming year. Simply because the same people who were never vaccinated against measles also won't be vaccinated against rubella. Fortunately my tests came back saying I had both measles and rubella antibodies already (thank you mum, she made sure I got EVERY vaccine when I was a kid!) But a few of my colleagues had results come back saying they had no immunity. They've all been required to get an MMR vaccine over the last few months. So it's very much already started!
We've also got a Whooping Cough outbreak as well.
I am getting a dtap vaccine next week because of that. I got my last dtap vaccine 10 years ago while pregnant of my youngest, I am not going to bother with blood test, I am just getting the vaccine, I do not want to catch or pass whooping cough
dude, some anti-vax family in my friend group brought their 3 kids to a playdate we had all scheduled a few months earlier. The problem was that all 3 of their kids had CONFIRMED cases of whooping cough. I was so fucking pissed. They told us after everyone had been there and playing for ~40 minutes already. Luckily my son had all his vaccinations and didn't get anything from it, but another antivax family that was there had their kids come down with it. Look, if for whatever reason you think the personal risk of the vaccine outweighs the benefits (idiotic but w/e) and you choose to not vaccinate your kids? Great. Good for you. At the very least learn to be fucking pragmatic about things and try not to spread shit around.
Well crap. Now I'm off to incognito mode search about Rubella in the US. Learned during my first pregnancy that even though I had all my vaccines I have no immunity against Rubella and it's a vaccine you can't get while pregnant. They were supposed to give me one after I had the baby but it was 2020 so the hospitals and health departments were just a liiiiitle bit busy worrying about the more pressing Covid vaccine. Finally got it after my second pregnancy, but my OB said that many people who come up as non immune during pregnancy just can't get immunity from the vaccine.
Yeah it is very common for certain people to not keep testable immunity. However you probably do have long term immunity, at least some. We just can't easily test for it
We just had a 5 yr old who died of measles this week in the city I work in. There are 5 others with it- all unrelated, ALL unvaxxed. I despair of society at times. When I started in the hospital many years ago I had to prove my vaccinations were up to date. As I’d moved from Scotland I didn’t have access to them so i had to have antibody titres done and vaccinations for any that i was not showing immunity to. I work in a Children’s hospital so I’m always scared some unvaxxed kid will give me a disease that I can’t fight off as I’m immunocompromized. I just got norovirus a few weeks ago as there was an outbreak on a ward I never go to. I’m crapping myself that I come into contact with a measles kid.
Urgh I heard about the child who died from measles, it's so infuriating and so so sad, this was absolutely preventable. Don't they have to be vaccinated to go to school here? Or are there some exemptions?
They are supposed to be, and yes people somehow manage to get bullshit exemptions.
I just got (yet another) MMR series. I never convert and become immune. But I started a new job and they mandated me to get it when I showed no immunity. With the measles coming back due to these AH antivax cultists, it’s awful.
There's already outbreaks of measles going around in some places already. Was a kid in Canada who died from measles just this week.
So sad. Over in the UK we have had 5 babies die of whooping cough Jan-March this year.
yeah, if you look at the case data in pretty much all of the developed world, measles cases are steadily rising. It's really sad and frustrating.
In 20-30 years they can catch chickenpox and die
And it's already started with the measles, too!
yeah, many people don't realize that until covid measles was the most contagious disease with serious complications we had dealt with in modern (last ~100 years) society. measles is already starting to have larger and more consistent outbreaks in pockets around the country and it's only going to get worse.
I've been in healthcare 10 years (pre-hospital side of things) and I firmly believe that Covid is just the beginning.
There’s already measles outbreaks in my area and I’m a non responder to vaccines so it’s actually genuinely concerning since I’m adult.
Problem is, smart people getting vaccines creates herd immunity for these stupid fuckers kids and they are much less likely to catch something than back in ye olde times, thus backing up their misguided opinions that vaccines aren’t necessary. Sigh.
I was “delayed” until I turned 18. Catching up has been a nightmare. Fighting with insurance to convince them I never got the vaccines until now so I still need them covered. Getting everything in the span of 5 years. Didn’t realize how painful and sick some of them make you for a day or so, so messing with my adult work and school schedule. I would give a lot to just have gotten them normally as a kid.
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*IF they become adults
People get so pissed in moms’ groups if you make any comments that aren’t straight-up agreement, no matter how fucking crazy the original post is.
They only ever look for validation. They often put "no unsupportive comments please!" which actually means "only comment if you agree".
I’d say they deserve what’s coming to them for their ignorance, but the problem is their lack of vaccinating their children actually does affect the community is a very real way (and their poor kids don’t deserve it). People that can’t vaccinate for legitimate reasons/babies and children not fully vaxxed are put at unnecessary risk. Diseases that should be stomped out are coming back with a prevalence. It’s disgusting and selfish…. and dumb. A lot of dumb. I’ll get off my soapbox now, lol
They deserve to be treated like what they are, which is negligent parents. Not vaccinating is medical neglect, period. (Obviously unless there’s an actual medical reason for it.)
"I wish to god I wasn't vaccinated" damn lady, you might be alive to wish this because you were vaccinated. Also to the "poison is poison" people, I'd love to know how many of these people drink alcohol. Probably on insta like "Gotta chill out with my totally organic vegan wine at the end of the day xo"
I wish to God I wasn't vaccinated is one of the most bias and privileged statements I've ever read. Just absolutely reeks of no knowledge outside of their own bubble.
I know someone like this. She drinks colloidal silver daily. Yet refuses to drink the local tap water and get any vaccines because of the heavy metals in it. She believes chemtrails are putting the heavy metals into the local tap water.
I saw a local store selling this. She makes it herself. Someone asked me what it was for, to drink? I said surely not. They asked the shop owner. It is. PEOPLE DRINK THAT BUT WON'T VACCINATE. That's a statement I cannot reconcile on my brain. It hurts.
Is she blue yet? "Argyria is a rare skin condition that can happen if silver builds up in your body over a long time. It can turn your skin, eyes, internal organs, nails, and gums a blue-gray color, especially in areas of your body exposed to sunlight. That change in your skin color is permanent."
Sounds like they're really trying to make it a common skin condition
Not yet. I told her I’m going to tell her I told you so when she turns blue one of these days. She said that’s just a myth big pharma put out to keep you from taking any natural meds/cures.
So she is grifting for Big Colloidal!
She doesn't sound the brightest.
Literally the most basic principle of toxicology is that the dose makes the poison - anything is toxic in some amount. “Poison is poison” is the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard.
Exactly ! Consuming too much water could lead to death.
Rant incoming. These women make me SO MAD. I wasn’t vaccinated after 6 months old. My mother already leaned anti-vax and I had a reaction to DTaP (fever and swelling, like a lot of kids do) and that threw her fully into an anti-vax frenzy. Now, as an adult, I’m paying for her inability to just administer infant Tylenol and listen to her doctor. My son was exposed to chicken pox at his daycare this week. He is vaccinated but is only 6 months old, so not old enough to have the rubella vaccine. I now get to spend the next 21 days worrying about my infant AND myself getting chicken pox, because I of course never had it as a child either and my mother quit vaccinating me before I was old enough for that one. So much of this stupid anti vax bullshit is just so they can pat themselves on the back for their own superiority complexes and has not one single thing to do with protecting their children. Anti-vax is a disgusting movement and I cannot believe that we don’t regulate it better in the US. These kids deserve better, because they will be adults one day with different lives than their parents
Just an fyi- as long as you’re not pregnant, you can (and should) get the chicken pox vaccine as an adult. I just had to get re-vaccinated because I no longer had antibodies, was super easy. Your GP can probably give it but if not, most pharmacies will have it.
I actually have an annual physical coming up this week and plan to ask about it! It’s too late this time around but it’s not the only thing I need to catch up on. I’m more annoyed that this is a thing I have to do because someone else felt the need to play fast and loose with my health
The varicella (chicken pox) vaccine was only released in 1995, so there are probably a lot of adults your age in your same shoes just because of availability at the time. Both my husband and I had parents that followed the vax schedule but we were born a year apart and I got the vaccine and he didn’t! Just a little fun tidbit
I was born in 1990 and my best friend got leukemia in kindergarten, so we had chicken pox parties to get us all sick *before* she started chemo and then the shot came out later that year 😖
That's sad but also kind of sweet that everyone was trying to protect her.
I was born in 1989…got chicken pox about 6 months before the vaccine was available. Like, my parents knew it was coming out, or maybe it was out and I was just waiting for my next doctor appointment. So frustrating.
Yep. I was 7 when the vaccine came out. And had a 9 year old sibling. I definitely got the chicken pox long before the vaccine came out. It's crazy to remember how prevalent it was and it was almost a guarantee that you were going to get it before age 10. The ones who never got it as a kid (before the vaccine) were the odd ones out. Like, were you living under a rock? And that is basically what all of those diseases were like before vaccines. I can't imagine watching my kid get sick with all of those viruses and basically crossing my fingers hoping they didn't suffer permanent damage or had a bad case that could kill them. I was "vaccine injured" twice. But I have gotten titers drawn and 20 years later I'm still not at risk of getting measles, mumps, or rubella. Completely worth it.
Chickenpox prevalence actually depends a lot on where you live. In more temperate climates, basically every kid gets it. Closer to the equator it’s much less common.
I think a lot of people who didn't get it as a child and whose parents weren't intentionally avoiding it probably just had a mild case. My mother thought I never had it even though my brother did so when I got pregnant I had my titers checked to see if I'd need a vaccine and I had the antibodies. I chaulk it up to mild case + second child syndrome (plur my brother had it baaadddd - in his ear canals and on his penis). I only knew to ask about tigers because my friend had to get hers done to work at an international school and turns out her MMR didn't take so she had to get it redone. I got my MMR re-upped when I went to Africa and had to get a bunch of shots anyway because we were flying through Europe and them and the Americans were having a huge outbreak at the time.
I didn’t know that! My husband who was born in 97 got it so at least we don’t have to worry about him too lol
This is a very good point. I had chicken pox as a kid, around the time the vaccine became available. I didn’t receive the vaccine because we thought having chicken pox already would give me immunity, and I honestly never worried about it again. However, now in my second pregnancy I discovered that I don’t in fact still have antibodies, and now I’m vulnerable until after I give birth and can get the vaccine. I don’t think a lot of people know that immunity can wear off.
Yeah I certainly didn’t! I only know because of a bunch of testing I had to do for IVF. Apparently it’s extremely common to lose your immunities later in adulthood (I also got the vaccine right when it came out in the 90s, possible it’s better and lasts longer now)
I never got the chicken pox vaccine since it wasn’t released until I was older. My husband had shingles several years ago and I got chicken pox from him. At age 30. The doctor hadn’t seen a case in so long he found a medical textbook to compare the sores to verify. I was miserable. So yeah, my kids get all the vaccines they are eligible for. My youngest has a lot of allergies and I’m worried we’re going to end up needing to skip some for her if she has a bad reaction.
I was going to bring up that chicken pizza also runs the risk of unbearable pain of shingles in the future. Ugh. So sorry you dealt with that :(
This is a hilarious auto correct.
Yeah my mom had shingles (was not vaxed because it wasn't possible in communist Poland, but she had chicken pox as a child) after covid (which she was vaxed for, but got anyway) because getting covid absolutely destroys your immune system. Absolute worst pain ever, I felt so sorry for her
You hit the nail on the head with it all being about self-centred people needing to have some kind of unique identity to stand out. Not one thought spared for their kids who have to live with the consequences of them being immature, attention seeking Facebook addicts.
> I had a reaction to DTaP (fever and swelling, like a lot of kids do) and that threw her fully into an anti-vax frenzy. What’s crazy is that babies in general are super sensitive to stuff. A lot of babies are born with rashes. They have allergies and sensitivities. They get sick a ton. *This is normal*. Its part of developing an immune response.
What’s crazy to me now, is my son had the exact same reaction. Swelling in his thigh at the injection site and a fever for 24 hours. I gave him the recommended dose of infant Tylenol and snuggled him a bit extra. He wasn’t any worse for wear, and aside from taking a longer than average nap, you would have never known anything was wrong, and it was certainly a preferable issue when compared to the things that shot covers. I swear, these idiots think any reaction at all is a sign the vaccine is bad
According to one commenter “it only takes one vaccine to cause damage”. Shockingly enough, the same could be said for measles, mumps, diphtheria, pertussis, etc. And it’s a lot more likely for your kid to contract one of these illnesses and end up with debilitating side effects.
Didn't a toddler just die from measles in Canada?
Yup! They were under 5 years old and unvaccinated from what I understand.
I'd much rather deal with the totally normal side effects of a vaccine than plan a preventable funeral. That poor child.
I wish the parents could be charged. My heart breaks for the child whose death was entirely preventable.
I'm currently in the city where that poor baby was from. Thankfully my 3 year old niece who lives here is vaccinated according to the Ontario recommended schedule so has had her MMR. The Toronto area has had a few measles cases in the past few years but this was the first death since 1989. Unacceptable. My sister (my niece's mom) used to be very anti-medication for herself, like not even taking a Tylenol for a headache so we were mildly concerned that she might end up being an anti-vaxxer when she got pregnant but she's very pro-medical treatment for the baby. I was worried last week that I had shingles and we'd been planning a family celebration for this weekend. I was told in no uncertain terms that I wasn't coming near the house if I did have them, since they can spread chicken pox and the baby is too young for that vaxx. (thankfully not shingles, just an allergy rash and coincidental nerve pain at the same thing cause that's the way my luck goes).
OMG I didn't hear about this and now I'm terrified for my 3-year-old. FFS. She's got all her vaccines according to schedule but I think there's supposed to be a second MMR at 4. So now I'm freaking out. Fucking antivaxx idiots.
The one dose gives good immunity until the second one. She’s already protected so no need to be terrified! Of course take any precautions your local health department recommends if there’s a local outbreak.
The child that passed was in Hamilton so hopefully if you're right in Toronto, your little one is fine! I guess about a week ago they contacted people who'd been at Hamilton's children's hospital and a couple other places because a few people tested positive. I live in Toronto myself and hadn't heard a thing about it until my sister was talking about it because they were at that hospital just a couple days before the date in question. I feel awful for the family, but also, this was so easily avoidable.
The first dose gives 85-90% immunity and if it doesn’t prevent symptomatic infection, it generally lessens the severity of the infection.
I'm glad you don't have shingles, but allergy rashes are horrible too. Your sister is right. Pox as a kid, shingles as an adult. Same virus that lays dormant for decades, before surprising you all over again. Just as contagious as chicken pox.
These people always remind of that guy who listed the chemicals in an apple and asked the antivax dumbasses which they had a problem with and they said, "all of them".
Omg lmfao. Goes to show how ignorant these people are.
And I have gotten sicker from eating apples than from getting a vaccine. Thanks IBS.
My favorite one is the one that lists the “ingredients” as a gotcha. “Multiple viruses” yeah hun that’s the point “DNA” …as if nothing else we consume or inject has DNA? “Egg protein” NO NOT THE EGG PROTEIN Not to mention mercury and antibiotics??? Like… what? A mercury salt used to be in vaccines and was removed decades ago for no scientific reason and why would we inject antibiotics?
Oh no is egg protein bad?????!! Oh no how will I get protein as a vegetarian nowwww 😱 Egg protein? Oh, the humanity! The last comment passive aggressively question the OOP is so infuriating especially. Trying to point fingers at that person genuinely asking a question and looking for advice. How about you tell us why youre letting your kid walk around unvaxxed and potentially being able to get all sorts of diseases and spread them on to others, especially others who can't vaccinate and need that herd immunity?
One of the pics still has 2 full names. The second to last slide.
"Group expert" 😂
Definitely no experts in that group. Everybody in there makes me feel like a rocket scientist.
So scary, these mom's are willing to allow diseases that had been eradicated to come back. Here in my county, they just issued a statement that we're having a pertussis outbreak. And from what I'm reading, sounds like I'm long overdue for a new tdap booster.
Go get that booster. Pertussis is awful!!!
I will! I didn't even know until I saw a post from my bestie on FB. She's a double lung transplant recipient. So, I'm always extra cautious with her and illness.
My kids’ pediatric office (the same one that my mom/aunts went to and my sisters and I all went to, I’m proud to say) have a sign up in their exam rooms that basically says “we vaccinate here because science is a real thing, so if you aren’t gonna vaxx, kindly GTFO.” I also just found out the preschool my oldest will be attending in fall requires a doctor’s signature that states that the child is up to date on all vaccinations. When I looked at the preschool employee in happy disbelief, stating I was excited I wouldn’t have to worry about unvaxxed kids, she went “wait is that a thing?” I was like “oh, girl, let me tell you…” Edited for clarity
My husband made a joke about not vaccinating at our son's pediatrician and she just flat out said that we would have to find another clinic should we go down that route. At our current pediatrician, they always look slightly anxious when they ask about vaccines and then look relieved when I excitedly say yes, we will be getting vaccines today! No, I don't have questions just pump that shit into my kids. (I don't say all that, but I think it lol)
The second one is how ours is as well. They ask, bracing themselves for nonsense and when we say yes they get really happy. The same thing happens when I go to the dentist and they offer fluoride. I never had a dentist offer before, it was always just assumed.
"bUt MuY fReEdOmS"
Vaccine injured. I want to smack these people
This term drives me nuts. What does it even mean? All of these people’s children could surely not have *almost* died from vaccines. Are they referring to a fever and small bump at the vaccine site? Please make it make sense!
9 times out of 10, it's autism, ADHD, or any behavior that they don't see as perfect. Kid "suddenly" became grouchy and temperamental after getting vaccines at their 2 year appointment? Vaccine injured. Totally not them being a normal 2 year old. My cousin was clearly autistic her whole life, but able to speak and do things for herself. She went through a major regression in puberty (very common, unfortunately), became non speaking, lost a large amount of her skills.My uncle insists her boosters made her become autistic at the age of 11.
They like to use it as an excuse for their children’s very real diagnoses. It’s not autism. It’s vaccine injured.
They seem to think any reaction at all is a vaccine injury. Every time I get a vaccine or really any kind of shot at all I have a fever for about 2 days and I get a bruise/bump for a bit. Same thing happens to my kid so we stretched out hers a bit so she didn't have to have more than 2 at a time. I bet you anything those moms would consider those kind of reactions an "injury" even though it's perfectly normal.
You’re right. That’s not injured. That’s how vaccines work to elicit an immune response. To protect you from disease
While they make It their kids ingest colloidal silver yet do heavy metal detoxes and avoid “poisonous” vaccines. Lol fuckin whackos.
So glad that one lady had 7 kids 😫
Bet she free birthed them too.
Under fairy lights!
With a dirty garden hose in her backyard no doubt lol
God forbid my child receive EGG PROTEIN. When we finally invent a time machine, we should take all antivaxers for a ride to basically any time before the 1950s and have them witness the ravages of childhood disease firsthand.
Just drop them off and leave them there. That’s their utopia isn’t it? Congrats buddy you get to live here now. Good luck.
“Protecting” their kids from formaldehyde, mercury…and egg proteins 🤡
God damn crunchy moms and their anti vax crap. I’m allergic to the TDaP vaccine and I’m so glad that didn’t deter my mom from getting the rest of my vaccines like I was supposed to. Unfortunately, there was a case of pertussis at my school because of a family lying about vaccine records for their kid, and because of that, I ended up with a bad case of whooping cough that took me out of school for 2 weeks. I was terrified of my kids getting the same allergy, but I knew they needed to be vaccinated to PROTECT THEM. Anti vax idiocy makes me irrationally (I mean is it irrational?) angry.
I have had pertussis and sadly, got it after having the booster vaccine. It was a rare breakthrough case and it was awful. I coughed for six months and almost fully lost my voice at one point. One day my mom had to call 911 because I had a mucus plug while I was trying to eat and couldn't breathe. I can't even imagine what any of the other diseases would be like if that alone was so bad.
After the initial disease subsided, I needed an inhaler for a good year after getting pertussis. It’s definitely not something to play off as not serious, especially because of like what you described, mucus and coughing so bad you can’t breathe. That’s truly terrifying that you had to go through that!! I’m hoping you don’t have any long term effects from it. That’s what these people don’t get, it’s not just a “barking cough.” That bark is because you can’t catch your breath. Kids die because of pertussis.
I still use an inhaler after having pertussis in 2001
I was raised anti-vaxx. My mother put the fear of vaccines into me from a young age with horrible stories of mother’s waking to find their babies cold and dead the day after their vaccines. I was fucking terrified. The trauma of that doesn’t go away easily, even with extensive research find that my mother was brainwashed and wrong. I did a delayed schedule with my first child as I worked through the trauma. Their doctor (BLESS HER) was extremely understanding and patient walking me through every vaccine, it’s important use, any side effects to watch out for, etc. I still SOBBED anytime my first child had to get a shot, because of the instilled fear. I would stay up all night, checking her breath, noting any sign of change. I was scared of the shots, but I was much more afraid of putting my babies lives at risk of preventable illness. Both of my kids are fully up to date on shots now, and strangely enough….they’re sick less than I am!! 🤔 I had to suffer a cold all by myself recently! Jealous lol.
"But it's poison and not oooooorganic!" Bitch, arsenic, cyanide, mercury, lead, are all naturally occurring in food or other natural resources. You'd likely be poisoned faster being near water or polluted by an volcano. It's rather take the vaccines and not be ill, hen be scared by the what ifs.
My aunt died of Scarlet Fever, in the 1920s. My grandfather had TB. I've met people who had Polio, spent time in an iron lung as children. No thanks.
My mother had life long nerve pain because of polio in her 20’s. It was not a good life for her.
My grandma was convinced not to vaccinate my mum for pertussis… aaaand my mum caught it 🤷♀️ obviously she survived it because I exist but it made my grandma never not vaccinate again. The absolute mental gymnastics these women are doing to justify exposing their kids to these diseases is mind boggling.
My mom remembered having pertussis as a little kid and how horribly sick she was. Her baby brother had it at the same time and almost died. The one memory that really stuck with her was how terrified her mother was that she would lose both of them and there was nothing she could do.
Id throw an onion at parents like these, but they'd just put them in their child's socks instead of actually treating them for any illness.
How dare you let your child be exposed to HUMAN PROTEINS!!!!!
With my oldest we just spaced them out like a single week and popped back in for a nurse’s visit and the other shots. I think we only did it when there was 6? I guess that’s not actually a delayed schedule though. We just split them up by a week. My second was getting her shots during lock down and I decided the extra risk of Covid exposure in the office wasn’t worth and we knocked them all out so no “delay”. Then I felt silly for the extra week with my first lol either way, those kids weren’t around people until they had their shots.
Each of my kids has reacted differently to shots and therefore have had personalized spacing based on how quickly they recover and how much grumpy and feverish child I can handle that week. The only way we knew what worked was trial and error with each kid.
I was a chronically ill child, so my pediatrician gave me my vaccines in half-doses and likely spaced them out more. But I still got them all in full and had everything according to schedule by the time I started school. That was also in the 80s so who knows if that would still be the recommendation for a similar case now.
Egg protein? What’s wrong with egg protein? Do you not feed your kids eggs? There’s soooo much stupidity in this comment, that just happened to catch my eye in particular.
In Ontario, an unvaccinated kid died to measles for the first time since the 80s. I don't know if they chose to not vaccinate, but f*ck the parents that put their kids lives at risk because they trust social media over trained professionals. If your kid dies because you didn't do what could've prevented it, I hope you feel guilt everyday for the rest of your life.
Yep, if my kid gets a broken leg I wait til he’s an adult to let him make the choice to seek healthcare /s
Fuck it bring back polio lets see these mom groups talk about out the best way to decorate an iron lung
I was just thinking we need a resurgence of polio to shut these people up
It is unfortunately coming back 😵💫 More and More cases are popping up throughout the US
Today I saw a heartbreaking video on TikTok about a baby who was shaken by her father. It was awful.. I check out the comments and someone says “vaccine side affects can mimic shaken baby syndrome” They’re really leveling up on the crazy conspiracy theories
It’s wild to me that we have been able to eradicate so many preventable illnesses with vaccines and now because of all these quacks they are running wild again… We did a “delayed” schedule with our kiddos. Aka they got one poke per visit not 4-5. They are fully vaxxed, but yes spacing them out made me feel more comfortable.
The last comment 🫥 wow
We can't even have egg protein anymore?? Lol
God I hate these people and why do they have so many kids??!!! So the kids get “vax injured” but all of their friends and them who’s parents had vaccinated never did?? Munchausen by proxy much?
I read a post the other day of a beautiful little girl, less than a year old, catching the flu and it made her organs shut down. She died in her mummy’s arms. I’m not saying that mum was anti-vax or didn’t vax their kid, but just the thought of what the flu or other viruses can do to babies and children is terrifying. There’s a reason the infant mortality rates aren’t as low as they used to be.
My kids currently have whooping cough, they are pretty poorly with it. I dread to think how they'd be if they hadn't been vaccinated!
It’s so irritating reading idiotic comments like in the OP. Just cesspool of “I’m pro-bringing back horrible diseases because I think a few minutes of piss poor googling and validation from other crazies” is something to feel good about, ugh.
“My kid almost died on us multiple times from vaccine injury” ??? Hmm…
The one who lists all the “ingredients” in vaccines including human protein and DNA takes the cake for me. Like babe…what’s more natural than that😂
I checked out that website linked on the 5th pic They say that they want people to “step outside the system that profits off keeping us sick”. They also like their shop and have a partner program starting at $25 per month and going up to $250 per month Jesus Christ, scrolling down the page I see them taking about their top donor, a podcast host who covered the “PLANdemic” At least the group’s founder had somewhat of a trustable background, a degree in Bio-Chemistry from UCSB
I wonder if this "organic" group knows how much literal poison is allowed to be sprayed on their crops and still qualify as "organic." They probably conflate "organic" with "pesticide free" which just isn't the case.
The mercury this is always my favorite and just shows how little they understand anything. Is water flammable just because it has hydrogen in it, or do compounds change the properties of the elements that make them up? Table salt has chlorine in it. Does that make it toxic too?
My MIL was like this with my husband because her hair dresser told her he could get autism from being vaccinated 🙄 So when I was pregnant with our first he made a bunch of Dr.Appts to get all of his vaccines and she mentioned it SO MANY times! Just couldn't fathom why he was getting vaccinated
I am convinced the vast majority of these people claiming their kids were injured by shots are either dirty liars or they do not know what that actually means.
Or both. My ex’s mother is convinced her oldest grandchild is “shot-hurt” (her social media term). Her evidence? The child was diagnosed with autism at age three, and ran a mild fever when they got their first vaccine at age 7 when the parents decided to put them in public school. She has no idea what a vaccine reaction, complication, or injury actually is, but she’s latched on to a right-wing “mah free-dumz” talking point and has convinced the whole family. Pathetic.
The level of patience I have for this shit is dwindling. Hot damn I hope the kids parents are less stupid than the grandma
Well…no, unfortunately. They kept the child out of school until age seven; they blame vaccinations for the autism diagnosis, cognitive delays, serious behavioral issues, and generally being an unpleasant person; and free programs through the county or state to help the child thrive are angrily dismissed as “libruls making fun of us”. It’s really sad because the child is paying for the adults’ stupidity and substance abuse (which is the likely culprit for some of the aforementioned issues)…but sure, let’s blame the pertussis vaccine.
The “poison is poison” mindset is so painfully dumb. Water is poison… in the wrong dose.
Breastmilk has aluminum in it… they quite literally don’t know anything.
Gasp! DNA? Not in MY child
I remember when I got jumped on when I said that natural selection will have to take these guys out because "what about the people who can't get it?" and I just had to say "am I supposed to strap them down in a doctor office and force it on them?? It sucks that people can't vaccines but there is no other way to do this. Just do what you can to minimize your risk when in public because you can't force it without a literal riot" like I don't like it. At all. But I'm not sure it'd go well if we tried to enforce it legally. Ugh, I wish misinformation didn't exist
How many of these antivax fucks feed their kids meat/dairy/cheese from the factory farming industry (99% of meat consumed in the US comes from factory farms). The amount of diseases, pus, tumors and antibiotics rampant among those animals is huge, yet they’re worried about scientifically tested vaccines?!
Last week a child in my province died of measles. First one since 1989. But tell me again how it’s vaccines that are the problem…
These people are dangerous. I had severe health anxiety for myself and especially for my son after a traumatic birth, I’m talking a&e for a tickly cough level anxiety and reading what the say had me second guessing every opinion I ever had on vaccines. I do have anxiety around vaccines still now as my son has had a bad reaction to every one he’s had but I’ll continue getting him vaccinated as it’s still better than him getting one of the things he’s being vaccinated against.
Their logic is so broken. One post will have you believe that you can "detox" from vaccines. Another post, like this, will be like: they're poison and FOREVER. Which is it!?!?
Look at these people, thinking their kids will make it to adulthood to decide if they want to vaccinate on their own.
My sister in law does an actual delayed schedule for her kids like - ok they need the 3rd shot by 4 so we'll do it then. Or they don't need another of this shot unless they test and don't have immunity so let's test. I don't agree with her reasonings behind it and don't do that myself for my kids, but she is at least educated and getting them the vaccines just on a different timeline. These people are crazy to just say "NEVER!"
I like my children alive… hence had all the jabs!!
I don’t want to live on this planet anymore
Help me understand "I was vaxxed injured with my first"... Was your first child "vaccine injured" or were you traumatized because your child was "vaccine injured" or did your first child getting vaccinated somehow injure you??