His "Curious Conversation of Iskander Khayon" is one of my favorite fan works in this setting anyone's ever made. So good, and the guy voicing Khayon *nails* it.
Occulus crosses into being it's own fan lore though which makes it even better. Also obviously Leutin09 is good, he is more like a source agglomerator though. Wish he would post sources honestly so I could trace stuff myself.
That's wild to me but fair enough. I just found it curious the person I responded to suggested Arbitor Ian was the only person who had those skills. When regardless of how you feel about him, Leutin to me, matches those same skills.
That would be a problem given that I am British and my accent isn't that different to his. He just comes across as far too self-important for someone who, when it comes down to it, hasn't actually created any of the subject he talks about.
I guess I can kind of understand that. He'll be quick to shit talk a lot of the 40k lore landscape, which can defs make him feel pompous.
But at the same time the stuff he gets annoyed about can be pretty fair imo, given the way his very big picture approach to 40k. Communities like this one do well to get newcomers out of the mindset that 40k is a set universe the way something like LOTR is. It contradicts itself pretty often and numbers can be nonsensical(the number of full astartes in lore is apparently around a million and they somehow meaningfully contribute to the defense of humanity's million _planets_.
Luetin works hard at drawing lines between what is clearly defined in lore and what is not. He'll offer multiple theories on things that are murky and point out his favorite, then reiterate that nobody actually knows. Most good ones do, even oculus imperia's character framing is not someone who knows that all this shit happened. He's just an archivist and the channel is a set of recordings about the texts he's gone over. The character doesn't claim to know truth.
There are far more youtubers who set up their personal frame of reference as some obvious truth. or worse, project their own beliefs onto the warhammer universe and set that up as "the real warhammer".
Leutins approach to lore wants more debate, it wants as many angles and sources for the things as possible to try paint a clearer picture. He has to actually filter through feedback looking for sourced counterarguments that make sense. I can only imagine how much of his inbox is a flood of "but sargon said..." or something along similar lines. I'd be an ass about it too lol.
I was looking for Leutin09! Yeah he reads a fuckton into the lore but I've always liked philosophizing about different worlds and how they might work, his videos make me go down mental rabbit holes while listening to audiobooks and then I have to rewind
I don't consider Ian to be a LoreTuber, at least not primarily one. I actually enjoy his videos about the history of the game and franchise more than his lore videos.
I feel personally attacked for my YouTube consumption...
Look my love for channels like Luetin09 (he must be an handfull to hang with, but I appreciate the passion) baldemort, Arbitor Ian and Snipe an Wib is staying.
This is kinda unrelated I guess but the first time I heard his voice my gf was listening to him and I was like "Why...are you listening to Sargon of Akkad talk about warhammer" before realizing he's a totally different dude, and to this day I feel bad about insulting him :(
I once found a channel where Sargon read historical documents audiobook-style and thought "Man, if he just stuck to this, imagine how things could have been different."
There are great 40k lore channels, but those weird YT short clout goblins who just basically quote the wiki are annoying af. Not just cause they themselves are annoying. But also because the wiki's I've seen on 40k tend to be unreliable
Yeah quoting the wiki is just bad content no matter what the subject is so many youtubers do it but honestly when it comes to warhammer as long as its fun to listen to I don't care if its not always accurate
This is gonna be rude to some of those content creators but a lot of them I've noticed are uninspired hacks. Like I like that they love 40k. It's great! But I'm talking about a narrow group of Youtubers who seem like they are just making vids cause it's popular and easier to monetize at the moment
Is it rude the ones who are just jumping on a band wagon know who they are. Could be worse we could be getting more channels like arch or gamza I'd take anything over more of them
Yeah, it feels like post Dark Souls people have lost the ability to engage with any sort of plot on their own, and it’s birthed an entire industry of people on YouTube offering summaries with varying levels of accuracy.
Not really, I’d rather a lore podcast admit they might not have understood something correctly than just present a poor understanding of the lore as being 100% irrefutable facts.
Then still try to get into the nitty gritty of lore with their focus vids. Also I feel like they really just went off in the last year or so, becoming much more about dumb jokes and "arent the night lords cool" and less actual lore
Ad Ridic is great bc they realize 40k is absurd and they revel in it. This is entertainment I don’t get why ppl get mad at ppl having fun. Calling the head of the Black Templars the CEO of racism will always be funny to me.
He does the thing described in the original post. He paraphrases wiki articles and passes it off as original content because he puts his face over other people's artwork
Ok for an example of someone who's done the research and put it together into a coherent product, I would recommend Arbiter Ian's video on the Badab War, or even his piece on the history of the lore of the Horus Heresy, if you're feeling nasty
Oculus has done a few AoS videos, framing it as his character's "strange dreams" of another realm.
His vid for Sons of Behamat is one of his best ever, imo.
I’d love for half of his character to get sucked thru a warp gate into the age of sigmar so he could document the rest of that world. His videos on the age of myth and chaos were awesome. His stuff is so polished and eloquent and the in universe perspective is so unique it’s hard to get into any other lore content, other than his. Oculus eats every other lore channel up
It’s a fun approach, bit like the old Liber Chaotica books. And agreed on the Sons of Behemat one, especially loved him audibly sighing before every foot pun
I like Baldemort, Arbitor Ian, Oculus Impera, Wolf Lord Rho, the remembrancer and some of Luetin's stuff.
Yeah I like lore rambling when I paint I guess
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As long as I dont have to read 1500 +++ pages of Horus Hersey.
I have horrible news for you if you think the 1500 pages is anywhere close to how long that series currently is. Unironically you're missing a zero and then almost double it.
There's nothing inherently wrong with getting lore from a second hand source rather straight from a book or whatever, but you crucially miss the perspectives and opinions of the characters and instead get cold, hard facts and statements. And maybe facts should be in quotation marks.
And that gives someone an entirely different perception of the setting. E.g. you might actually think the Imperium is good and justified without all the context that comes in a novel.
Take the first 3 Horus Heresy books for example. If you see the genocide of civilisations and what happened to Ignace Karkasy essentially in the form of bullet points rather than prose, then you probably wont realise how fucked up it is. Without context it becomes sanitised.
I think this is a major root of all the problems within 40k lore discussions.
Hot take but I think a lot of people who listen to audio books might process a novel in a similar way to a YouTube summary or Wikipedia page. At least if the book doesn't have their full attention.
I listened to Horus Heresy trilogy while driving. It's still pretty damn obvious what's actually going on. The first book was probably the best on the Imperium because it's mostly about how utterly unnecessary most of their wars are. They killed the Bloodbowlers!
I once sent a guy wiki sources, book quotes, and literal in game texture files. But he still insisted he was right because he remembered a thing from a lore video.
I don’t really care how you consume lore but I do care when you start taking it more seriously than the authors ever did. When people get emotionally invested to the point where any change feels like a personal attack is where I take issue. At the end of the day it’s a corporate commodity that you have no ownership of beyond the models you’ve purchased.
I'm a simp for Grimdark Narrator he mostly reads verbatim from books and codexes as far as I can tell. However he also does book readings and basically has put together a small library of audiobooks. From what I can tell he started because he had a buddy who was blind and wanted to share his love of warhammer/battletech/dune with him.
They are great resources, but nothing beats actually reading the material yourself and coming to your own conclusions. I’m about halfway through all the star wars legends books, and once I’m done I’m gonna start reading as many warhammer books as I can
I used to listen to Lorehammer before they disbanded. I stopped when I realized they were literally just reading the wiki and getting obvious shit totally wrong.
Idk what communities you're looking at, every SCP community tends to cluster around a different canon because different groups of authors have collab'd to make a bunch of canons which is pretty cool
If you want a "canon" you can make your own universe separate from SCP. Otherwise enforcing your own Canon is just ruining other people's fun. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that
no one is enforcing things, that's why it's different tales, it's been that way for longer than it's been a different way
the only ones trying to ruin other people's fun are the people who want the myriad of small separate canons to stop being a thing
And you referred to it ruining the entire 'thing' in general. All I'm saying is that clusters of fans deciding certain things between themselves has no bearing on the source at all. The wiki is the source and remains high quality as ever.
You know there's this thing called "communities" where we people who like a thing get together to talk about a thing. And sometimes large section of that community are annoying or problematic, and thus push us away from the thing we like. And sometimes all the people who get pushed out come together to form a new community, like something called sigmarxism...
Two things. First, you really shouldn't read most Warhammer books because they are mostly awful. With only a couple of standout books. Second is that audiobooks exist. You can just listen to then while building/painting
Only time it's handy is for pulling up incredibly obscure facts that aren't in wikis or the person has actual connection to the work and contributes new info or insights into the process/universe that made the thing.
Or I'm bored af and just put Elder Scrolls youtube on to vague out.
It's insane how much is on the fandom.wiki and lexicanum, *with sources*, and how much of the fandom can't even be fucked to look *there* for actually accurate lore. At this point, you can have a nearly complete knowledge of both 40k's and AoS's entire in-game histories, and your only weak spot of info would be the actual in-universe dialogue.
While the straight up summary youtubers are a bit cringe. I'm a huge oculus Imperia fan. You can feel the love and care he puts into his work to make it really feel as in-universe as possible imo.
Flanderization is a menace, both in the official lore and in the memes:
* Dark Angels hunt the Fallen? Now that's ALL they do!
* Space Wolves have a wolf/viking motif? Now all their units are called Wolf Wolfers and they ride on wolves
* Tau have a small warp presence and slightly worse reflexes than baseline humans? Now they're shortsighted and all blanks that are absolutely baffeled by the warp, despite having contact with it for hundreds of year
* Raven Guard like infiltrating? That means they're terrible at armored warfare
* Orks have a psychic link that strengthens them? That means they can literally will things into existence!
* Eldar and Humans don't kill each other on sight for the first time in thousands of years? Oh they fuckin'!
I have ADHD. I wish I could just read through the book casually, I even struggle with audiobooks. I like concentrated lore videos, especially from channels that also add some commentary, theories, and personality, because I can experience wh40k in a much more relaxed way.
I can enjoy something I like without struggling with it. But apparently not without judgement xD
I'm just happy we don't get those 10 min videos about "how the storm troopers go to the bathroom" videos that pop up every few weeks in the starwars fandom.
I love the lore, but I always thought looking at it from a distance made it cooler. the lack of detail makes things seem so much larger and scarier. so when people who obsess about the lore (such as the outer circle) get super upset over something I can't help but sigh in despair. the lore isnt meant to be taken as fact anyway, so just head cannon your way thru it!
Some people like easily digestible entertainment. I feel bad when I get permission to do a voice over on a cartoon and there is something against the lore. So I dunno I have gotten a lot of very positive feedback. Way more than other stuff I have done.
This might be because I'm old, but I don't get sitting at a computer watching a tape of a guy talking to his monitor about it anything. It's just weird.
Of course, I can't imagine being a guy who tapes himself talking to a screen for hours all day either. Feels like a Zoom call.
It's like the kids who tape themselves playing videogames and put it on the internet what the fuck is that? Taking the most sedentary of activities and making it even more sedentary?
The kids ain't alright anymore.
Nah im young and i dont understand the appeal of most streamers and lets play stuff. I can watch a compilation or something like that, but to sit and watch someone else play a video game for more than 10 minutes ain’t for me. Agreed about the dude talking to their monitor too. I prefer straight up audio personally.
Hopefully you also think this way about TV in general? Simply a filmed drama class after all lol or the weather man sheesh pointing at a screen and talking to a camera all the time can you imagine
I think video essays are an interesting form of learning/understanding concepts. It's basically no different than going to a lecture or presentation, and the medium provides potential tools for presentation and analysis that might be missing in a conventional setting. That said, they vary wildly in quality, but good ones are genuinely enjoyable and I feel like I can confidently say I've learned things from video essays on Youtube.
I am very into longform youtube content/video essays, but I mostly listen to them like podcasts/audiobooks while I'm doing something else and only occasionally glance at the screen.
Could never get into watching gaming streams either, though. My fiance is into them, but mostly as background noise more than to actively watch.
Much shade to Loretubers but it literally takes less time to just read the actual lore. Also I just hate every single Loretubers voice. They all have shity audio quality and must do everything in a single take.
Leutin is pretty solid. He condenses a lot of the more esoteric or boring information into an easily consumable format. I don't care how interesting the book is, I probably don't need to learn about the life of a single tech priest that badly if I otherwise have no interest in them.
Adeptus Ridiculous is also very funny. They generalize a lot, so their information is more 'Here's a good way to get into this topic' and less 'and now you know everything' unless it's Rylanor. Bricky said he read everything about Rylanor in less time than it took to make the episode. Bricky is 40k and DK is Warhammer Fantasy so they have a good understanding of each others preferred fandom.
PNW is interesting to listen to for very specific things. He's an elf simp, though, so be warned. If you hate elves, you'll hate him.
Most are garbage but I have a few that I like. Like Arbitor Ian. Ok not a few it's one.
I'm partial to Oculus Imperia myself.
I couldn't agree more, he is based and lovely and makes good lore videos.
The 100th episode, *The Nightmare Truth of the Imperium of Man* is really good as well. Also based.
His "Curious Conversation of Iskander Khayon" is one of my favorite fan works in this setting anyone's ever made. So good, and the guy voicing Khayon *nails* it.
I like Baldermort
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LET US LEAN ON EXISTING WISDOM
His story about the salamanders made me want to play them And fire And forging
His latest video on chaos knights is making my wallet scream
Occulus crosses into being it's own fan lore though which makes it even better. Also obviously Leutin09 is good, he is more like a source agglomerator though. Wish he would post sources honestly so I could trace stuff myself.
I’d say snipe and wib are pretty good lore wise too, but they mainly focus on codex stuff
I never thought of them of loretubers but I guess they are the ultimate kind considering its gw lore and 40k lore at the same time
I mean instead of citing their sources, their sources are their content, lol
You're right, he's the only one with a grasp of research, structure, presentation. I love his stuff
Does Leutin not fit that description for you as well?
I find Leutin insufferably pompous.
That's wild to me but fair enough. I just found it curious the person I responded to suggested Arbitor Ian was the only person who had those skills. When regardless of how you feel about him, Leutin to me, matches those same skills.
Do you just not like British accents?
That would be a problem given that I am British and my accent isn't that different to his. He just comes across as far too self-important for someone who, when it comes down to it, hasn't actually created any of the subject he talks about.
I guess I can kind of understand that. He'll be quick to shit talk a lot of the 40k lore landscape, which can defs make him feel pompous. But at the same time the stuff he gets annoyed about can be pretty fair imo, given the way his very big picture approach to 40k. Communities like this one do well to get newcomers out of the mindset that 40k is a set universe the way something like LOTR is. It contradicts itself pretty often and numbers can be nonsensical(the number of full astartes in lore is apparently around a million and they somehow meaningfully contribute to the defense of humanity's million _planets_. Luetin works hard at drawing lines between what is clearly defined in lore and what is not. He'll offer multiple theories on things that are murky and point out his favorite, then reiterate that nobody actually knows. Most good ones do, even oculus imperia's character framing is not someone who knows that all this shit happened. He's just an archivist and the channel is a set of recordings about the texts he's gone over. The character doesn't claim to know truth. There are far more youtubers who set up their personal frame of reference as some obvious truth. or worse, project their own beliefs onto the warhammer universe and set that up as "the real warhammer". Leutins approach to lore wants more debate, it wants as many angles and sources for the things as possible to try paint a clearer picture. He has to actually filter through feedback looking for sourced counterarguments that make sense. I can only imagine how much of his inbox is a flood of "but sargon said..." or something along similar lines. I'd be an ass about it too lol.
I was looking for Leutin09! Yeah he reads a fuckton into the lore but I've always liked philosophizing about different worlds and how they might work, his videos make me go down mental rabbit holes while listening to audiobooks and then I have to rewind
Hey now there’s also… Uh… Huh. I just realized he’s the only one I’m subscribed to. Well never mind.
I recommend Baldermort.
I don't consider Ian to be a LoreTuber, at least not primarily one. I actually enjoy his videos about the history of the game and franchise more than his lore videos.
He seems to source quite a bit of info directly from the authors too, his work is on another level
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Oh my sweet summer child.
I feel personally attacked for my YouTube consumption... Look my love for channels like Luetin09 (he must be an handfull to hang with, but I appreciate the passion) baldemort, Arbitor Ian and Snipe an Wib is staying.
Luetin09 is go-to leave on while I work at my workbench stuff. Dunno why, but I locked on to dude's channel some years back and never left.
This is kinda unrelated I guess but the first time I heard his voice my gf was listening to him and I was like "Why...are you listening to Sargon of Akkad talk about warhammer" before realizing he's a totally different dude, and to this day I feel bad about insulting him :(
Fuck now i realize why Leutin sounded so familiar when I first started watching him. That’s gonna be a constant thought in my brain now
Lmao I'm so sorry!
So glad I’m more familiar with luetin than Suggon of Acod
Pretty sure it's the default voice option southern-English nerds
I once found a channel where Sargon read historical documents audiobook-style and thought "Man, if he just stuck to this, imagine how things could have been different."
There are great 40k lore channels, but those weird YT short clout goblins who just basically quote the wiki are annoying af. Not just cause they themselves are annoying. But also because the wiki's I've seen on 40k tend to be unreliable
Yeah quoting the wiki is just bad content no matter what the subject is so many youtubers do it but honestly when it comes to warhammer as long as its fun to listen to I don't care if its not always accurate
This is gonna be rude to some of those content creators but a lot of them I've noticed are uninspired hacks. Like I like that they love 40k. It's great! But I'm talking about a narrow group of Youtubers who seem like they are just making vids cause it's popular and easier to monetize at the moment
Is it rude the ones who are just jumping on a band wagon know who they are. Could be worse we could be getting more channels like arch or gamza I'd take anything over more of them
I didn't know we were playing devils advocate
I didn't know I was? I wasn't disagreeing with you I'm just sure the low effort people know what they are and looking on the brightside
Lexicanum is the only one worth it, the main one just repeats itself ad naeuseum.
Im too poor to buy the Codex's lol I need the wiki to get my 40k fix mannnnnn
Most fandoms
Yeah, it feels like post Dark Souls people have lost the ability to engage with any sort of plot on their own, and it’s birthed an entire industry of people on YouTube offering summaries with varying levels of accuracy.
I only listen to Adeptus Ridiculous.
And they freely admit to entertainment over accuracy
Doesn't that make it... worse?
Not really, I’d rather a lore podcast admit they might not have understood something correctly than just present a poor understanding of the lore as being 100% irrefutable facts.
It’s also entertainment. Two goofy guys fanboying over Warhammer and making fun of it in turn. And occasionally, you pick up stuff you didn’t know.
Not really because warhammer isn't actually real
Then still try to get into the nitty gritty of lore with their focus vids. Also I feel like they really just went off in the last year or so, becoming much more about dumb jokes and "arent the night lords cool" and less actual lore
Ad Ridic is great bc they realize 40k is absurd and they revel in it. This is entertainment I don’t get why ppl get mad at ppl having fun. Calling the head of the Black Templars the CEO of racism will always be funny to me.
AdRidc my beloved ❤️
Violin section of “the city must survive” my beloved!
I see you are a person of frosty culture too.
Ofcourse, I did a game with only two deaths
Now I am impressed. I had to do a rerun of Last Autum after i watched bricky's review.
I need to play last autumn still. I want to retry winter home though.
Baldermort, pancreasnowork and Mr bones 40k are pretty good
Personally I loathe OneMindSyndicate for reading Lexicanum Articles and garnishem them with artworks they probably didn't ask permission to use.
And that he title's every video 40 facts and lore about x
Oh yeah, and when he's running out of trivia he just repeats himself.
dont forget the passionless mumbling. like bro stop making videos if your gonna sound like you want to die.
WesHammer is the worst offender imo but that's debatable
Can you ELI5? I've honestly never read any lore books but spend too much of my time listening to lore while I'm painting. I liked Wes :/
He does the thing described in the original post. He paraphrases wiki articles and passes it off as original content because he puts his face over other people's artwork
That's extra shitty considering he's always saying how much he was reading the books for research on his videos. Laaaaaame
Ok for an example of someone who's done the research and put it together into a coherent product, I would recommend Arbiter Ian's video on the Badab War, or even his piece on the history of the lore of the Horus Heresy, if you're feeling nasty
Average 40k lore fans Vs average Age of Sigmar lore enjoyers (please help me find good Aos lore channels, I know of like 1)
Oculus has done a few AoS videos, framing it as his character's "strange dreams" of another realm. His vid for Sons of Behamat is one of his best ever, imo.
I’d love for half of his character to get sucked thru a warp gate into the age of sigmar so he could document the rest of that world. His videos on the age of myth and chaos were awesome. His stuff is so polished and eloquent and the in universe perspective is so unique it’s hard to get into any other lore content, other than his. Oculus eats every other lore channel up
It’s a fun approach, bit like the old Liber Chaotica books. And agreed on the Sons of Behemat one, especially loved him audibly sighing before every foot pun
They haven't made a lot of videos, but there's this channel called dawnstir
i like 2+ tough for aos lore
2+ tough and pancreasnowork are good
Another vote from me for PancreasNoWork
Book of Choyer? or are they more fantasy and less aos?
I have only seen fantasy from them,but that's also why I'm subscribed 😂😂😂
ngl to me its all the same, chaos bad, swords and bows, meh
I like Baldemort, Arbitor Ian, Oculus Impera, Wolf Lord Rho, the remembrancer and some of Luetin's stuff. Yeah I like lore rambling when I paint I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. As long as I dont have to read 1500 +++ pages of Horus Hersey.
I have horrible news for you if you think the 1500 pages is anywhere close to how long that series currently is. Unironically you're missing a zero and then almost double it.
I mean tbf it is 1500+, the plus is doing a lot of heavy lifting
That is true. But it's like that old post explaining that Julius Caesar was killed at least 40 years ago. Its not *wrong* but its only barely right.
OK I added a few more
I mean tbf it is 1500+, the plus is doing a lot of heavy lifting
If you count just the main series from Horus Rising to Titan Death it's 23,131 pages or 6,163,952 words.
That is too much...
There's nothing inherently wrong with getting lore from a second hand source rather straight from a book or whatever, but you crucially miss the perspectives and opinions of the characters and instead get cold, hard facts and statements. And maybe facts should be in quotation marks. And that gives someone an entirely different perception of the setting. E.g. you might actually think the Imperium is good and justified without all the context that comes in a novel. Take the first 3 Horus Heresy books for example. If you see the genocide of civilisations and what happened to Ignace Karkasy essentially in the form of bullet points rather than prose, then you probably wont realise how fucked up it is. Without context it becomes sanitised. I think this is a major root of all the problems within 40k lore discussions. Hot take but I think a lot of people who listen to audio books might process a novel in a similar way to a YouTube summary or Wikipedia page. At least if the book doesn't have their full attention.
I listened to Horus Heresy trilogy while driving. It's still pretty damn obvious what's actually going on. The first book was probably the best on the Imperium because it's mostly about how utterly unnecessary most of their wars are. They killed the Bloodbowlers!
Textbook vs. original source
pity there’s no agreed upon punishment for youtubing
YouTube is its own punishment.
Having to read the comments
Being "canceled"?
I once sent a guy wiki sources, book quotes, and literal in game texture files. But he still insisted he was right because he remembered a thing from a lore video.
I Just ask a coworker to give me the cliff notes of the lore of factions i have a vague interest in.
Lore fans vs cannon is a suggestion enjoyers
I don’t really care how you consume lore but I do care when you start taking it more seriously than the authors ever did. When people get emotionally invested to the point where any change feels like a personal attack is where I take issue. At the end of the day it’s a corporate commodity that you have no ownership of beyond the models you’ve purchased.
Never has a truer post been made
I'm a simp for Grimdark Narrator he mostly reads verbatim from books and codexes as far as I can tell. However he also does book readings and basically has put together a small library of audiobooks. From what I can tell he started because he had a buddy who was blind and wanted to share his love of warhammer/battletech/dune with him.
Reminds me of the time I tried listening to Lorehammer...
They are great resources, but nothing beats actually reading the material yourself and coming to your own conclusions. I’m about halfway through all the star wars legends books, and once I’m done I’m gonna start reading as many warhammer books as I can
I used to listen to Lorehammer before they disbanded. I stopped when I realized they were literally just reading the wiki and getting obvious shit totally wrong.
Good lore channels without the weird quirks, toxicity, or cult of personality: Arbiter Ian Snipe and Wib Luetin09 Occulus Imperia 40k Theories
Consider: lore itself is a plague upon society
But consider that plagues are gifts from our papa nurgle
The whole culture around 40k lore got way worse after we stopped calling it "fluff"
I miss fluff...
I think adding an interconnected agreed upon lore legit ruined the backrooms and SCPs
You dont understand how the foundation wiki works. There is no canon/agreed upon 'lore'.
There wasn't SUPPOSED to be. But a lot of communities are acting like there is
Idk what communities you're looking at, every SCP community tends to cluster around a different canon because different groups of authors have collab'd to make a bunch of canons which is pretty cool
That's what I'm talking about. Creating a "canon" instead of just a bunch if dirterent messy silly stories misses the original point entirely
god forbid people have fun with writing stories together in a shared universe
If you want a "canon" you can make your own universe separate from SCP. Otherwise enforcing your own Canon is just ruining other people's fun. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that
no one is enforcing things, that's why it's different tales, it's been that way for longer than it's been a different way the only ones trying to ruin other people's fun are the people who want the myriad of small separate canons to stop being a thing
Lol it’s been happening since 09 at least. Everything and nothing is cannon.
What, kids on youtube? Hardly a problem with wiki. The bare minimum gatekeeping continues to work as intended thank god.
This is a post about loretubers...
And you referred to it ruining the entire 'thing' in general. All I'm saying is that clusters of fans deciding certain things between themselves has no bearing on the source at all. The wiki is the source and remains high quality as ever.
You know there's this thing called "communities" where we people who like a thing get together to talk about a thing. And sometimes large section of that community are annoying or problematic, and thus push us away from the thing we like. And sometimes all the people who get pushed out come together to form a new community, like something called sigmarxism...
I'm sorry my adhd ass can't read the 59 thousand fucking books this series has
Two things. First, you really shouldn't read most Warhammer books because they are mostly awful. With only a couple of standout books. Second is that audiobooks exist. You can just listen to then while building/painting
I can't hear words without subtitles >;
This, tbh. Reading hard.
yeeeaaaaah ;(((
Only time it's handy is for pulling up incredibly obscure facts that aren't in wikis or the person has actual connection to the work and contributes new info or insights into the process/universe that made the thing. Or I'm bored af and just put Elder Scrolls youtube on to vague out.
I only ever listen to baldemort for his voice
It's insane how much is on the fandom.wiki and lexicanum, *with sources*, and how much of the fandom can't even be fucked to look *there* for actually accurate lore. At this point, you can have a nearly complete knowledge of both 40k's and AoS's entire in-game histories, and your only weak spot of info would be the actual in-universe dialogue.
While the straight up summary youtubers are a bit cringe. I'm a huge oculus Imperia fan. You can feel the love and care he puts into his work to make it really feel as in-universe as possible imo.
Oculus works because he actually tells a story in his videos. And he takes his info from the sources directly from what I know.
Flanderization is a menace, both in the official lore and in the memes: * Dark Angels hunt the Fallen? Now that's ALL they do! * Space Wolves have a wolf/viking motif? Now all their units are called Wolf Wolfers and they ride on wolves * Tau have a small warp presence and slightly worse reflexes than baseline humans? Now they're shortsighted and all blanks that are absolutely baffeled by the warp, despite having contact with it for hundreds of year * Raven Guard like infiltrating? That means they're terrible at armored warfare * Orks have a psychic link that strengthens them? That means they can literally will things into existence! * Eldar and Humans don't kill each other on sight for the first time in thousands of years? Oh they fuckin'!
If only they would provide sources in the description....
Not WH, but Oxhorn making a 6 hour video out of a 20 minute quest in a Bethesda game
Bait for the bait god.
And then they come to r/40klore to argue about lore they don't understand :'(
Makorkill
I have ADHD. I wish I could just read through the book casually, I even struggle with audiobooks. I like concentrated lore videos, especially from channels that also add some commentary, theories, and personality, because I can experience wh40k in a much more relaxed way. I can enjoy something I like without struggling with it. But apparently not without judgement xD
I'm just happy we don't get those 10 min videos about "how the storm troopers go to the bathroom" videos that pop up every few weeks in the starwars fandom.
I love the lore, but I always thought looking at it from a distance made it cooler. the lack of detail makes things seem so much larger and scarier. so when people who obsess about the lore (such as the outer circle) get super upset over something I can't help but sigh in despair. the lore isnt meant to be taken as fact anyway, so just head cannon your way thru it!
Adeptus Ridiculous and Snipe & Wib are my only go to channels for lore. AR for entertainment, SW for accuracy.
Some people like easily digestible entertainment. I feel bad when I get permission to do a voice over on a cartoon and there is something against the lore. So I dunno I have gotten a lot of very positive feedback. Way more than other stuff I have done.
Preach
Pretty sure the plural of Codex is Codices
The absolute worse are the ones who roleplay as their shitty tech priest OC and use an over the top or half ass accent for the narration.
This might be because I'm old, but I don't get sitting at a computer watching a tape of a guy talking to his monitor about it anything. It's just weird. Of course, I can't imagine being a guy who tapes himself talking to a screen for hours all day either. Feels like a Zoom call. It's like the kids who tape themselves playing videogames and put it on the internet what the fuck is that? Taking the most sedentary of activities and making it even more sedentary? The kids ain't alright anymore.
Nah im young and i dont understand the appeal of most streamers and lets play stuff. I can watch a compilation or something like that, but to sit and watch someone else play a video game for more than 10 minutes ain’t for me. Agreed about the dude talking to their monitor too. I prefer straight up audio personally.
Hopefully you also think this way about TV in general? Simply a filmed drama class after all lol or the weather man sheesh pointing at a screen and talking to a camera all the time can you imagine
I mean, when was the last time any of us watched a weather person? That feels like it went out in the 90s?
Literally watching the weather guy on the news right now lmao.
I think video essays are an interesting form of learning/understanding concepts. It's basically no different than going to a lecture or presentation, and the medium provides potential tools for presentation and analysis that might be missing in a conventional setting. That said, they vary wildly in quality, but good ones are genuinely enjoyable and I feel like I can confidently say I've learned things from video essays on Youtube.
I am very into longform youtube content/video essays, but I mostly listen to them like podcasts/audiobooks while I'm doing something else and only occasionally glance at the screen. Could never get into watching gaming streams either, though. My fiance is into them, but mostly as background noise more than to actively watch.
Much shade to Loretubers but it literally takes less time to just read the actual lore. Also I just hate every single Loretubers voice. They all have shity audio quality and must do everything in a single take.
Oh I love me some warhammer gatekeeping
Arch is based
Anyone know whether the 40k fandom wiki is any good?
I get my lore exclusively from Auspex tactics, as one should.
PancreasNoWork is a solid shout
Luetin09 is one of the greatest youtubers on the platform
What else could I possibly fall asleep to?
40kTheories is one of my favorite channels.
I feel like it’s lore accurate to get info wrong so I’m fine with it
While we're on the topic, does anyone have good AOS youtuber recs?
What about adptus rediculus?
Leutin is pretty solid. He condenses a lot of the more esoteric or boring information into an easily consumable format. I don't care how interesting the book is, I probably don't need to learn about the life of a single tech priest that badly if I otherwise have no interest in them. Adeptus Ridiculous is also very funny. They generalize a lot, so their information is more 'Here's a good way to get into this topic' and less 'and now you know everything' unless it's Rylanor. Bricky said he read everything about Rylanor in less time than it took to make the episode. Bricky is 40k and DK is Warhammer Fantasy so they have a good understanding of each others preferred fandom. PNW is interesting to listen to for very specific things. He's an elf simp, though, so be warned. If you hate elves, you'll hate him.
Adeptus Ridiculous aren't necessarily all that accurate but they tell people to actually read the books
My adhd brain cannot comprehend text or focus on audiobooks without getting distracted and not paying attention