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alkutezio

yes. it's the 1997 special edition so it's going to have the worst looking Jabba CGI plus Greedo shooting first...


Embedded_Vagabond

The fighters slowly taking off from Yavin was added too. That looked cool


Pupulauls9000

Yes, I would say a lot of the additions to the special editions are great, but they are bogged down by horrendous ones. I think ANH easily had the worst special edition with the sheer amount of unnecessary changes


amonson1984

The dance number from return of the Jedi would like a word


figgeritoutbud

You didnt like Joh Yowzas awesome freestyle?


OnceUponaTry

Goo ne tah


JinEagile

No louaw. GOO NE TAH!


OnceUponaTry

I prefer Lapti nek


robbviously

Kali ma!! Kali ma!!


Stagecarp

You betrayed Shiva!


a_taco_named_desire

🎷👽🎷👽🎷👽


Sonicsnout

The ROTJ dance number is the worst thing in all of Star Wars.


bingobiscuit1

Idk man Reys knife thing matching the Death Star was really fucking dumb


Sonicsnout

Yeah but it's safely locked away in a movie that is equally mediocre, while the Jabbas Palace dance scene ruins a film that previously would have been counted among the all time cinematic greats.


BirdsAreFake00

>have been counted among the all time cinematic greats. Ehhh...


Derfargin

Agreed, I wouldn’t call it an all time great. Besides, Empire was better than Jedi.


ImpossiblePackage

Get outta here, the dance scene was sick as fuck.


[deleted]

I wouldn't say that, but it was perfect without all the stupid shit. It's like when they did a bunch of weird 3d shit after the fact in Ghost in the Shell; I get it, I guess. You want to implement new technology/techniques, but make a mini project for that. Don't put it into an already perfectly well rounded film and fuck everything up for the people who remember when it wasn't this grievous 2-3 minutes of absolute cringe.


bingobiscuit1

That is true


Spartan2170

Honestly I think that idea on its own could’ve worked if it had been in a better story. The idea of some long dead Sith predicting the future accurately enough to make carved shapes of the wreckage of a super weapon that wouldn’t exist until long after their death is honestly kinda awesome. It’s just that the movie itself does absolutely nothing with that imagery.


bingobiscuit1

Dude that’s the worst part about it. It could have been cool. Instead it comes off as nonsensical and contrived.


AzraelTheMage

Basically describes the sequel trilogy as a whole. Lot of cool ideas left either unexplored or bogged down by the fact this trilogy wasn't planned from the get go.


ClownFace488

There is so much material out there with the expanded universe. The Thrawn trilogy was there for the taking. They had all the blueprints for an awesome story but decided to do a remake instead. That in itself wouldn't be the worse thing but they went into it without having a flushed out story. On top of that gave the trilogy two directors with completely different ideas. What we got was a jumbled mess of ideas and bad story telling. Such a waste. Oh and somehow Palpetine returned.


TheRealNooth

No, it’s definitely worse than that.


bingobiscuit1

I mean one is just a silly dance that doesn’t affect much else, the other the entire plot of the movie hinges on a ridiculous idea


So-_-It-_-Goes

A lot of things in Star Wars hinge on ridiculous ideas


bingobiscuit1

True true. But that one’s especially bad.


ANGLVD3TH

There's a lot of dumb stuff in that movie. But it's a world with space Wizards who are often able to see the future. Being able to form a blade to be the exact shape needed for someone in the future isn't so crazy.


bingobiscuit1

I guess it’s plausible, but I just found it uninspired and honestly insulting to the audience. It’s like “hey, we need to get Rey on the Death Star so she can look at a evil version of herself for 10 seconds. Ok umm, let’s just have an old knife match the ruins of something in the future. These idiots will buy that right?” I know I made up that convo but that’s how it felt to me.


Chopawamsic

I think the cavalry charge on the Star Destroyer was worse.


reehdus

What's that sir? You want us to tilt the star destroyer a little bit? *roll credits*


Flop_Flurpin89

ROTJ special edition is maybe my least favorite. I just love me some yub nub at the end of my Star Wars saga.


paradigmx

Even worse than the og Christmas special?


Sonicsnout

Worse in a way because it's like a piece of the Christmas special escaped it's confinement and managed to get past security and into one of the greatest films of all time. So while the Xmas special is its own, separate, terrible thing that can be enjoyed as comedy, ROTJ is a previously great film that is now forever tarnished by the stank of that god awful out of place song and dance routine.


teddyone

Absolutely movie ruining change totally takes you out of the story. What the fuck was he thinking?


rcuosukgi42

I think the Jabba scene in ANH might be worse, it looks so bad.


Sowf_Paw

I was ready to disagree and give an example but I think you're right!


B732C

Prequels' 50's diner scene would like to have a word.


Dando_Calrisian

The sequel trilogy would like a word.


Sonicsnout

The sequel trilogy can be enjoyed or ignored as one sees fit. The Jedi Rocks dance number, however, ruins one of the great films of the original trilogy. It tarnishes a work of art.


Griphonis-1772

Absolutely. It was never good to begin with and it hasn’t aged well either. I watched the 4K Blu ray recently and had to skip over that scene. Same when I was in theater for the re-release in the theater. I just kept my eyes shut the whole time. I prefer the sequence as originally released with Lapti Nek and Sy Snoodles puppet as lead singer!


rcuosukgi42

Also Vader yelling no, and yub nub.


ClownFace488

Love me some yub nub


SidewinderBudd

And that word is maclunky.


amonson1984

Bo Shoodaaaaaaaaa


Heavymando

what do you mean? The Ronto moving in front of the camera blocking all the cool original effects and characters adds SO much to the movie.


Nu_Freeze

It was almost like he was trying to piss people off with that one.


Wolphthreefivenine

Ronto is the key to all of this


boringdystopianslave

Low res skin detail. The tasteful thickness of it.


ScarletCaptain

Arguably it would look decent on VHS. It’s when you move to Blu Ray and 4K that the FX really don’t scale.


Attackoftheglobules

Tangent, but the HD versions of thunderbirds look awful because they were filmed to be viewed in SD on a CRT. The high definition copies make it very obvious just how fake the models are.


Chimeron1995

They look pretty good on VHS with a CRT actually. I need to watch my RotJ non special edition sometime, it’s the only one I haven’t seen in it’s original form now.


ReiBob

And that's not even the bigger issue. It doesn't matter if they look cool, better, whatever. They changed a piece of history and never released the original version. This is something that pisses off a lot of Movie historians and archivers.


Annual_Skin_6933

That’s not true the 2005 release on dvd has the special edition and the orginal version


ReiBob

That is not entirely true, it's still not the actual original version with the best quality, something to do with the laser disc special edition or something. I don't remember well. But you're kind of right, because most of that outrage was before 2005. But still to this day, the best option to watch those original movies is through the fanmade edits, that try to get closer to the actual look of the original versions.


faceofboe91

That kind of addition I like, but other kinds like have a cgi dinasuar walk in front of the camera and ruining an entire shot baffles me.


ThisisJVH

And worst of all, no maklunkey


Thank_You_Aziz

It’ll also have the blue filter in the Tantive IV and the orange smudge under the landspeeder removed.


Animated_effigy

I'd say decently collectible too as VHS is the only place to find the original version of the Special Edition.


trashacct8484

The original version of the special edition. Perhaps the most Star Wars thing that could be said. This box set was the first home Star Wars I had that wasn’t recorded from cable, btw.


prndog

I have the original trilogy on laser disc.


ThePrideOfKrakow

That sounds so sexy, *Laser Disk.*


prndog

oh they are, a record sized cd and double sided, in an widescreen format, pure sex.


LillyTheElf

Simultaneously futuristic and dated. Like seeing buck rogers or 90s Star Trek


pokepat460

This is the most desired version right? The theatrical release in the highest available resolution


Chimeron1995

Technically there has never been a true theatrical cut release if you count the fact that “Episode IV” was added before any home releases. That is the only change though.


Animated_effigy

Pretty sure the DVD release special editions had the THX sound versions of the original cuts as extra features.


theloveshaqbaby

I wondered why every time I watched the Greedo scene in the cantina as an adult it seemed different. Thanks for helping me figure this out after literally 20+ years lmao


MysteriousTBird

If you're not being sarcastic, "Han shot first" was a popular internet meme for a long time after the special editions came out. I remember one edit where the radio in the Death Star shoots at Han before he blasts it. George Lucas even wore a Han shot first shirt at one point while making the prequels.


theloveshaqbaby

lmao when they came out I was like 7 years old, so this helps a lot!


MysteriousTBird

They've tried to make the scene less awkward in future edits, but always have Solo fire second or nearly at the same time. At this point I think they were forced to have Solo fire second to keep a PG rating or a lower rating in non US markets.


theloveshaqbaby

Seems like a big thing I wasn’t aware of somehow all these years. Would love to see a video clip of the two scene cuts compared or back to back


sadfacebbq

What they said. But don’t forget also in super low resolution!


joujoubox

Including Solo having the sudden dance urge?


RockItGuyDC

I had this box set and somehow lost it, and that's always annoyed me. It's the worst version, but I wish I had it for historical purposes.


OnlinePosterPerson

So the worst version


ArtemisDarklight

I do like how they had Han walk over Jabba. That was funny.


haydenarrrrgh

Literally just shot a dude to avoid being taken to Jabba, then meets Jabba and stands on his tail.


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I’m a lifelong Star Wars fan but have never given a crap about the whole “Han shot first” thing. Can you elaborate on it?


jd3marco

Not the original commenter, but the way they modified the Han v Greedo exchange looks horrible. They’ve modified it a few times since. It still looks bad. The first iteration, the ‘special edition’, looked the worst; it looked like they cut Han’s head out and slid over to dodge the blaster shot, before Han shoots and kills Greedo. I prefer to watch the dvd non-special edition, which is a transfer of the laser disc, just to avoid seeing this nonsense and other really bad CGi additions. It’s grainy on modern TV’s but it’s so much better. Aside from the changes looking bad, they nerfed the impact of Han’s introduction and character arc. He was a smuggler, not a heroic character. He killed in cold blood to save his own hide. His character evolved in the trilogy (before the changes). Now, he just has magical head warping abilities and he’ll let you shoot at his face rather than shoot first.


JayMoots

The funniest part is that it’s arguably gotten worse each time they’ve fiddled with it. The current iteration is a joke.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g6pDeGG8oc


noisepro

MACLUNKEY


JackhorseBowman

There's a Cantina scene where Han is talking to one of Jabba's bounty hunters, Greedo, who is after Han In the og Han says "yes I bet you have" and then shoots Greedo under the table In the Special Edition, Han says "yes I bet you have" and then Greedo shoots first and Han does a dumb cgi head dodge and then shoots Greedo In the new Disney+ SE Han says "yes I bet you have" then Greedo says "mcclunky" before shooting and then Han does a different cgi head dodge and then shoots Greedo iirc anyway it's been awhile since I've seen anything but the despecialized editions.


Wolphthreefivenine

In the original Star Wars, Han shot Greedo under the table at Mos Eisley. Makes sense cause Greedo was pointing a gun at him ready to kill right? Then in 1997 Lucas digitally adds in *Greedo* shooting at Han first point blank, Han's entire torso moving to dodge it in a split second, *then* Han shoots Greedo. It looked terrible and made no sense.


Chopawamsic

In the original edition of Star Wars, Han shoots Greedo in cold blood. In the 1997 update, Lucas modified a bunch of scenes, including the Han shooting Greedo scene. Every edition since has Greedo fire first, miss the shot, and then have Han fire back and fry the Rodian.


DarthTidiot82

Yep, it's the *special* edition.


goldblumspowerbook

This actually has even worse CGI than you’re used to as it was redone for the DVD and later releases.


PokeBallerLuke

oh man lol, now i kinda wish i bought it, that’s a pretty funny fact right there


goldblumspowerbook

I owned and loved that tape when it came out, but that’s because 10 year olds are idiots. 😝


Cosmic_Quasar

My local library had the original trilogy free to borrow on VHS. The whole special edition. I probably borrowed them dozens of times before finally buying the sets on DVD.


goldblumspowerbook

What cracks me up about technology and also makes me a little sad is that in another decade your whole sentence will be completely nonsensical to the average person.


caustictoast

> in another decade your whole sentence will be completely nonsensical to the average person. No it won't. DVDs came out in 1997, that's like saying the average person now wouldn't know what a pager is, a device that came out in 1987. The average person may not have experience with them in a decade, but I'd be willing to bet most still know what they are.


goldblumspowerbook

That’s reassuring actually.


Vareshki

Lol, I also grew up on those editions. Bad CGI be damned, they'll always have a special place in my mind.


shpongleyes

Same lol. My family had the box set, and I was almost equally entertained by slowly closing the box set and it would make a fart noise.


goldblumspowerbook

You be digging around in my core memories, bro.


perthguppy

Also the TV you watched it on is a potato by today’s standard. Even a smartwatch has a higher resolution.


trashacct8484

1997? 13 year olds are also idiots. I watched the hell out of the box set.


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But since its VHS you shouldn't notice as much, lines should be a little fuzzy expecially if viewed on a CRT tv. I think the CGI ends up looking worse in the 2011 bluray since its in ultra high def.


SurvivorFanDan

One good thing about the 1997 VHS special edition is that *Return of the Jedi* still has Sebastian Shaw as force ghost Anakin, *not* Hayden Christensen.


red_tuna

Also the 97 Empire version still has creepy monkey eyes emperor instead of Ian


ChewieKaiju

I still wonder why that was never redone in ‘97, I don’t know the filming schedule for TPM but Ian was there so I dunno why they didn’t dedicate a day to redoing it until ROTS


spongeboy1985

I think the SE stuff was filmed earlier. Production on PM began in June 1997 after the SE was already released.


chickenmoomoo

You’re absolutely right It’s sad I remember this, but I had the 1997 Special Edition on VHS. For 15 minutes at the beginning of each film, George Lucas would talk about what he’d changed in each film In one of these segments, he hypes up the new trilogy (the prequels) that he was just starting to work on


SurvivorFanDan

I just learned the other day that the original on-screen version of the Emperor was played by an actress named Marjorie Eaton, who was uncredited (Clive Revill received credit in the original film, even though he only provided the Emperor's voice)


red_tuna

The story goes a little bit deeper. The actor portraying the Emperor was a mystery for decades. The first time we got any word on who it might be was in the book *Making of Empire Strikes Back* in 2010, which identified Marjorie Eaton as having been involved in test shootings for the film while Elaine Baker, the wife of the make-up designer, appear in the actual film. It was later confirmed by several people that the book got this backwards, but unfortunately the only source I am aware of is from a tweet from Pabl Hidalgo that I can not find.


Get-Degerstromd

It’s kind of insane that they completed edited Shaw out of Star Wars film history. I know he wasn’t a big face in the film regardless, but deleting him entirely feels a bit uncalled for


arachnophilia

i mean, he's still there when luke takes vader's mask off at the end. except for his eyebrows anyway


bunker_man

The biggest flaw of the movies is changing Boba fett's voice. It's just so unnecessary.


kneehighonagrasshopr

Well duh, Hayden wasn't Anakin yet. Lol


No_Maybe_2123

It should be Hayden though so its a bad thing. So annoying how stubborn OT fans refuse to appreciate the prequels and their role in the overarching saga


Emm_withoutha_L-88

Agree completely, force ghosts are you at how you want to be seen. Anakin doesn't want to be the old husk that was Vader, he's Anakin Skywalker again at last!


Katboxparadise

Well it says “special edition” don’t it?!


whitesoxguy

The fact that you don't already know this makes me feel super old. I was 5 when my dad came home with these babies and it launched me into Star Wars


Gone_For_Lunch

There’s more time between now and the Special Edition release (27 years) than there was between the Special Edition and original release (20 years).


whitesoxguy

Why are you doing this to me


RickRossovich

My college roomie had the SE Trilogy on VHS. I had my parents VCR which was the first non-popup model to hit the market, it had to weigh like 15lbs. We watched IV and were waiting for it to rewind before loading up V and it popped the tape off the dang reel. VCRs didn’t have the slow-down rewind feature back then and just broke it. I felt SO bad my machine murdered his tape.


Dr_Shakahlu

Same, but 6. I still have my original set and the one my mom bought us a year later, one with the sleeve still


grendel001

I skipped high school to see the first showing at the theater. And then went again that night.


ThunderSparkles

This is where it started. You are looking for the blue red green VHS that have the storm trooper, Vader and Yoda on the boxes. Those came out in 94 i believe


CutieIbushi

Yes


the_grey_sun_

The words, “special edition.” Are a dead giveaway that you are in for a bad time.


Serier_Rialis

This is where the fun begins 😉


Plydgh

Yes. If you’re buying VHS the only one you want is the THX version from the mid 90s that has a stormtrooper helmet on the cover. That was the best version of the OT before the Special Editions.


El_Psy_Congroo4477

Yes. This was the first edition to include the bad CG, as well as Greedo shooting first.


pukaskalel

That's the version that introduce me to star wars.. I'm ok with the cgi. Each to their own.


PastMiddleAge

*to each their own


pukaskalel

Yes thankyou


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Lets see...it says "Special Edition" and is from the year that the Special Editions were released....hmmm....what a mystery!!!!


Kaptoz

I have this one! Nice find!!


FasterWeasel

Does your hand burn when touching it?


DeepTelevision750

get the DVD version and watch disk two .... it has the theatrical release . only downside its a laser disk transfer.


just-me1995

where can a person find versions of the films that DO NOT have the jarringly shitty animation added in? the first time i watched A New Hope was in the nineties on a VHS tape that was already getting old and i was 5. that tape is burned into my memory. but every time i watch a version with that fuckin animation i feel icky..


Clean_Phreaq

Which animation specifically i cant remember


just-me1995

like the scene with Jabba, there’s also a couple cut scenes on Tattooine with goofy looking animation, the last thing is they changed the DS explosion at the end, or tried to make it fancy. i’m just a purest i guess, they should have just left it alone.


Oneironaut420

It says Special Edition right on it, so yeah.


hot_cheeks_4_ever

I think ESB had the best improvements


Thrilalia

Ah that small window in time where the special editions were out and the first movie was still going by the proper original name of the movie. Star Wars.


Kitchener1981

Oh yes.... that's what the Special Edition is


crashalpha

This is where the bad CGI edits began.


Bob_Pthhpth

Yes, that’s the Special Edition. Get the ‘93 VHS box set. They’re in 4:3, but other than that they’re completely unaltered.


ahdiomasta

Is there any original cut that’s in widescreen?


TLOE

There was a VHS box set that contains the movies in widescreen, but you're better off searching for the 2006 DVDs that contain the laserdisc masters as a bonus feature disc.


ahdiomasta

Ooh that sounds great thank you!


TheKlaxMaster

I didn't think the OG were made available in any capacity once specialized came out. You're saying the dvds from 2006 have the entire trilogy twice in the dvd set, both special and original? I've got the laser discs though.


GiraffeandZebra

I don't know about original, but I bought the Despecialized Edition off of Etsy a while back for $50 or so. No complaints.


antonio16309

You should check out the despecialized edition.


s73v3m4nn

Yep


Relikk_

Yes.


usetheforcekidden77

yes, that’s the year they re-released starwars for it’s 20 year anniversary


Darthmunky

This was the first release of Star Wars that I ever saw. My brother got the set on release day. I was 7. I didn’t see the theatrical versions until my late 20s.


Custardpaws

Yes. The Special Edition is the ones with the cgi added. ANH and Empire aren't awful though. It gets bad in Jedi at Jabbas palace...


Ok_Dragonfruit6718

Yes gold edition has the golden cgi


Ndmndh1016

Thats the first version that did add it iinm.


K7282

That is what“Special Edition” is warning you of, yes.


Darth-Binks-1999

The CGI is not bad. It's just not as great as current day CGI. Why would George Lucas intentionally put bad CGI in his movies? It was state of the art at the time.


NaivePeanut3017

My dad used to have this exact tape in the early 2000’s. He unfortunately gave it all to goodwill when dvd’s became more popular at the time. I lowkey miss using tapes to watch movies


Roosevelt_M_Jones

Is your vhs copy of the special addition a copy of the special addition? Yes


aaaaayoriver

The limited edition DVDs of the OT have the theatrical versions on the films on a second disc for each movie as well as the special edition versions on a separate disc. They’re pretty cheap on eBay and will play in modern blu ray or 4k players.


BananaPony88

yup but its kinda iconic it being in vhs quality as well.


Johnseanson

Special edition does! You want the edition right before that with the forward interviews by George Lucas and Leonard Martin. I believe that was the last edition of the "old" movies.


bigcontracts

Yeah you need the THX Black Box set for any pre-CGI.


decoste94

‘Special edition’


Hamd1115

I would suggest looking up what was changed in this special edition, and then decide if you care about those changes


Nicksb92

😂😂 Tell me you’re GenZ without telling me you’re GenZ


antonio16309

Lol making me feel old... It's a shame that these kids weren't raised with the OG movies/ despecialized editions.


PokeBallerLuke

yeah honestly I’ve probably never even seen the despecialized version, even with as much resentment i have for the edits haha


EatsCornTheLongWay

Doesn't the box also reference the changes made that make it the "Special Edition"? lmao


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Raven_Crows

Says special edition. It's special in the same way a slow child is "special".


midgetcastle

Dude


OsitoPandito

Wait Im confused, which version of jabba was in the orginal release of ANH? Because online it says the human guy had his scene cut so was jabba not part of the movie until way later when they added in CGI jabba?


sirbootiez

Correct. We don't meet Jabba in ANH originally


OsitoPandito

That's fucking nuts, I had no idea


trashacct8484

Han jerkily walking over his tail while Jabba yelps as though somebody did something else surprising back there — yeah. That wasn’t part of anyone’s original plan. Originally Jabba wasn’t on screen until ROTJ.


PhoxEyes

It will have dated CGI and dated edits but that doesn’t make it bad


Farnimbus

It’s special edition so yes


MarkMoreland

The THX boxed set that was released prior to this one remains the prime version of the trilogy imo. If only that version were remastered for Blu-Ray or even DVD.


bajamedic

I got to see Star Wars in the theatre. That’s all that mattered to me. Fuckin epic.


ghostdivision7

Yeah, it was my first exposure to the OT. What’s cool is that they have behind the scene stuff before the movie plays.


DarkwingMcQuack

What the hell is going on with Luke’s face? Also yes this is the one they added the cgi to.


WillandWillStudios

Try finding any made around 1995 and before 1995 because they're unaltered


GhoulArtist

You get the very worst versions of the CGI.


CertainDegree2

If you can find it, get Harmy's despecialized edition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmy%27s_Despecialized_Edition?wprov=sfla1 All the crappy edits were reversed


antonio16309

If anybody has any doubts about this, just download a copy and try it. The picture quality is damn near perfect, and you get to experience the best version of the movies. It's worth at try at the very least.


starscreaming123

This was the beginning of George Luca’s downfall


Derp_duckins

Watch the movie and fast forward for 30sec to find out ❌️❌️ Ask the internet and wait hours for a reply ✅️✅️


PokeBallerLuke

you want me to buy the VHS, find a VCR player somewhere in my attic, and then test it myself instead of just asking a simple question that I know fans will shoot me a simple answer quickly? I just don’t understand the harm in asking, it’s clearly started some fun and nostalgic conversation for a lot of people


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gwhnorth

Yes


originalchaosinabox

Yes. And that’s the gold box, too, which means it’s cropped to a 4:3 aspect ratio.


Remi708

It will have some of the bad CGI added. George kept adding / changing more and more over the years. This was the first round of revisions


the_hammer_poo

Yes


RedSun-FanEditor

Yup. It'll have the first wave of the CGI additions, of which there are many.


Equivalent_Form_3923

Yes. It infact look like the first release of it aswell.


themagicofmovies

Yup it will. Gorgeous artwork and box set but they had the edits. The box set before that had the vader helmet, trooper helmet, and yoda from 1994/1995 were the original films but had improved THX sound.


sorscode

Makes me appreciate owning this original version on CED.


C_Woodswalker

Yup


SituationResident669

I ended up getting movies 1-3 and 4-6 recently