I watch Andor monthly.
Sometimes right before I'm gonna go to bed I'll just put the season finale on to hear, 'I'd wake up early, and be fighting these bastards!'
Ah, mAh feels.
I remember talking with a buddy of mine after the episode they bust out, and I was like how the fuck are they gonna ever top THAT?!
Then the series finale showed up.
It's historic Star Wars!
You’re right I’ve literally never heard anybody talk about it, it’s so underrated! I’m sure that the lower viewership isn’t because less children are watching it, it’s because it’s le epic underrated gem. 😔
Books aren’t gritty. We need a 7 season, really mature and gritty show where different clone troopers get blown up on different ways. That was George’s vision.
What do you mean that we cant see how CT-69420 died cause he fell in a laser dick sucker designed by general Alienman to kill horny jedi commander Anakin Skywalker, star wars has fallen
Fuck, don’t mention the GOAT character in all of fiction Anakinng Skywanker around me. We need a 4 season show of him between episode 3 and 4 where he slaughters children in increasingly brutal ways and has passionate sex with Sheev at the end of every episode. George’s vision
I don’t know if I’d call it subtle. Vernestra Rwoh is straight-up a character in the series, the first canon book-to-screen character since Cobb Vanth.
Edit: Forgot about Brendol Hux. I think that makes Vernestra the third.
God Ahsoka was awful. Like it was literally nothing happening for 6 episodes and then “OH SHIT WE FORGOT TO WRITE COOL SHIT QUICK DO IT NOW SPACE WHALES SPACE WHALES SPACE WHALES SPACE WHALES”
I loved the fan service, especially the storm trooper zombies, but even that couldn’t blind me to the truth.
Or that every new show Disney makes only turns more of the remaining fan base away? That’s even assuming the ones who watched Ahsoka were satisfied with it (and not a reason they stopped watching sw shows like the acolyte)
Or maaaaybe people just don’t wanna support Weinstein’s right hand?
If fans are turning away because their Clone Wars fantasies aren’t being serviced, then I’m fine with that. Also, Leslye Headland had nothing to do with what Weinstein did. That’s been proven.
Turning away is also silly.
The 5-day viewership for Ahsoka was higher than any premiere except Avatar: The Way of Water on HBO Max.
So The Acolyte did -20% of what Ahsoka did, which was higher than every Star Wars show.
And rather than compare The Acolyte to The Mandalorian or Boba Fett or Obi-Wan or Tales of the Jedi or Bad Batch or Clone Wars, they're comparing it to the Heavyweight Champion.
Didn’t Ahsoka come out at the same time as another show?
Because I’m not paying for more than one month of Disney Plus for a single show. I’m waiting to watch it until it’ll be within a single billing period.
Loki did Doctor Who better than Doctor Who was doing at the time. The showrunners from season 1 wrote a Doctor Who episode last week and it was praised quite a bit! Silly shows about an overpowered British guy traveling through space and time aren't for everyone, though.
Hey, I’m the guy who doesn’t like Spaceballs (had a heated discussion earlier today) and only think Andor is decent. I like to live on the edge within my fandoms, especially Star Wars.
Tbf, *Spaceballs* is the weakest of Brooks’ popular spoofs (the others being *Young Frankenstein, Blazing Saddles*, and *The Producers*).
Haven’t seen the others to compare it to.
It was the second biggest streaming premiere of that year behind Avatar The Way of Water.
Ahsoka was a huge success despite being a mediocre show. But the people who wanted it to fail don't engage with reality.
So it's constantly...
Disney: "Put this on black!"
G+G: "Don't bet on black!"
Croupier (*spins*): "Black wins!"
Disney: "Whoo hoo!!!!"
G+G: "**See, I warned you!**"
The only world their math works is in their own heads and in the heads of people who desperately want them to suffer and are waiting for them to concede. But no one else even cares. Because none of it matters.
And Andor got less than both but is the best show on D+
Financial success isn't a measure of quality... But even if it was... 11.1M views is still successful?
If the first Star Wars came out today chuds would melt down over Leia calling Luke short and taking the blaster from Han to blow open the grate.
You'd have a million video essays on how she emasculated both of them and symbolically stole their penises.
I’m all for a diverse cast but I just found the characters flat and the pacing/writing off. I kinda feel the actors are wasted here because they could shine more with better writing
I wanna like the show but in longer scenes I can just kinda skip like 30 seconds and still get the idea of what they’re talking about. Some dialogue scenes just drag on
I actually really like the characters. The pacing and some of the dialogue is a little clunky, and the plot seems a bit by the numbers. But most of the Jedi task force are great, and I like the world building.
disney introducing characters is always awful, bringing back prequel characters is always fucking awesome
https://preview.redd.it/nm7o7e0sxv5d1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=25ddc79f3b8657266e0dce235fcae51ad0a4e99d
All things considered that seems like a win for The Acolyte. Ahsoka has a massive fan following as a character, not to mention returning characters from Rebels being brought to live action, live action Thrawn and technically being spun-off from The Mandalorian. I'm surprised the Acolyte managed to get that close to it
Empire Strikes Back had a dip in ticket sales compared to A New Hope and Attack of the Clones had a dip in ticket sales compared to The Phantom Menace. Wasn't exactly an indicator that the franchise was dying in either case.
Like is it just a slow news day? What is this supposed to prove?
Yeah, but how fair is it to compare Ahsoka and the Acolyte, who are relatively unknowns to casuals, to Obiwan and Mando? I think Ahsoka had more viewership than Andor which preceded it, though.
You mean to tell me that Ahsoka (the character who has more screen time than *anyone* in the franchise other than Anakin+Vader, and even then, it’s closer than you’d think) is an unknown? If this were 2014, I’d say okay. But the kids who watched TCW are now adults and are old enough to have kids of their own and the Ahsoka show should have been on their radar, if this franchise were growing and healthy. Plus she was reintroduced *through The Mandalorian*. The most watched show of all of Star Wars. And the audience still shrugged their shoulders.
And the Mandalorian was an entirely new character at the launch of his show and has only since tag teamed with characters from TCW/Rebels since, again, including Ahsoka and has lost viewers from its first season.
Acolyte and Andor, fair enough on their low viewership. But seeing a downward trajectory of this franchise as a whole shouldn’t bode well for anyone.
Guardians of the Galaxy was unknown compared to Captain America and Ironman (who themselves were fairly unknown compared to XMen and Spiderman) yet they still pulled numbers.
You can’t really argue that Ahsoka is on the same level of cultural consciousness as Anakin, Obi-wan, Vader, Bobba Fett, or pretty much any important characters from the core movies. So it feels a little unfair to say lower viewership for lesser known characters is proof of something.
Andor was excellent but the reality is that not many people really care about Cassian Andor even though Rogue One made over a billion dollars. So, just being a character in a successful project doesn’t mean it always translates to their own project. There’s lots of spinoffs that never come close to the popularity of the original show.
Yet Mando outperformed and continues to outperform Kenobi despite not being in the "core" movies.
It’s still a downward trajectory from the numbers I’ve seen, with baby spikes around the release of Mando seasons. It doesn’t matter who’s involved because near all these projects are not good. Maybe decent Star Wars shows (even that’s being kind) but definitely not good shows in their own right.
Maybe the idea of doing relentless spin offs is a bad idea from the start? The Mandalorian was its own thing until Filoni decided he needed the dark saber in there to firmly hitch that wagon to the horses of TCW/Rebels. It’s been a downward spiral since. The Acolyte is its own thing, but happens to be coming at the wrong time.
>Hasn’t pretty much every new show lost viewers from the previous?
Obi-Wan's premiere had more viewers than Mando S1-3 and Boba Fett. Boba Fett's had more viewers than that of Mando S3.
And more interestingly, Boba Fett and Obi Wan's finales had more viewers than the Mando S2 and S3 finales.
On another note, Ahsoka had the highest five-day viewership on streaming that year behind only Avatar The Way of Water.
The numbers can be bent any way you want because Disney does weekly releases instead of all at once like most streaming viewers' habits reflect.
So you can say The Acolyte was poorly received compared to Ahsoka. But you might also find it has more viewers than other Star Wars shows once people binge it.
Good examples of this are Boba Fett and Obi-Wan. Both shows ended up with more people tuning in for the final episodes than watched Mandalorian Season 2 and 3's final episodes. This implies people stuck around longer for these shows than the last two seasons of The Mandalorian. But if you go by the first episode, Boba Fett would have been seen as a disappointment.
One show with characters that already have an established storyline and fanbase appearing for the first time in live action compared to a show that is a completely new cast of characters and a completely different time period.
So are they accepting those viewership numbers now? Because I distinctly recall one of the "Ahsoka is bad" arguments being that the show DIDN'T get the high viewership numbers it was claimed to have by way of viewership counting shenanigans...
I’m not sure the argument holds fully.
People have been asking for new characters and eras for a long time.
It could also be argued that a show that finally doesn’t just show fillers between movies should be tremendously popular if done right.
I’m not saying the post is entirely wrong but it feels like the analysis that it’s all based on existing characters is pretty flat
I made that exact point on this post hahahaha they dont listen tho they are only interested in shitting on Star Wars in that sub, they seem to need Star Wars to be shit so they can feel better, its a little sad really.
Why can’t people live with the fact that some people will not like what you personally like?
There is a horde of certain kind of people whose whole purpose is to hate those who have a dissenting opinion, or have a negative view or is critical of something.
It’s almost like as if those certain people are paid trolls of a multinational corporation.
Some people do not like the Acolyte, some do not like Ahsoka, some do mnot like both of them. Get over it.
And the political charge with “woke” stuff makes those certain people even more pathetic. Woke bullshite has nothing to do with why a show is not liked. Why are you using a divisive language? What’s your purpose? Are you trying to create enemies here?
I swear this sub tries so hard to be contrarian to an objectively toxic fan base that then any criticism of something Star Wars is instantly toxic and unnecessary
Only being 20% down from a show with such a big legacy character is fucking crazy actually. Acolyte has no legacy characters it’s all original cast, and with a new era attached to it as well.
And as for viewers I genuinely don’t care too much. Andor was the worst performing series of all of them and yet it’s also the best project since TLJ or Empire for me, so my only real takeaway is that y’all don’t have any taste lol
I think a better title would have been the further you get from George Lucas starwars the less people care about it. nobody cares about KKs or Harvey Winston's former assistance take on Star Wars... it's almost like KK and Harvey Winston's former assistance said they don't want George Lucas fans anymore and getting what they want.....
The backlash against the Sequels’ casting choices, that was pretty rough even before The Last Jedi. The backlash against fan movements, like Unwhitewash the Bad Batch, that was just horrible.
But this? This whole ‘reviewbombing Acolyte’ attitude going around? The constant nitpicking and the ‘go woke go broke’ YouTube grifters and the just blatant racism/sexism/occasional fatphobia? This is the worst I’ve seen it for a Star Wars title.
Disney has no economic incentive to exclusively make what these guys want. But they know they managed to panic Disney over their quadrant of the film audience into executive meddle-fucking the sequels into nonsense, so they're relying on them to make bad shows just to keep them happy.
Except Lucas Film has figured it out.
The Clone Wars reboot didn't outperform anything. Boba Fett did bigger finale numbers than two seasons of The Mandalorian. Ahsoka did the same overall numbers as Mandalorian Season 2. Obi-Wan outperformed everything.
There's no silver bullet. All Disney can do is go for what works. And what works is whatever The Force Awakens did. And that's what these guys are most terrified of.
I can say it with a clear conscience. Plot holes that you can drive a truck through. Plus, the Jedi come off as assholes. This is supposed to be the golden age of their power.
Yes of course, that must be the reason. Couldn't possibly be how the director deliberately made the show divisive by its casting choices, insulting its fans, and informing the world that R2D2 is now a lesbian. 🙄
One of the main actresses stressed how the main goal of her project had been to piss off white people, and in this show, all the white guys are idiots and villains. There's a pattern. And it just so happens that most Star Wars fans also fit this demographic. Not a bright move.
Just proves that some fans just need constant fan service to be satisfied.
Yep, people clowned on Andor for low viewership too
And the thing is, Acolyte got higher viewership than Andor. And it's not even low viewership.
God I wish people actually watched Andor
I disagree one decade from now it’ll become a cult classic and I’ll be among the niche minority of people who watched.
"I liked Andor before you were cool."
I loved Andor! It was soooo freaking good. It's a shame so few people watched it. Even if S2 turns out bad, S1 was phenomenal.
Tbh it’s the best the franchise has to offer
I honestly had a hard time with the first few episodes and found them slow but the second half of the season was totally gripping.
I watch Andor monthly. Sometimes right before I'm gonna go to bed I'll just put the season finale on to hear, 'I'd wake up early, and be fighting these bastards!' Ah, mAh feels. I remember talking with a buddy of mine after the episode they bust out, and I was like how the fuck are they gonna ever top THAT?! Then the series finale showed up. It's historic Star Wars!
You’re right I’ve literally never heard anybody talk about it, it’s so underrated! I’m sure that the lower viewership isn’t because less children are watching it, it’s because it’s le epic underrated gem. 😔
Andor is easily the best Star Wars of the last twenty years.
Anything that fits the Goon’s narrative.
It’s funny, there’s actually lots of fan service in The Acolyte if you know The High Republic, but that requires reading.
These dorks can’t read books, only Wookieepedia articles about obscure clones.
Books aren’t gritty. We need a 7 season, really mature and gritty show where different clone troopers get blown up on different ways. That was George’s vision.
What do you mean that we cant see how CT-69420 died cause he fell in a laser dick sucker designed by general Alienman to kill horny jedi commander Anakin Skywalker, star wars has fallen
Fuck, don’t mention the GOAT character in all of fiction Anakinng Skywanker around me. We need a 4 season show of him between episode 3 and 4 where he slaughters children in increasingly brutal ways and has passionate sex with Sheev at the end of every episode. George’s vision
I mean it is a war 🤷
Even as an old republic fan I appreciate the aesthetic and designs heavily. Similar vibe but different in its own cool way.
It's more of subtle fanservice for now.
I don’t know if I’d call it subtle. Vernestra Rwoh is straight-up a character in the series, the first canon book-to-screen character since Cobb Vanth. Edit: Forgot about Brendol Hux. I think that makes Vernestra the third.
So it’s like Halo 5? This does not fill me with confidence before viewing.
Why read the high republic when there’s Legacy of the Force?
Because it’s new and being continued.
So is Rings of Power. Sometimes it’s better to just ignore what’s new.
The High Republic is actually good though
I’m glad you like it I guess
Then complain they don’t get original stories outside the Skywalker Saga.
It’s just one big trading card game now for most people (online).
God Ahsoka was awful. Like it was literally nothing happening for 6 episodes and then “OH SHIT WE FORGOT TO WRITE COOL SHIT QUICK DO IT NOW SPACE WHALES SPACE WHALES SPACE WHALES SPACE WHALES” I loved the fan service, especially the storm trooper zombies, but even that couldn’t blind me to the truth.
Or that every new show Disney makes only turns more of the remaining fan base away? That’s even assuming the ones who watched Ahsoka were satisfied with it (and not a reason they stopped watching sw shows like the acolyte) Or maaaaybe people just don’t wanna support Weinstein’s right hand?
If fans are turning away because their Clone Wars fantasies aren’t being serviced, then I’m fine with that. Also, Leslye Headland had nothing to do with what Weinstein did. That’s been proven.
Turning away is also silly. The 5-day viewership for Ahsoka was higher than any premiere except Avatar: The Way of Water on HBO Max. So The Acolyte did -20% of what Ahsoka did, which was higher than every Star Wars show. And rather than compare The Acolyte to The Mandalorian or Boba Fett or Obi-Wan or Tales of the Jedi or Bad Batch or Clone Wars, they're comparing it to the Heavyweight Champion. 
Clone Wars kids just hanging on for more Clone crap.
The denial is strong with this one
What am I in denial about?
No it hasn't.
Yes, it has.
Where is the proof?
Headland was on Weinstein's red flag list of people he didn't trust. So why would he have her help him?
Where is the proof?
https://entertainment.ie/movies/movie-news/unsealed-weinstein-jennifer-aniston-444828/
The list is of people Weinstein was afraid would snitch on him meaning she knew and kept the info to herself.
Exactly...where is the proof she had anything to do with what Weinstein did? Where's the proof you didn't?
Almost all Disney SW writers are bad, not just Leslye Headland.
Okay.
The remaining fanbase who hoped Ahsoka would be good were wrong and they realized that SW is just a rotting corpse now.
I gave up at Boba Fett
They should make all Star Wars characters Ahsoka from now on just to be safe. Wouldn't want to risk Disney missing out on a few million in profits.
Is that you Dave?
Didn’t Ahsoka come out at the same time as another show? Because I’m not paying for more than one month of Disney Plus for a single show. I’m waiting to watch it until it’ll be within a single billing period.
Yeah, Loki, which is, IMO, the best Disney + exclusive
Yea season 2 was the bomb.
Look, I’m gonna be honest, I really didn’t get the hype for Loki. I watched it and it was fine but there are a definitely better shows imo.
Loki did Doctor Who better than Doctor Who was doing at the time. The showrunners from season 1 wrote a Doctor Who episode last week and it was praised quite a bit! Silly shows about an overpowered British guy traveling through space and time aren't for everyone, though.
Weird thing to admit in public, but you're safe here.
Hey, I’m the guy who doesn’t like Spaceballs (had a heated discussion earlier today) and only think Andor is decent. I like to live on the edge within my fandoms, especially Star Wars.
Tbf, *Spaceballs* is the weakest of Brooks’ popular spoofs (the others being *Young Frankenstein, Blazing Saddles*, and *The Producers*). Haven’t seen the others to compare it to.
I like how they’re comparing the budget as if audiences base their viewing decision for the start of a show on budget lol
The budget comparison is because studios base production decisions on the proportion of audience reception to financial investment.
That’s not bad considering ahsoka was a long awaited show.
Long awaited by the creator of the character maybe.
It was the second biggest streaming premiere of that year behind Avatar The Way of Water. Ahsoka was a huge success despite being a mediocre show. But the people who wanted it to fail don't engage with reality. So it's constantly... Disney: "Put this on black!" G+G: "Don't bet on black!" Croupier (*spins*): "Black wins!" Disney: "Whoo hoo!!!!" G+G: "**See, I warned you!**" The only world their math works is in their own heads and in the heads of people who desperately want them to suffer and are waiting for them to concede. But no one else even cares. Because none of it matters.
second biggest streaming premiere don't mean much if the show cannot sustain the numbers
Yes. That guy wanted it to be made too.
And Andor got less than both but is the best show on D+ Financial success isn't a measure of quality... But even if it was... 11.1M views is still successful?
all ive heard is people shitting on this show but like no actual reason why, I swear star wars super fans need to be bottle fed content
“Its woke garbage!!” Ok name 1 thing thats woke about it that isnt a diverse cast
Uhm uh welll you see, um, there are no white males, and um I know this hasn’t been said by Disney at all but everybody is gay
thank you space dave meltzer
If the first Star Wars came out today chuds would melt down over Leia calling Luke short and taking the blaster from Han to blow open the grate. You'd have a million video essays on how she emasculated both of them and symbolically stole their penises.
“Why can’t we have Leia’s like she is from 22:42 to 32:32 in the third one? How come they can only get women right for 10 minutes????”
FOR REAL, Im so tired of people complaining a piece of media is woke cause there is a black character or a woman as the lead.
It sympathizes with the villain instead of the heroes who are depicted as corrupt and out of touch.
I’m all for a diverse cast but I just found the characters flat and the pacing/writing off. I kinda feel the actors are wasted here because they could shine more with better writing
I wanna like the show but in longer scenes I can just kinda skip like 30 seconds and still get the idea of what they’re talking about. Some dialogue scenes just drag on
I actually really like the characters. The pacing and some of the dialogue is a little clunky, and the plot seems a bit by the numbers. But most of the Jedi task force are great, and I like the world building.
disney introducing characters is always awful, bringing back prequel characters is always fucking awesome https://preview.redd.it/nm7o7e0sxv5d1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=25ddc79f3b8657266e0dce235fcae51ad0a4e99d
I remember Star Wars fans where praising this episode because of how it portrays Kathleen, completely ignoring the meaning of the episode
All things considered that seems like a win for The Acolyte. Ahsoka has a massive fan following as a character, not to mention returning characters from Rebels being brought to live action, live action Thrawn and technically being spun-off from The Mandalorian. I'm surprised the Acolyte managed to get that close to it
Compare The Acolyte to Star Wars shows other than Ahsoka's massive premiere numbers and this whole debate seems silly.
They are also pretty close.
Empire Strikes Back had a dip in ticket sales compared to A New Hope and Attack of the Clones had a dip in ticket sales compared to The Phantom Menace. Wasn't exactly an indicator that the franchise was dying in either case. Like is it just a slow news day? What is this supposed to prove?
i get the impression they’re looking for any reason the put the show down, even if it’s completely ridiculous
Hasn’t pretty much every new show lost viewers from the previous?
Yeah, but how fair is it to compare Ahsoka and the Acolyte, who are relatively unknowns to casuals, to Obiwan and Mando? I think Ahsoka had more viewership than Andor which preceded it, though.
You mean to tell me that Ahsoka (the character who has more screen time than *anyone* in the franchise other than Anakin+Vader, and even then, it’s closer than you’d think) is an unknown? If this were 2014, I’d say okay. But the kids who watched TCW are now adults and are old enough to have kids of their own and the Ahsoka show should have been on their radar, if this franchise were growing and healthy. Plus she was reintroduced *through The Mandalorian*. The most watched show of all of Star Wars. And the audience still shrugged their shoulders. And the Mandalorian was an entirely new character at the launch of his show and has only since tag teamed with characters from TCW/Rebels since, again, including Ahsoka and has lost viewers from its first season. Acolyte and Andor, fair enough on their low viewership. But seeing a downward trajectory of this franchise as a whole shouldn’t bode well for anyone. Guardians of the Galaxy was unknown compared to Captain America and Ironman (who themselves were fairly unknown compared to XMen and Spiderman) yet they still pulled numbers.
You can’t really argue that Ahsoka is on the same level of cultural consciousness as Anakin, Obi-wan, Vader, Bobba Fett, or pretty much any important characters from the core movies. So it feels a little unfair to say lower viewership for lesser known characters is proof of something. Andor was excellent but the reality is that not many people really care about Cassian Andor even though Rogue One made over a billion dollars. So, just being a character in a successful project doesn’t mean it always translates to their own project. There’s lots of spinoffs that never come close to the popularity of the original show.
Yet Mando outperformed and continues to outperform Kenobi despite not being in the "core" movies. It’s still a downward trajectory from the numbers I’ve seen, with baby spikes around the release of Mando seasons. It doesn’t matter who’s involved because near all these projects are not good. Maybe decent Star Wars shows (even that’s being kind) but definitely not good shows in their own right. Maybe the idea of doing relentless spin offs is a bad idea from the start? The Mandalorian was its own thing until Filoni decided he needed the dark saber in there to firmly hitch that wagon to the horses of TCW/Rebels. It’s been a downward spiral since. The Acolyte is its own thing, but happens to be coming at the wrong time.
>Hasn’t pretty much every new show lost viewers from the previous? Obi-Wan's premiere had more viewers than Mando S1-3 and Boba Fett. Boba Fett's had more viewers than that of Mando S3. And more interestingly, Boba Fett and Obi Wan's finales had more viewers than the Mando S2 and S3 finales. On another note, Ahsoka had the highest five-day viewership on streaming that year behind only Avatar The Way of Water. The numbers can be bent any way you want because Disney does weekly releases instead of all at once like most streaming viewers' habits reflect. So you can say The Acolyte was poorly received compared to Ahsoka. But you might also find it has more viewers than other Star Wars shows once people binge it. Good examples of this are Boba Fett and Obi-Wan. Both shows ended up with more people tuning in for the final episodes than watched Mandalorian Season 2 and 3's final episodes. This implies people stuck around longer for these shows than the last two seasons of The Mandalorian. But if you go by the first episode, Boba Fett would have been seen as a disappointment.
One show with characters that already have an established storyline and fanbase appearing for the first time in live action compared to a show that is a completely new cast of characters and a completely different time period.
Actual smooth brains
So are they accepting those viewership numbers now? Because I distinctly recall one of the "Ahsoka is bad" arguments being that the show DIDN'T get the high viewership numbers it was claimed to have by way of viewership counting shenanigans...
Was the budget for Ahsoka really only $100m across the 8 episodes ?
Volume is cheaper than location / sets?
Perhaps, I am also genuinely asking how true the 100m figure is
I’m not sure the argument holds fully. People have been asking for new characters and eras for a long time. It could also be argued that a show that finally doesn’t just show fillers between movies should be tremendously popular if done right. I’m not saying the post is entirely wrong but it feels like the analysis that it’s all based on existing characters is pretty flat
I made that exact point on this post hahahaha they dont listen tho they are only interested in shitting on Star Wars in that sub, they seem to need Star Wars to be shit so they can feel better, its a little sad really.
Why can’t people live with the fact that some people will not like what you personally like? There is a horde of certain kind of people whose whole purpose is to hate those who have a dissenting opinion, or have a negative view or is critical of something. It’s almost like as if those certain people are paid trolls of a multinational corporation. Some people do not like the Acolyte, some do not like Ahsoka, some do mnot like both of them. Get over it. And the political charge with “woke” stuff makes those certain people even more pathetic. Woke bullshite has nothing to do with why a show is not liked. Why are you using a divisive language? What’s your purpose? Are you trying to create enemies here?
Bad argument aside, 180 million and even 100 million dollars for a TV show is way too much. Especially ones looking so bland.
I swear this sub tries so hard to be contrarian to an objectively toxic fan base that then any criticism of something Star Wars is instantly toxic and unnecessary
Whoah 11.4 for the first week of a streaming show? Thats fantastic!
Only being 20% down from a show with such a big legacy character is fucking crazy actually. Acolyte has no legacy characters it’s all original cast, and with a new era attached to it as well. And as for viewers I genuinely don’t care too much. Andor was the worst performing series of all of them and yet it’s also the best project since TLJ or Empire for me, so my only real takeaway is that y’all don’t have any taste lol
When tf didn’t it become a thing to care about homeless watches the shows you watch? Such a loser mentality but they gotta chase those clicks I guess.
Star wars fans when the mediocre tv show with the sole draw of being tied to a previous franchise is less tied to the franchise.
I’m really getting sick of seeing Culture Crave everywhere. It feels like they just post these kinds of things to get a reaction
Saw a TikTok a couple days ago that blamed racism for the show not being well received by a large portion of the fan base.
Are we supposed to be surprised? It was Ahsoka for fucks sake
I remember when the prequels came out (Star Wars 1-3). People hated it. Now people love it and hate the latest sequels. People are just assholes.
Nah, I think it's fatigue from too much star wars bullshit, but the acolyte should pick up in viewership through word of mouth like Andor did
Probably got less viewers because it's dogshit
I'm just waiting to binge it tbh
It was just poorly executed. Twins that haven’t seen each other for years but go to the same barber? Really?
I think a better title would have been the further you get from George Lucas starwars the less people care about it. nobody cares about KKs or Harvey Winston's former assistance take on Star Wars... it's almost like KK and Harvey Winston's former assistance said they don't want George Lucas fans anymore and getting what they want.....
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Nah only like 10% of the posts are making fun of saltierthancrait, they just make it too easy
Yeah but Ahsoka sucked too
The backlash against the Sequels’ casting choices, that was pretty rough even before The Last Jedi. The backlash against fan movements, like Unwhitewash the Bad Batch, that was just horrible. But this? This whole ‘reviewbombing Acolyte’ attitude going around? The constant nitpicking and the ‘go woke go broke’ YouTube grifters and the just blatant racism/sexism/occasional fatphobia? This is the worst I’ve seen it for a Star Wars title.
Disney has no economic incentive to exclusively make what these guys want. But they know they managed to panic Disney over their quadrant of the film audience into executive meddle-fucking the sequels into nonsense, so they're relying on them to make bad shows just to keep them happy. Except Lucas Film has figured it out. The Clone Wars reboot didn't outperform anything. Boba Fett did bigger finale numbers than two seasons of The Mandalorian. Ahsoka did the same overall numbers as Mandalorian Season 2. Obi-Wan outperformed everything. There's no silver bullet. All Disney can do is go for what works. And what works is whatever The Force Awakens did. And that's what these guys are most terrified of.
Writing is shit
It comes down to writing. Asoka is a better written show.
How can you say that when we’re only 2 episodes in
I can say it with a clear conscience. Plot holes that you can drive a truck through. Plus, the Jedi come off as assholes. This is supposed to be the golden age of their power.
Thr jedi were arrogant, not assholes. What other “plot holes” do you think you’ve seen?
Yes of course, that must be the reason. Couldn't possibly be how the director deliberately made the show divisive by its casting choices, insulting its fans, and informing the world that R2D2 is now a lesbian. 🙄 One of the main actresses stressed how the main goal of her project had been to piss off white people, and in this show, all the white guys are idiots and villains. There's a pattern. And it just so happens that most Star Wars fans also fit this demographic. Not a bright move.
I’m a fan and i dont feel insulted. Plus how does a diverse cast automatically make it a bad show?
Cope harder