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EnvironmentEuphoric9

His future gf’s are gonna love this.


Fresh_Biscotti_9556

Shes going to have to make a lot of these videos 🤣


Plane-Policy-8284

Hey now, don't doubt the stud!


iam_Mr_McGibblets

Mother never had to make one for me 😄


Hunter-Gatherer_

Mom has made her choice, no one will ever be good enough for her little angel 😂


usedburgermeat

You're allowed to think these things, but making a social media post about it is just weird


Meat_licker

Social media has completely eradicated the whole “we don’t need to say everything out loud” concept.


bohanmyl

Social media and covid has left the Shame Wizard shriveled up in the corner dead from starvation.


seahawk1977

Poor Shane Lizard.


upvt_cuz_i_like_it

Poor Eddie Izard


Confident-Slip-5264

Oh no, he still lives very much so in some of us


darapnerd

![gif](giphy|7Fw29l88xpR0ffqWq0|downsized)


Wakingsleepwalkers

Only for narcissists and attention seekers.


notfeelany

In the old days, if you do say something stupid, you will be mocked/scolded/teased by those physically around you. With social media, you don't have to listen to naysayers, people can just block them and only listen to those that confirm their priors.


Ricky_Rollin

Which really sucks because we were actually getting pretty darn close to achieving that concept. And then social media was born.


Randalf_the_Black

Better yet, just tell the damn girl. It's a nice gesture, but no need to make it public.


ForecastForFourCats

Call her house and ask her parents if you can share your thoughts with her. A social media post is weird.


NoLand4936

Hell. Even saying then to the ex gf could be considered allowed in the right context. But fucking posting it?


c0l0r51

Wdym in the right context? This is a VERY nice thing to say to her in person, it's just distastefull to do it over social media. The world'd be a better place if we'd teach our kids more that the person we loved is not a monster just because we broke up.


PeacefulKnightmare

Yeah but saying it to her at an Applebee's where you're hosting the Son's graduation party isn't exactly the best context either.


Putrid-Spinach-6912

I mean, it’s not all that bad. A bit weird, but her heart was in the right place and I’d appreciate the sentiment.


Glytterain

It’s a nice sentiment but one that could and should have been sent privately. It’s weird to make a TikTok of this.


Salt_Sir2599

It’s to show everyone how sweet and considerate they are. I divorced a narcissist and her family is all like this. Constantly showing off their good deeds. The show loses its luster when you are a stage hand, I had to dip out finally.


Putrid-Spinach-6912

Oh without a doubt. It’s weird that we feel the need to put our opinions out there, especially opinions on people that exist in our own actual reality lol


[deleted]

Nah. It's far beyond weird. It's crazy to post a tiktok video about your teenage son's ex gf. She had to get the videos of them together from her son and put together a montage. Sheer insanity.


spicewoman

Unless they had a *very* friendly mutual breakup, neither of them probably want to be seeing a "compilation of the good times" right now. And if their breakup *was* that chill, I don't see why she couldn't be hanging out with the family as a friend at some point in the future. The video aspect specifically is very weird.


Charliewhiskers

She could have sent her a private text. Poor son is probably so embarrassed.


byrnestj7

My wife and I broke up briefly about a year into dating. and my parents and her parents happened to be at the same event and both of them told us after we got back together, they all had a long conversation about how they wanted us to get back together. Luckily, no one made a tik tok about it


Efflux

Write her a letter, Jfc.


Trooper_nsp209

My son caught his long time girlfriend cheating. They broke up. Her Dad was devastated. I mean he was in tears. I think he saw my son as the son he never had.


Jlynn41412

When I tell you we were just on vacation and my son got a pic sent to him of his gf of almost 3yrs with her mouth around a cock!! We had just taken this chick to some real family functions talking so good about her.. go on a vacation she couldn’t go on cause it was too long and I understood. But definitely did NOT understand why the bitch couldn’t go even 2 weeks without some dick! Fuck her! She was like a daughter to us and was there after my nana and then when my mom unexpectedly passed- she was family! I knew not to trust it- but never would expected that to happen to him. (First real gf, lost their virginity together, I was there for her and getting plan B and talking to her when her mom wouldn’t, sad… I’m sure I’ll get downvoted but it’s just facts) ETA: I did tell her to try and get this taken care of as far as her picture being out there like that.. I have 2 daughters myself and would never want them having something like that out there. I told her it was best to tell her parents to try and help with that, honestly it was crazy and no one should ever be caught in that predicament.. I’m thankful that I’m older and didn’t have to deal with this kind of shit. She is just underage/ just underage but still. I knew I would be downvoted and that’s ridiculous but imma leave it cause this shit is happening now. Sad.


alt_blackgirl

This makes me realize how different other people's family dynamics are. It seems like you're a great and involved parent, but I truly never want my parents in my business like this. I wouldn't even think to share these things with my mom


Jlynn41412

Lol! Right! I wish I didn’t know a lot of things but I’m truly happy my son feels open and close enough with me to share! I’m truly blessed that I have that kind of relationship with him and never want that to change. I could tell as soon as it happened too. We were at the Gulf in Naples and having a blast: he was acting like such a kid again and making sand castles n shit.. next thing I know I’m looking back n he’s on his phone and his face just was devastated- like that’s the best way I can put it… so I got out of the water n went to him and he just broke down! It was his first heart break and it definitely broke my heart too! Lol. Poor kid! I know back in the day shit happened like this, but there wasn’t fuckin photo evidence- your imagination was enough!! Shit’s scarred in my brain n it’s something I’ll never forget- so I couldn’t imagine for him! 🤦🏻‍♀️


hessianhorse

Did she text the photo to him to hurt him? Or did the guy text him the photo?


VividInsideYou

When my first boyfriend dumped me for my best friend, my mother didn’t even pause her movie to comfort me when I walked in crying and told her.


ninjamaster616

That'll cause some trauma, for sure! As someone whose been there, been there; I definitely recommend he get therapy. Even if it doesn't seem like he needs any. (P much exact same situation, not photos exactly like that, but many undeniable text receipts confirming affairs with multiple men over a short period.)


Pat_ron

You're right, you're blessed to have such a strong relationship with your son. I hope that the people commenting that it's too much info for a parent to know aren't parents.


Jlynn41412

Thank you! I’ve been reading some of those to him, and the good ones of course- n yeah we’re good.. We don’t really need people’s opinions on how open n honest we are here, it’s none of anyone’s business. It’s working great for me! I know everything and I wish I could’ve been more open with my parents. But I grew up in a whole different situation and my kids are blessed with parents love them n are willing to talk and I won’t ever be ashamed of that! I just really appreciate the comments like these. It’s so messed up with what’s happening with our youth and suicides and drug abuse, child abuse etc- I’ll stick with where I’m at..


Spiritual-Can2604

Yeah this is way too much info for a parent to be knowing


MoistTreacle

That's just fucked up, I truly an sorry that happened to your son, he didn't deserve to be treated like that. Neither did your family. I hope one day she realizes what she lost!


hiswittlewip

You talk about her really disgusting considering she's a minor.


HardHarry

Oh it's OP.


jockrates

This seems like a bit too much parental involvement…


digita1catt

I miss the ex's dad almost as much as I miss the ex. He was a wonderful father figure and I really got along well with him.


ricecake_sandwich

Interesting. I had a few gf's that I broke up with and their parents actually called me to say "goodbye" and told me how nice it was and sorry for the breakup.... But I can't imagine seeing this crap online in public. That would be my worst nightmare.


No_Towel6647

Yeah this belongs in a text message


tristanimator

That sounds nice. I caught my gf of 16 years cheating on me and kicked her out. It's been a year and still nothing from her parents. Oh, by the way, I also housed her Mother and took care of her while she was recovering from Cancer, and I helped her Father move multiple times after her Mother kicked him out because he couldn't keep his dick in his pants. ... Yep. That sounds like it would be nice to hear.


bmorehalfazn

Same. Two of my college gf’s mothers called me to apologize for their daughters and to say they would miss me. It was a sweet gesture, for sure, but quite difficult to get through with all the fresh emotions, and 💯best left for a private conversation. I find this social media post to be kind of wholesome despite my own experiences - it’s sweet. Still though, probably best left for a private conversation 😂


scruffyduffy23

My son and his girlfriend just broke up… how do I make this about me and let everyone else know it’s about me at the same time?


Xplicit-801

That’s what this is 100 percent!!😂


AmbitiousParty

While being creepy posting videos of what looks to be a literal child that’s not mine on the internet


painkilleraddict6373

You could make a post about it on the internet.Dont forget to put sad music.


[deleted]

A sweet sentiment, but it loses sincerity when people post things like this just to show what a great person they are, while pretending it's meant for the person that its written about.


pnutbutterfuck

Yeah like this would have been fine to send as a text to her. Maybe a tad bit too intimate, but fine i guess. But to post online? Fucking weird.


Yourdadcallsmeobama

Happy cake day


Star_Belt

It is kind of weird but also kind of nice? Idk see too many mothers of young boys being mean to their son’s gfs…


Impressive-Style5889

It would be nice if she reached out directly to the girl and said it. Publishing a video of an underage teen's personal moments to communicate is pretty cringe.


forman98

A montage of lovey videos set to a melancholy version of a Goo Goo Dolls song… telling the world how much you’ll miss your son’s ex-girlfriend. There’s some things social media isn’t meant for and this is one of them.


AxelNotRose

I mostly feel sorry for the son. Fuck that would be embarrassing.


Serious_Session7574

You just know his mom is constantly doing stuff like this.


ChoppedAlready

That was my first thought too, but there is just this nagging thought in my head that this is a play for views. Maybe they had a successful account together and saw an opportunity to make it a “will they get back together?!” moment. Just feel like it wouldn’t surprise me if they posted a makeup video where they get back together in a month. Then again, people are insane on social media so who knows if it’s a scam or an over sharing parent


non_stop_disko

A melancholy version of a goo goo dolls song because it was melancholy enough before lol


Expensive_Concern457

It’s nicer than “my son’s EVIL 16 year old ex girlfriend who tried to STEAL HIM AWAY from me RUINED his life because she is a FUGLY SKANK”. It’s still weird as fuck, but the bar is unfathomably low at this point and James Cameron just refuses to do anything about it


Putrid-Spinach-6912

Damn, when you it like that you’ve got a point lol.


NottDisgruntled

You’re overthinking it. It’s awkward and cringy, but also kinda sweet goofy mom stuff.


couldjustbeanalt

Yeah would’ve been a nice private message instead of blasting it online for views


AloysiusDevadandrMUD

If my mom made a tiktok or Facebook post about me and my gf breaking up I would pass away from embarrassment


Heart_Throb_

When the norm is often #BoyMom hating on their son’s gf, this is actually nice to see.


bestest_at_grammar

I’ve honestly never encountered this in real life, wether it’s me or stories from friends ect. Seen it on the internet and movie tropes all the time tho


Rokey76

I don't think I've ever dated someone my family approved of.


ZinaSky2

The sentiment is definitely preferable. It is kinda weird to post tho. But idk some people are just chronically online and post literally everything


ObsidianKing

Nah this is just weird as hell.


SkywalknLuke

In the end, posting anything related to your kids break up is odd. What a world we are witnessing?


TheWhomItConcerns

Seeing stuff like this makes me so thankful to have parents who are just normal people who don't feel the need to make everything in my life about them.


LoveAndViscera

This is what happens when you like your son’s girlfriend more than your son.


Pixelated_Penguin808

100%. Can't believe almost 800 people upvoted that. Mom is waaaaay too involved in her son's life and while maybe sending the ex GF a text with that stuff is okay, if they had been close, putting it up on social media is weird. It's also going to follow her son, who presumably would like to get involved in another relationship at some point without having past baggage following him around.


RandomUser4857

r/boymoms


Goodbye_Games

Oh this video is weird as hell, but I do get where you’re coming from having been called everything from the whore of Babylon to the the wolf among the flock (dated into a lot of religious families when I was young). The funny thing is that every break up I’ve ever had was amicable. Almost all of them ended with us being good and close friends afterwards, but the moms were just god awful to me afterwards. I did have one dad that stopped me in a dollar store once as I was getting some drinks for a trip to the river with friends, and he thanked me for being with his son saying that I helped turn him into a better man when he needed it most. At first I was a little weirded out by it, but I later learned that before us his son was in a bad situation with drugs and depression. We only dated for a few months but in that time he straightened out his school work and laid off the drugs in an effort to impress me. We ended things because I was going off to school and he still had a year because of his poor performance in school so we both knew that it wasn’t going to work out. Apparently I gave him a confidence boost needed at the right time and he now has a thriving business and a wonderful family. While we’re not “close” I do see him at least once a week in passing by and I’m happy that things worked out so well for him. It’s weird that when you’re in school you and your friends think you’re going to be friends for eternity, but you all eventually spiral out into your own little circles which rarely include those people you once thought so close.


cinamon_pie_crust

I agree 👍


TheHoboRoadshow

What choice did the gf have? The haircut on that lad is abominable


kadsmald

She can do better. Sorry, dude


pinkcloudskyway

I don't like how many people act like their teenager is already married when they are likely to break up. The adults get all invested and its weird. My partners family was like this and it puts a lot of pressure to stay together when you are literally TEENS


Careful_Way_9395

Right? Ugh Facebook seems to be the standard for that same shite..so many mothers talking about their “future daughter/son in law “post and the kids are 14 🤦🏽‍♀️ like, why?? Meanwhile ,there’s my sons(24&21) just doing the tinder thing 😩 🤣 I do wish, they’d get a gf tho and stop Hoeing around lol


dmattox92

Tiktokers will post anything and everything with a sentimental song in the background and try to make it not weird. And they'll always find a target audience that eats it up. The future is grim. Update: Just saw a video of a mother recording herself doing a "live reaction opening" of her deceased child's suicide note. Instead of people being like "who in their right mind would record theirselves and upload this to social media for clout" the comments are filled with people just being sympathetic and eating it up giving this type of person exactly what they wanted. If you don't believe me her tag on Tiktok is heatherwyatt but honestly searching for her will just give her what she wanted and make her pop up on the algorithim more so idk.


theapplekid

friend: "So, why did you break up with LRobb's son?" the exgf: "I felt like I was dating his mother"


KHUSTOM

Not often do we get a proper cringe. But when we do... 😬


therapist122

Finally some good fucking cringe 


okcafe

finally some REAL FUCKING FOOD


BloodyRedBarbara

How embarrassing for the son and how weird of her.


zenomotion73

Right? As a teenager and early 20s my parents had a bad habit of staying friends with my Exes. They would even call them a few times a year to check in and make sure they mention to me how sos and so is doing and vice versa. These are boys and men I broke up with for very very good reasons- beyond red flag behavior that my parents are very well aware of. It’s a slap in the face. Oh did I mention my parents are narcissists and after 20 years of narcissistic hyper religious behavior, I went no contact. The mom in this vid is a narcissist and wants to look like “the good guy”. I feel sorry for her son


JohnnyTeardrop

It was a sweet, mature reflection of your kids breakup with someone that you really felt was part of the family…right up till you posted it on social media with a video montage of both of them.


Kattorean

Top tier cringe.


Neoxite23

I really hope this is a joke.


protestprincess

Ok but this is 100x better than incestuous boymom wrath directed at teenaged girls on fb. Defo did not think it was going in this direction.


MarkFresco

This is the cool mom in mean girls who asked her kid if they needed condoms


mageillus

This is the epitome of cringe


kavusn17

Inside thoughts should stay inside


History_of_Robots

Looks like cringe is back on the menu, boys!


falaffels

PART 60 ?!!!?!


wizardferret

Yeah.....


holyfuckbuckets

I came here to see if anyone else noticed that lmao. Part 60… unhinged. I’m so surprised to see that so many people in the comments view this favorably


_Nilbog_Milk_

This reminds me of my ex's mom 🥲 She was my mother figure when mine was absent and we hung out without him all the time. Continued talking for years after we split. Eventually drifted but sadly she passed away this week, found out via Facebook. This is cute, even if it is more appropriate as an inside thought


truckthunderwood

Is this worse if the son dumped the girl? Or if the girl dumped the son?


DeathtoSports

Holy FUCK this is weird as hell


Wolfyscruffer

Talk about being a "sMother"


Ok-Courage2177

Odd but I find it kinda endearing.  Level of cringe is relative to how long the relationship was: if they dated for like a week: That’s maximum cringe, couple years?  Not as much.


dirtythirty1864

My exs mom still calls to check every once in a while even though we broke up a decade ago. I know she thinks of me as the son in law that got away.


Fresh_Biscotti_9556

Doesn't make it ok bud


dirtythirty1864

What okay?


BeefInBlackBeanSauce

Jesus I'd block her.


Pure_Significance383

My dad loved playing break up songs when people broke up around him. Only in good humor of course 🙄


VBSCXND

It’s a little (very) weird to post these inside thoughts but I guess at least it’s not a mom bashing a teenage girl post break up with son?


TheAnswerIsSauce

Kinda related.. My mom used to fb message back and forth with my ex….after I broke up with them after sexual abuse. She still would say “Aw but I liked them. Miss them”. I didn’t tell her about the abuse but I asked her “please stop talking to them, they weren’t good to me.” But she still would comment on their stuff now and again.


9999_6666

Maybe send an email.


pastelpixelator

They're children, WTF?!


PsycheDiver

Better than what my ex’s parents said to me. I went from “keeper” to an essay about how I was going to literally rot in actual hell (they are very religious) pretty much overnight.


freeedom123

![gif](giphy|iDIJezAxNyRsZTx678)


CrispAvocadoToast

My father told me after I broke up with my first serious girlfriend: "You're never going to find someone like her again." He was wrong, but it did take me almost 30 years.


ExcitementWorldly769

She sounds like one of those castrating moms who embeds herself in her kid's life to a point where he'll never grow and become a fully functional adult. Having a relationship with someone like that will be incredibly hard because the mom will always be competing with the wife for the attention of the son, and he will often side with mom.


---FUCKING-PEG-ME---

Helicopter Mom. Move out as soon as you can, kid.


whateverwhatis

I'm so incredibly glad that this wasn't around when I was a teenager. My mom would have absolutely done this shit. She has Facebook messaged crushes and ex's of myself and my sisters before. Jesus.


LasagneFiend

This is a real boy mum.


Prestigious-Alarm422

This belongs in a text message not on a TikTok with accompanying photos/videos. I like the sentiment but this really doesn’t need to be public.


md24

Bless your heart. Some parents know their kids are pieces of shit. They feel bad their spawn abused and treated the girl like dirt. It’s basically an apology.


parker3309

I think her point was that somebody does become a part of your family and like your own kid and you do miss them. Thats okay


yeahipostedthat

I agree with the message but posting it on social media is a bit much. A nice text would have been better.


parker3309

True..


mute1

Agreed with up to a point.


CompanyRepulsive1503

Seems more wholesome than cringe


mshcat

not really wholesome when you're posting a minors breakup and private moments for everyone to see


minxsus

as an ex gf to many hs boys years ago, this would’ve made me feel nice and appreciated. y’all are applying too much of your perspective lmao


Serious_Session7574

I would DIE if an ex's family did that. If they really wanted to say it, they could have said to her, but uploading it to social media for anyone to see? I'd be so embarrassed.


BobbysueWho

I think it’s sweet. I would be so touched. I have had boyfriends moms tell me they love me that I am a part of their lives then turn a cold shoulder as soon as we split. As someone that lost their mother at a young age it was an additional punch to ending a relationship. I would be honored to receive this message.


farmch

My very long term girlfriend and I just broke up. Her mom text me very sweet messages about how much she loves me and will always consider me a part of the family. I, on the other hand, had to convince my mom it was amicable and she shouldn’t spitefully hate her. I don’t know what I would have preferred, but it kinda rules to know my mom will go nuts to defend me.


Magorian97

This is actually pretty wholesome. Shouldn't really have been public knowledge, but still


goth_in_india

Shouldn't have posted this on social media but I like how thoughtful the mother is


Nder_Wiggin

Definitely cringy but I bet the dude hears it from his parents all the time about how he should have never broken up with her and they should get back together. His parents behavior is probably worse then what I described


Swimming-Dot9120

I’m honestly just impressed it isn’t spiteful


salaciousBnumb

I would of been MORTIFIED if either my Mum or ex's Mum did this.


No_Object_4355

Nah Nan thus is some strange shit. I mean this mother done went thru all the videos of them made them into idk what video like saying she is dead to her or something like she and her son will never see that homewrecker again. That poor dude I really feel for him when school starts back and he sees her. He be like sorry bout my mom. She took our breakup really hard lol


44IV4

*ragebait


ZestySue

This was exactly how my ex's mum acted when we broke up. I was 18. I actually cheated on her and after I came clean her mum called and told me we can still make it work. If I was her mum I would have slapped me silly.


nepheelim

girls come and go... tiktok cringe is forever


Serious_Series

My mum wrote a letter to my ex basically saying the same thing. I was like Mum.. she treated me bad and broke my heart...


drummerhummer

Lester Burnham vibes


Vegetable-Ad6382

This would be enough for me to go low contact at 18.


somethingsoddhere

This felt like a memorial video of two kids from a school shooting.


Ambiverthero

Social media is just a stent for the brains thoughts to the outside world and some people don’t know how to keep the valve shut.


peter_parker23

Why didn’t she just text her this lol? This is beyond weird.


Global-Tie5501

Omg, parents finally found a worse thing to put on line than their kid being potty trained as a toddler.


Fit-Boomer

I wonder if maybe the son prompted mom a bit to post it in the hopes of sparking a conversation with the ex?


Fortyplusfour

I get it. Walking the line with my kid for sure depending on how it went, but I get it. Doesnt need to be a post though- far more potential for drama and pain in that format. Just call, wish her well.


Crutch161

It’s called enmeshment. Lack of boundaries. Form of abuse.


iceman333933

This happened to my best friend when he broke up with his girlfriend in high school. Her mom posted about it on Facebook (and this was 2007 so social media was fairly new). It was weird then and still very weird now. Don't do this parents. Don't do this


BrownHoney114

🤢🤮


Stormagedd0nDarkLord

I did not know cringe went to 11.


angrymale

People underestimate the impact a young persons break up can have on the surrounding family. My bro is older than me by 4 years, when he was 18 he broke up with his gf of a good few years and I was absolutely devastated, she was amazing with me as a younger bro, playing halo, helping with homework and shit.


eidam87

That is sweet


Schrodinger137

it's just weird


crossingbreak

Ugh… what type of parents use tik tok to farm engagement. Let your kids live their lives in piece. A nice text to her would have sufficed.


MysticcMoon

Holy hell.


tecate_papi

I've had friends with this type of mom. The type of mom who, 20 years later, won't accept any of the other girlfriends you've brought home, hates your wife, constantly reminds you of your high school ex and keeps in contact with her on Facebook. Toxic shit.


takitoodle

This is fucking weird


freelanceforever

I’m not a regular mom. I’m a cool mom.


Cardboard_rocks

If they're that close she could have told her this to her personally. This is pure Internet attention seeking. Good job my mum wasn't like this, I had more boyfriends than hot dinners.


Ok-Bandicoot1109

This is one of them, send a text instead moments. I hate social media posts like this.


TittyCobra

Ok, but is it the mom or the dad that posted it. No matter which way you slice it this is weird as shit. But if the dad posted it he should be added to a watch list


wehadthebabyitsaboy

This is creepy.


SubstantialTent

The only way this is acceptable, is if their son died or something like that.


ggwing1992

Cringy


JustAudit

I hope its not the dad doing the tiktoks.. that would be super weird🤣


PhilosopherAway647

This is.. very weird


rdell1974

I understand sending it privately, but this was made for attention.


Intelligent-Ant7685

com’on, mom wants you guys to get back together, she needs someone to talk to at Chili’s


cheesyandcrispy

Actually wholesome!


Pilot-Signal

Privacy and intimate memories: extinct


niqdisaster

im so close to looking at the comments for this


mcb89

I for one love this 💙 beautiful that gratitude is being expressed 💙 if ex’s have issues with this 🚩


MustardSocietyy

this is worse than blackmailing


Superb-Fail-9937

Eeeewwwwwww


forgot_the_Bop

My mom was like this with a gear I dated in high-school. She “accidentally” called every girl I dated her name for the next 10 years.


VoodooDoII

Ik the circumstances are different, but my mom's cousin in Germany was engaged for over 15 years and eventually things didn't work out (fell out of love I think) but there was no bad blood and we all still see her as part of the family anyways. It's sweet. My mom's family is sweet.


DefinitionSquare8705

Our son's an entitled little asshole and we are kicking him out. Please come back...


BoorishCunt

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coachkimster

I mean maybe just side with and focus on your own child? idk


g_cheeks

Naw this is lovely. I would feel so treasure if this was me, and seeing it reminds me of the beautiful families I’ve met through ex partners


sheridaaamn

The weirdest thing is these kids are like 12 or 13😬 parents should not validate a child’s “relationship” this much other than “oh that’s cute”, this cannot be healthy.