Papyrus + Sans both seem too young to have been alive for Integrity. Besides, Papyrus doesn't want anyone dead and Sans would be too lazy.
No problem with Bravery, but Patience is implied to have died in Ruins, and some monster there went out and gave it to Asgore.
Yellow Soul can't have died to Mettaton because Mettaton didn't have his robot form unti; apparently two weeks or so before Frisk fell, thanks to the Statue date in Hotel. And Toriel says Frisk is the first to fall in a while, so...
Undyne acts as if she's never seen a human before, what with not knowing how they really are and saying stuff like she's gonna do a service to her people, and also acting as if you're the first human she's ever met.
Muffet to me feels as if she's like 16-18. So DEFINITELY wouldn't be alive for Perseverance.
Now that I think of it if patience died in the ruins it could've been cuz they never asked toriel how to get out, and just waited there till maybe old age or some kind of sickness.
After all there's no sunlight in the underground so lack of vitamin D and all that
Only Napstablook can seemingly leave before Toriel reopens the door, but he somehow doesn’t know who Asgore is, only referring to him as a “hairy guy”. Flowey can also dig under, but he’d just take the soul for himself.
How would toriel preserve the soul? She could've given to not let it go to waste, maybe thinking asgore would've absorbed it and gotten the other souls.
Why would patience even throw their items out anyway?
1. The same way Asgore did? Why would Toriel just hand over their soul to some random ass monster for no reason? We know Toriel hasn’t seen Asgore since their initial breakup.
2. The same reason the player does.
That's a very good argument. For this reason alone I don't think patience died in the ruins since there would be no way for a monster to transport them out especially with how inconvenient it is to access the ruins
I think the only potential scenario would be that IF patience did die in the ruins, a monster would notify the guard or king, and the soul would be properly contained and then be transported. We can infer that souls must last for at least a few minutes after death, as multiple monsters though undyne predominately try to kill you in order to get your soul to the king.
which is a statement, not a threat.
For example, if sans never distracted undyne, she probably would have killed you. And we know that getting to the surface doesn't appeal to him, so combined with his laziness, there's a very low chance he killed a human
Then why would his eyes dissapear and he says that in a threatening tone?
It's like when he said, he doesn't care about capturing humans can also have two meanings:
1. He simply doesn't care.
2. He doesn't take prisoners.
Both of them are likely options when you think about it.
The yellow soul can't have died to ex. Mettatton, in his base form, is borderline indestructible judgment that could very well have died there. toriel wouldn't let anyone die in the ruins.
Just as the player left their gear, I think patience just kinda left stuff.
Sans is lazy, but he could have just let someone else kill integrity.
I feel like kindness gave their soul without a fight after hearing the story of the underground... maybe not to undyne but to asgore at least.
Bravery and patience, I agree, died at the end
As for perseverance, that ones hard to tell... could be a relative of the spiders.
While papyrus was definetely too young to kill integrity (and probably didnt even ever meet a human), we dont have any ideas on how old sans is outside of him being an adult and older than papyrus, so a younger, less nihilistic sans could have done the job
Patience couldn't have died in the ruins because then Asgore would have never gotten their soul and Toriel would not have left you alone if something like that happened in the ruins. It's much more likely that patience simply lost or got rid of their equipment because they found better ones. You are assuming they wouldn't have access to better equipment because we don't but that's stupid because it's been decades since they died and if they still had their equipment when they died we would not be able to access it because it would be in their corpse. Not to mention that patiences items are in completely different places in the ruins.
Actually, she said she saw it "time and time again" not that every one left. And maybe she didn't know about the existence of Patience until it was too late.
Ur wrong with the Sans bit. Toriel asked sans for a favor, if human comes out of this door, make sure he's safe. And Sans actually tells you about it during the dinner in the core. And he actually, maybe, would've killed you if not the Toriel.
Nuh uh, YOU'RE wrong. Not only would it be incredibly hard for Sans to kill you on a neutral/pacifist route, not only is he too lazy to do so, and not only does he know there's no point in fighting you anyway, since you'll just reset, and it's not like you'll do anything besides go to the surface. Plus, he says it was a joke. It was an empty threat, not a warning.
interesting fact, the demo's description for the faded ribbon is that it's a ribbon that was "lost down a hole"
it's very possible patience just dropped it and never picked it up
About that undyne part, I think that it was gerson who encountered the green soul, before undyne’s time was gerson, the great hammer. And he doesn’t seem surprised when frisk visited his shop, so I believe that it was gerson who fought the green (kindness????? I forgor) soul.
"but Patience is implied to have died in Ruins" Uh, no they're not? It make no sense for a human to have died in the ruins, because otherwise Asgore would never had the soul and the body.
" because Mettaton didn't have his robot form unti; apparently two weeks or so before Frisk fell, thanks to the Statue date in Hotel." The statue being added last week doesn't mean that Mettaton only got his body last week.
But i doubt that he had even met Alphys (if she was already born back then) when the last human before Frisk fell.
1. Wrong. Lol. Monsters could have exited with the SOUL and brought it to Asgore.
2. By robot form I meant EX, also, we know Mettaton and Alphys have only known each other for like a year, so considering humans fall around 15 years after each other, and the diaries in Metta's house, we know better and confirming dates.
"Wrong. Lol. Monsters could have exited with the SOUL and brought it to Asgore." Without being noticed by Toriel...? Do they even know where the exit is...?
Not mentionning the fact that they would need to kill a human, who could save and load. Also these lines from Toriel herself:
*"Every human that falls down there meet the same fate. I have seen it again and again. They come.* ***They leave****. They die."*
"By robot form I meant EX" You were mentionning the statue. The statue that shows Box Mettaton.
Sans amd papyrus have never seen a human before and sans wouldn't be lazy about it. remember, if it weren't for that promise he made, ***"y o u ' d b e d e a d w h e r e y o u s t a n d"***
Wrong. He's too lazy to kill you, along with how hard to kill you on pacifist and neutral. Besides, he has no motivation to anyway. You're another one of those media illiterate people when it comes to this line- he genuinely was joking.
But still Sans and Papyrus have never seen a human before so my main point is still valid. Also if he was joking why would he be dead serious when saying it? Just curious
Lots of problems with this.
Metaton's human hatred is a part of the act he puts on for the public. He loves humanity. The main reason for targeting Frisk is because of Asgore got their soul Asgore would destroy humanity.
Papyrus talks a big game about capturing humans but when it comes to KILLING one he doesn't even try when said human has already shown signs of being a serial killer.
Sans has NO idea what the anomaly (Flowey canonically) he's looking into is. If he'd encountered a human before Frisk, they would have been the suspected culprit.
Undyne has no DIRECT evidence against her killing a previous human but plenty of indirect evidence. When Undyne describes what she thinks of humanity it's all based on history or "history" (aka anime). This is most blatant that she believes that humans can use mind control. This is based on the plot of Mew Mew Kitty Cutie and not reality.
Muffet I feel would be a bigger deal if she'd actually killed a human before and also Muffet had no incentive to before Metaton hired her. Muffet largely cares about money and spiders. The overall freedom of the underground is irrelevant to a monster who's selfish and LIKES dark claustrophobic spaces.
If Mettaton wouldve seen a human, they would've used the human soul to leave the underground. Which is their plan in Undertale. Which further disproves the persons post.
Good job! You got all my thoughts already said!
You said it great pal don’t worry, I don’t know why they tried to restate what they said like they were correcting you, when you were kinda obviously agreeing with their point and adding onto it
Even if it was, >!Mettaton is nowhere to be seen in UTY. Clover either renounces to their SOUL or is killed by Asgore, Mettaton never had the chance to kill them.!<
I want it to be canon too, and it can be canon too. But Toby Fox can just come out of his cave and say thar Justice died by tripping and falling down to the lava in Hotland.
You can't just look at the soul color the battle uses and say that. Papyrus NEVER encountered a human before Frisk. Mettaton loves humanity, it's an act. Muffet? You know, debatable. Asgore killing Bravery and Patience? I mean, he DEFINITELY killed at least one child before Frisk, so maybe. Undyne also never met a human before.
Also isn't it possible that some of the monsters didn't even exist by the time the other humans fell down it is only confirmed how long a boss monster can live with them being almost immortal yet we have no idea how long the lifespan of an average monster can be and seeing as how frisk is unable to cast spells or do any form of magic for that matter that we have seen shows that a considerable amount of time has past since then with humans being able to cast magic a long time ago and seeming to forget/lose the ability to cast magic over time that means probably way over a decade they have been trapped in the underground for
AFAIK Asgore is the only one who has killed humans. Undyne and Paps never even encountered one before. Safe to assume that's the case for Alphys and Mettaton as well, considering Alphys should be roughly the same age as Mettaton.
Chances are it has been a really long time since those humans were killed, leaving Asgore and Toriel as the only ones to know about them since they literally aren't growing older.
Hm, that would be rlly dark if all the monster cast killed a human child and never expressed any remorse or confessed that to the player. Like everyone’s just hiding it?
I think it makes most sense for all humans to have died to Asgore, except MAYBE patience but, I just like the idea of Asgore killing six children instead of two. Makes more sense for how depressed he is.
You're forgetting that the Undertale Yellow situation is exactly the thing that happens with the souls. They fell down to the underground at different piints in time way before Frisk (but not before Chara cause they're the first human)
Guys am i the only one that noticed that it just corresponds to the soul mode the boss has + asgore (im assuming because he has orange and blue attacks)
In my headcanon: Most them had been killed by R.S.I agents in direct order of asgore, he basically didn't killed them, but either he decided sent basically agent from basically monster version of MI16,
I personally have trouble believing anyone but Asgore had previously taken human souls. Aside from things like Papyrus not recognizing the human or Undyne having never seen a human before, so much emphasis is put on Asgore as like, *the* guy you need to worry about. You’re never warned about Mettaton or Undyne. But the first time we hear of Asgore, we’re told he *will* kill us.
most monsters have not seen a human before. it was a long time between the seventh fallen human (the sixth whose soul was collected) and frisk. i think the only ones who have and who we meet during the events of undertale are the dreemurs and gerson
I think integrity would’ve been killed by Undyne. I think integrity tried to stand up to her for basically being racist and immediately regretted that decision.
i don’t agree with everything here, but for the light blue and orange soul it would make sense because asgore uses blue and orange magic! i can’t believe i never thought of that
that's literally what it is, you were bored so you used the different soul colours to determine different soul type's death, without thinking about them otherwise
Save for obviously Asgore, Toriel, and Flowey- none of Undertale's main cast have ever encountered a human before Frisk (potential SkelloBros being from Deltarune theory not aside).
I don’t care what anyone says about canonicity, Integrity was killed by Axis-014, and Justice went out on their own terms, shuddup UT Yellow is perfect enough for me to consider it canon
Mettaton could have killed the Green Soul human because he had a cooking show. Though I think that since they were the Kindness soul they actually gave their soul to Asgore to free the monsters.
1. Yep, checks out
2. Mettaton didn't even have a robot body until two weeks before Frisk fell into the underground and wouldn't have given the soul to Asgore anyway since he wanted to pass through the barrier himself and join humanity
3. Sans and Papyrus only showed up pretty recently and Papyrus has never seen a human before
4. Muffet doesn't appear to have interacted with a human before considering her spiders all just say that they've just heard rumors about humans hating spiders
5. The same issue as Papyrus, Undyne has never seen a human before
YOU STOLE MY BRAVRYEY PATIENCE DUO THAT WAS MY HEAD CANON HOW COULD YOU HAVE POSSIBLY JUST COINCENDENTALLY SAID THAT NOT ONLY THOSE TWO CHARACTERS WERE RELATED BUT ALSO THAT THEY HAVE THE SAME PERSON WHO KILLED THEM?!?! yeah but in all seriousness did you? I wouldn't be mad I'm just suprised
Your headcanons. As Undertale Yellow is an unnoficial prequel endorced by Toby Fox.(also it explains not only how yellow souled human died but also how blue souled human did)
patience gets killed by a random monster then that monster hides the body in snowdin
bravery failed a genocide route (he did genocide with his bare fists btw)
i just assumed:
patience died in the ruins because standing still and taking hits ain’t a good survival method
bravery died in snowdin from the cold
both integrity and perseverance died in waterfall because skill issue i guess
kindness got killed by a random monster or smth in hotland
justice got dunked on by mettaton
I always thought Justice was killed by Undyne and fell in the trash zone exlaining why Catty and Katty found their stuff there. I saw the Goldenflowers in this zone as a sort of grave like speculated for Chara at the very beggining of the game
Their deaths are definitely left ambiguous so that anyone could or could not be right, minus a few in game details. We know that asgore and toriel are effectively immortal so the date since their entrapment could be anywhere from a few hundred to a few thousand years.
Asgore was specifically called out for the fact he chose not to get other souls from the surface, and rather wait for humans to fall into the underground, plus he is the very last monster you fight in the game, so it might be possible he never even fought any humans to begin with.
Im like 99% sure cause of all the hints and the dialogues and stuff (+ theories I've seen) that they all could come back from death, and asgore finished them All and took souls.
Mettaton wouldn't willingly give the soul to Asgore. He only fights you so he can go to the surface and stop Asgore's plan.
Papyrus cannot have killed a human.
Sans only moved in recently, and would be too lazy to kill Integrity.
Muffet probably wouldn't give up the soul either. She only fights you because Mettaton hired her.
Undyne is plausible...
Or y'know, asgore killed them all. Guy got all their coffins and junk. Plus you can tell asgore that he killed you multiple times and he nods, so guy clearly killed humans before. Plus asgore did pledge to kill every humans that fell in the underground. Too bad items placement doesn't really make sense, they're not at the same places they're all scattered all over the place.
I think integrity died to a random waterfall monster and perseverance died to undyne. I think bravery died to sans before he made a promise not to kill any humans. Justice probably died to a monster that was there before mad dummy.
We actually have a canon for how the yellow soul died. According to undertale yellow "clover" died by giving up their soul for "justice" to ceroba. (Apparently confirmed)
Papyrus + Sans both seem too young to have been alive for Integrity. Besides, Papyrus doesn't want anyone dead and Sans would be too lazy. No problem with Bravery, but Patience is implied to have died in Ruins, and some monster there went out and gave it to Asgore. Yellow Soul can't have died to Mettaton because Mettaton didn't have his robot form unti; apparently two weeks or so before Frisk fell, thanks to the Statue date in Hotel. And Toriel says Frisk is the first to fall in a while, so... Undyne acts as if she's never seen a human before, what with not knowing how they really are and saying stuff like she's gonna do a service to her people, and also acting as if you're the first human she's ever met. Muffet to me feels as if she's like 16-18. So DEFINITELY wouldn't be alive for Perseverance.
Now that I think of it if patience died in the ruins it could've been cuz they never asked toriel how to get out, and just waited there till maybe old age or some kind of sickness. After all there's no sunlight in the underground so lack of vitamin D and all that
Toriel would’ve kept the soul herself. Patience likely just tossed their items out
What if the monsters in the ruins found it, and brought it to ASGORE instead?
Only Napstablook can seemingly leave before Toriel reopens the door, but he somehow doesn’t know who Asgore is, only referring to him as a “hairy guy”. Flowey can also dig under, but he’d just take the soul for himself.
How would toriel preserve the soul? She could've given to not let it go to waste, maybe thinking asgore would've absorbed it and gotten the other souls. Why would patience even throw their items out anyway?
1. The same way Asgore did? Why would Toriel just hand over their soul to some random ass monster for no reason? We know Toriel hasn’t seen Asgore since their initial breakup. 2. The same reason the player does.
For your first point: how would she contain it like asgore did? Didn’t he use those container things specifically made to hold souls?
That's a very good argument. For this reason alone I don't think patience died in the ruins since there would be no way for a monster to transport them out especially with how inconvenient it is to access the ruins
I think the only potential scenario would be that IF patience did die in the ruins, a monster would notify the guard or king, and the soul would be properly contained and then be transported. We can infer that souls must last for at least a few minutes after death, as multiple monsters though undyne predominately try to kill you in order to get your soul to the king.
my personal theory for patience is that toriel went and gave it to asgore in the hopes the bloodshed would end sooner
patience so they died of old age
Idk man I just was bored and thogut of it
Sans does say on pacifist that you’d be “dead where you stand” if he never made the promise to Toriel.
which is a statement, not a threat. For example, if sans never distracted undyne, she probably would have killed you. And we know that getting to the surface doesn't appeal to him, so combined with his laziness, there's a very low chance he killed a human
Wait why would Frisk have died if Sans didn't distract Undyne? She catches up to Frisk multiple times during the encounter
more encounters = more chances to get hit = more likely to die
Yes but in that room you're already about as fast as Undyne so she wouldn't have had the chance to catch up to you
By that point... Not really as she doesn't turn ya green anymore. She literally can't hurt you.
Then why would his eyes dissapear and he says that in a threatening tone? It's like when he said, he doesn't care about capturing humans can also have two meanings: 1. He simply doesn't care. 2. He doesn't take prisoners. Both of them are likely options when you think about it.
He actually killed the switch soul after accidentally tripping and sending a bone through the middle of them.
I always took it to mean that once upon a time, sans did his job.
It is a threat
Tbh I think that promise is why he is so lazy. Because he w9nt harm anyone because he has no reason to, or he's just lazy
That's fair, its also cool to see if those thoughts stand up to scrutiny
The yellow soul can't have died to ex. Mettatton, in his base form, is borderline indestructible judgment that could very well have died there. toriel wouldn't let anyone die in the ruins. Just as the player left their gear, I think patience just kinda left stuff. Sans is lazy, but he could have just let someone else kill integrity. I feel like kindness gave their soul without a fight after hearing the story of the underground... maybe not to undyne but to asgore at least. Bravery and patience, I agree, died at the end As for perseverance, that ones hard to tell... could be a relative of the spiders.
While papyrus was definetely too young to kill integrity (and probably didnt even ever meet a human), we dont have any ideas on how old sans is outside of him being an adult and older than papyrus, so a younger, less nihilistic sans could have done the job
Patience couldn't have died in the ruins because then Asgore would have never gotten their soul and Toriel would not have left you alone if something like that happened in the ruins. It's much more likely that patience simply lost or got rid of their equipment because they found better ones. You are assuming they wouldn't have access to better equipment because we don't but that's stupid because it's been decades since they died and if they still had their equipment when they died we would not be able to access it because it would be in their corpse. Not to mention that patiences items are in completely different places in the ruins.
>Patience is implied to have died in Ruins Every human who comes to ruins left according to Toriel
Actually, she said she saw it "time and time again" not that every one left. And maybe she didn't know about the existence of Patience until it was too late.
* **Every humans** that fall down here meets the same fate. * I have seen it again and again. * They come. * They leave. * They die.
I always thought of Muffet as the middle-aged mother of every spider in the Underground
Ur wrong with the Sans bit. Toriel asked sans for a favor, if human comes out of this door, make sure he's safe. And Sans actually tells you about it during the dinner in the core. And he actually, maybe, would've killed you if not the Toriel.
Nuh uh, YOU'RE wrong. Not only would it be incredibly hard for Sans to kill you on a neutral/pacifist route, not only is he too lazy to do so, and not only does he know there's no point in fighting you anyway, since you'll just reset, and it's not like you'll do anything besides go to the surface. Plus, he says it was a joke. It was an empty threat, not a warning.
Ur overcomplicating him, I'm talking about him as a game character, but not as a Fandom created one. But good point 👍
I'm talking about him in a game standard, too. He's a very complex character, if anything im UNDERcomplicating him.
No wonder the patience soul was in the ruins, they waited too long
Yuh
Patience is not implied to have been killed in the Ruins. It definitely seems like they just left their items there.
interesting fact, the demo's description for the faded ribbon is that it's a ribbon that was "lost down a hole" it's very possible patience just dropped it and never picked it up
About that undyne part, I think that it was gerson who encountered the green soul, before undyne’s time was gerson, the great hammer. And he doesn’t seem surprised when frisk visited his shop, so I believe that it was gerson who fought the green (kindness????? I forgor) soul.
I doubt it, he's been in retirement since the war.
In his username, papyrus has 1991. If it is his birth year, he’s older than the fall of Chara, who fell in 2010.
2091 exist.
Yes, frisk fell in the future
When did I say they didn't ?
"but Patience is implied to have died in Ruins" Uh, no they're not? It make no sense for a human to have died in the ruins, because otherwise Asgore would never had the soul and the body. " because Mettaton didn't have his robot form unti; apparently two weeks or so before Frisk fell, thanks to the Statue date in Hotel." The statue being added last week doesn't mean that Mettaton only got his body last week. But i doubt that he had even met Alphys (if she was already born back then) when the last human before Frisk fell.
1. Wrong. Lol. Monsters could have exited with the SOUL and brought it to Asgore. 2. By robot form I meant EX, also, we know Mettaton and Alphys have only known each other for like a year, so considering humans fall around 15 years after each other, and the diaries in Metta's house, we know better and confirming dates.
"Wrong. Lol. Monsters could have exited with the SOUL and brought it to Asgore." Without being noticed by Toriel...? Do they even know where the exit is...? Not mentionning the fact that they would need to kill a human, who could save and load. Also these lines from Toriel herself: *"Every human that falls down there meet the same fate. I have seen it again and again. They come.* ***They leave****. They die."* "By robot form I meant EX" You were mentionning the statue. The statue that shows Box Mettaton.
I always thought muffet was, like, 60!
Sans amd papyrus have never seen a human before and sans wouldn't be lazy about it. remember, if it weren't for that promise he made, ***"y o u ' d b e d e a d w h e r e y o u s t a n d"***
Wrong. He's too lazy to kill you, along with how hard to kill you on pacifist and neutral. Besides, he has no motivation to anyway. You're another one of those media illiterate people when it comes to this line- he genuinely was joking.
But still Sans and Papyrus have never seen a human before so my main point is still valid. Also if he was joking why would he be dead serious when saying it? Just curious
Didn't the designer of Muffet say that they didn't give them an age?
The way she acts is very childish.
I can think of tons of adults that act like children or like or say or do childish things, Muffet doesn't have a canon age regardless
Sans never made the promise before Frisk
Papyrus hasn't encountered a human before frisk
Yeah and the only monsters we know encountered humans before frisk fallen are: flowey(as Asriel), Toriel, Gerson(during the war) and Asgore.
Considering Papyrus mistakes a rock as human I doubt he's ever encountered one before Frisk let alone killed them
Lots of problems with this. Metaton's human hatred is a part of the act he puts on for the public. He loves humanity. The main reason for targeting Frisk is because of Asgore got their soul Asgore would destroy humanity. Papyrus talks a big game about capturing humans but when it comes to KILLING one he doesn't even try when said human has already shown signs of being a serial killer. Sans has NO idea what the anomaly (Flowey canonically) he's looking into is. If he'd encountered a human before Frisk, they would have been the suspected culprit. Undyne has no DIRECT evidence against her killing a previous human but plenty of indirect evidence. When Undyne describes what she thinks of humanity it's all based on history or "history" (aka anime). This is most blatant that she believes that humans can use mind control. This is based on the plot of Mew Mew Kitty Cutie and not reality. Muffet I feel would be a bigger deal if she'd actually killed a human before and also Muffet had no incentive to before Metaton hired her. Muffet largely cares about money and spiders. The overall freedom of the underground is irrelevant to a monster who's selfish and LIKES dark claustrophobic spaces.
If Mettaton wouldve seen a human, they would've used the human soul to leave the underground. Which is their plan in Undertale. Which further disproves the persons post. Good job! You got all my thoughts already said!
The fact that Asgore has the yellow soul still means MTT did not kill them.
That's what I said must've not word it correctly
You said it great pal don’t worry, I don’t know why they tried to restate what they said like they were correcting you, when you were kinda obviously agreeing with their point and adding onto it
“Idk, i was just bored” -OP, probably.
Op has responded to many comments with basically this lol
Papyrus and Undyne never met a human before
Neither did Mettaton.
True
It's scaring me just how little knowledge people have of the story in this post lmao
Before anyone says anything about Mettaton killing justice/Clover. UNDERTALE. YELLOW. ISN'T. CANON.
But now it's my headcanon.
Same
I love how the UTY isn't canon reminders are 20 times more oppressive and violent then the casual dude who references Clover
Mettaton was built after all six humans had fallen down
It's closer to canon than OP's theory
Even if it was, >!Mettaton is nowhere to be seen in UTY. Clover either renounces to their SOUL or is killed by Asgore, Mettaton never had the chance to kill them.!<
I'm tobert foxington and I am here to say it's canon
Papyrus himself said that frisk was the first human he has encountered
As an undertale Yellow Fan I want to shoot myself
It's not canon. We like acting like it is (and it could be) but it simply isn't officially considered canon right now.
To me, it is, feel free to disagree
A lot of stuff in Undertale Yellow directly contradicts Undertale itself.
I want it to be canon too, and it can be canon too. But Toby Fox can just come out of his cave and say thar Justice died by tripping and falling down to the lava in Hotland.
That would be funny ngl, but wouldn't the soul be destroyed ?
Shhh a Tsunderplane snatched it (100 rel)
:O
Nah, asgore, toriel and Gerson are the only ones that are old enough
You can't just look at the soul color the battle uses and say that. Papyrus NEVER encountered a human before Frisk. Mettaton loves humanity, it's an act. Muffet? You know, debatable. Asgore killing Bravery and Patience? I mean, he DEFINITELY killed at least one child before Frisk, so maybe. Undyne also never met a human before.
Isn't it confirmed that frisk is papyrus's first human due to him not recognizing what a human looks like at first
Also isn't it possible that some of the monsters didn't even exist by the time the other humans fell down it is only confirmed how long a boss monster can live with them being almost immortal yet we have no idea how long the lifespan of an average monster can be and seeing as how frisk is unable to cast spells or do any form of magic for that matter that we have seen shows that a considerable amount of time has past since then with humans being able to cast magic a long time ago and seeming to forget/lose the ability to cast magic over time that means probably way over a decade they have been trapped in the underground for
okay but what about the switch one?
It blew up when you ran fortnite on your switch
I ran fortnite on my switch 3 years ago, and I’m still fine!
Switch is integrity (source: my headcannon)
AFAIK Asgore is the only one who has killed humans. Undyne and Paps never even encountered one before. Safe to assume that's the case for Alphys and Mettaton as well, considering Alphys should be roughly the same age as Mettaton. Chances are it has been a really long time since those humans were killed, leaving Asgore and Toriel as the only ones to know about them since they literally aren't growing older.
Hm, that would be rlly dark if all the monster cast killed a human child and never expressed any remorse or confessed that to the player. Like everyone’s just hiding it?
I think it makes most sense for all humans to have died to Asgore, except MAYBE patience but, I just like the idea of Asgore killing six children instead of two. Makes more sense for how depressed he is.
You're forgetting that the Undertale Yellow situation is exactly the thing that happens with the souls. They fell down to the underground at different piints in time way before Frisk (but not before Chara cause they're the first human)
Axis
I rember you human…. You belong on the stairs
Guys am i the only one that noticed that it just corresponds to the soul mode the boss has + asgore (im assuming because he has orange and blue attacks)
Yea
Its canon via Toby Foxs twitter that Asgore killed all 6 of the kids
[here it is!](https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/s/qVPecKzPPe)
Oh never mind then
I did always love the headcanon that the item placement was showing where the humans died, but oh well :/
Am I misremembering or doesn’t the game literally tell you that asgore killed the other 6 humans
I just came up with it without thinking ok?
Yeah that’s fine but no else else in the comments are saying this so idk if I’m wrong
Everyone’s just complaing in the comments like they need to grow up
Integrity died to Axis wdym (UTY is definitely canon)
Axis killed integrity and Clover killed themselves, Is op stupid?
I can’t tell if you’re trolling or just another person in denial of UTY not being canon.
In my headcanon: Most them had been killed by R.S.I agents in direct order of asgore, he basically didn't killed them, but either he decided sent basically agent from basically monster version of MI16,
Maybe gaster got integrity lol
Yea makes more sense I could not think of anything so I just said that
Fair
I’m fairly sure sans and papyrus weren’t even around by that time, and undyne implies you are the first human she has ever seen
Ngl the only one that makes sense there is the Orange Soul
Papyrus has never seen a human prior to Frisk and Sans killing a human seems unlikely
I personally have trouble believing anyone but Asgore had previously taken human souls. Aside from things like Papyrus not recognizing the human or Undyne having never seen a human before, so much emphasis is put on Asgore as like, *the* guy you need to worry about. You’re never warned about Mettaton or Undyne. But the first time we hear of Asgore, we’re told he *will* kill us.
Patience is Anakin. Died because of thing he hates the most... Sand
My headcanon is that they all died by the hands of King Asgore 
It's not even a Headcanon that's just Canonically what happened.
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most monsters have not seen a human before. it was a long time between the seventh fallen human (the sixth whose soul was collected) and frisk. i think the only ones who have and who we meet during the events of undertale are the dreemurs and gerson
One of my only issues putting kindness near the end of waterfall is you find their belongings in hot Land
I'm pretty sure it was confirmed somewhere that Asgore killed the humans himself.
I think integrity would’ve been killed by Undyne. I think integrity tried to stand up to her for basically being racist and immediately regretted that decision.
Sans said Papyrus had never seen a human before Frisk. But it’s possible Sans alone killed Integrity
Doesn't sans have Integrity and Courage souls in his eyeball?
Idk about the others but Bratty and Catty found the Empty Gun and Cowboy Hat in the dump, so the Justice child died in Waterfall
i don’t agree with everything here, but for the light blue and orange soul it would make sense because asgore uses blue and orange magic! i can’t believe i never thought of that
Yea I just kinda though everything together without thinking
literally your theory was linking the souls to the different soul colours without thinking about it in any other way?
no I was bored and just put them together for no reason
that's literally what it is, you were bored so you used the different soul colours to determine different soul type's death, without thinking about them otherwise
Save for obviously Asgore, Toriel, and Flowey- none of Undertale's main cast have ever encountered a human before Frisk (potential SkelloBros being from Deltarune theory not aside).
Papyrus doesn't even know what a human is Like he knows they exist but he doesn't know what they look like or what they're capable of
I can up with it without thinking ok?
You think papyrus who when you get 0 hp against uniquely doesnt result in a game over is able to kill?
Listen bud I just came up with it without thinking
I don’t care what anyone says about canonicity, Integrity was killed by Axis-014, and Justice went out on their own terms, shuddup UT Yellow is perfect enough for me to consider it canon
my headcanon is that they either died to asgore or random things near the location of their items, with yellow soul and blue soul being like in UTY
Mettaton just fucking kicks clover's teeth in
i think no one lost their souls against asgore because undyne in her fight says that no human has made to asgore
Mettaton could have killed the Green Soul human because he had a cooking show. Though I think that since they were the Kindness soul they actually gave their soul to Asgore to free the monsters.
Finnaly not some discord mod complaing about how I am wrong
How has nobody realized it is just the color your soul ( and asgores attacks) is in these battles
Yea like I was just bored and came up with the idea
1. Yep, checks out 2. Mettaton didn't even have a robot body until two weeks before Frisk fell into the underground and wouldn't have given the soul to Asgore anyway since he wanted to pass through the barrier himself and join humanity 3. Sans and Papyrus only showed up pretty recently and Papyrus has never seen a human before 4. Muffet doesn't appear to have interacted with a human before considering her spiders all just say that they've just heard rumors about humans hating spiders 5. The same issue as Papyrus, Undyne has never seen a human before
Bro I just was bored no need to be a asshole about it
I wasn't? I was just laying out my points image by image. How am I specifically being an asshole but the other people doing the same aren't?
Sorry people have just been being ass holes to me a lot lately it’s hard to tell who is and who’s not
Neither Papyrus, nor Undyne or Mettaton have ever met any humans before. Papyrus don't even know what they look like.
Most of these monsters have canonically never seen a human before though....
YOU STOLE MY BRAVRYEY PATIENCE DUO THAT WAS MY HEAD CANON HOW COULD YOU HAVE POSSIBLY JUST COINCENDENTALLY SAID THAT NOT ONLY THOSE TWO CHARACTERS WERE RELATED BUT ALSO THAT THEY HAVE THE SAME PERSON WHO KILLED THEM?!?! yeah but in all seriousness did you? I wouldn't be mad I'm just suprised
Your headcanons. As Undertale Yellow is an unnoficial prequel endorced by Toby Fox.(also it explains not only how yellow souled human died but also how blue souled human did)
patience gets killed by a random monster then that monster hides the body in snowdin bravery failed a genocide route (he did genocide with his bare fists btw)
Mu headcanon is the canon of aproved by Toby fangames like Undertale Yellow and Undertale Green that We're gonna get in another 7 years.
wasn't mettaton's body made relatively recently when frisk fell? I doubt that he would be able to do much to humans that fell down without a body
Sans and papyrus never met a human before and maybe undyne aswell
i just assumed: patience died in the ruins because standing still and taking hits ain’t a good survival method bravery died in snowdin from the cold both integrity and perseverance died in waterfall because skill issue i guess kindness got killed by a random monster or smth in hotland justice got dunked on by mettaton
Basically how far they got
I always thought Justice was killed by Undyne and fell in the trash zone exlaining why Catty and Katty found their stuff there. I saw the Goldenflowers in this zone as a sort of grave like speculated for Chara at the very beggining of the game
Sans and Paps would never kill someone without a good reason
No. Especially since Undyune has never seen a human before.
Their deaths are definitely left ambiguous so that anyone could or could not be right, minus a few in game details. We know that asgore and toriel are effectively immortal so the date since their entrapment could be anywhere from a few hundred to a few thousand years. Asgore was specifically called out for the fact he chose not to get other souls from the surface, and rather wait for humans to fall into the underground, plus he is the very last monster you fight in the game, so it might be possible he never even fought any humans to begin with.
Im like 99% sure cause of all the hints and the dialogues and stuff (+ theories I've seen) that they all could come back from death, and asgore finished them All and took souls.
I don't think sans and papyrus did shit
Mettaton wouldn't willingly give the soul to Asgore. He only fights you so he can go to the surface and stop Asgore's plan. Papyrus cannot have killed a human. Sans only moved in recently, and would be too lazy to kill Integrity. Muffet probably wouldn't give up the soul either. She only fights you because Mettaton hired her. Undyne is plausible...
I know I was just bored
Or y'know, asgore killed them all. Guy got all their coffins and junk. Plus you can tell asgore that he killed you multiple times and he nods, so guy clearly killed humans before. Plus asgore did pledge to kill every humans that fell in the underground. Too bad items placement doesn't really make sense, they're not at the same places they're all scattered all over the place.
I know that
I think all died to Asgore
I know I was just bored
Wouldn't most of these souls have died before some of these monsters were even born?
Asgore killed all of the fallen humans, it’s part of why he has such immense guilt. He personally executed 6 children.
I headcannon undertale yellow as the prequel to undertale
Papyrus doesn't know what a human looks like prior to seeing Frisk, why would he kill one?
The last Humen Fell before Alphys Was even born so I doubt anyone exept the Dreemurs that we Fight has ever even see a Human Before.
Asgore is probably literally the only one of these few who have encountered a human
How do you die in waterfall and have your items skedaddle into hotland? /genq
I think integrity died to a random waterfall monster and perseverance died to undyne. I think bravery died to sans before he made a promise not to kill any humans. Justice probably died to a monster that was there before mad dummy.
I’m unsure mtt was a thing that long ago
True
papyrus has never seen a human before, remember?
Yes I know I game up with it for randomly
All fallen children died to Asgore. Undyne has never even seen a human before. Mettaton never had a human soul.
We actually have a canon for how the yellow soul died. According to undertale yellow "clover" died by giving up their soul for "justice" to ceroba. (Apparently confirmed)
Toby never said it was canon.
UTY isn’t canon. Unless Toby Fox says it is it never will be. I love UTY yellow too, but it’s still just a fangame.
Didn't toby fox confirm that it was canon?
No he didn’t. What you heard was false information.
not Canon, its just the most popular headcanon