Wrong. Bollettino be like: 20 euro, marca da bollo: 156 euro.
You need to go to the other offices now that are placed right 89km away from this one so you can edit that, and compile the module called 89bis-pro-a-supercazzola-prematura-2 1986. Usually the estimated times for the edit are going to be around your death.
I've read some of the answers. Take them with a grain of salt. This does seem like a very strange occurrence and you've probably just been exceptionally unlucky.
You see, italians like to rant, some is understable, most is not. Enjoy your experience in Italy and don't worry about lost years, there is no lost years.
RUN.
no but seriously, from a citizen, Italy has been one hell of a place in the last 20 years.
Its economy is literally sunk on the bottom of the ocean and its bureaucracy and everything else along with it.
People say that with this government (they repeat the same phrase every new governor is up) stuff will change and we blindly get along with it, but in fact nothing ever changes and people from this government will pass it onto the next and the next onto the next.
Maybe it was created as an economical term but I believe the logic can be used interchangeably with anything that "costs" something, be it time, effort or money.
You can't and won't.
Italy is full of contradictions.
But the main "beauties" are either the big monumental stuff or the most ancient (in good terms) universities.
If you manage to get into those, which if you do it's a great achievement, and it seems you did, they can take you to places of nice things. Don't let go. STUDY FIRST, THEN YOU'LL SEE THATS GOOD THAT YOU DID IT AND THEN GET THE HELL OUTTA HERE.
It really is, especially for someone who was born and raised here, seeing a place that gives 0 fucks about them, the youth, the future, it's absolute depression.
I hope you get your stuff set up properly asap, and good luck with studying here in Italy, the school system is pretty outdated as well.
Hello, I am non-eu student in University of Milan. I also applied for sapienza university in rome in my first year. Waited and wasted whole year. Sapienza is craaaazy slow and every stuff doesnt now anything about their job. But dont give up, it is only sapienza. In my second year I applied to university of milan got in. Now i am happiest ever italy is all worth it. During winter I go to the north to mountains to snowboard, during summer I go to seaside and swim all day. I dont pay tuition fee it is free for me and on top of that I even receive dsu scholarship. Dont give up
trust me bro I was born and raised in italy from moroccan parents, please do it for your own good and go to another EU country, italy is fucked up for today’s youth. We are the only EU country whose salaries have gone down WITH inflation and the bureocracy is crazy. But if you come from a third world country it’s a great starting point for your new life. Just don’t mind the racism (they even hate themselves).
If you’re looking for a job or wants to get some money, and then find a house in some city (aka non rural 100-habitants countryside place) and then drive or take the bus to go to the job and then be happy, NO.
Woah woah chill, 60 million other people in Italy deal with this every day.
No but jokes aside, it's nothing out of the ordinary. Here's a pearl that happened to me:
Back in the day when I was 17 my town had the great idea of updating the names of roads. My road got a new name but for some reason on the national registry my old address was still listed. I needed to apply for government-provided housing as a form of scholarship to be able to attend university in a city different from where I am from. I went to a local office (20km away) to get my address updated so that eventually documents would be sent to the right place and they said that they would send a request to the provincial office and they'll do it. Wait a week, nothing happens, I go back another time, same thing, wait another week, nothing happens. Rinse and repeat 5 times in total. One day, as the deadline for my application was approaching, we get tired and decide to go straight to the province (50km away). We get told "when the registry guy comes we'll do it", at which my mom goes "sure, we'll just stay here (in front of the public worker that was there) until the guy comes". Magically, the guy was there less than a minute later. I logged in to check that it was actually showing the correct address and only then we walked away. 2 months to get an address updated.
I have more similar stories but they're just very long to write. Needless to say I emigrated as soon as I was done with studies.
I got a couple of short ones that I hope will make you feel better:
1) Very recently, I moved from an apartment to another. I sent a request to the Italian embassy to say that my address changed and they... denied it. Italian institutions are ducking ridiculous.
2) when I moved abroad I let the government know and they put me in the "registry of Italians that reside abroad" (we have to do it so that the government won't come after us for taxes). All good here, except that the government didn't communicate with any other institution. When I applied here to be part of the healthcare system of another country I was denied because the italian one still thought I was under them (and in Europe you can be in only one at a time). I tried to call my local healthcare center in Italy but the phone number listed was incorrect and I kept being redirected to the wrong phone number. I couldn't manage to a point that I had to call my dad and ask him to drive to the healthcare center and get the document I needed for me. This is to say that even us Italians living abroad, are completely lost when it comes to dealing with Italian institutions
Honestly I just want to leave and study abroad because of my family, they are so strict and controlling, that’s why I worked my ass off for a year to afford going abroad but these Italians take 400 years to even give me a reply
I can imagine your frustration, it's a tough situation and our institutions don't make it any easier. I had similar reasons for wanting to move to another city to study back in the day and the thought of not being able to because of a mismatch of addresses caused by the incompetence of people in my town hall was extremely frustrating.
You are doing a great job, don't let this beat you down, it will eventually work out even if it's slow and you have to fight for the smallest things🙌
I am Italian but I navigated a bit the visas that you can get in Italy after studying here, if you ever need assistance afterwards I can give you some tips (forget about university providing any form of counseling)
Don't worry, it's all fine 🥺 you're going to make it ✨
In the meantime, don't let this get to you and don't get in your head too much or you'll go crazy 🙌
I am trying to get assistance for my handicapped mum. You can only imagine. Still appreciate the fact my son will be able to choose the university he wants without us having to be billionaires.
It's a fairly complicated process given you also had to deal with the embassy.
Word of advice, you shouldn't apply only three months prior the start of a semester, that counts for any university.
I had to retake tolc twice and their deadline was mid April for submitting documents (which I did) and June 30 for universitaly. People have circumstances in which they aren’t as lucky to apply like 5 months before, but I did get the deadline and I submitted everything and got my admission, the problem was that they would reply to my email like 3 weeks later and was so slow to send my admission email that I should show to the embassy. I know so many people who are still even waiting for an APPOINTMENT for visa because the embassy won’t give it. So I know it’s not my fault, because people who applied earlier than me are still waiting. Ps uni started in October for my major, not September
do they have a phone number? i think email is the slowest method to reach out
in case I would also contact your master course coordinator for problem like these ones🤔
hope you are able to solve the situation, this country is still not suited for foreigners
IF you do eventually get here you get to do the same f’ing dance with the Questura, Poste, and your immigration process for the Permesso di Soggiorno…you’ll feel like an illegal immigrant for ~8 months until you finally get your card only to find it expires after 1 year, which is 4 months away because it took 8 months to get the card from the time you applied…and now you have to apply for renewal 🙃
I didn't even get my 2023 Permesso. "Maybe it got lost." Been trying for weeks to fix it with no success, and now I'm leaving in February, but I need an active Residence permit for when I come back later in the year for graduation. It's really mind-numbing.
I sincerely wish you the best of luck! What worked for us was just showing up at the Questura without appointment and asking questions…it sucks, but the ‘text message’ that you’re supposed to receive when it’s ready almost never comes…sometimes you just have to force the issue and bring someone who speaks Italian fluently with you if you can.
It took me 2 years! I was already living here since Agenzia Entrante doesn't care what you immigration status is and I am self-employed. In the end, a nice lady from the local CAF helped it through the system. It took her about a year and countless visits to Prefeturra, Questura, and even Lavoro.
My husband left Italy because of something similar, he is Italian. My husband always says to this day Italy is the country of **NO!** My husband got his BA in Music Technology, he wanted to go into music informatics in Milan only to be told NO, because his degree was not in music informatics. (In his Bachelors he took several courses in Music informatics). Then he went to the department musicology at Padua, only to be told NO, because he doesn't come from musicology! he then travelled to Rome only to be NO . One year of No No No. While in the UK, they were like "yes, we accept your credits". ... this was back in 2014, now people are more aware and accept degrees from conservatory. my husband said there is no law prohibiting someone from conservatory pursuing a magistrale at a university even in 2014. if you wanna live in Italy, get used to hearing NO!
In most of the world, NO means NO.
In Italy it mostly means "maybe yes, maybe no, the laws, rules and regulations are old and incomprehensible and somewhat flexible and bendable and open to arbitrary interpretation, but I'm not paid enough to take responsibility for that so, NO"
You can start studying by yourself so you wouldn't waste any time. For most courses, attendance is not mandatory, many students just study by themselves and only go for the exams. In that case, being enrolled is just a detail. You can take your exams normally soon after the enrollment is finished (look at the exam calendar).
In case you happen to be in Italy, you could still try to attend lessons.
In case you're not, look at the program, the recommended books, and start studying for the exams with those books (don't just get any books, exams can be very specific). Send the professors an email talking about your problem, with proof you have already applied, they might send you the material. They might also have their video lessons on youtube or something.
In Italy, you need a lot of individual studies, so you'll have to do that anyway.
You have to study the whole program for each single exam (Italians study from 1 to 3 months for one exam). You must know that Italian teaching can be very traditional and rigid, heavily based on theory and memorization.
👉Also very important: "triennale" is a trap, most Italians need 4-5 years to be able to finish the 3 year program, foreigners on average need more time (look for statistics of your specific course). Feeling like a bum (the so called "fuori corsi", you'll hear that a lot) is the normal thing for most students in Italy.😬😂 If you want to finish the program in time, you'd better study really hard, starting right now!
I feel you, I have a lot of international classmates in my university and they tell me about this all the time. It's frustrating, something way worse than what we Italians are used to deal with when talking about bureaucracy.
Funny to notice how the people in the comments try to justify all of this by saying you were late for your admission, or that "it's normal".
This shows how a lot of people really don't care about international students or workers coming here, they are seen as a burden and nothing else.
hey i'm an italian and studying at sapienza! Your are speaking truth! I helped a chinese friend with his application to Sapienza and they took so long to answer him (even though he sent all the papers). In fact, he lost an entire semester! It is so sad but that's the state of the country! People don't give a shit about that and I think italians are now used to that crap!
I don't know you and what are your goal but I think most of the programs at Sapienza are mediocre and a lot of shits happen! Maybe it's a good chance to leave Italy and get into some better uni!
Good Luck
He eventually enrolled late! Because he was not formally enrolled he lost exams dates so he started behind the "schedule"!
I tried to help him a lot with his application! I went talking to offices at Sapienza but most of the people working there either don't know what to do or can't do anything! I noticed that a lot of the people working at offices at Sapienza are students that are collaborating (they get some money) with the uni so it's not uncommon to find people who don't know how to do the job!
Also my chinese friend was kinda lucky because he told me that a few of his chinese colleagues went back to China! Sad!
I remember once at the Washington D.C. Italian embassy I went to pick up my Visa. The guy (an Italian) at the counter said to us all waiting for our number " I dont know why you guys wanna go to Italy". ...years later I totally understand.
If you have George Clooney $, Italy is heaven. If do things like go to uni, work, you understand why so many Italians leave every year.
The main, biggest problem here is practically everything about the working environment. Especially if you are young, with an university education, you wouldn't have anything here if not exploitation or a low salary. Basically, we have a government that pretends that we have more kids but actually giving no help for families. They don't invest in schools, they don't increase salaries, they don't give any help for the single mothers, fathers, or families in general and then they pretend that we have kids because this ass country is old as fuck.
Everything, from salary to work conditions, a lot of racism and homophobia/transphobia, burocracy slow as hell, making friends/having a relationship is not easy unless you speak italian and you are a really really really extroverted person (a lot of italian introverted ppl never had a relationship or a friend group), transportation is increadibly bad (especially trains), no gay marriage, no adoption unless you are married for like 3 years (and adopting in italy is so difficult that basically every couple wanting to adopt just spend thousands to adopt a kid from another country), a lot of young people are moving bc their opinions are not listened to, the new government constantly remind women that our "duty" is to make kids, and don't even let me get started on sexual violence and how the law is shit, from victim blaming to not giving proper punishment to thieves and sexual offenders, if you don't have a degree finding a decent job is almost impossible but even if you have one is not easy at all, italy is a country based on recommendation + you NEED to know italian, you can't live in italy without knowing italian well and italian is kinda difficult. If you are not white or you come from east european countries you will experience racism. School is an old ass system with old teacher and based on tons of theories and almost zero pratic (i would need to much lines to explain the school system). This are some of the problems nowadays
why come here in the first place then? i can guarantee you life here is pretty far from what you see in movies or experience as a tourist and most taltented young italians are trying to leave the country
maybe foreigners are not aware of the real italy but europeans are also not aware of how shitty the outside of eu is, italy is still much better than our home countries
I still don't get why italy when you have many european countries to chose from, many of which are both cheaper and offer better education while also being true first world countries
Because they dont provide scholarships as italy does. dsu scholarship is the best scholarship in europe covering school accommodation and allowence. except italy only hungary has that kind of scholarship and as a person who lived in hungary i think everyone can understand the difference between hungary and italy easily😍 plus, even i have the money for uni tution, our economy and currency are shitty af, we cant even live with our salaries here in turkey, and we cant even imagine to multiply every expense with 32 (1 euro is 32 liras rn, increases everyday)
besides economic situations, i still have a interest about italy, when i was living in hungary italians were my best friends, definetely because we are both mediterranean people which automatically makes people warm and welcoming. i dont want to live in -15 degrees freezing my ass seeing no sun half of the year very rude cold people kind of country so italy is the best option economically and mentally for me
Italian universities actually have EXTREMELY late application deadlines compared to some European/American countries. April really isn't that early, especially for a non-EU student who needs a visa to come here
Obviously if your request has not been accepted, yes. I know Italian people who took 3 months to sign up, think of a foreigner who has to sort out extra things.
That was the deadline for international students, other students deadline was JULY so that doesn’t matter, plus I applied to pre selection which is as early as it can be 🙄🙄 and the deadline exists for a reason, it means apply before not WAYYYY before :/ applying early doesn’t give advantages
Don't want to make it worse for you. But if you get the green light to come here, be prepared for the housing situation (in case u don't have any). And it will be even worse than the whole process of getting the visa.
That's a whole other issue no one warns you about, not even the university (if you're going to study) a lot of students in Padova were on the streets for many many months.
As a Sapienza student myself I’m sorry to hear this, the only thing I can suggest (since I needed to do this myself) is sending reminders after a few days (even multiple ones when they don’t respond) and if you still want to apply to Sapienza go follow lectures anyway (you can still follow classes, the only thing you can’t do is take exams but if you talk about your problem with the professors a few of them will gladly make you take the exam and register your grade next year, hopefully sooner)
Welcome to Italy's bureaucracy.
Everything takes forever just to find out that they messed up and somehow it's your fault, therefore you need to start from point 0.
(I missed a scholarship because of this)
Bro, if your vise got rejected, you can apply for an appeal, and they will give it to you later on. My visa process after the appointment took 2 months and 12 days , but it worked. Don't give up on your dream! Sapienza is a really good university, and it is worth the wait!
Wow I am sorry to hear. I am also planning to apply to Sapienza for a master degree starting in the 2024/2025 academic year.
I only wrote them an email once and that was around September and they replied back in less than 30 minutes. I was positively shocked to say the least. Maybe I was just lucky.
The application process is honestly too time consuming and has lots of steps. I am also applying to other unis in other countries and their processes are way simpler.
After reading about your experience I am not sure if I would like to apply at all. Sounds too stressful.
You just got a taste of an Italians daily life,welcome to the struggle!
Don’t worry, it doesn’t get better! If anything, you’ll find our bureaucracy is even worse that you experienced!
Welcome to Italy, this is why so many people leave this shitty and messy country. Honestly, you wouldn't have even a future here. I was a Sapienza student last year but I left it for 'Romatre', another university in Rome that is honestly much better. I had really good experiences with Romatre, people know what to do and you aren't left alone. The quality of teaching is really good, in my opinion even better of Sapienza.
Your university has no part to play here. It's all up to the diplomatic mission in your country. Visas suck, and it seems like Italian bureaucracy is an entirely different animal to what anyone is used to.
After reading the entire thread, I realized how good my own experience was. Got acceptance in February, moved to Milan in September, received the Permesso in early November, and had no problems with the university/scholarship/embassy.
Sure, some things are pretty annoying, like not being able to open a bank account before having the Permesso (which also means no scholarship before that), difficulty finding housing, but at the end it was worth it. Also, start learning Italian asap as most don't speak English at all.
Good luck!!
Sapienza university is not only going to give you knowledge in your field, they are also going to give you the tools to survive in an environment where nobody gives a fuck about you.
Italy is... not a first world country.
As an example; we have hundreds of workplace related deaths per year. A figure unimaginable in a first world country. Collapsing bridges, negligent train crashes, cable car disasters, we have it all. No one is ever punished. They just aren't.
My mum works in a school, and has to commute over 120 miles there and over 120 miles back each day, as no school within that distance is hiring. Well I say she works: since September she's been volunteering. Involuntarily.
The school hasn't paid her a cent since September. She is not alone. This is not a private school either (when they don't pay it isn't even news). It's a state school.
Calma, calma! I don’t know where you are from, but here the ‘semester’ doesn’t mean anything. If you took this time to read the syllabus online and study, you can easily take all the first year exams once you come. Check a bit more the structure of your course and live your life as it’s supposed to be lived, doing your best and not freaking out.
I couldn't visit my dying grampa in time because in Italy the questura needed 6 month to give me an appointment for the passport (my grampa was outside of Europe)
italy is bothersome yes, but compared to most of the rest of the world, its still one of the best countries to live/study in. idk which country youre from but dont listen to the italians that say “cut your losses and dont come here”, they’re spoiled white people that dont care about anything bc they have the comfort of having a first world passport.
You have been lucky. You were proven Italy is a place to avoid before getting started. Move on and choose a Country that has made it in the 21st century now. There are dozens of them.
For all of us this is just our everyday lives wasting a ton of time without expecting nothing in return even in the brightest scenario.
welcome home, but you have pizza and lots of polpette
I lived the same issues in this year. I graduated 2022 and 1 year with internship and applying to masters. I applied to Polimi and after registration, I apply to visa in july and 1 time my application was rejected. I applied again and at the end, 23th of November I came to Italy. But the programme was started in September. So now I am trying to pass my lesson with final exams... All the problem is just political issues between countries.Because of this, visa process turns to a cancer...
That's the one of the reasons I changed my mind about Sapienza. I was planning to apply to ACSAI but now I have differenet goals... many of my friends got their acceptance letter and its just stressing me out to dont know what will happen next year and I have no year to wait. If I cant get an application this year, I am probably going to study my home country and I dont want that.
This is just Italy being Italy.
But honestly, it's just bureaucracy being bureaucracy. I moved to Italy in 2012; it took the UK government months to give us the documents we requested to send them to Italy to get our residency.
Getting citizenship here took 5/6 years and was meant to take 2-4.
However, my uncle had to spend 12 years travelling back and forth from the UK to the US because the US would lose his info, and every six months, he'd have to pay for a visa. Every other time, it'd be declined for no reason, he'd reapply, and it would be accepted, having changed nothing about it.
UK passport photos must follow the *exact* rules, or you'll need to resubmit.
A friend of mine moved to East and then to Southeast Asia to teach English in multiple countries; he's had to /bribe/ various times, often in the same place numerous times, to get his visas and other documentation, even to get his passport back.
One good thing about Italy is that if your papers are mostly in order, you will get them sooner or later; it will just take time, and from my experience, usually, things aren't too expensive (other than getting a passport for the first time?!)!
One suggestion for everyone, anywhere in the world, with anything bureaucratic, is to do it as early as possible.
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Having said all of that, I loved uni at the Sapienza. Everyone is super friendly, and many of the professors are happy to help (most students having made friends with one or more in later years of their degrees), loads of good, cheap food near by, and places to drink if that's your thing. The historical centre is only 20 minutes walk away (maybe 30, depends how quickly you walk!) or a couple of stops on the metro.
When you finally get to start, enjoy it!
As an Italian I can't be offended because you're just stating a fact, but a few years back I applied for a working holiday visa in Australia, I'll spare the details but I was in the perfect situation to facilitate the speed of the process and it still took them a year ..... I think everywhere is kind of the same.... but hopefully you'll manage without wasting too much time, good luck
>This has honestly made me so depressed and I feel like a rotten tomato having wasted a year doing nothing but waiting.
Bro I've been living in Italy since I was born and I've felt this way for 25 years
My experience has been that universities in Italy have very outdated programs and silly teachers that want you to buy their books and learn it all by memory like a poetry without understanding anything… the end result is that passing exams is actually hard especially for those who like to understand things… so the end result is just frustration and extra years for graduation…
After a semester I changed university and started abroad and I was graduating 3 years before my former colleagues and having multiple work experiences and earning good money before they even graduated… remember that the goal is earning good money not a never ending student life😉
I go to a university in Italy (master's degree), but based on personal experience and those that I've heard from peers, I don't recommend coming here to study, especially for a business related program. It's only your surroundings that are pleasant — but the quality of education is not too good. I don't really feel as equipped and enriched through university.
Maybe try the Netherlands, Germany, France, or Denmark.
Are we seriously talking about an extremely unusual occurrence like it is something normal without asking for some more details?
I understand OP's privacy, but thousands of people enroll in Italian universities every year, Sapienza included.
No asking "ehi op, sorry to hear this, but can you be a bit more specific, even so other people do not have to deal with this?" ?
Something happened, obviously, but there are a million things that can happen with a student VISA and we have no idea against who we should point the finger to.
The embassy in OP's country? Sapienza's secretary? And not to be an ass but maybe OP has filled in something wrong or doesn't actually meet all the criteria?
why on earth would you want to study in italy (and Sapienza, of all universities) in the first place…? i would understand only if you’re from some third world country like albania or romania (or if you went for a private school or a top uni like politecnico di Milano)
Just to add some misery to the already shitty situation for foreign students: if you are from outside EU you will need to pay 700€/yr for the health insurance from this year :D
Here you are: https://dottorato.it/content/aumento-dei-costi-di-accesso-al-sistema-sanitario-nazionale-chi-viene-dallestero
English translation at the end of the page.
RUN.
Seriously, even when you get here, it's not the fairytale place everyone thinks it to be. Bureaucracy is shit, people are miserable and angry and racist and cliquey, it's unsafe if you're a girl cause you're harassed constantly. I grew up here and every time I come back and romanticise it after a while I always end up regretting it and now I am stuck here for a while and can't wait to leave again!
At least the food is bangin though ;)
I'm sorry that you had to go through all this. One of my friends who applied for a course in Bologna was required to take an on-site exam for admission. She flew from her home country to Italy on a tourist visa and then flew back. Basically she spent 2000+ euros and a lot of time just to be able to participate in the admission exam. The admission results were released just a few days before the semester started, leaving her almost no time to apply for a student visa. Due to this kind of bureaucratic shit, she missed the first semester. My suggestion to you is not to put all your eggs in one basket and to apply to different universities in various countries
My dear friend, this is a golden opportunity, you've seen what Italy has to offer, as a uni student and italian citizen im warning you, DO NOT COME HERE!!!
After living briefly in Italy I now Totally understand why Italians smoke and why they are incazzati...Italians are always ready to fight because it's a stressful country to live in.
Welcome to Italy! The place where tragedy becomes farce, where politicians suck and services are non-existent! Benvenuto, e scappa il prima possibile 💗
Nah man don t listen to italians hating italy, this place isn t actually that bad. Yes there s a little bit of racism, a little bit of sexism, a little bit of fascism and marxism. There s everything here just in little doses!
It s not as bad if you just learn to not care at all and go to a Caf for burocracy (burocracy is the real pain, as you noticed.)
Italians like to think our ship is sinking depending on who s on the government.
But we ve been worse in the last 20 years, come on...
People who say "the ship is sinking" now are the ones already drowned in left propaganda. (Far right is on gov)
Just come here with low aspectatives, you ll be rewarded.
Also uni doesn t cost so much here and it has good standards. (Everyone want italian scientists!)
Sure it’s a third world, but it’s a beautiful place and people are very helpful. Just because someone is from somewhere doesn’t mean they aren’t allowed to complain about another place
ps I’m not Turkish
1 thing:
turkish brings no advantage.
we live in a competitive world for everyone and everything.
either you are in or out.
no advantage in knowing turkish, unless your career is being an imam in a mosque.
quantum physics, electric cars, space travel, miracle cure, artificial intelligence: that is no turkey.
Bring a gift to whoever manages your folder like chocolates or wine or other food delicacy..they need to remember you.
This is how it works in Italy. It worked for me...
Goodluck
Call the university, do not wait for the email answers. Call them, explain your situation, ask for explanations, receive some reassurance and then call them again the day after. This is how I received the document for my master's degree after various delays and I'm Italian, I can't even imagine how terrible our bureaucracy can be for foreigners
it's normal in italy. people should start to understand that italy (my country) is the worst country in western europe and it's good only for holidays. don't come here to live/study/work.
OP living the Italian experience in its fullness
can I experience it in Italy instead
Just a warm up 😂
Italian burocracy doesn't like that
Did you have the necessary module to utter such statement? It's the module b469-57 of ASL-18 to pass to the AE with marca da bollo da 1€
Wrong. Bollettino be like: 20 euro, marca da bollo: 156 euro. You need to go to the other offices now that are placed right 89km away from this one so you can edit that, and compile the module called 89bis-pro-a-supercazzola-prematura-2 1986. Usually the estimated times for the edit are going to be around your death.
But you can always ask for a Lasciapassare A39, as established by the new Circolare B65
>89bis-pro-a-supercazzola-prematura-2 Poesia! Nemmeno col traduttore renderebbe, ed è ancora più efficace lol
I've read some of the answers. Take them with a grain of salt. This does seem like a very strange occurrence and you've probably just been exceptionally unlucky. You see, italians like to rant, some is understable, most is not. Enjoy your experience in Italy and don't worry about lost years, there is no lost years.
Everything about docs and bureaucracy is slow in Italy.
Everything is slow in Italy. In fact, we are last in every. Single. Thing.
https://preview.redd.it/qyedc18qg1ac1.png?width=825&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac703472c17ab5da0c676758d366ec1f66e7f154 Welcome to Italy.
Help 😭😭😭😭 that skeleton is me rn
It's everyone of us. We Italians just got used to it.
Or we left ✈️
Pls I don’t wanna get used to this 😭😭
RUN. no but seriously, from a citizen, Italy has been one hell of a place in the last 20 years. Its economy is literally sunk on the bottom of the ocean and its bureaucracy and everything else along with it. People say that with this government (they repeat the same phrase every new governor is up) stuff will change and we blindly get along with it, but in fact nothing ever changes and people from this government will pass it onto the next and the next onto the next.
But I’ve invested so much time and effort into this, I just can’t let go :(
Cut your losses. Search “sunk cost fallacy”
sunk cost fallacy applies strictly only in economy tho.
Maybe it was created as an economical term but I believe the logic can be used interchangeably with anything that "costs" something, be it time, effort or money.
sunk cost fallacy FTFY
You can't and won't. Italy is full of contradictions. But the main "beauties" are either the big monumental stuff or the most ancient (in good terms) universities. If you manage to get into those, which if you do it's a great achievement, and it seems you did, they can take you to places of nice things. Don't let go. STUDY FIRST, THEN YOU'LL SEE THATS GOOD THAT YOU DID IT AND THEN GET THE HELL OUTTA HERE.
Then dont come!
you are old you should consider pension now
Bro I'm 21
Are you stupid?
Not cool
Throw your passport away and speak some fake Arabic.
Are you so pressed about people showing you the reality of the facts you're blindly choosing to ignore ?
ليس لدي أي فكرة عما تريد مني
نفس الشيء هنا يا أخي
Sorry but the nomen is grammatically on the wrong place. (Native speaker here)
You just discovered why Italy is bleeding young people so badly. We just can't keep up mentally with the bureocracy and straight up leave.
That’s really upsetting
Let's try to think positive. Once this will be over, I'm sure you will love the Uni life here in Italy, especial the social part of it!
Thank you 🥺
It really is, especially for someone who was born and raised here, seeing a place that gives 0 fucks about them, the youth, the future, it's absolute depression. I hope you get your stuff set up properly asap, and good luck with studying here in Italy, the school system is pretty outdated as well.
Swinging hard to the right politically doesn't help either
Hello, I am non-eu student in University of Milan. I also applied for sapienza university in rome in my first year. Waited and wasted whole year. Sapienza is craaaazy slow and every stuff doesnt now anything about their job. But dont give up, it is only sapienza. In my second year I applied to university of milan got in. Now i am happiest ever italy is all worth it. During winter I go to the north to mountains to snowboard, during summer I go to seaside and swim all day. I dont pay tuition fee it is free for me and on top of that I even receive dsu scholarship. Dont give up
Do you recommend immigrating to Italy? How is life there?
trust me bro I was born and raised in italy from moroccan parents, please do it for your own good and go to another EU country, italy is fucked up for today’s youth. We are the only EU country whose salaries have gone down WITH inflation and the bureocracy is crazy. But if you come from a third world country it’s a great starting point for your new life. Just don’t mind the racism (they even hate themselves).
If you’re looking for a job or wants to get some money, and then find a house in some city (aka non rural 100-habitants countryside place) and then drive or take the bus to go to the job and then be happy, NO.
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Yes, but the rental prices are too high unless you live far enough away from the city center.
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Woah woah chill, 60 million other people in Italy deal with this every day. No but jokes aside, it's nothing out of the ordinary. Here's a pearl that happened to me: Back in the day when I was 17 my town had the great idea of updating the names of roads. My road got a new name but for some reason on the national registry my old address was still listed. I needed to apply for government-provided housing as a form of scholarship to be able to attend university in a city different from where I am from. I went to a local office (20km away) to get my address updated so that eventually documents would be sent to the right place and they said that they would send a request to the provincial office and they'll do it. Wait a week, nothing happens, I go back another time, same thing, wait another week, nothing happens. Rinse and repeat 5 times in total. One day, as the deadline for my application was approaching, we get tired and decide to go straight to the province (50km away). We get told "when the registry guy comes we'll do it", at which my mom goes "sure, we'll just stay here (in front of the public worker that was there) until the guy comes". Magically, the guy was there less than a minute later. I logged in to check that it was actually showing the correct address and only then we walked away. 2 months to get an address updated. I have more similar stories but they're just very long to write. Needless to say I emigrated as soon as I was done with studies.
I got a couple of short ones that I hope will make you feel better: 1) Very recently, I moved from an apartment to another. I sent a request to the Italian embassy to say that my address changed and they... denied it. Italian institutions are ducking ridiculous. 2) when I moved abroad I let the government know and they put me in the "registry of Italians that reside abroad" (we have to do it so that the government won't come after us for taxes). All good here, except that the government didn't communicate with any other institution. When I applied here to be part of the healthcare system of another country I was denied because the italian one still thought I was under them (and in Europe you can be in only one at a time). I tried to call my local healthcare center in Italy but the phone number listed was incorrect and I kept being redirected to the wrong phone number. I couldn't manage to a point that I had to call my dad and ask him to drive to the healthcare center and get the document I needed for me. This is to say that even us Italians living abroad, are completely lost when it comes to dealing with Italian institutions
Oh wow I’m so sorry, that sounds stressful as hell. You’re welcome to join me in my anti depressants journey 🥰
If you can offer me one we can have an antidepressant toast 🥂🫠
Il top sono i fogli dell AIRE per i cambio indirizzo in cui non c’è spazio sul foglio per indicare.. il tuo nuovo indirizzo.
Honestly I just want to leave and study abroad because of my family, they are so strict and controlling, that’s why I worked my ass off for a year to afford going abroad but these Italians take 400 years to even give me a reply
I can imagine your frustration, it's a tough situation and our institutions don't make it any easier. I had similar reasons for wanting to move to another city to study back in the day and the thought of not being able to because of a mismatch of addresses caused by the incompetence of people in my town hall was extremely frustrating. You are doing a great job, don't let this beat you down, it will eventually work out even if it's slow and you have to fight for the smallest things🙌 I am Italian but I navigated a bit the visas that you can get in Italy after studying here, if you ever need assistance afterwards I can give you some tips (forget about university providing any form of counseling)
Thank you so much, sorry if I came off rude I’m just really upset at this process and I’m just stuck home doing nothing but waiting 🥺
Don't worry, it's all fine 🥺 you're going to make it ✨ In the meantime, don't let this get to you and don't get in your head too much or you'll go crazy 🙌
I'm seeing comments blaming you, I just don't get it 🫠
They’re just offended which is fine I don’t really care, they can’t see the fault in their own system
Yeah, it's very sad 🥲
In Italy sadly universities are a weird environment where they do almost everything they can to delay you getting a degree
I just wanna graduate 😭😭😭 I feel so useless
Just pick a better country with a better welfare and support for foreign students. Sadly, Italy is not suited for foreign people :(
Why? 💔🥲 i am going to immigrate there Can you tell me what are the advantages and disadvantages of living in Italy?
I wish I knew this before
I wish you good luck with everything! And I hope you will succed in your evasion plan to break free. 
I am trying to get assistance for my handicapped mum. You can only imagine. Still appreciate the fact my son will be able to choose the university he wants without us having to be billionaires.
Yeah sadly Italy is like that OP. U need litteraly to threat people sometimes if u want that something that is in your right to be fulfilled
It's a fairly complicated process given you also had to deal with the embassy. Word of advice, you shouldn't apply only three months prior the start of a semester, that counts for any university.
I had to retake tolc twice and their deadline was mid April for submitting documents (which I did) and June 30 for universitaly. People have circumstances in which they aren’t as lucky to apply like 5 months before, but I did get the deadline and I submitted everything and got my admission, the problem was that they would reply to my email like 3 weeks later and was so slow to send my admission email that I should show to the embassy. I know so many people who are still even waiting for an APPOINTMENT for visa because the embassy won’t give it. So I know it’s not my fault, because people who applied earlier than me are still waiting. Ps uni started in October for my major, not September
do they have a phone number? i think email is the slowest method to reach out in case I would also contact your master course coordinator for problem like these ones🤔 hope you are able to solve the situation, this country is still not suited for foreigners
IF you do eventually get here you get to do the same f’ing dance with the Questura, Poste, and your immigration process for the Permesso di Soggiorno…you’ll feel like an illegal immigrant for ~8 months until you finally get your card only to find it expires after 1 year, which is 4 months away because it took 8 months to get the card from the time you applied…and now you have to apply for renewal 🙃
I should increase my antidepressants 💀
I didn't even get my 2023 Permesso. "Maybe it got lost." Been trying for weeks to fix it with no success, and now I'm leaving in February, but I need an active Residence permit for when I come back later in the year for graduation. It's really mind-numbing.
I sincerely wish you the best of luck! What worked for us was just showing up at the Questura without appointment and asking questions…it sucks, but the ‘text message’ that you’re supposed to receive when it’s ready almost never comes…sometimes you just have to force the issue and bring someone who speaks Italian fluently with you if you can.
This is true 😭 same experience
> 8 months to get the card from the time you applied That would be a dream ... it took me 2 YEARS! (and, yes, it expires in 4 months!)
The slow bureaucracy is part of the culture here in Italy ☠️
Absolutely feel your frustration. I've been waiting for my permesso di soggiorno since November 2019 💀 Still not there 💀💀💀
Contact a lawyer. It's not normal at all.
È che cazz
It took me 2 years! I was already living here since Agenzia Entrante doesn't care what you immigration status is and I am self-employed. In the end, a nice lady from the local CAF helped it through the system. It took her about a year and countless visits to Prefeturra, Questura, and even Lavoro.
Ah, I'm self-employed too! Maybe I should try CAF too. Thanks for the advice! I am sincerely happy that you were able to finally get your permesso
Oh my god…
Why do you want to migrate to Italy???? Do you want to waste your lifetime? You can choose another country, do you know?
the bureaucracy in Italy is terrible....i think the worst of Europe
My husband left Italy because of something similar, he is Italian. My husband always says to this day Italy is the country of **NO!** My husband got his BA in Music Technology, he wanted to go into music informatics in Milan only to be told NO, because his degree was not in music informatics. (In his Bachelors he took several courses in Music informatics). Then he went to the department musicology at Padua, only to be told NO, because he doesn't come from musicology! he then travelled to Rome only to be NO . One year of No No No. While in the UK, they were like "yes, we accept your credits". ... this was back in 2014, now people are more aware and accept degrees from conservatory. my husband said there is no law prohibiting someone from conservatory pursuing a magistrale at a university even in 2014. if you wanna live in Italy, get used to hearing NO!
In most of the world, NO means NO. In Italy it mostly means "maybe yes, maybe no, the laws, rules and regulations are old and incomprehensible and somewhat flexible and bendable and open to arbitrary interpretation, but I'm not paid enough to take responsibility for that so, NO"
You can start studying by yourself so you wouldn't waste any time. For most courses, attendance is not mandatory, many students just study by themselves and only go for the exams. In that case, being enrolled is just a detail. You can take your exams normally soon after the enrollment is finished (look at the exam calendar). In case you happen to be in Italy, you could still try to attend lessons. In case you're not, look at the program, the recommended books, and start studying for the exams with those books (don't just get any books, exams can be very specific). Send the professors an email talking about your problem, with proof you have already applied, they might send you the material. They might also have their video lessons on youtube or something. In Italy, you need a lot of individual studies, so you'll have to do that anyway. You have to study the whole program for each single exam (Italians study from 1 to 3 months for one exam). You must know that Italian teaching can be very traditional and rigid, heavily based on theory and memorization. 👉Also very important: "triennale" is a trap, most Italians need 4-5 years to be able to finish the 3 year program, foreigners on average need more time (look for statistics of your specific course). Feeling like a bum (the so called "fuori corsi", you'll hear that a lot) is the normal thing for most students in Italy.😬😂 If you want to finish the program in time, you'd better study really hard, starting right now!
I feel you, I have a lot of international classmates in my university and they tell me about this all the time. It's frustrating, something way worse than what we Italians are used to deal with when talking about bureaucracy. Funny to notice how the people in the comments try to justify all of this by saying you were late for your admission, or that "it's normal". This shows how a lot of people really don't care about international students or workers coming here, they are seen as a burden and nothing else.
Yeah😔
Lol welcome to Sapienza. I sent them an email in June and they answered in October. After 4 years there I finally changed university haha.
Welcome to Italy! 60 million people deal with the bullshit bureaucracy everyday, so best of luck i guess.
hey i'm an italian and studying at sapienza! Your are speaking truth! I helped a chinese friend with his application to Sapienza and they took so long to answer him (even though he sent all the papers). In fact, he lost an entire semester! It is so sad but that's the state of the country! People don't give a shit about that and I think italians are now used to that crap! I don't know you and what are your goal but I think most of the programs at Sapienza are mediocre and a lot of shits happen! Maybe it's a good chance to leave Italy and get into some better uni! Good Luck
Hi thank you for the reply :,) was ur friend eventually able to go to sapienza? Or was he rejected and he had to scrap that idea?
He eventually enrolled late! Because he was not formally enrolled he lost exams dates so he started behind the "schedule"! I tried to help him a lot with his application! I went talking to offices at Sapienza but most of the people working there either don't know what to do or can't do anything! I noticed that a lot of the people working at offices at Sapienza are students that are collaborating (they get some money) with the uni so it's not uncommon to find people who don't know how to do the job! Also my chinese friend was kinda lucky because he told me that a few of his chinese colleagues went back to China! Sad!
I remember once at the Washington D.C. Italian embassy I went to pick up my Visa. The guy (an Italian) at the counter said to us all waiting for our number " I dont know why you guys wanna go to Italy". ...years later I totally understand. If you have George Clooney $, Italy is heaven. If do things like go to uni, work, you understand why so many Italians leave every year.
What problems italy? I want moving there
The main, biggest problem here is practically everything about the working environment. Especially if you are young, with an university education, you wouldn't have anything here if not exploitation or a low salary. Basically, we have a government that pretends that we have more kids but actually giving no help for families. They don't invest in schools, they don't increase salaries, they don't give any help for the single mothers, fathers, or families in general and then they pretend that we have kids because this ass country is old as fuck.
https://preview.redd.it/zobauyfw93ac1.jpeg?width=259&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=607ca0d3e7786352a587e0a10677746bc0678082
Everything, from salary to work conditions, a lot of racism and homophobia/transphobia, burocracy slow as hell, making friends/having a relationship is not easy unless you speak italian and you are a really really really extroverted person (a lot of italian introverted ppl never had a relationship or a friend group), transportation is increadibly bad (especially trains), no gay marriage, no adoption unless you are married for like 3 years (and adopting in italy is so difficult that basically every couple wanting to adopt just spend thousands to adopt a kid from another country), a lot of young people are moving bc their opinions are not listened to, the new government constantly remind women that our "duty" is to make kids, and don't even let me get started on sexual violence and how the law is shit, from victim blaming to not giving proper punishment to thieves and sexual offenders, if you don't have a degree finding a decent job is almost impossible but even if you have one is not easy at all, italy is a country based on recommendation + you NEED to know italian, you can't live in italy without knowing italian well and italian is kinda difficult. If you are not white or you come from east european countries you will experience racism. School is an old ass system with old teacher and based on tons of theories and almost zero pratic (i would need to much lines to explain the school system). This are some of the problems nowadays
I didn't think Italy was racist at all. Can you tell me what racism is like there? And what is the average salary?
You're not gonna miss anything Italian movies' bellavita is not reality
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why come here in the first place then? i can guarantee you life here is pretty far from what you see in movies or experience as a tourist and most taltented young italians are trying to leave the country
maybe foreigners are not aware of the real italy but europeans are also not aware of how shitty the outside of eu is, italy is still much better than our home countries
I still don't get why italy when you have many european countries to chose from, many of which are both cheaper and offer better education while also being true first world countries
Because they dont provide scholarships as italy does. dsu scholarship is the best scholarship in europe covering school accommodation and allowence. except italy only hungary has that kind of scholarship and as a person who lived in hungary i think everyone can understand the difference between hungary and italy easily😍 plus, even i have the money for uni tution, our economy and currency are shitty af, we cant even live with our salaries here in turkey, and we cant even imagine to multiply every expense with 32 (1 euro is 32 liras rn, increases everyday) besides economic situations, i still have a interest about italy, when i was living in hungary italians were my best friends, definetely because we are both mediterranean people which automatically makes people warm and welcoming. i dont want to live in -15 degrees freezing my ass seeing no sun half of the year very rude cold people kind of country so italy is the best option economically and mentally for me
Why the fuck would you apply in june when courses start in september, you had to do it earlier
The deadline was June 30? And courses started in October… and June 30 was the deadline for universitaly, I submitted my documents to sapienza in April
You had to send the documents earlier. This is for every universities.
Brother submitting in April is late for a degree that starts in OCTOBER? Please make it make sense
Italian universities actually have EXTREMELY late application deadlines compared to some European/American countries. April really isn't that early, especially for a non-EU student who needs a visa to come here
Obviously if your request has not been accepted, yes. I know Italian people who took 3 months to sign up, think of a foreigner who has to sort out extra things.
That was the deadline for international students, other students deadline was JULY so that doesn’t matter, plus I applied to pre selection which is as early as it can be 🙄🙄 and the deadline exists for a reason, it means apply before not WAYYYY before :/ applying early doesn’t give advantages
Don't want to make it worse for you. But if you get the green light to come here, be prepared for the housing situation (in case u don't have any). And it will be even worse than the whole process of getting the visa.
That's a whole other issue no one warns you about, not even the university (if you're going to study) a lot of students in Padova were on the streets for many many months.
Oh the average Sapienza experience (im really sorry man)
As a Sapienza student myself I’m sorry to hear this, the only thing I can suggest (since I needed to do this myself) is sending reminders after a few days (even multiple ones when they don’t respond) and if you still want to apply to Sapienza go follow lectures anyway (you can still follow classes, the only thing you can’t do is take exams but if you talk about your problem with the professors a few of them will gladly make you take the exam and register your grade next year, hopefully sooner)
Welcome to Italy's bureaucracy. Everything takes forever just to find out that they messed up and somehow it's your fault, therefore you need to start from point 0. (I missed a scholarship because of this)
Just wait till when you need to find housing 🙃
Bro, if your vise got rejected, you can apply for an appeal, and they will give it to you later on. My visa process after the appointment took 2 months and 12 days , but it worked. Don't give up on your dream! Sapienza is a really good university, and it is worth the wait!
I hope so 🥺
One thing you need to know about Italy that to live here and survive you need patience.
Wow I am sorry to hear. I am also planning to apply to Sapienza for a master degree starting in the 2024/2025 academic year. I only wrote them an email once and that was around September and they replied back in less than 30 minutes. I was positively shocked to say the least. Maybe I was just lucky. The application process is honestly too time consuming and has lots of steps. I am also applying to other unis in other countries and their processes are way simpler. After reading about your experience I am not sure if I would like to apply at all. Sounds too stressful.
You just got a taste of an Italians daily life,welcome to the struggle! Don’t worry, it doesn’t get better! If anything, you’ll find our bureaucracy is even worse that you experienced!
I feel really bad for you :( Italy is really slow but I think even in other countries it’s not much better
Welcome to Shitaly! Beautiful land, shit everything else
Welcome to Italy, this is why so many people leave this shitty and messy country. Honestly, you wouldn't have even a future here. I was a Sapienza student last year but I left it for 'Romatre', another university in Rome that is honestly much better. I had really good experiences with Romatre, people know what to do and you aren't left alone. The quality of teaching is really good, in my opinion even better of Sapienza.
Your university has no part to play here. It's all up to the diplomatic mission in your country. Visas suck, and it seems like Italian bureaucracy is an entirely different animal to what anyone is used to.
After reading the entire thread, I realized how good my own experience was. Got acceptance in February, moved to Milan in September, received the Permesso in early November, and had no problems with the university/scholarship/embassy. Sure, some things are pretty annoying, like not being able to open a bank account before having the Permesso (which also means no scholarship before that), difficulty finding housing, but at the end it was worth it. Also, start learning Italian asap as most don't speak English at all. Good luck!!
Sapienza university is not only going to give you knowledge in your field, they are also going to give you the tools to survive in an environment where nobody gives a fuck about you.
Italy is... not a first world country. As an example; we have hundreds of workplace related deaths per year. A figure unimaginable in a first world country. Collapsing bridges, negligent train crashes, cable car disasters, we have it all. No one is ever punished. They just aren't. My mum works in a school, and has to commute over 120 miles there and over 120 miles back each day, as no school within that distance is hiring. Well I say she works: since September she's been volunteering. Involuntarily. The school hasn't paid her a cent since September. She is not alone. This is not a private school either (when they don't pay it isn't even news). It's a state school.
Calma, calma! I don’t know where you are from, but here the ‘semester’ doesn’t mean anything. If you took this time to read the syllabus online and study, you can easily take all the first year exams once you come. Check a bit more the structure of your course and live your life as it’s supposed to be lived, doing your best and not freaking out.
I couldn't visit my dying grampa in time because in Italy the questura needed 6 month to give me an appointment for the passport (my grampa was outside of Europe)
I’m sorry to hear that
As an italian citizen, i want to fly out of this hell place. Poor italy, beautiful place but without opportunities!
Don't waste your time, go somewhere else. Ps: I graduated from sapienza.
italy is bothersome yes, but compared to most of the rest of the world, its still one of the best countries to live/study in. idk which country youre from but dont listen to the italians that say “cut your losses and dont come here”, they’re spoiled white people that dont care about anything bc they have the comfort of having a first world passport.
You have been lucky. You were proven Italy is a place to avoid before getting started. Move on and choose a Country that has made it in the 21st century now. There are dozens of them.
And that's why I left university. Couldn't deal with the bureaucracy. You still have choice, go study somewhere else if you value your mental health.
For all of us this is just our everyday lives wasting a ton of time without expecting nothing in return even in the brightest scenario. welcome home, but you have pizza and lots of polpette 
I lived the same issues in this year. I graduated 2022 and 1 year with internship and applying to masters. I applied to Polimi and after registration, I apply to visa in july and 1 time my application was rejected. I applied again and at the end, 23th of November I came to Italy. But the programme was started in September. So now I am trying to pass my lesson with final exams... All the problem is just political issues between countries.Because of this, visa process turns to a cancer...
That's the one of the reasons I changed my mind about Sapienza. I was planning to apply to ACSAI but now I have differenet goals... many of my friends got their acceptance letter and its just stressing me out to dont know what will happen next year and I have no year to wait. If I cant get an application this year, I am probably going to study my home country and I dont want that.
Sapienza alumni here. So sad to hear this, hope you can find a happier situation…
This is just Italy being Italy. But honestly, it's just bureaucracy being bureaucracy. I moved to Italy in 2012; it took the UK government months to give us the documents we requested to send them to Italy to get our residency. Getting citizenship here took 5/6 years and was meant to take 2-4. However, my uncle had to spend 12 years travelling back and forth from the UK to the US because the US would lose his info, and every six months, he'd have to pay for a visa. Every other time, it'd be declined for no reason, he'd reapply, and it would be accepted, having changed nothing about it. UK passport photos must follow the *exact* rules, or you'll need to resubmit. A friend of mine moved to East and then to Southeast Asia to teach English in multiple countries; he's had to /bribe/ various times, often in the same place numerous times, to get his visas and other documentation, even to get his passport back. One good thing about Italy is that if your papers are mostly in order, you will get them sooner or later; it will just take time, and from my experience, usually, things aren't too expensive (other than getting a passport for the first time?!)! One suggestion for everyone, anywhere in the world, with anything bureaucratic, is to do it as early as possible. --- Having said all of that, I loved uni at the Sapienza. Everyone is super friendly, and many of the professors are happy to help (most students having made friends with one or more in later years of their degrees), loads of good, cheap food near by, and places to drink if that's your thing. The historical centre is only 20 minutes walk away (maybe 30, depends how quickly you walk!) or a couple of stops on the metro. When you finally get to start, enjoy it!
Why should I get offended. You're 100% right. That's why people who manage to leave go away as far as possible
As an Italian I can't be offended because you're just stating a fact, but a few years back I applied for a working holiday visa in Australia, I'll spare the details but I was in the perfect situation to facilitate the speed of the process and it still took them a year ..... I think everywhere is kind of the same.... but hopefully you'll manage without wasting too much time, good luck
>This has honestly made me so depressed and I feel like a rotten tomato having wasted a year doing nothing but waiting. Bro I've been living in Italy since I was born and I've felt this way for 25 years
Trust me, you are dodging a bullet. Everything is like this in Italy and Italian universities are not what they used to be. Go study somewhere else
They call it: "vita lenta"
My experience has been that universities in Italy have very outdated programs and silly teachers that want you to buy their books and learn it all by memory like a poetry without understanding anything… the end result is that passing exams is actually hard especially for those who like to understand things… so the end result is just frustration and extra years for graduation… After a semester I changed university and started abroad and I was graduating 3 years before my former colleagues and having multiple work experiences and earning good money before they even graduated… remember that the goal is earning good money not a never ending student life😉
Yes… stay away from Italy. I’m Italian.
Chiudi bene la porta quando esci
Yes, as an Italian i must say it’s true, our bureaucracy it’s absolute crap!
Welcome to Italy. This is why EVERY Italian want to move abroad
I go to a university in Italy (master's degree), but based on personal experience and those that I've heard from peers, I don't recommend coming here to study, especially for a business related program. It's only your surroundings that are pleasant — but the quality of education is not too good. I don't really feel as equipped and enriched through university. Maybe try the Netherlands, Germany, France, or Denmark.
Are we seriously talking about an extremely unusual occurrence like it is something normal without asking for some more details? I understand OP's privacy, but thousands of people enroll in Italian universities every year, Sapienza included. No asking "ehi op, sorry to hear this, but can you be a bit more specific, even so other people do not have to deal with this?" ? Something happened, obviously, but there are a million things that can happen with a student VISA and we have no idea against who we should point the finger to. The embassy in OP's country? Sapienza's secretary? And not to be an ass but maybe OP has filled in something wrong or doesn't actually meet all the criteria?
why on earth would you want to study in italy (and Sapienza, of all universities) in the first place…? i would understand only if you’re from some third world country like albania or romania (or if you went for a private school or a top uni like politecnico di Milano)
Just to add some misery to the already shitty situation for foreign students: if you are from outside EU you will need to pay 700€/yr for the health insurance from this year :D
should we die or what😭
Wait, really? Where did you read that? I didn't even know this
Here you are: https://dottorato.it/content/aumento-dei-costi-di-accesso-al-sistema-sanitario-nazionale-chi-viene-dallestero English translation at the end of the page.
Oh wow. It's like if I weren't already poor enough
Welcome to Italy!
RUN. Seriously, even when you get here, it's not the fairytale place everyone thinks it to be. Bureaucracy is shit, people are miserable and angry and racist and cliquey, it's unsafe if you're a girl cause you're harassed constantly. I grew up here and every time I come back and romanticise it after a while I always end up regretting it and now I am stuck here for a while and can't wait to leave again! At least the food is bangin though ;)
I'm sorry that you had to go through all this. One of my friends who applied for a course in Bologna was required to take an on-site exam for admission. She flew from her home country to Italy on a tourist visa and then flew back. Basically she spent 2000+ euros and a lot of time just to be able to participate in the admission exam. The admission results were released just a few days before the semester started, leaving her almost no time to apply for a student visa. Due to this kind of bureaucratic shit, she missed the first semester. My suggestion to you is not to put all your eggs in one basket and to apply to different universities in various countries
My dear friend, this is a golden opportunity, you've seen what Italy has to offer, as a uni student and italian citizen im warning you, DO NOT COME HERE!!!
Welcome. This is what we live daily (I'm sorry though, I'm sure you'll get back on track as soon as they sort their shit out)
Welcome to one of the many faults of our country. Slow, uncaring bureaucracy.
I am Italian, I perfectly understand and I am terribly sorry
OP just discovered italian burocracy. It's all like this.
After living briefly in Italy I now Totally understand why Italians smoke and why they are incazzati...Italians are always ready to fight because it's a stressful country to live in.
Welcome to Italy! The place where tragedy becomes farce, where politicians suck and services are non-existent! Benvenuto, e scappa il prima possibile 💗
Same dude!!
It doesn’t have to be this way, but it is the way that it is
Nah man don t listen to italians hating italy, this place isn t actually that bad. Yes there s a little bit of racism, a little bit of sexism, a little bit of fascism and marxism. There s everything here just in little doses! It s not as bad if you just learn to not care at all and go to a Caf for burocracy (burocracy is the real pain, as you noticed.) Italians like to think our ship is sinking depending on who s on the government. But we ve been worse in the last 20 years, come on... People who say "the ship is sinking" now are the ones already drowned in left propaganda. (Far right is on gov) Just come here with low aspectatives, you ll be rewarded. Also uni doesn t cost so much here and it has good standards. (Everyone want italian scientists!)
Do we live in the same country or do you have rainbow glasses?
Op comes from a third world shithole and complains about bureaucracy here
Sure it’s a third world, but it’s a beautiful place and people are very helpful. Just because someone is from somewhere doesn’t mean they aren’t allowed to complain about another place ps I’m not Turkish
Italy is a third world shithole e questo tuo commento ne è la prova
You’re more than welcome to bring your can do attitude elsewhere, thank you. :)
what attitude? What's wrong with his attitude?
umarım sonuç olumlu olur ama niye bu kadar geç ya
What the fuck is this strange language.
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Thanks, I've never read Turkish so I didn't know. You are really very good and kind with me, you should go to university and use your skills.
Kind sir you should’ve asked nicely then instead of labeling it strange 🥰
No 🤩
abla postun italyanlarin gotunu fena yakmis he yorumlar patliyo
1 thing: turkish brings no advantage. we live in a competitive world for everyone and everything. either you are in or out. no advantage in knowing turkish, unless your career is being an imam in a mosque. quantum physics, electric cars, space travel, miracle cure, artificial intelligence: that is no turkey.
I'm gonna steal this 😂
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Bring a gift to whoever manages your folder like chocolates or wine or other food delicacy..they need to remember you. This is how it works in Italy. It worked for me... Goodluck
Call the university, do not wait for the email answers. Call them, explain your situation, ask for explanations, receive some reassurance and then call them again the day after. This is how I received the document for my master's degree after various delays and I'm Italian, I can't even imagine how terrible our bureaucracy can be for foreigners
it's normal in italy. people should start to understand that italy (my country) is the worst country in western europe and it's good only for holidays. don't come here to live/study/work.