Our Bridge NDI devices should be good for what you need to accomplish. One thing to note, a 1080p25 stream will take about 100Mbps per stream (depending on the content) so you'll be moving about 4-4.5Gbs of video over your network. Make sure your network is at least 10Gb rated at all sections between the 3x Bridge NDI 3G and whatever client you want to send these streams to.
We currently only sell a 16 channel model. If your looking to buy one, check out our [where to buy](https://www.aja.com/where-to-buy) page for a list of local resellers. I unfortunately don't know of any rental houses on the east coast of the top of my head that carries Bridge NDI units. Most people have gone home for the weekend, but you might get a response from [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) over the weekend.
3 power supplies and 3 network cables/ports instead of 40 of each of those sounds awful nice though... Not to mention configuring 3 devices for 40 streams, instead of 40 individual ones.
Device costs are only part of the equation here.
Yes, but you need bigger switches, more power, more space and more manpower.
And if you rent the three units it’ll be marginally more expensive if even.
Magewells are POE, all on DHCP so easy to configure, 48 port 1G switch with a 10G uplink would do the job.
£20k all in, although you'll use a lot of bay space - probably about 11U (8 decoders per 2U shelf)
Get lots of backups if you are going with single encoders, and keep track of how you are configuring them. The Magewell and BD power supplies are also shit, so you will want some spares.
Ross streaming gateway
https://www.rossvideo.com/remote-production/streaming-devices/softgear/
You can buy or use it in cloud and it supports more than just NDI if you need low latency or secure transport over public networks.
You can get it as hardware, software, cloud, subscription, perpetual, and I think even rental.
As for cost, no idea because your requirements were just 40 streams. I dont know anything else about your requirements.
Best to reach out to your local SI or Regional Sales person and get more info on your specific need.
I would guess its in the neighborhood of similar price per channel as AJA, and Birddog.
https://birddog.tv/og4-overview/
https://www.aja.com/products/helo-plus
Take a look at Kiloview Cradle Series. You can do up to 32 channels in 1 chassis. It comes with redundant power modules, centralized heat dissipation, ensuring longtime stable operation, and benefits your IP video deployments of any size and complexity.
We all see lots of posts on this subreddit where people are trying things out without any intimate knowledge of what they are doing lol.
But that is why this community of problem solvers and technical people is great, because they will ask all the questions to help OP accomplish what they are trying to do, and many times not in the way OP wanted to accomplish it.
A few servers running Sienna is probably the cheapest. Maybe not the "best" though. (I found that Sienna works, but it's somewhat rough around the edges.)
It's all based on CPU, so as long as you have the cycles and the PCIe lanes, you could easily load in 2 or maybe more Decklink Quad 2 cards per server.
I used a pair of Dell servers with Threadripper CPUs and it got the job done for me.
can sienna actually use all 8 chennels on decklink quad 2 ? because the Bm documentation says it's only 4 channels and for the other 4 you need to use their sdk to write your own app
Don't spend money..
Recycle your video cards, install it on a powerful workstation i9 with fiber network card, fiber 10g switch to ethernet, install Debian or Ubuntu and convert via software.
Or simply install vmix and enable ndi out for each input sdi ;)
AJA Bridge NDI is a solid option. Not cheap, but this is a heavy task. Each does 16 channels, so you would need three.
u/BoilingJD What format are you working with?
1080p25 steeams
Our Bridge NDI devices should be good for what you need to accomplish. One thing to note, a 1080p25 stream will take about 100Mbps per stream (depending on the content) so you'll be moving about 4-4.5Gbs of video over your network. Make sure your network is at least 10Gb rated at all sections between the 3x Bridge NDI 3G and whatever client you want to send these streams to.
Where can I rent a couple of Bridges in London ?
I would recommend contacting Phosphor (our regional rep for the UK). [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) or [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])
Got one for the USA, specifically the east coast? I need an 8-channel version of this.
We currently only sell a 16 channel model. If your looking to buy one, check out our [where to buy](https://www.aja.com/where-to-buy) page for a list of local resellers. I unfortunately don't know of any rental houses on the east coast of the top of my head that carries Bridge NDI units. Most people have gone home for the weekend, but you might get a response from [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) over the weekend.
AJA NDI bridge works out more expensive than 40 Magewell/birddog individual encoders. Maybe if we can rent a couple it'll work...
3 power supplies and 3 network cables/ports instead of 40 of each of those sounds awful nice though... Not to mention configuring 3 devices for 40 streams, instead of 40 individual ones. Device costs are only part of the equation here.
And don’t forget about the heat BirdDogs throw off… so much heat They are POE with is nice…. but so much heat….
Yes, since you will likely want 10 gig fabric, that's also a lot of port savings.
It's like £18k vs £36k difference... 100%
Yes, but you need bigger switches, more power, more space and more manpower. And if you rent the three units it’ll be marginally more expensive if even.
Magewells are POE, all on DHCP so easy to configure, 48 port 1G switch with a 10G uplink would do the job. £20k all in, although you'll use a lot of bay space - probably about 11U (8 decoders per 2U shelf)
Get lots of backups if you are going with single encoders, and keep track of how you are configuring them. The Magewell and BD power supplies are also shit, so you will want some spares.
SiennaTV or Magwel. Avoid Birddog if you need no issues & bugs. On another hand, you can consider Kiloview.
Ross streaming gateway https://www.rossvideo.com/remote-production/streaming-devices/softgear/ You can buy or use it in cloud and it supports more than just NDI if you need low latency or secure transport over public networks.
is it a hardware appliance or software ? how much does it cost?
You can get it as hardware, software, cloud, subscription, perpetual, and I think even rental. As for cost, no idea because your requirements were just 40 streams. I dont know anything else about your requirements. Best to reach out to your local SI or Regional Sales person and get more info on your specific need. I would guess its in the neighborhood of similar price per channel as AJA, and Birddog. https://birddog.tv/og4-overview/ https://www.aja.com/products/helo-plus
Take a look at Kiloview Cradle Series. You can do up to 32 channels in 1 chassis. It comes with redundant power modules, centralized heat dissipation, ensuring longtime stable operation, and benefits your IP video deployments of any size and complexity.
Main question is why ndi? Just because? Want to try it? Think it will be easier than sdi?
At 40 channels my guess is OP is beyond "trying it out"
We all see lots of posts on this subreddit where people are trying things out without any intimate knowledge of what they are doing lol. But that is why this community of problem solvers and technical people is great, because they will ask all the questions to help OP accomplish what they are trying to do, and many times not in the way OP wanted to accomplish it.
Sienna processing engine. Would need a strong machine though.
can sienna do SDI on input?
A few servers running Sienna is probably the cheapest. Maybe not the "best" though. (I found that Sienna works, but it's somewhat rough around the edges.) It's all based on CPU, so as long as you have the cycles and the PCIe lanes, you could easily load in 2 or maybe more Decklink Quad 2 cards per server. I used a pair of Dell servers with Threadripper CPUs and it got the job done for me.
can sienna actually use all 8 chennels on decklink quad 2 ? because the Bm documentation says it's only 4 channels and for the other 4 you need to use their sdk to write your own app
Yes. I was running I'm a 6x2 and 2x6 configuration. My vendor told me I had the resources to handle 16 conversations on my hardware though.
what are you doing with the NDI feeds?
Birddog OG4’s could be an option.
Don't spend money.. Recycle your video cards, install it on a powerful workstation i9 with fiber network card, fiber 10g switch to ethernet, install Debian or Ubuntu and convert via software. Or simply install vmix and enable ndi out for each input sdi ;)
VMIX has a limit of 4 NDI outputs though ?
Instead if it's a static setup .. You can spend big money for hardware standalone solution
1000 the pro i remember
it can have 1000 sources but not 1000 NDI outputs
Pay attention, you don't see the external out ndi. You need to toggle on the ndi button to generate ndi out for each input. it's different
I use Linux for these tasks.. but can't explain how
I don't use vmix .. But a Linux server, but it's a secret 😂
is FFMPEG really a secret?
Try
Fully loaded open gear frame with BirdDog OG4 would do exactly that if it’s all HD. 4k would get you 20ch.
Good in theory, but from experience they actually don’t work and BirdDog support told us to return them for single encoders…
Have a look at intinor it can convert to almost any format. Www.intinor.com we also rent these out (direct routers) www.yourside.nl.... 😊