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OutsidersBest

Can't believe hogan sell for jay leno lmao


KirbbDogg213

I agree jay Leno getting the drop on hogan said as Bad and made hogan look weak


macNy

Hogan was desperate for Hollywood approval. Leno was basically the King of Hollywood at the time, much like Johnny Carson was in his day


n0man0r

Imagine calling Jay Leno the king of hollywood just because you want to dunk on Hogan.


captainxenu

Leno was nowhere near as popular or influential as Carson. Appearing as a stand up on Carson Tonight Show made your career. I can't name a single fucking stand up that appeared on Leno.


macNy

With the exception of a clown like Jimmy Fallon whomever hosted the Tonight Show was very influential in Hollywood back in the day


OK_110

Lots of famous comedians appeared on Leno. He didn’t make their careers like Carson did they were already famous when they appeared on Lenos show. He was no Johnny Carson not even close. David Letterman was a lot better than Leno


BIOHAZARD594

Do you understand how much these guys made that night. I bet they all sat in a room and smoked a cigar.


KirbbDogg213

Yeah but this was part of why WCW started to go down hill.Its up there with the finger poke of doom


macNy

Can’t believe he dropped the belt to Goldberg so he could wrestle Jay fucking Leno lol


Swampthing_44

Vince Russo was the champion at one time. It's more unbelievable that Hogan didn't drop it to Leno.


forgotmypassword4714

WCW wrestling legends Vince Russo, Jay Leno and David Arquette...


ExpatKev

As an NWA fan of the late 80s and a diehard WCW supporter through 1992, and perhaps a little begrudgingly late 93, I just threw up in my mouth that I just discovered that happened.


Bamcfp

One headbutt and Hollywood is going home in a coffin, he knows this and fears Leno because it.


tonyk11

Of all the times Hogan didn’t use his creative control clause he chose this time.


SpringTour77

that works for me, brother


macNy

WTF are you taking about, all of this was Hogan’s idea, he wanting to be big in Hollywood and do real movies, not shit like Mr. Nanny Getting on Leno’s good side was the entry door to Hollywood stardom and the Hulkster was fully aware of that


ThunderHawk1985

And how did that work out for terrible Terry?


macNy

Oh for sure he failed, that's obvious, but I think my point still stands


ThunderHawk1985

I agree but I just wanted to hear someone on here finally tell the truth.I have nostalgia for older wrestling to but lets face facts everything wasnt great especially since I've been going back and watching it recently it's definitely not as good as I remember it for some reason and not to say you have nostalgia for older wrestling but I see alot of people on here that do myself included until recently when I made the mistake of going back and watching it now that I'm alot older.


ReadingRainbow5

😅😅😅😅😅😅touché touché


shinoda24

I mean seriously🤣🤣🤣


Horse_Noggin

It made the entire professional wrestling business look very stupid.


ThunderHawk1985

I know it killed any realism that wrestling had at that point.


[deleted]

The business did a pretty great job at that long before Leno got involved.


heavyheavybrobro

awful


Intelligent_Test_833

This is incorrect


rkwaz37

Stupid, just like 99% of all other celebrity ring appearances.


DoubleDumpsterFire

At least the NBA guys were at least athletes lol


Liverpool510

Malone hitting a diamond cutter alongside DDP was at least a cool moment. The Jay Leno thing felt more like a way to get Bischoff involved in a big time angle than anything.


Noggin-a-Floggin

Wasn’t it Malone that actually trained for a bit so he wouldn’t fuck up simple moves?


badmonkey077

Malone wasn't bad


SignificanceNo1223

Malone was a beast.


shnigybrendo

Literally a beast. Impregnated a child.


rkwaz37

Malone, Rodman, Logan Paul and Steven Amell are the only good ones that come to mind


Firm-Ad799

No love for mayweather?


mr_wrestling

Bad Bunny


ym179

Obviously, that picture of Hogan selling a submission by Leno is ridiculous. However, the angle itself was, oddly enough, what made me a long-term wrestling fan. I used to watch Leno's Tonight Show with my Mom, and I remember Leno and Kevin Eubanks talking about Bischoff copying his show. More important to me was them talking about Hogan, and then bringing out a "Mini Hogan" to make fun of him. It shocked me to find out on there that he was now a bad guy called Hollywood Hogan. I vaguely remembered seeing him as a little kid when he was Hulk Hogan, and I knew he used to be a red-and-yellow good guy. When Hogan, Bischoff and DDP actually showed up on Leno's show and DDP issued the challenge for Road Wild, I was hooked. I started watching every WCW show I could from that point on (at least until I became a WWF fan), and DDP became my favorite wrestler for quite a while.


NavyCadillac

That's basically the same thing that happened to me


StarWolf478

I get that they wanted the mainstream publicity that they would get from Jay Leno and invading the Tonight Show, but I don’t think that they needed to put their biggest star, Hulk Hogan, in a position to get beat up by Jay Leno. I would have booked it as just a short match between Leno and Bischoff with DDP in Leno’s corner and a member of the nWo B team in Bischoff’s corner. That way they still get the publicity from invading the Tonight Show and having Leno wrestle, but without making their biggest star look weak in the process. And then you have Hogan free to challenge Goldberg for the title in the main event as well.


[deleted]

Nowhere near as bad as it could have been, but still a very dumb idea.


shockmaster5000

Bret Hart feels Leno is far more skilled than Goldberg.


Lima1998

Bret/Conan vs Goldberg/Leno is a dream match


hoova

Bill Goldberg


jonguy77

is a talentless douche


macNy

Yeah but what an entrance though. He was the ultimate wrestler for young marks who knew nothing about wrestling lol


forwrestling

This match is actually better than the Rodman/Malone stuff the month before. It definitely still sucks, but it’s a step above that somehow.


Annual_Skin_6933

Anything screwed up in the Malone match is because Rodman was drunk.


KillysgungoesBLAME

That was when I stopped buying WCW pay-per-views.


forwrestling

I think WCW did a great job at marketing their PPVs as the most can’t miss thing ever. So many of them were bad and/or under delivered and yet I’d be right there with my limited teenager money buying the next one.


MyExisaBarFly

Nah, once they made it look like Jay Leno could hold Hogan in an arm lock, I was on my way out.


forwrestling

Oh, don’t take my comment as an endorsement. It’s more their ability to consistently appeal to my 13 year old brain.


MyExisaBarFly

That’s fair, but I guess I don’t know if trying to go mainstream really worked. Like, I know I didn’t give two shits about Leno’s match, or Malone, or Rodman. They were all nothing matches.


Strong-Formal-7739

Malone was actually pretty awesome.


shinoda24

Naw Malone and Rodman match is levels above this bullshit. Those guys are actual professional athletes and showed they could perform the basics. There match by celebrity guest standards was digestable IMO


GreedoWasShot

My timing is off, this was before Russo came on board wasn’t it? If so they can’t keep blaming him for the downfall it was a sinking ship before he was captain


ChaimFinkelstein

Correct. Russo did not join WCW until October of 1999. Also, I agree that WCW was in rapid decline prior to Russo.


Maxter_Blaster_

Russo was still in WWE during 1998, pretty sure he didn’t go to WCW until late 99 or so.


Mr_Intergalactic

I was a huge Leno fan when I was younger, thought this was a stupid match, I hate when people from Hollywood or sports get involved in matches Expessially punters


JKREDDIT75

Terrible decision. This was the second straight PPV where Goldberg wasn't in the main event despite being WCW World Heavyweight Champion.


macNy

Goldberg was never bigger than the Hulkster brother, even if he had the belt


JKREDDIT75

True, but, your World Champion should be in the main event. Goldberg won the title in July and didn't main event until *Halloween Havoc* in October, and he and DDP had to rescue the show after the Hogan-Warrior II debacle. (That match should have been the main event at *WrestleMania VII*.)


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JKREDDIT75

I know that. The War was already over by the time Hogan-Slaughter happened, and they dragged the feud out all year, when it SHOULD have been Warrior returning the job from a year earlier.


macNy

Agreed, but everyone at WCW knew that Goldberg was a joke who couldn't wrestle, all he had was an entrance and 2 moves. So it didn't really mater where he as placed on the card even though he was Champ, he would always get the same reaction regardless. But yes I see your point


Plantayne

One of those rare times when what’s good for business is bad for fans. Just like David Arquette winning the world title…yea ratings were up for a short time and it was a big one-time deal, but it hurt the existing fan base more than it helped and business ultimately suffered because of it.


JustMyThoughts2525

I actually still have yet to watch this ppv or this match. I’ve only seen the battle royal. Similar to the zombies lumber jack match, I pretty much avoid wrestling segments where I know I’ll question myself being a wrestling fan.


chriscfgb

It was fine. This was the 9th most purchased show in WCW history, they were still a hot commodity (despite the fact we are literally like 4 months away from the start of the out of control downward spiral). People acting like Leno just owned Hogan all over this match here are being silly. He got in just a couple of holds, and while ridiculous visually, it's not like he mopped the floor with the guy. I think as an idea of "holy shit - Jay Leno wrestling Hogan, are you serious?!?" it had some legs. It just probably belonged on Nitro, which almost definitely would have drawn a great quarter hour. The better move would have been for Hogan to lose to Goldberg a second time before pivoting off to Warrior, but I realize Hulk likely wouldn't have gone for a second clean pinfall loss in such a short window.


Hillz44

The greatest. Give that man a strap


JCMoney1987

Hulk Hogan selling holds for Jey Leno is one of the silliest things in wrestling history.


sasberg1

IMO it was weird and didn't really make sense, but at the same time it fell in line with their thing for having celebrities involved.


MysteriousValuable88

Terrible like most celebs in wrestling matches,at least some of them look like they belong,this guy was a joke.


imissoberto

Is it crazy to think the Gorgeous George vs Charles Robinson match was miles better than the Rodman/Malone/Leno matches?


Perv_Griffin_215

Pure shit. Eric Bischoff yearned for mainstream exposure and it typically resulted in this kind of trash.


TheFatBadger09

Big bossman. Andre. John Studd. Jay Leno. Checks out


ElGuanacho

Embarrassing


VoodooWhale

Leno is successful because no matter what haters say he always keeps his chins up.


lariato_mark

It was garbage. Plain and simple


snortingajax

The moment WCW started getting desperate


GuyWithTheGoods

Awful. And this picture...it's beyond belief. Huck should have hucked out of this instantly.


thizzdanz

Drizzlin shits, pal


JA860

Lame AF


UnhappyAd9934

It's the fact Hogan was willing to sell for Leno but wouldn't for Warrior


macNy

Warrior couldn’t help him get a movie deal, that’s the difference


Economy_Sky_7238

Can't put Jay in a chinlock that's for sure


sircharliepalmer

Don’t love most celebrity tie ins especially when they just look like Craig from accounts. Gets a lot of eyeballs but so does a car crash.


pornserver-65

typical dumb corporate wrestling rearing its ugly head during a time they were doing cool edgy shit.


SlowReaction4

I’m not a fan of Jay Leno in general so that doesn’t work for me brother.


savedbytheblood72

I couldn't sit thru it.. Announcers trying to defend amd act surprised at his wrestling skill him made it worse


aafrias15

This was after the Karl Malone/DDP-Rodman/Hogan match right? That was an awful two match run. I remember being a kid and I fell asleep because the matches were so boring


DannySoldado915

Horrible


Lobsterbug2020

It was a horrible, horrendous mistake. At least with Malone and Rodman, they were athletes and were believable enough. They didn’t do anything too complicated or outrageous during their match. The diamond cutter is a move that can be learned quickly and believe to be effective. Jay was neither. He should not be in the ring unless he was going to interfere when the referees back was turned to turn the tables on and Company. Like hit hogan with a belt. For example, when Mr. T was with Hogan, he looked in very good shape. Seemed very credible and did simple power-based moves. Of course, when he was going against Piper in the boxing match, they actually recorded him being trained along with Piper. That kept the air of believability.


SugarAdamAli

Fucking horrible n abysmal. Had they just not done the Rodman n Malone stuff the month prior, and actually had some build, at least you could have drawn serious money


Additional_Second109

Totally ridiculous


BladeBickle

Imagine John Cena selling for Jimmy Kimmel...


mjtilley

Cena got pinned by Kevin Ferdeline on Monday Night Raw.


UniqueEnigma121

WCW never should have involved all those celebs. Remember Rodman? I felt it really devalued the brand. Asking legends to wrestle non professionals.


aquafool

Hurt WCW more than the Finger Poke of Doom imo. It hurt the ENTIRE roster because in Hogan was the ‘best’ in the company and was getting clowned on by Leno, what does that say about everyone else? Also the argument for it was in was for the ‘mainstream’ audience, and yes, Leno was a big star at the time. But he was an old star in a lot of ways and WCW should have been capitalizing on the younger audience that the NWO brought in. Especially with how hot stars like Austin and DX were. Not many people watching wrestling at the time cared about Leno.


Born-Throat-7863

God that match was embarrassing.


TampaTrey

All those guys Hogan refused to sell for. Sells for Jay Leno in a heartbeat.


Isayfyoujobu

Big Guns Eubanks wasn't to be fucked with thou


Level_Bridge7683

i was too young to buy ppvs and watched recaps on nitro. they could have lied saying it was the greatest ppv of all time and i would have bought into it hook line and sinker.


LugianLithos

Good publicity


Ok-Addendum-2885

They really were jumping the shark in mid 98. Malone and Leno involvement was not the same as Tyson at WM 14. Not sure if that was what they were going for...


LocalsOnly84

All I know is there is a moment in that match where there is silence from the crowd and hogan is throwing Leno into the ropes as someone slowly shouts “Hogan sucks”. Then immediately after Hogan says back. “So does your Mother”. Amazing moment


Chrisr291

I just want to know about the pitch meeting…. “ALL RIGHT, CHECK THIS OUT BROTHER! THE BIG DUDE IN THE SKY MAN…. HE TOLD ME TO GIVE JAY LENO A CALL AND OFFER HIM A SHOT AT THE TITLE AND I SAID TO MYSELF…. WITH THESE PYTHONS BROTHER…. IT DOESN’T MATTER IF ITS CONAN, DAVID, OR OPRAH; I AM NWO 4 LIFE!


DoctorMelvinMirby

After all the docs and books on WCW/Bischoff, I’m surprised this wasn’t on a Nitro. As crappy as it was, it would’ve brought in a huge rating and would’ve helped sell out an arena that might not have already been sold out. You know… with fans… that pay to attend.


Vemnox

Just another instance of a non-wrestler wanting to participate and the WCW hoping it'd draw more eyes to the promotion. The only thing it did was make the current fans groan.


c0reyp1

Better Technical Wrestler than Goldberg was 🤣


puddum

The true beginning of the downfall of wcw


Nearby-Swimming-5103

Terrible.


Wise_Temperature_322

Love Jay Leno! Surprisingly strong performance but nothing I would book for a serious wrestling company. Maybe a one off smack backstage that gets broken up but a match is a little much. Jay though did the best with what he had to work with.


aRebelliousHeart

One of the many, many reasons WCW died!


MaddenRob

It was embarrassing


[deleted]

Wrestling is real


JesusFChrist108

Did it need to be the main event? It wasn't as big as Rodman/Malone the month before, especially coming off of that heated finals between the Bulls and Jazz. I remember at the time (I was only 5), I was flabbergasted that my guy Goldberg only got two ppv main events over his 5 1/2 months as world champion. Of course now I know that part of that was his limited skills...


Booth_Templeton

It was silly, and I thought useless. But whatever.


Impressive_Climate83

I was there. It was horrid.


taylorscrews1

Sad I kid I knew that wrestling was scripted but this was when I realized it was completely fake.


shinoda24

WHY??? that's my opinion.


ArmorKingEX

Embarrassment to the profession because Leno wasn't a wrestler.


StevieSparta

Chin Diesel


uhWHAThamburglur

Leno's dad was a professional boxer and prize fighter, and he trained to be a boxer before discovering comedy. So yeah, kinda all tracks.


Apocalypse413

He did an awesome job. I’m not much of fan of celebrities coming in for matches (Dennis Rodman, anyone?). I am cool with it if they can do it competently. Wasn’t a fan of Logan Paul before he came to WWE, but he’s impressed me a great deal.


Steven_Seagull815

It brought eyeballs and that was the name of the game back then. It's still pretty dumb tho XD


nwa88

I think it was fine. Hog Wild/Road Wild was typically a lower drawing PPV for WCW and this one drew huge numbers plus running the storyline ON the Tonight Show at the height of The Tonight Show was a huge deal for WCW as well. It was completely innocuous in the position they put it in.


stillvadertime

What if bischoff rang the bell on the arm lock screw job finish- the music guy shoots on Leno- when he gets hit from behind with a shovel by Paul Schafer who gives the belt to Letterman fingerpoint of doom style.


Smack2k

Why did WCW die? Maybe that photo right there might give some reasons...even though this was still when they were making money.


Intelligent_Test_833

Phenomenal match one of the best of bash at the beach


sonofabitchXmustXpay

Jay Leno is more over than Samoa Joe


Professional_Lion713

So is my Left nut.


SealTeamEH

This dudes left nut to dethrone Roman reigns!


Professional_Lion713

We need a new gesture to acknowledge me.


swizzzz22

Weird flex