. . i mean generally you start these off with some opinion of your own, but this is tricky.
underrated means a very specific thing. it doesn't mean "secretly broken" though it can. it specifically means that the public perception of a thing is incongruous, and worse, than its actual value. taken literally, the only answer i can offer is Caliban.
people talk about caliban like hes worse today than inaros was before his rework. Caliban's got problems. hes annoyingly high investment and he was designed by someone with no respect for your time and hes got lifted status, eugh, nothing good contains lifted status. but like. . .at high investment, after youve spent a few Benjamins solving all of his various problems, hes perfectly viable. DV and stripping, its a world class combo. free DR, shield regen, a perfect helminth slot. i can think of more than a few warframes that play worse at 6+ forma. do i blame anyone who elected not to go that deep on Caliban? hell no. he definitely wasn't worth the investment. but its really only bad if your poor /s
that's not a very compelling answer, though. so lets go with harrow instead. harrow is great. its weird how few harrows i see running around who aren't me. probably because harrow gameplay is exhausting. but in a good way. its exhausting like a good workout. fucking religious dopamine machine. gun buffs from Pennance, crit chance from Covenant. infinite energy from Thurible, and most importantly, the fucking killfeed. muah. harrow's killfeed lets you see and feel just how much of a fucking badass you are. Honestly condemn isnt even that bad. its just the obvious choice to replace (an honestly it should open enemies to finishers).
harrow is thoroughly underrated. Harrow does for off-meta guns what Voruna does for off-meta melee weapons.
God, yes, the killfeed. Have you seen that with Thermal Sunder as an infusion? Just fill up the whole right edge of the screen with "+100 energy kill". Incredible.
when the kills get so high they run off the top of the screen. Trigger arcane pistoloeer, set my Twin khomak to "rock and roll" and unload down a packed hallway. headshot after headshot after headshot. harrow's killfeed reminds you that you are a support warframe who takes a more "Proactive" approach to keeping your squad alive. nobody needs healing if theres nobody around to hurt your teammates.
also, harrow has a very obscure Synergy. if you have a companion, like a tenet hound, who cant use Tenacious bond, harrow's 4 will trigger Tenacious bond while its active.
Took a while to get him and his prime, but I'm having a lot of fun with Harrow.
He is relatively popular on fanarts but I agree there aren't many Harrows out there. Ironically the only place I've seen him mentioned is from the long past of eidolon hunts, which is ironic since I can't find anything to get precision shots there to keep covenant up
He was part of the meta in eidolon hunts when they required 4 man squads to consistently do them. His role in the squad was just to press 4 and make the team invulnerable after each limb takedown when it would scream and do a bunch of damage.
Yeah, I personally don't play Harrow much on account of I don't like his fashion, but for how many things that frame can do I am always surprised I don't see him far more often. One of the best nukes in the game with thermal sunder subsumed, can buff your fire rate and reload speed like Wisp AND 50% critical chance is insane to have on a frame.
It's because he's high maintenence to keep everything up. If there was an augment for his 3 that get you like half energy for squad kills then he'd see a hell of a lot more use.
Yoi used to fucking love playing Harrow. When I first got him, he nearly kicked Titania off the top of my list. He was my first pick for most mission types, only occasionally switching off of him during Spy and Exterminate missions. Eidolon Hunting and Hemocyte farming was a blast when I used him.
Then, they just kept releasing awesome new Frames One after another. Garuda, Hildryn, Gauss, Wisp, Protea, Xaku, and Lavos, not to mention the fact I was getting my hands on older ones I hasn't played yet like Zephyr, and Atlas.
Somewhere along the way, Harrow kinda just got left behind. I'm definitely going to pick him up again. I wonder if I have any of his Primed relics stashed away? Would be fun to farm the prime while using the OG.
>people talk about caliban like hes worse today than inaros was before his rework.
Because he is.
It's not about frames like Caliban being objectively terrible and unplayable. It's that when you ask "why should I invest into Caliban instead of literally any other frame?" there's no good justification except "I like him". Which is a perfectly valid one, but not from a balance standpoint.
Inaros even before the rework had a niche of being the tank that requires the least effort. Slap Arcane Grace on him and a bunch of Health/Armor mods + Adaptation and you're virtually unkillable in any regular Steel Path mission with *literally zero* input. That's a niche. It's a reason to use the frame above all others.
Caliban doesn't have a niche. He's not terrible, unplayable or whatever, but his kit has absolutely no point, everything he does is done better by other frames.
I started playing Zephyr solely because of her amazing deluxe skin and then realized how goated she is. Honestly, everyone reading this should at least give her a shot.
Shes S-tier in general (personal bias aside). Shes just a frame that isn't a "click button and win" so people don't understand how utterly cracked she is.
She is *functionally immune to all weapons fire* Ranged enemies cannot harm Zephyr at all as long as her 3 is up
Like no messing around with overguard, no shield gating rubbish. You click 3 and not even beam weaponry touches her.
Then you place her in the air. Either just jumping or hovering with her 1. Now she not only has massive crit buff, melee units cannot reach her.
So with one ability and simply jumping (or a second ability) she becomes untouchable
Then we get into her teo amazing CC abilities. Airburst is cracked, and tornadoes can do some insane things. Like how are people not realising a CC ability that when you shoot at it buffs then transfers all damage equally to every unit trapped inside it is amazing. Entire squad of enemies in your tornado cluster, shoot the tornado with a weapon built for guaranteed slash/status and every enemy in it melts.
You don't have to AIM at each enemy trapped in the CC. You have damage "wifi". It would be like if Khoras cage have a little target sign and if you shoot it, it murders anything in the cage.
I feel like loads of people tried Zephyr YEARS ago and just have never checked her out since her updates and assume shes the same
I think she isnt used alot because her gameplay feels kinda the same as khora, sit in one spot, have enemies walk in, kill. Just without the extra loot. So why not just use khora at this point?
Also her tornado has a recursion feature where aoe procs caused by the damage into the tornado like electricity or gas will also feed back into the damage, and has the ability to proc hunter munitions if you critted with the original shot, meaning you effectively can infinitely scale your damage and do stupid amounts of dots
Yup. Only take my Zephyr for a ride with specific Riven challenges like aim glide (and even then, you can get the same result with any frame and specific mods)
Not underrated on "they need a buff" but more like "I've never seen anyone else playing this guy", probably Lavos.
Solid dude, fun caster gameplay and the Cedo hits like e brick. It's been 4 years, so maybe he will get a bump of popularity when his Prime gets released around the next 4 primes
With his new augment, I think he's one of the best all rounders in the game. He's great for railjack, profit taker, energy drain sorties, netracells, pretty much anything. He's the best frame I know that's not downright busted (like revenant).
I run madurai on her(she already regens energy fine), so when I get into missions(i have preparation exilus) I instantly go into operator and switch back to get the cast speed and cast 3 4 in a very short time and start running.
Gyre I'd say is THE best warframe for exterminate missions but does fall short in other missions where speed is valued more than killing enemies like capture/rescue/Sabotage for example
I would argue that saryn is slightly faster for exterminates, if you pair a kuva ogris with her.
When i mentioned setup, i didnt mean energy, i meant getting enough molt stacks to fully strip, and increasing the timer on her 3 and 4 via kills.
Gyre is amazing for exterminates though, i will use her sometimes if its an exterminate incursion, but for other missions (excluding endless) ill use someone else.
I run PSF on most of my warframes, im an ex-eidolon hunter so i have way too many energy pads
Saryn 4 and spores takes time to kill, gyre as soon as she touches anyone the whole room explodes, with my gyre I have kept up with thermal sunder titania, gyre also has an amazing roll animation that unlike saryn and other normal rolls doesn't throw your momentum downwards, I will say gyre 100% falls of HARD against armored enemies later on, without armor strip she can't do grineer missions nearly as fast
On low levels, yeah gyre is faster. But on base SP, saryn would be faster, WITH OGRIS. I said with ogris for a reason.
The spores can weaken enemies before you get in range, then ogris can wipe the crowd with a whole bunch of abilities at your disposal.
For instance, i have a gas electric ogris specifically to be played with saryn. With her buffs i can make a tox electric gas corrosive viral/xata ogris. With 265% range my spores will be able to attach to enemies on the room next door, weakening their armour, almost stripping them fully when i get there, and this will continue spreading as long as her toxin lash is active.
Fastest ive done a SP exterminate (with 140~ enemies)
Is like a minute and 10 seconds, and that was with saryn. Titania will struggle nuking SP enemies with sunder, considering energy. Gyre will do amazing, but i promise you my saryn would be faster
And additionally, when I play Gyre in survival, I feel kinda bad for nuking every room I walk into, not leaving any mobs for my teammates to kill.
Gara is the same, but worse in every way. Especially when the relic blessing gives you range and strength. You can nuke the two room radius area even on SP. So even if we all stand in one corner and mindlessly press the same buttons on repeat for two hours, all the drops are accumulated extremely far away even if you hold your 4 for half a second.
I tried her for the MR fodder and got frustrated with the floaty movement slowing me down while zipping through levels. I imagine that’s a common feeling among those who don’t play her.
Zephyr being so ignored is absolute heresy.
You can become invincible to 90% of ennemies with just a button, you can an insane a of crit chance by just jumping and by god, with the right build and a few yellow Archon Shards you can straight up become a flying speedster.
Her main abilities / gameplay loop doesnt apply well for many mission types so shes not really suited as an allrounder and for the missions you would switch to a specific frame for where she WOULD do good, theres mostly another frame that does it even better imo.
What are you talking about?
Even in fast paced mission types she can just be unkillable with her 3, group enemies with 2 and murder them all with free +150% crit chance (and the option of Airburst Rounds to give a HUGE damage buff to secondaries). She's also faster than most frames since there's usually at least one or two semi long areas you can instantly clear with her 1.
And in any even remotely stationary mission her 4 murders everything.
Not as "careless unkillable" as rhino/revenant/nezha. No status/knockdown immunity. Grouping is pointless in most missions if you use aoe weapons, roar does more for you than some conditional cc, cant just go full strength and duration with no range and efficiency
Grendel. Despite the general concensus that he is a good warframe, I quite literally never see other Grendels in missions. I play a lot and have only ever seen like 2 other Grendels. It just seems strange.
Im still a newer player really but I feel like I don’t see much Hildryn at all like ever. I had trouble getting through steel path enemies and staying alive at times but she’s fixed that completely her abilities are just really good
Hildryn is okay, she has a nice armour strip and since you build strength on her anyways, dmg buffing abilities will fit on her perfectly.
The issue with her though, is that on her own, she will struggle against high level enemies(500+) because she uses her shields as energy. No shields, no regenerating shields
My bet is on Citrine. Rarely see others play her, but modded right (hint: she can use all the Archon mods) she's made Steel Path almost boring. Same with Sevagoth as Gloom is just top tier.
The reason people keep bringing up Zephyr is because there is no other frame with such a discrepancy between their performance (you’d be hard-pressed to find anyone who doesn’t rank her as an S/A tier frame) and play rate (1% total between her normal and prime versions apparently).
So I used to main Trinity years ago but she just started to be overpowered by other frames like harrow or wisp and I stopped playing her and maining wisp, but this year I found a video about her and decided to watch it praising for it to be good, the video focused around her tankiness with the 3rd hability, 75% damage reduction on her 4th hability and so, the guy comented on how good she is at SP survival missions, being inmortal basically and killing everything easily with the occucor, wich I've got an almost god riven for also, also oneshoting the acolytes.
I've tried this build and had lots of fun, I started soloing 3 hours SP survivals to open relics and farm steel essence (obviously I enjoy this kind of playstyle but I get it may not be for everyone), so yeah I've been able to return to my original main after many years and I'm happy for that, also enjoyed giving her a new fashionframe wich I also enjoy, and her fashion being really hard to pull was a great challenge, here it is for the curious: [https://i.imgur.com/mc8x97x.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/mc8x97x.jpeg)
I'd like to add some buffs I believe she could have in the future for her to be a plausible option on this current meta, I would increase her damage reduction to 90%, maybe touch a bit the duration on said effect, also give her something usefull on her pasive, 25% speed on reviving allies and 50% distance for reviving is weak, i'll give her the overshield capacity doubled pasive that harrow has for example and add another gimmick or something sweet like other frames have, i'd also change her first hability because it has so little and specific uses that makes it the 100% target for subsumed habilities, I would change it for something else that allows us to still change it but that has some specific mod for a different build.
This are just my thoughts, i'd appreciate feedback and ideas for her to still dream on what she could be xD
when this question comes up EVERYONE says zephyr yet still no one plays her. i feel like people enough people know shes good that i dont consider her underrated anymore
i would consult youtube tbh, her 4 has some weird mechanics and rules that let you abuse a few weapon/damage types. there might be an electric infinite scaling thing there or maybe an obscure incarnon interaction like the nova nuke. her 4 inherits elemental damage which is like prime real estate for bugs and niche loadouts. im not too familiar though cause i dont play her either lmao
but other than that just keep 3 and 4 up, pull things in with airburst, and you can hover by holding 1 and her passive increases crit chance or smth
I will evaluate this based on two metrics:
* [Usage in 2023](https://www.warframe.com/2023stats)
* How strong their potential actually is (armor stripping, pure damage potential, CC, ease of use/modding, etc).
**Conclusion: Mag/Mag Prime**
* Her usage is quite low despite being a starter Warframe, and significantly lower than her starter brothers
* Her powers are quite straightforward and don't require a lot of modding to get great results
* She can increase the damage of every weapon to hilarious level with Magnetize, and using Helminth ability like Breach Surge guarantees death within the bubble.
* Crush is an AoE, no LoS CC dealing decent damage that also recovers shield to you and allies, including but not limited to Specters and living defense objectives (e.g. Sortie), and can easily give Overshields.
* Fracturing Crush makes it even easier to restore shields while also fully stripping enemies in a single cast without needing insane power strength (only need 134% Str).
I'm gonna go with Yareli. Her launch was an absolute disaster that got her (deservedly) saddled with a reputation as a terrible and awful to play Warframe locked behind a bullshit quest that also drifted uncomfortably close to hentai at one point for some reason. Several years of QoL updates later, she's really quite strong. Her Sea Snares are a massive teamwide multiplicative damage buff, her Aquablades shred, and they have an Augment that can easily scale into viable endgame damage. I don't really play her, but if I had to pick the frame with the worst ratio of reputation to viability, it would be her.
Don't forget, Zephyr is also great for open world missions!
Her 1 makes is easy to get around the map even if you don't have a archwing deployer, and her 3 makes her completely immune to bullets and lasers, so you don't have to worry about getting shot from every direction while doing a bounty.
P.S. Also free150% critical chance DO NOT SLEEP ON ZEPHYR
I think there are a couple, basing on many comments I see (though I'm not looking at all posts and such, so those might be changed as of recent):
- Caliban: man is absolutely in need of help, but he is playable and can do some stuff. His 1 is garbage and 3 needs more utility (like better control over Sentients, commanding them what to do, and generally having them be a bit more impactful), 2 is alright (though could do without the target limit, no reason for it to be there), and 4 is good (perma strip for anything that touches the lingering field).
- Lavos: I swear, every time I see Lavos mentioned, there is almost always a high upvoted comment mentioning how he is the definition of carpal tunnel syndrome, or "just a RJ pilot". That's why I benched him for long, I picked him up recently, and he's not nearly as button-heavy as I thought. I think most people look at his passive, think "so I have to press buttons 3 times for an ability and spam them constantly", when it's really not the case. Only combo you probably should do is 144 (Gas nuke), you can occasionally do 131 for Corrosive buff and app and reducing cooldown, and 122(jump) for Viral vial coverage. And if you can't be bothered by pressing many buttons? Lavos is tanky, grab Cedo, alt fire to spread statuses (or any other primer), press 144 for nuke, press 3 into another group of enemies, 1 into enemies, and any ability for element you want on Cedo (buff from augment) until nuke come back. You can play Lavos with lots of button presses, but thanks to his tankyness and especially with the new augment, he is not nearly as button-heavy as people say (and he's very fun).
- Yareli, though I'm not sure if it's still the sentiment among players. She gained lots of glow-ups, and the only thing that remains annoying is that DE is refusing to make board feel better/more unique to use (perfectly shown with Loyal Merulina augment, which just strips Yareli of her identity instead of fixing the problems). However, she is good nowadays and perfectly playable, with good Nezha-esque tankyness, damage buff with bubbles and strong secondary buff passive.
- Sevagoth: from what I've seen, people are still dismissing him for whatever reason. He used to be strong even beyond being Helminth food. With the somewhat new 1 augment, he is much stronger in all fields: either as a 1-2 nuke, weapons platform, hybrid, or pure Shadow (as his Shadow 3 applies the same debuff as normal form 1). And he's often dismissed because of apparent "huge forma investment" - I put 2 forma on his base, 1 onto Shadow, and none on claws, and he still shreds through SP with each of the builds (normal form nuke, dynamic hybrid or pure shadow).
No one said atlas yet. With the incarnon melees he is a beast. Literally one punching sp stalkers and having faster roomclearing than even mesa or xaku.
Maybe not as easily built than other frame and not a lot of build variety but when he works its insane.
Oh and I almost forgot: he is the best extra loot frame out there
He's amazing.
If you use his second ability you can CC, but if you use his 4th ability on top of his second it strips armour.. third ability makes him heal super quick and gives him a ton more armour.. so overall he's a potential DPS, potential crowd controller and potential support.
He was my first SP frame hehe
I cane here to say Oberon. I noticed that most of people’s issues with him are that fir all of his abilities, there is a frame that does it better. That may be true but that’s just power creep. He never lost any viability, just got overshadowed and is old fashioned by Warframe standards. Also, whenever I have a defense with a mobile target or a high level rescue, he makes those missions trivial with how is healing works.
. . i mean generally you start these off with some opinion of your own, but this is tricky. underrated means a very specific thing. it doesn't mean "secretly broken" though it can. it specifically means that the public perception of a thing is incongruous, and worse, than its actual value. taken literally, the only answer i can offer is Caliban. people talk about caliban like hes worse today than inaros was before his rework. Caliban's got problems. hes annoyingly high investment and he was designed by someone with no respect for your time and hes got lifted status, eugh, nothing good contains lifted status. but like. . .at high investment, after youve spent a few Benjamins solving all of his various problems, hes perfectly viable. DV and stripping, its a world class combo. free DR, shield regen, a perfect helminth slot. i can think of more than a few warframes that play worse at 6+ forma. do i blame anyone who elected not to go that deep on Caliban? hell no. he definitely wasn't worth the investment. but its really only bad if your poor /s that's not a very compelling answer, though. so lets go with harrow instead. harrow is great. its weird how few harrows i see running around who aren't me. probably because harrow gameplay is exhausting. but in a good way. its exhausting like a good workout. fucking religious dopamine machine. gun buffs from Pennance, crit chance from Covenant. infinite energy from Thurible, and most importantly, the fucking killfeed. muah. harrow's killfeed lets you see and feel just how much of a fucking badass you are. Honestly condemn isnt even that bad. its just the obvious choice to replace (an honestly it should open enemies to finishers). harrow is thoroughly underrated. Harrow does for off-meta guns what Voruna does for off-meta melee weapons.
God, yes, the killfeed. Have you seen that with Thermal Sunder as an infusion? Just fill up the whole right edge of the screen with "+100 energy kill". Incredible.
when the kills get so high they run off the top of the screen. Trigger arcane pistoloeer, set my Twin khomak to "rock and roll" and unload down a packed hallway. headshot after headshot after headshot. harrow's killfeed reminds you that you are a support warframe who takes a more "Proactive" approach to keeping your squad alive. nobody needs healing if theres nobody around to hurt your teammates. also, harrow has a very obscure Synergy. if you have a companion, like a tenet hound, who cant use Tenacious bond, harrow's 4 will trigger Tenacious bond while its active.
Took a while to get him and his prime, but I'm having a lot of fun with Harrow. He is relatively popular on fanarts but I agree there aren't many Harrows out there. Ironically the only place I've seen him mentioned is from the long past of eidolon hunts, which is ironic since I can't find anything to get precision shots there to keep covenant up
He was part of the meta in eidolon hunts when they required 4 man squads to consistently do them. His role in the squad was just to press 4 and make the team invulnerable after each limb takedown when it would scream and do a bunch of damage.
Problem with calibans shield regen is that it doesnt work when they are fully depleted afaik. Thats when you would need it the most tho.
Yeah, I personally don't play Harrow much on account of I don't like his fashion, but for how many things that frame can do I am always surprised I don't see him far more often. One of the best nukes in the game with thermal sunder subsumed, can buff your fire rate and reload speed like Wisp AND 50% critical chance is insane to have on a frame.
It's because he's high maintenence to keep everything up. If there was an augment for his 3 that get you like half energy for squad kills then he'd see a hell of a lot more use.
Yoi used to fucking love playing Harrow. When I first got him, he nearly kicked Titania off the top of my list. He was my first pick for most mission types, only occasionally switching off of him during Spy and Exterminate missions. Eidolon Hunting and Hemocyte farming was a blast when I used him. Then, they just kept releasing awesome new Frames One after another. Garuda, Hildryn, Gauss, Wisp, Protea, Xaku, and Lavos, not to mention the fact I was getting my hands on older ones I hasn't played yet like Zephyr, and Atlas. Somewhere along the way, Harrow kinda just got left behind. I'm definitely going to pick him up again. I wonder if I have any of his Primed relics stashed away? Would be fun to farm the prime while using the OG.
>people talk about caliban like hes worse today than inaros was before his rework. Because he is. It's not about frames like Caliban being objectively terrible and unplayable. It's that when you ask "why should I invest into Caliban instead of literally any other frame?" there's no good justification except "I like him". Which is a perfectly valid one, but not from a balance standpoint. Inaros even before the rework had a niche of being the tank that requires the least effort. Slap Arcane Grace on him and a bunch of Health/Armor mods + Adaptation and you're virtually unkillable in any regular Steel Path mission with *literally zero* input. That's a niche. It's a reason to use the frame above all others. Caliban doesn't have a niche. He's not terrible, unplayable or whatever, but his kit has absolutely no point, everything he does is done better by other frames.
According to the 2023 usage statistics: * Zephyr Prime - 0.7% Regular - 0.34%
I started playing Zephyr solely because of her amazing deluxe skin and then realized how goated she is. Honestly, everyone reading this should at least give her a shot.
And it aint like zephyrs bad Honestly an s tier fame especially on def and mob def
Shes S-tier in general (personal bias aside). Shes just a frame that isn't a "click button and win" so people don't understand how utterly cracked she is. She is *functionally immune to all weapons fire* Ranged enemies cannot harm Zephyr at all as long as her 3 is up Like no messing around with overguard, no shield gating rubbish. You click 3 and not even beam weaponry touches her. Then you place her in the air. Either just jumping or hovering with her 1. Now she not only has massive crit buff, melee units cannot reach her. So with one ability and simply jumping (or a second ability) she becomes untouchable Then we get into her teo amazing CC abilities. Airburst is cracked, and tornadoes can do some insane things. Like how are people not realising a CC ability that when you shoot at it buffs then transfers all damage equally to every unit trapped inside it is amazing. Entire squad of enemies in your tornado cluster, shoot the tornado with a weapon built for guaranteed slash/status and every enemy in it melts. You don't have to AIM at each enemy trapped in the CC. You have damage "wifi". It would be like if Khoras cage have a little target sign and if you shoot it, it murders anything in the cage. I feel like loads of people tried Zephyr YEARS ago and just have never checked her out since her updates and assume shes the same
I think she isnt used alot because her gameplay feels kinda the same as khora, sit in one spot, have enemies walk in, kill. Just without the extra loot. So why not just use khora at this point?
Because you can move around with her. You don't HAVE to sit still. Make tornadoes roam and float around wrecking face
Also her tornado has a recursion feature where aoe procs caused by the damage into the tornado like electricity or gas will also feed back into the damage, and has the ability to proc hunter munitions if you critted with the original shot, meaning you effectively can infinitely scale your damage and do stupid amounts of dots
I believe this was nerfed, btw.
Yup. Only take my Zephyr for a ride with specific Riven challenges like aim glide (and even then, you can get the same result with any frame and specific mods)
Not underrated on "they need a buff" but more like "I've never seen anyone else playing this guy", probably Lavos. Solid dude, fun caster gameplay and the Cedo hits like e brick. It's been 4 years, so maybe he will get a bump of popularity when his Prime gets released around the next 4 primes
His new augment is straight up busted, too! Yeah, I'll take +200% corrosive damage with garunteed procs thank you!
With his new augment, I think he's one of the best all rounders in the game. He's great for railjack, profit taker, energy drain sorties, netracells, pretty much anything. He's the best frame I know that's not downright busted (like revenant).
Gyre
I wouldnt say gyre is underrated, but she doesn't do well with squads, and requires setup so short missions are not ideal for her
I run madurai on her(she already regens energy fine), so when I get into missions(i have preparation exilus) I instantly go into operator and switch back to get the cast speed and cast 3 4 in a very short time and start running. Gyre I'd say is THE best warframe for exterminate missions but does fall short in other missions where speed is valued more than killing enemies like capture/rescue/Sabotage for example
I would argue that saryn is slightly faster for exterminates, if you pair a kuva ogris with her. When i mentioned setup, i didnt mean energy, i meant getting enough molt stacks to fully strip, and increasing the timer on her 3 and 4 via kills. Gyre is amazing for exterminates though, i will use her sometimes if its an exterminate incursion, but for other missions (excluding endless) ill use someone else. I run PSF on most of my warframes, im an ex-eidolon hunter so i have way too many energy pads
Saryn 4 and spores takes time to kill, gyre as soon as she touches anyone the whole room explodes, with my gyre I have kept up with thermal sunder titania, gyre also has an amazing roll animation that unlike saryn and other normal rolls doesn't throw your momentum downwards, I will say gyre 100% falls of HARD against armored enemies later on, without armor strip she can't do grineer missions nearly as fast
On low levels, yeah gyre is faster. But on base SP, saryn would be faster, WITH OGRIS. I said with ogris for a reason. The spores can weaken enemies before you get in range, then ogris can wipe the crowd with a whole bunch of abilities at your disposal. For instance, i have a gas electric ogris specifically to be played with saryn. With her buffs i can make a tox electric gas corrosive viral/xata ogris. With 265% range my spores will be able to attach to enemies on the room next door, weakening their armour, almost stripping them fully when i get there, and this will continue spreading as long as her toxin lash is active. Fastest ive done a SP exterminate (with 140~ enemies) Is like a minute and 10 seconds, and that was with saryn. Titania will struggle nuking SP enemies with sunder, considering energy. Gyre will do amazing, but i promise you my saryn would be faster
Alr fair enough, I agree gyre won't be able to match in higher levels
And additionally, when I play Gyre in survival, I feel kinda bad for nuking every room I walk into, not leaving any mobs for my teammates to kill. Gara is the same, but worse in every way. Especially when the relic blessing gives you range and strength. You can nuke the two room radius area even on SP. So even if we all stand in one corner and mindlessly press the same buttons on repeat for two hours, all the drops are accumulated extremely far away even if you hold your 4 for half a second.
It's Zephyr and there's no contest. Have you seen how few people play her? lol
I tried her for the MR fodder and got frustrated with the floaty movement slowing me down while zipping through levels. I imagine that’s a common feeling among those who don’t play her.
Zephyr being so ignored is absolute heresy. You can become invincible to 90% of ennemies with just a button, you can an insane a of crit chance by just jumping and by god, with the right build and a few yellow Archon Shards you can straight up become a flying speedster.
Her main abilities / gameplay loop doesnt apply well for many mission types so shes not really suited as an allrounder and for the missions you would switch to a specific frame for where she WOULD do good, theres mostly another frame that does it even better imo.
What are you talking about? Even in fast paced mission types she can just be unkillable with her 3, group enemies with 2 and murder them all with free +150% crit chance (and the option of Airburst Rounds to give a HUGE damage buff to secondaries). She's also faster than most frames since there's usually at least one or two semi long areas you can instantly clear with her 1. And in any even remotely stationary mission her 4 murders everything.
Not as "careless unkillable" as rhino/revenant/nezha. No status/knockdown immunity. Grouping is pointless in most missions if you use aoe weapons, roar does more for you than some conditional cc, cant just go full strength and duration with no range and efficiency
Grendel. Despite the general concensus that he is a good warframe, I quite literally never see other Grendels in missions. I play a lot and have only ever seen like 2 other Grendels. It just seems strange.
Im still a newer player really but I feel like I don’t see much Hildryn at all like ever. I had trouble getting through steel path enemies and staying alive at times but she’s fixed that completely her abilities are just really good
Hildryn is okay, she has a nice armour strip and since you build strength on her anyways, dmg buffing abilities will fit on her perfectly. The issue with her though, is that on her own, she will struggle against high level enemies(500+) because she uses her shields as energy. No shields, no regenerating shields
Problem with Hyldrin is that her best ability can be put on every frame.
My bet is on Citrine. Rarely see others play her, but modded right (hint: she can use all the Archon mods) she's made Steel Path almost boring. Same with Sevagoth as Gloom is just top tier.
Nyx, she has great cc with her 3, can armour strip a couple of enemies with her 2, and her 4 is an "OH SHIT" button
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The reason people keep bringing up Zephyr is because there is no other frame with such a discrepancy between their performance (you’d be hard-pressed to find anyone who doesn’t rank her as an S/A tier frame) and play rate (1% total between her normal and prime versions apparently).
garuda, dagath, zephyr
Voruna. If you play disruption and sick of ash/Loki/Octavia/rev. Play voruna. She is insane.
So I used to main Trinity years ago but she just started to be overpowered by other frames like harrow or wisp and I stopped playing her and maining wisp, but this year I found a video about her and decided to watch it praising for it to be good, the video focused around her tankiness with the 3rd hability, 75% damage reduction on her 4th hability and so, the guy comented on how good she is at SP survival missions, being inmortal basically and killing everything easily with the occucor, wich I've got an almost god riven for also, also oneshoting the acolytes. I've tried this build and had lots of fun, I started soloing 3 hours SP survivals to open relics and farm steel essence (obviously I enjoy this kind of playstyle but I get it may not be for everyone), so yeah I've been able to return to my original main after many years and I'm happy for that, also enjoyed giving her a new fashionframe wich I also enjoy, and her fashion being really hard to pull was a great challenge, here it is for the curious: [https://i.imgur.com/mc8x97x.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/mc8x97x.jpeg) I'd like to add some buffs I believe she could have in the future for her to be a plausible option on this current meta, I would increase her damage reduction to 90%, maybe touch a bit the duration on said effect, also give her something usefull on her pasive, 25% speed on reviving allies and 50% distance for reviving is weak, i'll give her the overshield capacity doubled pasive that harrow has for example and add another gimmick or something sweet like other frames have, i'd also change her first hability because it has so little and specific uses that makes it the 100% target for subsumed habilities, I would change it for something else that allows us to still change it but that has some specific mod for a different build. This are just my thoughts, i'd appreciate feedback and ideas for her to still dream on what she could be xD
when this question comes up EVERYONE says zephyr yet still no one plays her. i feel like people enough people know shes good that i dont consider her underrated anymore
I'm still trying to figure out what to pair with her because her 3 and 4 are GREAT I just don't know how to get kills with her kit.
i would consult youtube tbh, her 4 has some weird mechanics and rules that let you abuse a few weapon/damage types. there might be an electric infinite scaling thing there or maybe an obscure incarnon interaction like the nova nuke. her 4 inherits elemental damage which is like prime real estate for bugs and niche loadouts. im not too familiar though cause i dont play her either lmao but other than that just keep 3 and 4 up, pull things in with airburst, and you can hover by holding 1 and her passive increases crit chance or smth
Vauban. He can effortlessly hit level cap. Dudes kit is insane and completely slept on because it's not ZOOM. He is a God I SP circuit.
I will evaluate this based on two metrics: * [Usage in 2023](https://www.warframe.com/2023stats) * How strong their potential actually is (armor stripping, pure damage potential, CC, ease of use/modding, etc). **Conclusion: Mag/Mag Prime** * Her usage is quite low despite being a starter Warframe, and significantly lower than her starter brothers * Her powers are quite straightforward and don't require a lot of modding to get great results * She can increase the damage of every weapon to hilarious level with Magnetize, and using Helminth ability like Breach Surge guarantees death within the bubble. * Crush is an AoE, no LoS CC dealing decent damage that also recovers shield to you and allies, including but not limited to Specters and living defense objectives (e.g. Sortie), and can easily give Overshields. * Fracturing Crush makes it even easier to restore shields while also fully stripping enemies in a single cast without needing insane power strength (only need 134% Str).
I'm gonna go with Yareli. Her launch was an absolute disaster that got her (deservedly) saddled with a reputation as a terrible and awful to play Warframe locked behind a bullshit quest that also drifted uncomfortably close to hentai at one point for some reason. Several years of QoL updates later, she's really quite strong. Her Sea Snares are a massive teamwide multiplicative damage buff, her Aquablades shred, and they have an Augment that can easily scale into viable endgame damage. I don't really play her, but if I had to pick the frame with the worst ratio of reputation to viability, it would be her.
Zephyr!! Play more Zephyr!!!!
Why? If i want to semi-afk sit in one spot for a survival or sth i will use khora.
Don't forget, Zephyr is also great for open world missions! Her 1 makes is easy to get around the map even if you don't have a archwing deployer, and her 3 makes her completely immune to bullets and lasers, so you don't have to worry about getting shot from every direction while doing a bounty. P.S. Also free150% critical chance DO NOT SLEEP ON ZEPHYR
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I think there are a couple, basing on many comments I see (though I'm not looking at all posts and such, so those might be changed as of recent): - Caliban: man is absolutely in need of help, but he is playable and can do some stuff. His 1 is garbage and 3 needs more utility (like better control over Sentients, commanding them what to do, and generally having them be a bit more impactful), 2 is alright (though could do without the target limit, no reason for it to be there), and 4 is good (perma strip for anything that touches the lingering field). - Lavos: I swear, every time I see Lavos mentioned, there is almost always a high upvoted comment mentioning how he is the definition of carpal tunnel syndrome, or "just a RJ pilot". That's why I benched him for long, I picked him up recently, and he's not nearly as button-heavy as I thought. I think most people look at his passive, think "so I have to press buttons 3 times for an ability and spam them constantly", when it's really not the case. Only combo you probably should do is 144 (Gas nuke), you can occasionally do 131 for Corrosive buff and app and reducing cooldown, and 122(jump) for Viral vial coverage. And if you can't be bothered by pressing many buttons? Lavos is tanky, grab Cedo, alt fire to spread statuses (or any other primer), press 144 for nuke, press 3 into another group of enemies, 1 into enemies, and any ability for element you want on Cedo (buff from augment) until nuke come back. You can play Lavos with lots of button presses, but thanks to his tankyness and especially with the new augment, he is not nearly as button-heavy as people say (and he's very fun). - Yareli, though I'm not sure if it's still the sentiment among players. She gained lots of glow-ups, and the only thing that remains annoying is that DE is refusing to make board feel better/more unique to use (perfectly shown with Loyal Merulina augment, which just strips Yareli of her identity instead of fixing the problems). However, she is good nowadays and perfectly playable, with good Nezha-esque tankyness, damage buff with bubbles and strong secondary buff passive. - Sevagoth: from what I've seen, people are still dismissing him for whatever reason. He used to be strong even beyond being Helminth food. With the somewhat new 1 augment, he is much stronger in all fields: either as a 1-2 nuke, weapons platform, hybrid, or pure Shadow (as his Shadow 3 applies the same debuff as normal form 1). And he's often dismissed because of apparent "huge forma investment" - I put 2 forma on his base, 1 onto Shadow, and none on claws, and he still shreds through SP with each of the builds (normal form nuke, dynamic hybrid or pure shadow).
Lavos
No one said atlas yet. With the incarnon melees he is a beast. Literally one punching sp stalkers and having faster roomclearing than even mesa or xaku. Maybe not as easily built than other frame and not a lot of build variety but when he works its insane. Oh and I almost forgot: he is the best extra loot frame out there
I'll play Atlas when they add auto melee to his punch
I just set the binding to mouse4 helps a lot
What gives atlas extra loot?
His aug for his 3. it scales with str
Oberon. Armour strip, CC, Armour out the wazoo and his augment makes him almost invincible (if you can survive for 90 seconds at a time)
I never figured out what oberon actually does xd
He's amazing. If you use his second ability you can CC, but if you use his 4th ability on top of his second it strips armour.. third ability makes him heal super quick and gives him a ton more armour.. so overall he's a potential DPS, potential crowd controller and potential support. He was my first SP frame hehe
I cane here to say Oberon. I noticed that most of people’s issues with him are that fir all of his abilities, there is a frame that does it better. That may be true but that’s just power creep. He never lost any viability, just got overshadowed and is old fashioned by Warframe standards. Also, whenever I have a defense with a mobile target or a high level rescue, he makes those missions trivial with how is healing works.
Limbo
Idk, i see limbo quite a lot.
limbo lol he’s actually cracked