I'd be okay with muskets. It's hard to sustain a level of anger necessary for murderousness while you're loading a musket. And everyone has already left or punched you in the face.
That's why you have multiple!
Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
Fun fact:
Any firearms manufactured before 1898 is legally an antique and isn't subject to ATF regulations. Same with all muzzleloading firearms. So yeah, the second amendment is not being infringed.
Another early revolving gun was created by James Puckle, a London lawyer, who patented what he called "The Puckle Gun" on May 15, 1718. It was a design for a manually operated 1.25 in. (32 mm) caliber, flintlock cannon with a revolver cylinder able to fire 6–11 rounds before reloading by swapping out the cylinder, intended for use on ships. It was one of the earliest weapons to be referred to as a machine gun, being called such in 1722, though its operation does not match the modern usage of the term. According to Puckle, it was able to fire round bullets at Christians and square bullets at Turks. However, it was a commercial failure and was not adopted or produced in any meaningful quantity.
In 1729, a report was written in France on a machine capable of firing 600 balls in a few minutes.
In 1720, a French inventor called Philippe Vayringe invented a small cannon that could fire 16 shots in succession, which he demonstrated before the Duke of Lorraine. In 1737, it was mentioned that Jacob de Weinholtz, a Dane who was serving in the Portuguese army, had invented a cannon capable of firing 20 to 30 shots a minute though requiring 15 people to work it. The cannons were brought along with a Portuguese fleet sent to India to take part in a colonial war in the 1740s. Also in 1737, it was mentioned that a German engineer had invented a 10-pounder cannon capable of firing 20 times in a minute. In 1740, a cannon able to shoot 11 times per minute was developed by a Frenchman called Chevalier de Benac. Meanwhile, not long after in England, in 1747 a cannon able to simultaneously charge and discharge itself 20 times in a minute was invented by James Allis and presented to the Royal Society of England. In 1750, in Denmark, a Prussian known as Captain Steuben of the Train of Artillery invented a breech-loading cannon worked by 4 people and fed by paper cartridges capable of firing 24 times in a minute and demonstrated it to the King of Denmark along with some other high-ranking officials in the same year. In 1764, Frenchman Ange Goudar wrote in his work The Chinese Spy that he had assisted in Paris in the proofing of a 'great gun' capable of firing 60 times in a minute. In 1773, another cannon capable of firing 23 or 24 times in a minute and cleaning itself after every shot was invented by Thomas Desaguliers. In 1775, it was mentioned that in England two large cannons invented by an unidentified matross at Woolwich had achieved a rate of fire of 59 shots in 59 and a half seconds.
Also in 1775, a breech-loading volley gun, similar to the later mitrailleuse, was invented by a Frenchman called Du Perron which was worked by 3 or 4 men and capable of discharging 24 barrels 10 times a minute for a total rate of fire of 240 shots per minute.
In 1776, a gun capable of charging and discharging itself 120 times 'by the motion of one hand only' in a minute was invented in England by an inventor from the county of Westmoreland.
In 1777, Philadelphia gunsmith Joseph Belton offered the Continental Congress a "new improved gun", which was capable of firing up to twenty shots in five seconds; unlike older repeaters using complex lever-action mechanisms, it used a simpler system of superposed loads, and was loaded with a single large paper cartridge. Congress requested that Belton modify 100 flintlock muskets to fire eight shots in this manner, but rescinded the order when Belton's price proved too high.
In 1779, a machine made up of 21 musket barrels worked by 3 men was produced by a British inventor called William Wilson Wright which he claimed could be fired 3 times quicker than a single man could load and fire a musket 3 times.
In 1788, a Swiss soldier invented a machine worked by 10 men capable of discharging 300 balls in 3 minutes.
Also in 1788, it was reported that a Prussian officer had invented a gun capable of firing 400 balls one after the other.
In 1790, a former officer in the French military known as Joseph-François-Louis Grobert invented a 'ballistic machine' or 'pyroballistic machine' with multiple barrels operated by 4 men and a continuous rotational movement capable of firing 360 rifle shots a minute in a variety of calibers.
In 1792, a French artist known as Renard invented a piece of ordnance that could be operated by one man and fired 90 shots a minute.
Also in 1792, a French mechanic called Garnier invented a musket battery made up of 15 barrels capable of firing 300 shots in 2 minutes for a total rate of fire of 150 shots a minute or 10 shots per minute per barrel and of being operated by one man.
It literally does not.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-2/
It says “ well regulated “ not well maintained but yes the 2a crowd loves to ignore the first sentence of the 2nd amendment.
Because it doesnt matter.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
"Since we dont want to have a federal army, local militias are necessary to defend each colonial state. Therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Dont hinge the argument on trying to parse the sentence to include words that arent there. The better argument is that, with the largest standing army in the world, its no longer necessary - no bunch of licquored up yokels are going to outperform the Army in defense of Kentucky.
What are you talking about? Machine guns were invented in the 1800s. The Gatling gun was invented in 1861. Machine guns were prevalent during WWI. While modern military small arms have full auto capabilities they are employed in semi auto. Crew served weapons are used in full auto just like they were way back in WWI.
Automatic infantry weapons practically didn't exist, there was like, 5 automatic infantry rifles in WW1 worldwide... and like several dozen semiautomatic infantry rifles in America alone... the post is about the 2nd amendment, nobody is gonna have a gatling gun sitting around
I'd be okay with muskets. It's hard to sustain a level of anger necessary for murderousness while you're loading a musket. And everyone has already left or punched you in the face.
That's why you have multiple! Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
You sir/madam are a literary genius!
Man, I wish I could take credit for that. It's a copypasta from eons ago.
Well it still works and I thank you for that!
Oh dang it. Better surrender my inline muzzle loader.
Ahh… An originalist!
Supreme Court said I can use a bump stock with my blunderbuss!
Fun fact: Any firearms manufactured before 1898 is legally an antique and isn't subject to ATF regulations. Same with all muzzleloading firearms. So yeah, the second amendment is not being infringed.
Another early revolving gun was created by James Puckle, a London lawyer, who patented what he called "The Puckle Gun" on May 15, 1718. It was a design for a manually operated 1.25 in. (32 mm) caliber, flintlock cannon with a revolver cylinder able to fire 6–11 rounds before reloading by swapping out the cylinder, intended for use on ships. It was one of the earliest weapons to be referred to as a machine gun, being called such in 1722, though its operation does not match the modern usage of the term. According to Puckle, it was able to fire round bullets at Christians and square bullets at Turks. However, it was a commercial failure and was not adopted or produced in any meaningful quantity. In 1729, a report was written in France on a machine capable of firing 600 balls in a few minutes. In 1720, a French inventor called Philippe Vayringe invented a small cannon that could fire 16 shots in succession, which he demonstrated before the Duke of Lorraine. In 1737, it was mentioned that Jacob de Weinholtz, a Dane who was serving in the Portuguese army, had invented a cannon capable of firing 20 to 30 shots a minute though requiring 15 people to work it. The cannons were brought along with a Portuguese fleet sent to India to take part in a colonial war in the 1740s. Also in 1737, it was mentioned that a German engineer had invented a 10-pounder cannon capable of firing 20 times in a minute. In 1740, a cannon able to shoot 11 times per minute was developed by a Frenchman called Chevalier de Benac. Meanwhile, not long after in England, in 1747 a cannon able to simultaneously charge and discharge itself 20 times in a minute was invented by James Allis and presented to the Royal Society of England. In 1750, in Denmark, a Prussian known as Captain Steuben of the Train of Artillery invented a breech-loading cannon worked by 4 people and fed by paper cartridges capable of firing 24 times in a minute and demonstrated it to the King of Denmark along with some other high-ranking officials in the same year. In 1764, Frenchman Ange Goudar wrote in his work The Chinese Spy that he had assisted in Paris in the proofing of a 'great gun' capable of firing 60 times in a minute. In 1773, another cannon capable of firing 23 or 24 times in a minute and cleaning itself after every shot was invented by Thomas Desaguliers. In 1775, it was mentioned that in England two large cannons invented by an unidentified matross at Woolwich had achieved a rate of fire of 59 shots in 59 and a half seconds. Also in 1775, a breech-loading volley gun, similar to the later mitrailleuse, was invented by a Frenchman called Du Perron which was worked by 3 or 4 men and capable of discharging 24 barrels 10 times a minute for a total rate of fire of 240 shots per minute. In 1776, a gun capable of charging and discharging itself 120 times 'by the motion of one hand only' in a minute was invented in England by an inventor from the county of Westmoreland. In 1777, Philadelphia gunsmith Joseph Belton offered the Continental Congress a "new improved gun", which was capable of firing up to twenty shots in five seconds; unlike older repeaters using complex lever-action mechanisms, it used a simpler system of superposed loads, and was loaded with a single large paper cartridge. Congress requested that Belton modify 100 flintlock muskets to fire eight shots in this manner, but rescinded the order when Belton's price proved too high. In 1779, a machine made up of 21 musket barrels worked by 3 men was produced by a British inventor called William Wilson Wright which he claimed could be fired 3 times quicker than a single man could load and fire a musket 3 times. In 1788, a Swiss soldier invented a machine worked by 10 men capable of discharging 300 balls in 3 minutes. Also in 1788, it was reported that a Prussian officer had invented a gun capable of firing 400 balls one after the other. In 1790, a former officer in the French military known as Joseph-François-Louis Grobert invented a 'ballistic machine' or 'pyroballistic machine' with multiple barrels operated by 4 men and a continuous rotational movement capable of firing 360 rifle shots a minute in a variety of calibers. In 1792, a French artist known as Renard invented a piece of ordnance that could be operated by one man and fired 90 shots a minute. Also in 1792, a French mechanic called Garnier invented a musket battery made up of 15 barrels capable of firing 300 shots in 2 minutes for a total rate of fire of 150 shots a minute or 10 shots per minute per barrel and of being operated by one man.
So what you're saying, in so many words, is that it's possible to have adequate protection using weaponry from then. Got it.
I own a musket for home defense
Specious argument. I can 3D PRINT better weapons...
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As long as they are part of a well maintained militia. I mean, it literally says that.
It literally does not. https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-2/ It says “ well regulated “ not well maintained but yes the 2a crowd loves to ignore the first sentence of the 2nd amendment.
Because it doesnt matter. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." "Since we dont want to have a federal army, local militias are necessary to defend each colonial state. Therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Dont hinge the argument on trying to parse the sentence to include words that arent there. The better argument is that, with the largest standing army in the world, its no longer necessary - no bunch of licquored up yokels are going to outperform the Army in defense of Kentucky.
I'd be down for a free musket
And they should all cost forty shillings and a tuppans by gum!
Does that mean I can keep and arm bears?
Honestly guns should have stopped at the WW1 level... where anything faster than semiautomatic was pretty uncommon
Machine guns didn’t see heavy use during WWI?
That's like, when they were invented... it was on the very front lines, as opposed to now where almost every weapon is automatic
What are you talking about? Machine guns were invented in the 1800s. The Gatling gun was invented in 1861. Machine guns were prevalent during WWI. While modern military small arms have full auto capabilities they are employed in semi auto. Crew served weapons are used in full auto just like they were way back in WWI.
Automatic infantry weapons practically didn't exist, there was like, 5 automatic infantry rifles in WW1 worldwide... and like several dozen semiautomatic infantry rifles in America alone... the post is about the 2nd amendment, nobody is gonna have a gatling gun sitting around
Crew served weapons are part of infantry use. They are infantry weapons and there were plenty of machine guns available.