Okay so you don’t have a job, you can get EBT and that’ll cover your food. Just make the hike into town once a month or so for supplies. Go by the library, etc.
Then I get to spend my days tinkering with the cabin, frolicking in ALL the fields, and reading books.
That sounds like heaven. Winter might kinda suck but a good enough fireplace/firepit and enough wood should suffice.
I plan on working till 75, but like to start working less on my 50th. So I can work like 3 days 5 hours a day on 75. I just really like my work.
I wouldn't have these thoughts if I dreaded work each day.
Because if their father did it and their father's father did it they should have to as well and damn it so should their children. People SAY they want a better future for the next generation but when you try to put it into practice you're met with nothing but resistance. They'll say the younger generation is weak, feckless, entitled, and lazy. They just want us to feel the same pain they felt.
The rich and republican are selling that idea in order to reform "entitlements" and raise the age people can collect SS and Medicare. They have to pay for Trumps tax cuts somehow.
You are entitled to it _because_ you paid into it. That's why social security is an entitlement.
Don't let the right redefine words to suit their narrative. Fight back against new speak.
No no no, that wasn't for you. What you paid was for them.
They get everything they were promised. Cause you know, no-takesie-backies, but of course before there were takesie-backies, but we closed that up after our takesie-backies.
But anyway, you can't lein the government. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ what're you gonna do anyway so. BuhBye.
Not enough social security funds, low income jobs, jobs that don't offer retirement options or provide sufficient benefits, immigrants that aren't able to apply for assistance...the list is long.
Australia is just as bad, they've already raised our retirement age and our social security is woefully low and our society has been conditioned to consider anyone on benifits as the enemy, also they've stripped Medicare to half or more of what it used to provide public housing is non existant, Australia is not the country I grew up in
I agree Australia is still better than the US but we are fast catching up and I worry not for myself because Ill be dead but I worry for the grandkids and the country they'll have to live in 😁👍
If nobody works, there can be no tax base to support them. Social Security is already financially crumbling. It's not that I don't agree that people should be able to retire after working all their life, it's that (at least in the US) Wall Street, the military industrial complex, the corporate owned political machine, take almost all of the money (the tax base and earned wages) and they want more, really ALL of it. The world is not going to change, it never has. Very few revolutions have taken root and remained uncorrupted. You have to cultivate a means of survival within the construct that exists, that seems to be the only path to freedom from work. At the same time your approach needs to be nuanced and creative to beat the system to allow you the financial freedom to escape the work world machine. Running with the pack will only keep you shackled to the system, the hardest job you will ever have is finding a way around it.
Depends. My dad couldn’t wait to retire.
My mum retired from her job then went back to work a few weeks later because she wasn’t seeing enough people. She did a mix of part time work in one place and volunteering elsewhere. So she got some extra income and socialised.
I made it 2 months into retirement as an electrician. Was offered a part-time teaching position at a local high school, and I love it! I have a reason to get up every morning and hope to continue teaching into my 70's.
Exactly. I think it depends on the individual. At the moment I’m due to retire in under 20 years. All being well I won’t be retiring though. Even if I drop to minimum hours I’d rather keep doing what I do.
The people retiring now, who do they think is paying for it? Us working class. It’s on our backs. They’re trying to fool us into believing we’re working for our retirement, but Medicare is paid for through our tax money. So, of course they want us to fund their retirement. But what about us? I have no savings account, no retirement, I’m living paycheck to paycheck. Who isn’t these days? But, I certainly am not under the impression there’s this magical point I’ll reach in my life where I won’t have to work to survive. There is no more American dream.
For a some of old folks work is their purpose (sad, i know) and that's where they see their fulfillment and once they retire they kinda lose that sence of purpose and start slowly dying. Some just want company, and work part time just to see people. That being said that is not the case for majority, majority is working past retirement cause they can't afford to stop. And that's just straight up evil. We work our whole damn lives just to exist and can't afford to stop, ridiculous 😒
Because they don't know how the rich live.
Most pepole assume that the rich are busybodies all day round because that's how they got their wealth. The truth is 99% of rich people are slackers that inherited their wealth and are doing nothing valuable all year round.
I've always viewed work as what it is, a way to fund my life.
My goal has always been simple - fund my retirement so I can keep living the lifestyle that I have right now. Maybe even better if I invest well.
In my mind, that's called winning. I'm a winner if I hit that goal. We can all be winners. Nobody has to lose for me to win.
I've never hated my job. I've liked it. I have been good at it. And I like the people I do it with. But it has always been a means to an end.
But some people just get some additional "satisfaction" from their job. On one hand, good for them I guess. But, in my opinion, that makes them a little susceptible to being manipulated by the company. Their job is more to them than an engine for income. To them a demotion in responsibility would crush them. As long as it doesn't affect my income I couldn't care less.
**Retire when you want. But your time and your life is a limited resource. You don't get it back.** And if you choose to give that time to a company instead of using it for yourself I don't want to hear you on your death bed complaining about the things that you should have done.
That was your decision. It was a decision that you made.
Make good decisions.
I mean some people need mental stimulation they enjoy, and some people enjoy work. It’s not what I will be doing, but if you’re passionate about certain types of work, I can see doing it part time even if you wouldn’t need to.
I get this is r/antiwork, but I didn’t think the point of this sub was to eliminate work completely, but more eliminate work as a necessity.
My mother was a nurse. She worked 3 day a week till she was 70 and then they had a mandatory retirement age. She didn't need the money, she loved helping people and it was part of her social life.
Everyone is different - don't try to make everyone fit into one box.
Yeah, I love my job and will likely continue doing something related to it for as long as I can, paid or not. I work in public service and sometimes still volunteer in addition to work.
I agree that it sucks that I’m not paid better and that some public services require employees to work for low wages or volunteer bc we (Americans) are horrible at funding public services. So that part of it sucks. But the work I do is still important and helpful. Even though I may wish I was better paid for it, I don’t think I’ve been fooled when I get a sense of purpose and fulfillment from work.
I don't think you know the purpose of r/antiwork. It's not to tell people when they should or should not work, it's to have options and to prevent exploitation. You are not the arbiter of what is "acceptable."
I don't think you are actually listening to the responses to your rant.
u/CommonSense0303 gave a very common sense reason why *some* people continue to work. You just simply moved the goal posts and now made it a case of 'forcing' people to work.
Bullshit. Are you assuming everyone is so stupid they can't make major decisions based on their unique situation?
Only you can see what is actually going on?
I'm not the only person who feels this way. I'm not special or unique. But when people have no choice it's often easier to believe they do to make it livable.
> I'm not the only person who feels this way
There are countless people feeling countless ways.
> But when people have no choice it's often easier to believe they do to make it livable.
You're not listening - for example to the previous person about their mother. Many people have all the money they want or need - but actually love their profession. Just because you cannot grasp the concept does not make it invalid.
How exactly is capitalism forcing people to work in these cases?
You seem confused. You are whining about capitalism, then mock someone for not being an American and living in a more socialist country. A country that provides healthcare so a person is not forced to stay in a job to receive medical insurance.
You moan about capitalism and then someone having less capitalism.
I plan on doing some form of part-time work after retirement, because I don't think I could handle just sitting around my house with my wife waiting to die. There really is nothing I would rather be doing when I can retire.
Because they believe they will somehow be one of the “lucky” people who essentially turn their job into running labor camps. And then they “don’t have to work anyway.” It’s usually because they don’t mind the idea of others working to do everything for them, as if that’s not sadistic af.
If I could afford to, I would retire this very moment.
I don't believe humans were meant to spend the very best years of their lives working, especially for the rubbish wages so many are being paid at the moment.
Alas, I don't see anything changing to improve the situation.
It's often more just a widespread acceptance of the necessity, due to rampant poverty in old age.
The idea of work equaling fulfillment or purpose has always been backseat to the reality that people need the money that comes from work.
Of the two major groups that are affected, the largest by far will tell you they personally have no choice and have to work for their own survival. These are usually cashiers, Walmart greeters, janitors, and so on. They have few if any assets mostly.
The smaller group will tell you they personally want to work, it's not hard for them, and they genuinely love what they do, and they are top of their game. This group is diverse but is generally much much more well-off than the first group. These are doctors, professors, writers, artists, and so on.
Society brainwashed people into believing work = success = fulfilment.
If you are not working you have no purpose and are a leech on the rest of society.
It's not true, but that is what people are collectively forced into believing.
They can't comprehend living a full and happy life when all your needs are met I.e. basic income, housing, health.
It's a big reason why UBI is still not a thing.
My BIL fits this. He’s high up in an executive role. He has power and influence at work. He gets all his energy there. Why would he want to give that up? He told me he’ll work until he can’t anymore.
I know a few people who don't seem to have any independent idea of what they want to do and they *like* continuing to work as it gives them purpose. I've always preferred to do what *I want to do* instead of what someone else tells me to do, so I think these old age workaholics are wired very differently from me.
>Do they not realize they've been conditioned to think that work equals fulfillment/purpose?
Simple answer. No. They don't. Many people are not self-aware and don't question things.
They’re just miserable assholes.
I remember a decade ago the justification for raising the retirement was because people were living longer. Oh wow, so you want people to work until they die? What an airtight argument!
I’m turning 60 next month and I am blessed to be healthy enough to work full time as a carpenter. The job is exhausting but also I am in top physical condition and I look 10 years younger than my age plus the money is fantastic!
At my current pace my retirement projection says I’ll have 850k when I’m 67. That’s only long enough for like 20 years IF I budget. SS won’t be around when I reach retirement and I’ll probably have to work into my 70s. American dream is dead
I am still in my mid 40s but have a military pension and VA benefits to lean on. I still plan on working as long as I am able to as long as I am still self employed. If my health gives out on me I will still volunteer to do things for other veterans or charity groups, etc.
I like to work for myself now ,just a little,it's good to keep active for mind and body but working for an employer ,fuck that with a sharp stick.
My hair started growing back the day I told the boss to go fuck himself .
Maybe I’m just naive, but I have always thought that people either worked into retirement either because they have no other choice or work is so ingrained into them that the idea of not working is terrifying.
I’m working until I can retire. When I can retire, I’m going to stop working. I’m hoping that’s sooner than later, but I’m guessing at least 65, hopefully not much older.
because many retired persons could feel empty or alone, especially if their partner died
I have seen many just sitting at home watching TV or go to the local supermarket and play the lottery. But, the ones I know working say how fun and happy it makes them
So the opportunity should be there, IF you want it. Being like 67 those days isnt like 30 years ago
Because the bourgeoisie brainwashed a large portion of the working class. They're sitting by a pool having Champaign while we're working ourselves to death to pay for it all.
It behooves people at the top (who have the money and power to do what they like much easier) to have a large, compliant underclass whose labor they can exploit. Also, the Puritan ideals are still a strong through line in American thought. And it also helps these same exploiters to play off that and try to frame people who don’t wish to labor until their dying breath as “lazy”.
Defend it? No, but I’m not bashing anyone who keeps working. Some of them that interaction is all that’s keeping them alive and some were so bad with money or was expecting money from retirement and we all know these days that’s not enough.
As boomers have ruined the economy, I have no objection to them working until they die on the work room floor with ne vacations for years before. Get rekt
I don’t know what I’d do if I retire. I just like to have something to do that helps make other people’s lives easier. Being retired doesn’t sound appealing.
You might volunteer. Lots of organizations need help.
You might find that you have a lot of household projects that need your attention.
You might get together with friends and family on a more regular basis. Even reconnecting with people you had lost track of.
You will fill your time - you will fill **YOUR TIME** - with the things that make you happy.
I'd be fine sitting on a park bench feeding ducks 10 hours a day. Even if it's raining and the ducks are crapping on me, it's still better than a day working.
its a social thing for some.
For other's its desperation.
Not much in between, sadly. Maybe the jerk/troll, who after years of work, wants to hang on to fuck people off?
Few old heads are gonna wanna 'work' until they no longer can. To me, that's more a privledge and as long as this fuckin' workaholic is getting it done, I guess it's not an issue, but it is sad to see. A life of labor, just because? Fuck that.
Not to justify people having to work past retirement, but there are cases were people want to keep working because they truly enjoy the work they do. Those are the lucky few though.
There are several people in my company who are well past retirement age and still working. I know that financially they don't have to. It's a choice. I recognize that it isn't a choice for everyone and that a lot of people are working past retirement age due to necessity - for these people, that is not the case. Every single one says that they enjoy what they do and they want to continue to contribute to society as long as they can. So yes, they have bought into the idea that work = purpose. We work for an engineering company, and while we are a good company, we aren't saving the world or anything. There are a lot of ways people can contribute to society other than doing this job everyday.
That's true, but I've learned that there are limits to what you can do as a volunteer. Sometimes you become so effective at your company that it truly is the place you produce the most value, even if you're not saving the world. Earning that money and donating it to nonprofits who do have professional expertise may be a better use of time than trying to volunteer. It's often less about "purpose" and more about staying busy.
When I started working in the 70's (years not age) one of the fellow tradesmen hollered at an old timer asking him why he was still working. He said to him "We fought for a 30 year pension to allow us to hire workers when you retire!" The old timer looked down and wasn't about to tell him he was supporting his relative (found out from another coworker).
Years later while having coffee with the one that did the hollering, I asked him how many years he had there. He said "35". I then yelled at him the same way he hollered at the old timer.
luckily I was quick on my feet to run away.
I HAVE NO CLUE. Go to the r/retirement subreddit and just look at the people not wanting to retire or discussing when they should.
It’s absurd.
I work in distributions and everyone should be retiring and taking their money and running as soon as they hit 59 1/2 or NRA.
A lot of people who are forced to retire at a specific age when they're not ready to stop working develop serious health problems. Both mental and physical. If you want to retire then go ahead but some people just like working. It let's them solve problems, feel useful, socialise etc.
I think I read somewhere that it is quite normal to work in old age in Japan and Japan has longer life expectancy than most countries so it can't be too bad right.
Again, if you hate working and can afford to retire, then retire. Unfortunately, a lot of people can't afford to retire. I'm probably going to be someone that if opportunities present itself then I'll work into old age but I would never expect anyone else to.
For some it's copeium they can't afford to retire so they rationalize it as a form of honor. I'm instead just learning to live without and working jobs I enjoy. I now work seasonally as a naturalist, go to South East Asia in my off season and live in a tiny trailer for half the cost of rent in my area in America, learnnng to live with less has done wonders for my health.
Some dont have a choice; some actually enjoy their jobs.
I've known people who retired very well off go into education just for the fun of it and to add to others' lives. Several of my professors retired from their personal businesses contracting with the DOD, just to help the younger generation find their footing. This isn't the only example, just an easier one for someone who's obviously not found a job they've enjoyed to imagine.
Some people actually like their work and find it interesting, satisfying and challenging. All work doesn't suck, of course, there are many, many jobs that do. But working into whatever age doesn't need defending if you like it.
It's nuanced, in my opinion, and varies from person to person.
What one individual enjoys, will not be what others enjoy. One may want to sit on a beach and read, while another wants to work and be productive.
It's like asking, how come an introvert doesn't like going out every Friday and Satuday evening after working all week.
Secondly, retirement (no longer working) is fairly "modern" in terms of our economies. Really starting with the industrial revolution (according to GPT).
>As social systems evolved, especially with the industrial revolution and changes in labor dynamics, "retirement" began to be specifically associated with leaving one's occupation permanently, typically on the basis of age and often supported by a pension system. This concept was notably institutionalized with systems like the German pension plan introduced by Otto von Bismarck in the 1880s, which is considered one of the first formal governmental retirement systems.
Call me crazy, but I think I'd actually rather work past retirement doing something I loved, than retire early after spending my life doing something I hated. I think that's the real problem that wealth disparity creates: people can't do things they care about or are good at, they just have to do whatever wage slave job to survive so that the mega-rich can buy more yachts. If we had a more equal share of wealth, we'd be able to do things we cared about. Ideally we'd not work at all, but that seems way out of reach.
I'm not against the idea of working after retirement age, if you enjoy working or want to live a more expensive lifestyle.
I'm against the idea of needing to work after retirement age to survive.
Sounds like you have never had a decent job or you’re lazy! It not really being conditioned to think work equals fulfillment , for some people fulfillment means being able to do a have the things they want.
I plan on working until I'm 70 or 72, because I have grown accustomed to living indoors and would like to continue to do so.
And eating foods
Idk those tiktoks of the guys who go in the woods and build a whole ass cabin are starting to look awfully nice
Yeeh
And then you have to work (for yourself) all the time to keep the cabin liveable.
Okay so you don’t have a job, you can get EBT and that’ll cover your food. Just make the hike into town once a month or so for supplies. Go by the library, etc. Then I get to spend my days tinkering with the cabin, frolicking in ALL the fields, and reading books. That sounds like heaven. Winter might kinda suck but a good enough fireplace/firepit and enough wood should suffice.
Do you don’t want to work, but you want to make use of other people’s contribution to the government? Get lost, commie./s
Food things.
Yeeh
I need to, because my mortgage won't be paid off until then, and I have no pension pot.
You mean until 10 years before retirement by 2060 standards ?
I plan on working till 75, but like to start working less on my 50th. So I can work like 3 days 5 hours a day on 75. I just really like my work. I wouldn't have these thoughts if I dreaded work each day.
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Because if their father did it and their father's father did it they should have to as well and damn it so should their children. People SAY they want a better future for the next generation but when you try to put it into practice you're met with nothing but resistance. They'll say the younger generation is weak, feckless, entitled, and lazy. They just want us to feel the same pain they felt.
The rich and republican are selling that idea in order to reform "entitlements" and raise the age people can collect SS and Medicare. They have to pay for Trumps tax cuts somehow.
Not "entitlements." Nobody is giving me anything. I have paid for my social security and my Medicare every two weeks. In cash.
There's a reason they phrase it as "entitlements" even though the program is supposed to pay for itself.
But the USPS loses money every year! How can we let government spend money when it doesn't MAKE money‽
[... are you being serious?](https://ips-dc.org/how-congress-manufactured-a-postal-crisis-and-how-to-fix-it/)
I don't blame you. These rediculous statements are taken as true talking points now. /s, if you really need it.
You are entitled to it. That's why it's called an entitlement. It's yours.
It's interesting how politicians have changed the meaning of the word to suit themselves.
Entitlement is different than ownership. You are entitled to social security, but you do not own the money you put into it.
I would like to read your definition of national debt.
I never suggested otherwise. You only own the money that comes out of it as it's a pay ahead program.
You are entitled to it _because_ you paid into it. That's why social security is an entitlement. Don't let the right redefine words to suit their narrative. Fight back against new speak.
No no no, that wasn't for you. What you paid was for them. They get everything they were promised. Cause you know, no-takesie-backies, but of course before there were takesie-backies, but we closed that up after our takesie-backies. But anyway, you can't lein the government. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ what're you gonna do anyway so. BuhBye.
Some people don’t have a choice. Depending solely on social security is not enough to get by on.
That’s an argument for fixing social security and fighting back against 30 years of cuts, not for telling everyone to work longer
I understand that. But that shouldn't be a road block to retirement.
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Not enough social security funds, low income jobs, jobs that don't offer retirement options or provide sufficient benefits, immigrants that aren't able to apply for assistance...the list is long.
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Australia is just as bad, they've already raised our retirement age and our social security is woefully low and our society has been conditioned to consider anyone on benifits as the enemy, also they've stripped Medicare to half or more of what it used to provide public housing is non existant, Australia is not the country I grew up in
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I agree Australia is still better than the US but we are fast catching up and I worry not for myself because Ill be dead but I worry for the grandkids and the country they'll have to live in 😁👍
Pls I’m laughing so hard rn.
The alternative is living in a tent and eating cat food. Very few people want to work into their golden years I would think.
That's my point. People should be able to retire after working most of their life. It's fucked up that so many people can't.
I hear ya but the reality is this is not how it works
If nobody works, there can be no tax base to support them. Social Security is already financially crumbling. It's not that I don't agree that people should be able to retire after working all their life, it's that (at least in the US) Wall Street, the military industrial complex, the corporate owned political machine, take almost all of the money (the tax base and earned wages) and they want more, really ALL of it. The world is not going to change, it never has. Very few revolutions have taken root and remained uncorrupted. You have to cultivate a means of survival within the construct that exists, that seems to be the only path to freedom from work. At the same time your approach needs to be nuanced and creative to beat the system to allow you the financial freedom to escape the work world machine. Running with the pack will only keep you shackled to the system, the hardest job you will ever have is finding a way around it.
Depends. My dad couldn’t wait to retire. My mum retired from her job then went back to work a few weeks later because she wasn’t seeing enough people. She did a mix of part time work in one place and volunteering elsewhere. So she got some extra income and socialised.
I made it 2 months into retirement as an electrician. Was offered a part-time teaching position at a local high school, and I love it! I have a reason to get up every morning and hope to continue teaching into my 70's.
Exactly. I think it depends on the individual. At the moment I’m due to retire in under 20 years. All being well I won’t be retiring though. Even if I drop to minimum hours I’d rather keep doing what I do.
Your mom does realize that you can socialize and not work also… right??
Clearly but she enjoys helping people at her work.
The people retiring now, who do they think is paying for it? Us working class. It’s on our backs. They’re trying to fool us into believing we’re working for our retirement, but Medicare is paid for through our tax money. So, of course they want us to fund their retirement. But what about us? I have no savings account, no retirement, I’m living paycheck to paycheck. Who isn’t these days? But, I certainly am not under the impression there’s this magical point I’ll reach in my life where I won’t have to work to survive. There is no more American dream.
Because someone has to make the donuts
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For a some of old folks work is their purpose (sad, i know) and that's where they see their fulfillment and once they retire they kinda lose that sence of purpose and start slowly dying. Some just want company, and work part time just to see people. That being said that is not the case for majority, majority is working past retirement cause they can't afford to stop. And that's just straight up evil. We work our whole damn lives just to exist and can't afford to stop, ridiculous 😒
Because they don't know how the rich live. Most pepole assume that the rich are busybodies all day round because that's how they got their wealth. The truth is 99% of rich people are slackers that inherited their wealth and are doing nothing valuable all year round.
I've always viewed work as what it is, a way to fund my life. My goal has always been simple - fund my retirement so I can keep living the lifestyle that I have right now. Maybe even better if I invest well. In my mind, that's called winning. I'm a winner if I hit that goal. We can all be winners. Nobody has to lose for me to win. I've never hated my job. I've liked it. I have been good at it. And I like the people I do it with. But it has always been a means to an end. But some people just get some additional "satisfaction" from their job. On one hand, good for them I guess. But, in my opinion, that makes them a little susceptible to being manipulated by the company. Their job is more to them than an engine for income. To them a demotion in responsibility would crush them. As long as it doesn't affect my income I couldn't care less. **Retire when you want. But your time and your life is a limited resource. You don't get it back.** And if you choose to give that time to a company instead of using it for yourself I don't want to hear you on your death bed complaining about the things that you should have done. That was your decision. It was a decision that you made. Make good decisions.
Because those people don't think they will have any trouble retiring. They're ok with everyone else working until they die
Maybe if the politicians pay back the money they took in the 1980’s we can talk.
I mean some people need mental stimulation they enjoy, and some people enjoy work. It’s not what I will be doing, but if you’re passionate about certain types of work, I can see doing it part time even if you wouldn’t need to. I get this is r/antiwork, but I didn’t think the point of this sub was to eliminate work completely, but more eliminate work as a necessity.
My mother was a nurse. She worked 3 day a week till she was 70 and then they had a mandatory retirement age. She didn't need the money, she loved helping people and it was part of her social life. Everyone is different - don't try to make everyone fit into one box.
Yeah, I love my job and will likely continue doing something related to it for as long as I can, paid or not. I work in public service and sometimes still volunteer in addition to work. I agree that it sucks that I’m not paid better and that some public services require employees to work for low wages or volunteer bc we (Americans) are horrible at funding public services. So that part of it sucks. But the work I do is still important and helpful. Even though I may wish I was better paid for it, I don’t think I’ve been fooled when I get a sense of purpose and fulfillment from work.
This is r/antiwork
I don't think you know the purpose of r/antiwork. It's not to tell people when they should or should not work, it's to have options and to prevent exploitation. You are not the arbiter of what is "acceptable."
And I think forcing people to work into retirement age is exploitation
I don't think you are actually listening to the responses to your rant. u/CommonSense0303 gave a very common sense reason why *some* people continue to work. You just simply moved the goal posts and now made it a case of 'forcing' people to work.
Capitalism forces people to work and convinces them they have a choice
Bullshit. Are you assuming everyone is so stupid they can't make major decisions based on their unique situation? Only you can see what is actually going on?
I'm not the only person who feels this way. I'm not special or unique. But when people have no choice it's often easier to believe they do to make it livable.
> I'm not the only person who feels this way There are countless people feeling countless ways. > But when people have no choice it's often easier to believe they do to make it livable. You're not listening - for example to the previous person about their mother. Many people have all the money they want or need - but actually love their profession. Just because you cannot grasp the concept does not make it invalid. How exactly is capitalism forcing people to work in these cases?
Take a class or something. I'm not here to educate you.
You seem confused. You are whining about capitalism, then mock someone for not being an American and living in a more socialist country. A country that provides healthcare so a person is not forced to stay in a job to receive medical insurance. You moan about capitalism and then someone having less capitalism.
I plan on doing some form of part-time work after retirement, because I don't think I could handle just sitting around my house with my wife waiting to die. There really is nothing I would rather be doing when I can retire.
Not everyone is forced… Many people love the company they work for and want to stay as long as possible.
I know a few people like that. I'll never understand it, but they exist.
What can’t you understand about a company that actually cares for its employees? They do exist, in large amounts too.
Some people dont understand the concept of liking the work you do.
Who will pay for these people to retire?
You did not even read my post. Don't come on here all uppity about your personal preferences. Come here to listen and learn.
Pls shut up frfr. She didn’t need the money? Well some of us aren’t pissing money are we
Why do people get mad at folks who are on disability? We live in a country where the value one has is based solely on what they do.
Nah I’ll just off myself when it gets unsustainably expensive. Quit a month early before doing stuff I wanted to do then check out. Simple.
Because they believe they will somehow be one of the “lucky” people who essentially turn their job into running labor camps. And then they “don’t have to work anyway.” It’s usually because they don’t mind the idea of others working to do everything for them, as if that’s not sadistic af.
Because they are too lazy to try to fight for something different. So they crap over those who do.
If I could afford to, I would retire this very moment. I don't believe humans were meant to spend the very best years of their lives working, especially for the rubbish wages so many are being paid at the moment. Alas, I don't see anything changing to improve the situation.
It's often more just a widespread acceptance of the necessity, due to rampant poverty in old age. The idea of work equaling fulfillment or purpose has always been backseat to the reality that people need the money that comes from work. Of the two major groups that are affected, the largest by far will tell you they personally have no choice and have to work for their own survival. These are usually cashiers, Walmart greeters, janitors, and so on. They have few if any assets mostly. The smaller group will tell you they personally want to work, it's not hard for them, and they genuinely love what they do, and they are top of their game. This group is diverse but is generally much much more well-off than the first group. These are doctors, professors, writers, artists, and so on.
Society brainwashed people into believing work = success = fulfilment. If you are not working you have no purpose and are a leech on the rest of society. It's not true, but that is what people are collectively forced into believing. They can't comprehend living a full and happy life when all your needs are met I.e. basic income, housing, health. It's a big reason why UBI is still not a thing.
Capitalism mostly.
My BIL fits this. He’s high up in an executive role. He has power and influence at work. He gets all his energy there. Why would he want to give that up? He told me he’ll work until he can’t anymore.
I know a few people who don't seem to have any independent idea of what they want to do and they *like* continuing to work as it gives them purpose. I've always preferred to do what *I want to do* instead of what someone else tells me to do, so I think these old age workaholics are wired very differently from me.
>Do they not realize they've been conditioned to think that work equals fulfillment/purpose? Simple answer. No. They don't. Many people are not self-aware and don't question things.
They’re just miserable assholes. I remember a decade ago the justification for raising the retirement was because people were living longer. Oh wow, so you want people to work until they die? What an airtight argument!
I’m turning 60 next month and I am blessed to be healthy enough to work full time as a carpenter. The job is exhausting but also I am in top physical condition and I look 10 years younger than my age plus the money is fantastic!
At my current pace my retirement projection says I’ll have 850k when I’m 67. That’s only long enough for like 20 years IF I budget. SS won’t be around when I reach retirement and I’ll probably have to work into my 70s. American dream is dead
I am still in my mid 40s but have a military pension and VA benefits to lean on. I still plan on working as long as I am able to as long as I am still self employed. If my health gives out on me I will still volunteer to do things for other veterans or charity groups, etc.
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I like to work for myself now ,just a little,it's good to keep active for mind and body but working for an employer ,fuck that with a sharp stick. My hair started growing back the day I told the boss to go fuck himself .
I dont see problem if you like your job. Problem comes when you have to do it because you are forced to.
Because they don’t have to do it.
Maybe I’m just naive, but I have always thought that people either worked into retirement either because they have no other choice or work is so ingrained into them that the idea of not working is terrifying. I’m working until I can retire. When I can retire, I’m going to stop working. I’m hoping that’s sooner than later, but I’m guessing at least 65, hopefully not much older.
because many retired persons could feel empty or alone, especially if their partner died I have seen many just sitting at home watching TV or go to the local supermarket and play the lottery. But, the ones I know working say how fun and happy it makes them So the opportunity should be there, IF you want it. Being like 67 those days isnt like 30 years ago
Healthcare costs and financial security. Its all about cash flow.
Because the bourgeoisie brainwashed a large portion of the working class. They're sitting by a pool having Champaign while we're working ourselves to death to pay for it all.
It behooves people at the top (who have the money and power to do what they like much easier) to have a large, compliant underclass whose labor they can exploit. Also, the Puritan ideals are still a strong through line in American thought. And it also helps these same exploiters to play off that and try to frame people who don’t wish to labor until their dying breath as “lazy”.
Defend it? No, but I’m not bashing anyone who keeps working. Some of them that interaction is all that’s keeping them alive and some were so bad with money or was expecting money from retirement and we all know these days that’s not enough.
As boomers have ruined the economy, I have no objection to them working until they die on the work room floor with ne vacations for years before. Get rekt
I don’t know what I’d do if I retire. I just like to have something to do that helps make other people’s lives easier. Being retired doesn’t sound appealing.
You might volunteer. Lots of organizations need help. You might find that you have a lot of household projects that need your attention. You might get together with friends and family on a more regular basis. Even reconnecting with people you had lost track of. You will fill your time - you will fill **YOUR TIME** - with the things that make you happy.
I'd be fine sitting on a park bench feeding ducks 10 hours a day. Even if it's raining and the ducks are crapping on me, it's still better than a day working.
its a social thing for some. For other's its desperation. Not much in between, sadly. Maybe the jerk/troll, who after years of work, wants to hang on to fuck people off? Few old heads are gonna wanna 'work' until they no longer can. To me, that's more a privledge and as long as this fuckin' workaholic is getting it done, I guess it's not an issue, but it is sad to see. A life of labor, just because? Fuck that.
Not to justify people having to work past retirement, but there are cases were people want to keep working because they truly enjoy the work they do. Those are the lucky few though.
There are several people in my company who are well past retirement age and still working. I know that financially they don't have to. It's a choice. I recognize that it isn't a choice for everyone and that a lot of people are working past retirement age due to necessity - for these people, that is not the case. Every single one says that they enjoy what they do and they want to continue to contribute to society as long as they can. So yes, they have bought into the idea that work = purpose. We work for an engineering company, and while we are a good company, we aren't saving the world or anything. There are a lot of ways people can contribute to society other than doing this job everyday.
That's true, but I've learned that there are limits to what you can do as a volunteer. Sometimes you become so effective at your company that it truly is the place you produce the most value, even if you're not saving the world. Earning that money and donating it to nonprofits who do have professional expertise may be a better use of time than trying to volunteer. It's often less about "purpose" and more about staying busy.
I don’t know but they’re all a bunch of corporate shills. I’d retire tomorrow if I could (I’m 23)
When I started working in the 70's (years not age) one of the fellow tradesmen hollered at an old timer asking him why he was still working. He said to him "We fought for a 30 year pension to allow us to hire workers when you retire!" The old timer looked down and wasn't about to tell him he was supporting his relative (found out from another coworker). Years later while having coffee with the one that did the hollering, I asked him how many years he had there. He said "35". I then yelled at him the same way he hollered at the old timer. luckily I was quick on my feet to run away.
I HAVE NO CLUE. Go to the r/retirement subreddit and just look at the people not wanting to retire or discussing when they should. It’s absurd. I work in distributions and everyone should be retiring and taking their money and running as soon as they hit 59 1/2 or NRA.
Here's a clue then. Will you pay my Healthcare insurance premiums from 59.5 Til Medicare kicks in at 65?
That’s what my tax dollars go towards so YES
Because they dont give two tugs of a dead dog's cock about anyone but themselves now that they got theirs
\> why so many people think its called propaganda. nobody is immune to it. not even you. not even me.
A lot of people who are forced to retire at a specific age when they're not ready to stop working develop serious health problems. Both mental and physical. If you want to retire then go ahead but some people just like working. It let's them solve problems, feel useful, socialise etc. I think I read somewhere that it is quite normal to work in old age in Japan and Japan has longer life expectancy than most countries so it can't be too bad right. Again, if you hate working and can afford to retire, then retire. Unfortunately, a lot of people can't afford to retire. I'm probably going to be someone that if opportunities present itself then I'll work into old age but I would never expect anyone else to.
Cause they are boot lickers that think their job defines who they are.
For some it's copeium they can't afford to retire so they rationalize it as a form of honor. I'm instead just learning to live without and working jobs I enjoy. I now work seasonally as a naturalist, go to South East Asia in my off season and live in a tiny trailer for half the cost of rent in my area in America, learnnng to live with less has done wonders for my health.
Some dont have a choice; some actually enjoy their jobs. I've known people who retired very well off go into education just for the fun of it and to add to others' lives. Several of my professors retired from their personal businesses contracting with the DOD, just to help the younger generation find their footing. This isn't the only example, just an easier one for someone who's obviously not found a job they've enjoyed to imagine.
So....people cannot POSSIBLY have their own opinion? Seems if they WANT to work it is ONLY because "....they've been conditioned...."
If someone wants to, that’s their choice. If they don’t want to, that’s also their choice. I defend their right to choose.
Some people actually like their work and find it interesting, satisfying and challenging. All work doesn't suck, of course, there are many, many jobs that do. But working into whatever age doesn't need defending if you like it.
It's nuanced, in my opinion, and varies from person to person. What one individual enjoys, will not be what others enjoy. One may want to sit on a beach and read, while another wants to work and be productive. It's like asking, how come an introvert doesn't like going out every Friday and Satuday evening after working all week. Secondly, retirement (no longer working) is fairly "modern" in terms of our economies. Really starting with the industrial revolution (according to GPT). >As social systems evolved, especially with the industrial revolution and changes in labor dynamics, "retirement" began to be specifically associated with leaving one's occupation permanently, typically on the basis of age and often supported by a pension system. This concept was notably institutionalized with systems like the German pension plan introduced by Otto von Bismarck in the 1880s, which is considered one of the first formal governmental retirement systems.
Call me crazy, but I think I'd actually rather work past retirement doing something I loved, than retire early after spending my life doing something I hated. I think that's the real problem that wealth disparity creates: people can't do things they care about or are good at, they just have to do whatever wage slave job to survive so that the mega-rich can buy more yachts. If we had a more equal share of wealth, we'd be able to do things we cared about. Ideally we'd not work at all, but that seems way out of reach.
I'm not against the idea of working after retirement age, if you enjoy working or want to live a more expensive lifestyle. I'm against the idea of needing to work after retirement age to survive.
Sounds like you have never had a decent job or you’re lazy! It not really being conditioned to think work equals fulfillment , for some people fulfillment means being able to do a have the things they want.
“Boy them boots taste good. Think I’ll keep licking them till I die.”