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deepestfear

Just a reminder to everyone that we are not doctors nor lawyers. This isn't the place to be giving pseudo medico-legal advice. We're glad that most people have used personal anecdotes, everyone's journey is unique, and what works for one person might not work for another. So please just try to keep it to personal experiences only. If in doubt about whether or not cannabis or any other drug interferes with the medicines used for ADHD, please speak first and foremost with your doctor. Thank you all, though, on the whole, for a great discussion šŸ‘Œ


merlinmorg

I was in the process of quitting cannabis before finally getting ADHD meds. I donā€™t really have any advice on how to quit, apart from removing yourself away from temptation as much as possible, but Iā€™d just say for me ADHD meds have been way better than cannabis. After smoking my whole adult life, l never thought I would stop completely and although I look back very fondly on my stoner youth. I am personally glad to have moved on from it and I think the big reason I was able to was my ADHD diagnosis/medication. So completely up to you, but I think itā€™s worth at least giving it a go and seeing the difference. You can always go back.


Player_Dead

Ok so quitting cannabis, not quit cannabis? You were allowed medication while still smoking?


merlinmorg

No. I had a difficult time even finding a psychiatrist because I admitted to smoking, which my doctor had put on my referral letter. I decided I was going to quit anyway and asked her to take it off the referral letter. By the time I had my appointment I had stopped and when asked about cannabis use I just said I used to smoke but donā€™t anymore. I think I did have to do a urine test to get the meds after being diagnosed but by that time it had been like 3 months anyway.


Player_Dead

Good work on quitting! Any tips on how you managed it before going on medication? :)


merlinmorg

To be honest, Iā€™d already be cutting back so it wasnā€™t as sudden. I had tried quitting a fair few times when I was smoking everyday with no luck. I donā€™t really have any tips apart from keeping busy and filling your time with other things that you enjoy. When Iā€™m bored is when I want to smoke the most, or when Iā€™m around others that are smoking.


underground_crane

Yes I had to quit because I developed CHS. I didnā€™t tell them that I was using it and I didnā€™t get tested. Withdrawal is horrible but I have more energy and less anxiety.


Player_Dead

Any advice on how you got off it?


underground_crane

Just stopped, had no choice because it made me want to vomit. You might be able to get something from the doctor to help but anxiolytics are almost all addictive too. I like calming vitamins and supplements like magnesium, fish oil and lemon balm.


Beneficial-Big-1383

I smoked every day for over 20 years. Not before work, but the second I got home I had a bong, or three, and continued until bedtime... always had to have a couple right before bed. Then work introduced testing. I had to quit or would lose my job. The first night I had a 5mg valium, and because paracetamol (acetaminophen) helped with fever, I thought maybe it would help with the inability to be at a comfortable temperature in bed... you know, the covers at chest level, too hot, lower them an inch, too cold, type of thing. That first night it felt weird to be in bed but not stoned, but the val took the edge of things. It was the Panadol that really surprised. Compared to other times when I'd run out of weed, even when I'd had a valium, I wasn't fixated on the non-stoned feeling, and there was almost no temperature control problem. The second night I just had Panadol, 3. Symptoms maybe 10% of the first night and 2% of previous times. Was asleep in 30 minutes. Third to seventh night, 2 panadols, hardly noticed any symptoms. After that, no Panadol but felt uncomfortable, both temperature wise and a sort of a longing to be stoned, so I took two, until two weeks, when I stopped and found only mild symptoms for two nights. That was 10 years ago, at 43 years old. Eight months ago I was diagnosed with ADHD and started dex and Vyvance... so I had ADHD when I quit weed. I did some reading about paracetamol and it is metabolised to a chemical that is similar in structure to THC. I think maybe that is why it helped. Of course, this is all anecdotal but honestly, quitting weed had seemed impossible to me, yet it ended up being so easy it was almost ridiculous. I'd give paracetamol a try if I were you. It's not addictive and it seemed to help in ways far beyond the temperature thing.


underground_crane

Interesting, unfortunately my liver doesnā€™t like Panadol.


Beneficial-Big-1383

That's a pity. What happens if you take it?


Player_Dead

That's so helpful thanks so much! šŸ’ž. Never considered tryingĀ  Panadol it's a good idea !


AJ_ninja

Yes Iā€™ve quit a few timeā€¦more like take really long breaks. The thing is Iā€™ve been on ADHD meds almost all my life, but this is usually what I do when I want to take a break. Best thing is to not have any in your possession to temp you. But day to day I usually wake up really early 5ish work out 1-2 hours in the morning, work my 8hr, then make sure I keep busy after work until early bed 10pmā€¦really try to make myself exhausted mentally and physically. Some things I do to pass time is: work out morning, run/bike/walk in the afternoon. Learn something like cooking or chess or study something like a language. Do lots of cooking every dinnerā€¦. Pretty much always keep busy, exercise a lot. Donā€™t just play video games all day unless youā€™re learning something (for example chess there is so much time you can spend on how to play the 1st 15 moves of the gameā€¦hours or weeks of time learning).


Player_Dead

I see. So you're medicated while you're withdrawing from cannabis? Have you ever attempted to stop cannabis without ADHD meds? Because that is what I am expected to do.Ā  I cannot keep myself busy like that- my ADHD simply doesn't let me.Ā  Thankyou so much for helping ! ā¤ļø


AJ_ninja

Yes always have been medicated for most of my life since the age of 7ā€¦ adhd can pull your concentration away, but it can also make you obsessive and hyper focused, depending on your interest in the topic for me I try to find what those are (learn Spanish, chess, mtg, rock climbing, running a 10km, learning guitar, etc) and really dive into them when Iā€™m not working out, working or cooking/cleaning. Boring shit yeah that will be tough to stay focus, but learning how to make a cake or cookies from scratch or learning to juggle or learn how to knit a beanieā€¦idk what youā€™re into, but Iā€™ve never given up on something Iā€™ve never tried.


likeyoukn0wwhatever

For quitting, cold turkey is best imo. If you can (and if you tolerate them well), get some anti nausea tablets (if you're a womanfolk, you can get it from those online script sites and say it's for period pain) and use them as necessary if nausea is part of your quitting journey. Try to eat regularly (carrot sticks are always easy to down, I find), and drink lots of water. "The only way out is through". Just know the pain (and irritability) is temporary, and you'll likely be pleased with your post-cannabis lifestyle. Good luck whatever you do!


Player_Dead

Thankyou so much for the advice! ā¤ļø


feognix

Lifelong user of cannabis here and recently diagnosed and prescribed dex. Iā€™d already stopped cannabis long before my diagnosis and being prescribed, for personal reasons. Iā€™ve been using just dexies for 2 full months now, and am considering getting a prescription for cannabis again, for sleep. (Or perhaps thatā€™s what my addiction says I need it for). Iā€™m holding off though, mostly because itā€™s not been something I can keep usage for medical reasons only, recreational usage always seems to result. Itā€™s complicated and I donā€™t want to mix medicines when I have this history. I donā€™t think thereā€™s a right answer here for everyone and only you and decide whatā€™s best for you, and thatā€™s what Iā€™ve decided is best for me. Iā€™ll keep having this conversation with health professionals, but sleep continues to be an issue for me regardless, and has been for years now. My reasons for sleep interruptions are legitimate, but not sure medicine is always the best answer. My point is, try and understand your reasons for needing / wanting cannabis in your life and if it makes sense do it, if it doesnā€™t, donā€™t. Addiction sucks.


Player_Dead

It does suck...:/. Had a problem with sleep since I was a little kid and the main reason I smoke. Thanks for the advice šŸ’ž


qrimzn

If you are using cannabis for the right reasons, then all you gotta do is take the diagnosis and find a psychiatrist who is cool with you using both medications, there are many legitimate, above board psychiatrists who are careful and allow it. If you are using it for the wrong reasons, consider stopping. Do not at all just cold Turkey, research shows that isn't the way to withdraw, it's not safe. Do it slowly. As you should with all meds.


Player_Dead

I was really surprised, I have friends who smoke and it didn't seem a problem during their assessment.Ā  I have a prescription as well and it doesn't seem to matter šŸ¤·


FragrantLifeguard19

Did you discuss support for quitting cannabis with the psych? Could the heat of the moment, being told you give up something you rely on to get through the day, have caused you to close off and get hostile? Would be a totally normal reaction and maybe why the psych said let's end it here for today so you can take some time to think. It makes sense to me a psych would want you off cannabis before starting meds, you'd get a clear picture of the meds effects without interference that way. Sure it might be a horrible 3-6 months but in the bigger picture that's a blip on the radar. ADHD meds could give you the power to change your life the way you desire. Short term pain for long term gain. Id try my damn hardest if I were you, most people diagnosed as an adult seem to start with a feeling of being cheated out of the time before medication, do you want to put this off for 5, 10, 20 years and feel like you've been cheated out of life longer? Worst case in 18-24 months after trialling meds if you don't see improvement you can return to cannabis, at least 10 years down the road you won't be left with a feeling of what if I'd done it... Id recommend revisit with an open mind and advocate for support to discontinue cannabis.


Player_Dead

Umm..no? And even if so there is no way I can afford another 1000 dollars for another appointment though, so thats also pretty shitty of them?Ā  Like I said I tried discussing it and then I got cut off and the appointment ended.


Beneficial-Big-1383

$1000 for an appointment? Where are you? I paid $200, with some refund from Medicare so it ends up being maybe $130. Man I really sympathise with you. I'd never have been able to afford what you pay. Best of luck brother... it has honestly upset me to read what you wrote.


katarina-stratford

Good lord. Where did you go? My psych was also $1000 for 45 min.


Beneficial-Big-1383

Are you in Australia? I've just never heard of such fees here. I saw Dr. Grocott. She's not taking new patients as she's understandably very busy. It was telehealth as she's in Brisbane and I'm in Melbourne.


katarina-stratford

Yes Melb. The last psychiatrist I saw wanted $1500.


Player_Dead

It was a telehealth. It was to be fair an official 'adhd assessment' session. But still I paid a grand for an hour and he cut me off at 40 mins when I needed assistance.Ā  The fees for getting help is stupid. And it's not like people can just not pay it either. Down in Tas it's all very expensiveĀ 


winifredjay

Iā€™m in the same boat. Nervous as heck because I had the drug test 8 weeks ago and havenā€™t heard back on approval. I had a legal cannabis prescription so it wasnā€™t going to be a surprise for them either. Pretty bullshit.


Player_Dead

Thankyou! How is it a surprise for them when the rates of drug abuse sky rocket amongst those with ADHD. Any tips for getting off it?


winifredjay

TBH, Iā€™m still weening off. The r/leaves sub has lots of tips and stories, and SMART Recovery is also a fantastic community. Highly recommend going to one of their free support groups for any addiction.


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Jjgf1999

I think it depends on the situation were you smoking cannabis for a medical issue like pain management or just for adhd/mental health. I am prescribed both and my psyc knows about it as itā€™s scripted.


bloodreina_

Could I DM you pls?


turtleltrut

I don't have the same experience but perhaps something like melatonin can help at night. My husband was a stoner and it helped him with sleep when he quit. You can buy it legally from iherb. He gets 1mg and takes 2. Better to start out low and increase if you need. Good luck!


Player_Dead

Thankyou so much! I'll give it a go ā¤ļø


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Player_Dead

Very much considering a new dr. Very interesting thank you for the insightĀ 


ReceptionTop7611

I understand your situation. This is what you do to manage tour anxiety. No caffeine No nicotine Nothing to increase your anxiety levels Listen to Weightless by Marconi Union, know to reduce anxiety by 30%. Practise Andrew Huberman's double inhalation technique to reduce anxiety. Can use CBD oil When i tried to quit, recurring anxiety was the biggest issue. If it's so much trouble start taking dexies from a neighbourhood friendly.


Leading-Date-5465

Nooo donā€™t take dexies until prescribed, unless you are 100% sure they be out of your system before the drug screening. If OP is caught with illicit Dex in system that will set them right back, this is unless I misunderstood your last statement entirely, which is very possible.


ReceptionTop7611

Dexies stays in the system for 3 days max. He can stop it a few days before testing.


Leading-Date-5465

Ah k, interesting to know


Player_Dead

Nope not allowed CBD oil I'm afraid I already have a prescription and was told that counts.


CantinaMan

Iā€™m currently allowed to be prescribed both vyvanse and CBD isolate oil. That is strange. I canā€™t see why that would intefere


LaCorazon27

Hey Op, glad you got a dx! First step done. Imo, you need to listen to the doctor and not fuck about with stims and weed.There are contraindications that can be serious and potentiation can occur. I would actually ask if you can access any supports to get off cannabis. Good luck. Youā€™ll get there.


Player_Dead

Well...I was trying until he cut me off and ended the appointment. Thanks for the well wishesĀ 


LaCorazon27

Ah I see Iā€™m sorry. I misread that. I would actually call the clinic and ask them, they should at least be able to given an out of session referral or chat to your gp. Frustrating since it is so expensive. I get it! Have you ever tried to šŸŒ± before?


Player_Dead

Many times tbh :/. I was hoping some non stimulant type medication would really help the process.Ā 


ducktordave

I would not lie about it, if it gets picked up on a urine drug screen and it was not declared. The Pharmaceuticals Service Board can cancel further access to medications for 5 years, it happened to my brother.


Tauna

Sounds like you gotta choose. Weed or ADHD meds


ReceptionTop7611

That's not even a contest. ADHD meds is the only way to go.


Player_Dead

Wow cool great advice thanks!


Tauna

My advice is; lying to your doctor is a dumb idea, don't do that. Also, they are probably suggesting it for a reason, maybe discuss it with them and what support they can offer if you want to quit.


Player_Dead

Well gee I tried! Did you read the post or just comment to feel smug?


tepidlycontent

So it's just that one doctor?


Pupperoni__Pizza

Is lying about use even an option, when you have a prescription? I would have thought the psychiatrist would have the ability to see all of your active prescriptions when theyā€™re going through the process of prescribing something like Dex, but Iā€™m not stating this off any factual basis.


ChimichangoPaloma

I think itā€™s unfair and irresponsible for you to write that last statement. Some people are susceptible to developing psychosis or mania when combining stimulants with other substances, including THC. You should delete that lady sentence, for the good of others.