Sounds like a slam dunk now that the ABC is involved but you have to wonder about the people that haven't been given media attention.
Also 'civil matter' really? If I let a mate use my car while I'm in hospital and he sells it without my permission do I have to sue him for the value of the car?
That’s inaccurate. Civil law isn’t the absence of the police wanting to be involved. Civil law regulates private disputes when someone believes their rights have been infringed. Civil law includes laws relating to duty of care, contracts, accidents, money and property as well as many other issues.
Civil disputes can involve the courts - but they are just that - non criminal disputes. One would think this falls squarely under theft, which is a criminal matter. That’s where the commenter is coming from
It probably isn't though. The dog was willingly given to the friend. The issue here is the friend didn't have the authority to sell it or give it to someone else. But that's the whole debate - at what point does the dog become the friend's dog, and therefore at what point does the friend have the ability to do whatever she wants?
From our position, the answer is "not yet, are you serious, there was an obvious end date to the friend having the dog". But the law requires more than a vibe, and we don't know the whole story.
Erm, no, I'm saying if a mate of mine did that I'd try to charge him criminally. If it was a cheap car it wouldn't be worth much more than a dog in the eyes of the law.
Seeing the types of young couples who own pugs I’m not surprised. My guess is it now lives in a new build townhouse with activewear owners. They've already set up an insta for the dog so they can't give it back now.
That's really sad. From the description here it sounds like the new owners know to be worried because they haven't allowed for the microchip to be scanned to prove that it's a different dog.
Though I do really strongly recommend that people do get all the paperwork signed over properly when they pick up an animal. I ended up looking after a dog for six months where the original owners didn't give the paperwork initially and then when we chased them, so that we could get the microchip updated with the correct details, they asked if they could have the dog back, as they had just moved for the second time in six months and now could have the space for the dog again.
We did give the dog back, and would have even if it had the paperwork signed over because we're not dicks, but it felt a bit like free long-term babysitting.
The new 'owners' should be nervous - keeping a dog from its elderly owner doesn't endear you to anyone. Although I do wonder if we're getting the full story, this shows why it's important to officially change microchip registration.
It seems like there's bits of this story missing. The timeline is a bit off between the accident happening a year ago and now. It sounds more like miscommunication than a mean spirited theft. They should strengthen laws around straight up dognapping though like SA has done.
No, it's the missing info like how well she knew the person that had either 1 or 2 dogs to take responsibility for with no notice. Or were there regular check ins from either side etc. There's no mention of when the dog was rehomed so it sounds like that's unknown.
Callously stealing an elderly persons dog isn't the sort of thing someone would usually do if they're the type of person to take in and care for the dog for the first 6 months or something. It's a real shame the lady didn't have someone overseeing everything on her behalf while she was out of action.
these unknowns don't need to be known.
She left the dog with someone who ending up not caring about her or the dog and then dumped the dog. It doesn't matter why she dumped the dog because the dog is dumped and can't be un-dumped.
The only issue needs addressing is the current situation with the new adopter owners and how the woman can get her dog back. I personally think the dog should be given back.
The dog was rehomed to a family that cares about it, it was not dumped. I also agree the dog should likely be returned but dumped is incorrect.
The person initially caring for the dog might've been told they could not keep it by their landlord, they might've had their own hospitalisation, they might've not been able to afford it's food and care. Unknowns do matter.
When you have been charged with the care of a dog and for some reason you get rid of that dog, that is called dumping the dog. Make excuses and dress them up however you want, she dumped the dog and then, it was rehomed.
That’s a terrible experience. When I bought a dog with a microchip I had to hassle him a lot to sign the microchip form, meanwhile I contacted the company and they’d have accepted a statutory declaration if I couldn’t get him to sign.
Just steal him for long enough to scan the microchip and prove identity. In the unlikely event it’s not the right dog you can return him like any decent person would when in possession of someone else’s dog.
Hopefully the new owners don’t know a vet dodgy enough to change the chip.
They should give him back, they haven't had him long enough to form a proper attachment, I feel for Jenny. I hope the person who gave max away gets what they deserve for being absolutely heartless
No organisation involved
> "While I was in hospital a friend offered to mind Max for me until I was better," she said.
> But when she left hospital and asked for Max to be returned, the phone line went cold after her former friend changed her number.
The former "friend" is a scammer. Offers to mind the dog knowing that he is a valuable dog as people pay alot for pugs, with no agreement from owner sells him to people she lies to telling them the owner is dead and then changes her phone number so she can't be contacted by owner. If this isn't scamming, I don't know what is. She should be arrested. God only knows what else she is up to. Out her now I say because nobody should get away with a scam like this plus she has destroyed the life of an elderly lady who fought so hard to live and be with her beloved dog again. I am seething with anger over this.
This is my neighbour 😭 I’m so heartbroken for her. She got ran over by a car while crossing the road in front of our house and spent ages in hospital. She’s really depressed now and I just can’t understand the cruelty from that couple.
Do you know who the person is who offered to mind Max for Jenny and then sold him on without any agreement from Jenny? That's a horrible scam and she needs to be named so she can't do it to anyone else. Changing her number doesn't change her name. I hope this all comes out including names so people know they can't get away with this sort of thing. So much for being a friend ... wicked thing to do. Hang in Jenny. People are as angry about this as they were about Molly the Magpie and people power normally triumphs.
I’m trying to see if there’s anything the community can do to put pressure on the appropriate authorities. It’s really hard as they live in Newy and we’re in Bangalow. I wouldn’t think she’d want to get another dog as she’s already 90. She already had to give up her youngest dog, I’m guessing as she was in hospital for so long after she got ran over. She’s been through a lot the poor thing, she was crossing the street with her dogs when a stupid driver ran her over… and that was the last time she saw both of them.
If anyone got tips as to how to help her I’m all ears!
We have to keep the pressure on to get Max back to Jenny. The woman who gave Max away when she had no right to, most likely pocketing some $ for him as pugs are valuable dogs, as well as the people who currently have him must be outed. Max belongs with his rightful owner. This is elder abuse of the worst kind.
The person I am interested in is the "friend" who offered to look after Max when the elderly owner Jenny was incapacitated and then rehomed him without the agreement of the owner. Did she sell him? ... I bet money was involved. What a low life evil thing to do to an elderly lady struggling to get back on her feet. And I understand that the "friend" changed her phone number so the poor owner Jenny couldn't contact her to try to get her dog back. This "friend" should be named and shamed. I am utterly disgusted about what she has done. Who is this person? Who does something like this?
Hateful and also criminal in my opinion ... apparently the "friend" told the people she sold Max to that Jenny was dead. That has to be criminal ... how can she get away with that? This failure of a friend apparently lives in Crescent Head ... who is this scammer? ... may be doing this to others ... it has to be criminal to tell people somebody is dead when you know they are not and sell their dog without them knowing. I'd like 5mins with this scammer.
I have just contacted A Current Affair. Hopefully we can see fake friend scammer and the people who bought Max cornered and publicly shamed into returning him to Jenny. If anyone else has ideas of how we can pressure these people into doing the right thing, pls share.
Sounds like a slam dunk now that the ABC is involved but you have to wonder about the people that haven't been given media attention. Also 'civil matter' really? If I let a mate use my car while I'm in hospital and he sells it without my permission do I have to sue him for the value of the car?
'Civil matter' is used when police don't want to get involved an a dispute.
That’s inaccurate. Civil law isn’t the absence of the police wanting to be involved. Civil law regulates private disputes when someone believes their rights have been infringed. Civil law includes laws relating to duty of care, contracts, accidents, money and property as well as many other issues.
Civil disputes can involve the courts - but they are just that - non criminal disputes. One would think this falls squarely under theft, which is a criminal matter. That’s where the commenter is coming from
It probably isn't though. The dog was willingly given to the friend. The issue here is the friend didn't have the authority to sell it or give it to someone else. But that's the whole debate - at what point does the dog become the friend's dog, and therefore at what point does the friend have the ability to do whatever she wants? From our position, the answer is "not yet, are you serious, there was an obvious end date to the friend having the dog". But the law requires more than a vibe, and we don't know the whole story.
The actual law gives police very little power in dealing with animals. Animal laws are a stinking pile of garbage. That needs fixing, not the police.
*don't have any powers or authority in resolving the dispute FTFY
The Police made an oath to serve and protect Charlies peace, not serve and protect us. "King" Charlie doesn't lose any sleep over civil matters.
Your mate did that?
Erm, no, I'm saying if a mate of mine did that I'd try to charge him criminally. If it was a cheap car it wouldn't be worth much more than a dog in the eyes of the law.
That’s true.
Keeping an animal you know or come to know rightfully belongs to an elderly person, what kind of low life shit stain would you have to be?
Seeing the types of young couples who own pugs I’m not surprised. My guess is it now lives in a new build townhouse with activewear owners. They've already set up an insta for the dog so they can't give it back now.
That's really sad. From the description here it sounds like the new owners know to be worried because they haven't allowed for the microchip to be scanned to prove that it's a different dog. Though I do really strongly recommend that people do get all the paperwork signed over properly when they pick up an animal. I ended up looking after a dog for six months where the original owners didn't give the paperwork initially and then when we chased them, so that we could get the microchip updated with the correct details, they asked if they could have the dog back, as they had just moved for the second time in six months and now could have the space for the dog again. We did give the dog back, and would have even if it had the paperwork signed over because we're not dicks, but it felt a bit like free long-term babysitting.
The new 'owners' should be nervous - keeping a dog from its elderly owner doesn't endear you to anyone. Although I do wonder if we're getting the full story, this shows why it's important to officially change microchip registration.
It seems like there's bits of this story missing. The timeline is a bit off between the accident happening a year ago and now. It sounds more like miscommunication than a mean spirited theft. They should strengthen laws around straight up dognapping though like SA has done.
what's a bit off? That it took a 90 year old a year to be able to look after herself again? Perfectly reasonable to me.
No, it's the missing info like how well she knew the person that had either 1 or 2 dogs to take responsibility for with no notice. Or were there regular check ins from either side etc. There's no mention of when the dog was rehomed so it sounds like that's unknown. Callously stealing an elderly persons dog isn't the sort of thing someone would usually do if they're the type of person to take in and care for the dog for the first 6 months or something. It's a real shame the lady didn't have someone overseeing everything on her behalf while she was out of action.
these unknowns don't need to be known. She left the dog with someone who ending up not caring about her or the dog and then dumped the dog. It doesn't matter why she dumped the dog because the dog is dumped and can't be un-dumped. The only issue needs addressing is the current situation with the new adopter owners and how the woman can get her dog back. I personally think the dog should be given back.
The dog was rehomed to a family that cares about it, it was not dumped. I also agree the dog should likely be returned but dumped is incorrect. The person initially caring for the dog might've been told they could not keep it by their landlord, they might've had their own hospitalisation, they might've not been able to afford it's food and care. Unknowns do matter.
When you have been charged with the care of a dog and for some reason you get rid of that dog, that is called dumping the dog. Make excuses and dress them up however you want, she dumped the dog and then, it was rehomed.
"she dumped the dog and then, it was rehomed." I have no idea where you're getting that information from at all. It's not in the article.
well that woman didn't 'rehome' it. The people that have it now adopted it as a 'rescue dog' so ... hello, dumped
That’s a terrible experience. When I bought a dog with a microchip I had to hassle him a lot to sign the microchip form, meanwhile I contacted the company and they’d have accepted a statutory declaration if I couldn’t get him to sign.
Hope she gets her dog back , some fucking lowlifes out there
Really horrible.
New “owners” are right cunts, I’d gladly steal him back if there’s a guarantee it’s Max.
Just steal him for long enough to scan the microchip and prove identity. In the unlikely event it’s not the right dog you can return him like any decent person would when in possession of someone else’s dog. Hopefully the new owners don’t know a vet dodgy enough to change the chip.
I don’t think you need to change the chip, you just need to know the chip number to update the registration details
Then there will still be evidence of who previously owned that specific chip.
They should have to get him scanned.
They should give him back, they haven't had him long enough to form a proper attachment, I feel for Jenny. I hope the person who gave max away gets what they deserve for being absolutely heartless
I’d be heartbroken. What a rotten thing to do.
Does anyone know if this was facilitated by Pugs SOS? It doesn't sound like something they would do.
No organisation involved > "While I was in hospital a friend offered to mind Max for me until I was better," she said. > But when she left hospital and asked for Max to be returned, the phone line went cold after her former friend changed her number.
The former "friend" is a scammer. Offers to mind the dog knowing that he is a valuable dog as people pay alot for pugs, with no agreement from owner sells him to people she lies to telling them the owner is dead and then changes her phone number so she can't be contacted by owner. If this isn't scamming, I don't know what is. She should be arrested. God only knows what else she is up to. Out her now I say because nobody should get away with a scam like this plus she has destroyed the life of an elderly lady who fought so hard to live and be with her beloved dog again. I am seething with anger over this.
I have an 11yo pug - I would fucking demolish that house to get my dog if this happened.
They are one of the most companionable, people oriented of the breeds. That dog will be fretting for their poor old mum.
The poor thing will be so stressed
The laws need changing. Animals aren’t simply objects, to be owned.
I'm sure that Elloise was proud that they managed to get this in... "When it comes to registration of pets, it's even more of a dog's breakfast,"
This is my neighbour 😭 I’m so heartbroken for her. She got ran over by a car while crossing the road in front of our house and spent ages in hospital. She’s really depressed now and I just can’t understand the cruelty from that couple.
Do you know who the person is who offered to mind Max for Jenny and then sold him on without any agreement from Jenny? That's a horrible scam and she needs to be named so she can't do it to anyone else. Changing her number doesn't change her name. I hope this all comes out including names so people know they can't get away with this sort of thing. So much for being a friend ... wicked thing to do. Hang in Jenny. People are as angry about this as they were about Molly the Magpie and people power normally triumphs.
I’m so sorry. Is there any chance she’ll get him back? I hope that otherwise she can get another small dog. The house is so empty without your dog :’(
I’m trying to see if there’s anything the community can do to put pressure on the appropriate authorities. It’s really hard as they live in Newy and we’re in Bangalow. I wouldn’t think she’d want to get another dog as she’s already 90. She already had to give up her youngest dog, I’m guessing as she was in hospital for so long after she got ran over. She’s been through a lot the poor thing, she was crossing the street with her dogs when a stupid driver ran her over… and that was the last time she saw both of them. If anyone got tips as to how to help her I’m all ears!
Maybe fostering an older dog?
We have to keep the pressure on to get Max back to Jenny. The woman who gave Max away when she had no right to, most likely pocketing some $ for him as pugs are valuable dogs, as well as the people who currently have him must be outed. Max belongs with his rightful owner. This is elder abuse of the worst kind.
I bet the little pug misses her, too.
I am begging ACA to do a story on this. They corner the perpetrators and publicly shame them. We need to turn the heat right up on this injustice.
What’s ACA? Haven’t heard of them
At this point she just wants Max back. If that doesn’t workout maybe, but I really hope it does
The person I am interested in is the "friend" who offered to look after Max when the elderly owner Jenny was incapacitated and then rehomed him without the agreement of the owner. Did she sell him? ... I bet money was involved. What a low life evil thing to do to an elderly lady struggling to get back on her feet. And I understand that the "friend" changed her phone number so the poor owner Jenny couldn't contact her to try to get her dog back. This "friend" should be named and shamed. I am utterly disgusted about what she has done. Who is this person? Who does something like this?
It’s hateful, isn’t it?
Hateful and also criminal in my opinion ... apparently the "friend" told the people she sold Max to that Jenny was dead. That has to be criminal ... how can she get away with that? This failure of a friend apparently lives in Crescent Head ... who is this scammer? ... may be doing this to others ... it has to be criminal to tell people somebody is dead when you know they are not and sell their dog without them knowing. I'd like 5mins with this scammer.
I have just contacted A Current Affair. Hopefully we can see fake friend scammer and the people who bought Max cornered and publicly shamed into returning him to Jenny. If anyone else has ideas of how we can pressure these people into doing the right thing, pls share.
You are a good soul, I hope this works out.