I remember learned about the holocaust in school before my brain, as well as my peers, was fully developed. I read words on a page, and did feel sad and disgusted.
Now as an adult with a toddler of my own. Reading these observations of the mothers trying to save their children or at least keep their spirits blissfully unaware is absolutely gut wrenching. The children helping the smaller ones across the fence. The mothers knowing what’s happening and still having to enter the chamber with their children.
This is so important for people to read and remember this isn’t just an important part of history. It’s an atrocity that could very well happen again if we forget what horrible mistakes we are capable of
You summed up everything I wanted to say but couldn’t perfectly. As an adult I am absolutely disgusted with the absolute misrepresentation of what actually happened based on what I “learned” in high school. We are heading in the same direction and it’s horrific and unacceptable.
Came here to say this. It's happening at various places around the globe. Talk about the government of China and the military in Myanmar to say the least. But they don't count. China makes too much stuff and Myanmar doesn't have any valuable resources to exploit.
Yeah! Sorry not to mention those but I live pretty close to the ones I mentioned and try to get support for them. People don't seem to care when it's in the "wrong" country.
No. But it's been said already so I didn't really see the point in saying it again. But since you've brought it up...
It's not the biggest genocide since the holocaust. Did you ever hear about what happened in Cambodia with the Khmer Rouge in the 1970s? They killed between 1.5 and 2 million Cambodian which was roughly 1/3 of the country's population at the time.
I'm not condoning what's happening between Palestine and Israel but it's far from the world's only tragedy or atrocity, even in our modern times. There is systematic cleansing of ethnic people happening in China and Myanmar. I highlighted that because no one talks about it.
Everyone is talking about Palestine right now. Marching and protesting in the streets of your own country isn't going to do anything except make you feel like you did something so that you can pat yourself on the back like you cared. If you cared, send aid there, donate money or volunteer to help them.
And before you say it, I'm helping one of the people's I highlighted. I live on the border between Thailand and Myanmar and help with an orphanage for the children displaced by the cleansing happening over the border.
This dude above you has been indoctrinated by all the propaganda ads. Literally in china recently they were putting people in camps I believe who live in the mountains because they didn’t like them and were killing them. This shit happens all the time…and it’s horrible.
Yeah. It's still happening and we're all just sitting around and not complaining about it. I don't see many protests about the war in Ukraine anymore either
It’s not though…I mean have you read about what’s going on in china at all or what happened in Uganda, or maybe when in Venezuela they were murdering homeless people doing a societal cleansing.
I saw the Hamas charter, and obviously there’s a lot there but one thing that stood out to me was they say that antisemitism is a European concept and that it doesn’t apply to Hamas.
I do think that prejudice in general is bad and that people have an obligation to try and work through their own prejudices- but also I do think that Hamas has a point there.
Comparing Israel/Palestine to the Holocaust in pretty much any way is misleading, regardless of whether the conclusion you draw favors Israel or Palestine.
Hamas is not “antisemitic” in the same way as the Nazis were. It’s totally different. Israel’s invasion is not a genocide. It’s totally different.
Not that Hamas’ hatred is a good thing, or that Israel’s war crimes are excusable. It’s just that you need to understand this conflict for its own sake, and those comparisons are misleading when you try to draw learnings or conclusions from them.
Yeah, on social media you have like 9 words to express yourself and after that you’ve dragged on too long and lost the crowd. Doesn’t leave much room for adding nuance
Could you write 3 consecutive sentences legitimately supporting Hamas’ position?
Just trying to see if you understand nuance or are an angry Likud bot.
And I got family that thinks I was the one being extreme for cussing my sister on Christmas for saying the Holocaust was a "good thing."
Fuck 'em, they need to read more and swallow the AlexJones BS less.
Yes! Just had twin girls last year, they are now a year old, and this is a perfect description.
You hear about this stuff before having kids and obviously think it’s terrible, but it gives you a new level of sadness and despair when you have your own kids that you can relate to this situation. Absolutely horrific.
This kind of atrocity has happened again, is happening again (Palestine, Sudan, Ukraine, Indonesia etc), and will continue to happen again. We are still living in inhuman conditions and are taught to hate and despise each other.
Here in America we are taught to “pick a side, but not the wrong side or we will cancel you.” Then fund weapons and money to their military. Mind you, we don’t even take care of OUR veterans here. There are so many veterans of OUR country living on the streets or ending their lives every single day. So why are we throwing gasoline on someone else’s fire? Something needs to change
But must we really be tortured before we die? Or is that also the same? I mean, I get it. Being shot and being burned alive most 'definitely' feels the same.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7160372/
"The Zone of Interest" is an incredible movie about Hoss. I saw it a few weeks ago. Heavy, and a lot to think about.
It is, and making the choice between seeing it or another movie was a consideration of mine too. I'm glad that I chose to see it, though. It's about far more than the specific subject of Hoss, the Holocaust, or Nazi Germany itself.
That makes it all the more impactful, imo! The undercurrent of dread grew throughout the film. Beyond the history of the profiles of those allowed to rise in power, the destructive results of which culminated in the horrific events and destruction of Nazi Germany, it was a dark study of human nature. The practice of denial is probably a necessary survival mechanism and is common. But, it can become psychologically pathological. That's always destructive, and as such, its force must be individually and societally overcome when faced with it, or else it results in suffering and evil at both micro and macro levels. We all possess the ability to deny reality, and self-examination is its only painful antidote.
The part that fucks with me the most is that he writes like he was just a bystander, talking about how it affected him emotionally. As if he was just watching it and witnessing the horror. He showed absolutely no recognition that he was the one doing all of it in the first place.
That's about par for the course. Most people doing bad things rationalize it to themselves as either 1) what they are doing is actually good or 2) they aren't the one doing the bad things.
If you read the whole book he kind of shows he exhibits remorse but still up for debate. The polish government told him to sort of write it too so I wonder if they wanted it more or less objective etc. He fought in ww1 and witnessed the Armenian genocide so I can imagine he was already sort of numbed to death. He flat out also told his kids to distrust any authority figure so he clearly had at least some realization what he did was wrong. He was yelled at by his boss as he was too hard on his men and lacked compassion. Sort of overall it's up for debate if he had a conscience
I really don’t think he was remorseful at all. He constantly shifted blame onto others and never really took full responsibility for the atrocities that he committed
His excuses were “the doctors forced me to watch people die in the gas chambers”
“It was my superiors who put me in charge of the camp, so it was their fault why I even did this”
“The camp was too big for me to watch over all the guards, how could I have stopped them from committing such cruelty on the prisoners”
Hell even his last words were that even despite being called a mass murderer and a sadist, that he still was a man with a heart and not evil
I don’t know why I torture myself with this stuff. I’m a glutton for punishment and as a mother my heart just weeps reading and imagining this. The defeat of knowing you’re walking your children to their death but trying to be silly and not scare them is just…
death is a tragedy when it happens to someone you know, when it happens to such a tremendously large amount of people it becomes hard to even grasp the sheer horror of it.
If I told you something happened 300 years ago you can probably grasp that on a deeper level, you can sort of feel it in a way because you know what a year is like, you even know what ten years is like, so you can extrapolate that feeling thirty times and feel that its a real long time, but if I tell you something happened four billion years ago I might as well have said anything for all the meaning it conveys, once a number becomes large enough it loses all sense of meaning to a human being when applied to something like human life.
to the average person, six million deaths seems like an impossibly high number, its more people that you will ever know or meet in multiple lifetimes, its larger than the individual population of over half the countries on earth, its a number that is so impossibly large that it could be seen as comical.
but it happened, we know it happened, we have hundreds of testimonies from victims, perpetrators and bystanders, we have eye witness accounts from American and Russian soldiers, we have the documentation to PROVE without a shadow of a doubt that this fucking happened.
the truth is that some people just can't fucking handle the truth, its too much for them, if they truly wrestled with the fact that such a monstrous atrocity occurred then their entire view of reality and world would come crumbling down, it would shatter their fucking minds.
Its like cosmic horror, too much for your brain to comprehend and accept that it happened.
Acknowledging it means accepting the fact that humanity CAN be this brutal to each other. Which is too much for them to handle, rather saying it didnt happen than losing your mind..
I take a more cynical view of holocaust denialism. It is driven by anti-Semitism and an effort to rehabilitate Nazism. Apologist narratives about the SS and Wehrmacht were being written not long after the war ended. The most famous of these are the "clean Wehrmacht" myths that have even crept into the US memory of WWII. You can Google and Wiki accounts that portray SS conduct in the war as honorable versus the murderous and criminal reality.
The people writing this stuff aren't in denial over the Holocaust because they have a belief in the goodness of humanity. They are neo-Nazi's and sympathizers. If they had been alive during the Holocaust they would have shrugged off the fate of the Jews just like most Germans did.
Well put, these people are among us, and some are found within our families even.
Beyond my sister, my dad, a "Knight of Columbus," once compared the KKK, Shrines, and KoC as all essentially being "harmless mens clubs," and as someone who knows their family would have been labled "papists" by one of those groups, I was flabbergasted and confused.
Who raised me and where the fuck did they disappear to?
Anyone who thinks like that needs to stand in a gas chamber and have a good think. I went to Auschwitz a few years ago, it is something that people should have to do.
I remember sitting in Krakow in a bar afterwards and just feeling like an empty shell of a person.
It is a very strange feeling. As I said, I sat in that bar and felt my personality melt away. I've lost friends and family but it's a different feeling, like looking at yourself from the other side of a mirror.
How people can stand in front of a room full of hundreds of thousands of pairs of people's spectacles, or stand on the train tracks where a million people were sent to their deaths and deny that anything happened there blows my mind.
My sister "joked" it was a "good thing," and that "at least it balanced Germany's budget" [wtf is that even supposed to mean, talk about detached from reality] and I cussed her up and down for it- but I was the one who was out of line according to my family.
It is beyond infuriating that people don't believe it, but I won't even talk to my sister because she thinks its okay to praise it in front of my kids. Trashy.
They are doing a really terrible job at it if that is the case. The IDF has dropped an enormous amount of bombs and killed relatively few civilians. They're gonna really have to step up their game if you want to equate them to the Nazis.
How long did world war two last?
How long has it taken for Israel to kill 30000 civilians?
You think the Nazis killed 6 million in 3 months?
It was actually 6 years. That's 24 times as much time as the Israeli massacre has been going on.
And the Holocaust deaths didn't really pick up until the last years of the war.
So at this point in the respective "wars" Israel has killed far more civilians. Sorry that contradicts your narrative
In the first months of the war the Nazis didn't bomb any civilians. Israel has leveled a city. The blitz did far less damage to our cities than they have done to Gaza
The Nazi bombing campaigns throughout the entire war killed less than Israel has killed in 3 months
Because nazis did not bomb to kill civilians. They had murder squads and death camps. Real genocide, with obvious intent, unlike legitimate military bombing actions like the allies also did in WW2 that had SO MANY more civilian casualties than Gaza. Astronomically more.
>Because nazis did not bomb to kill civilians
Have you heard of the "blitz" of British cities?
Edit: ah yes downvote because you're wrong. Very mature.
It was 6 million in 6 years. That's a million a year. Israel has done around 30000 in 3 months. It is less yes, but only by one order of magnitude. Not astronomical. If you think what the word astronomical means it refers to situations where things are thousands, millions of times bigger than other things.
That's germany bombing. You're proving my point, even that is so much more civilian deaths than gaza and there was no hamas in the UK, they explicitly targeted civilian areas for the most part. The Germans committed genocide through death camps and murder squads that killed 10s of thousands per day. Not through bombing, that was only a small portion of civilian deaths. It is not comparable whatsoever. I was talking about the allies bombing campaigns that killed many more German civilians than palestinian ones being killed now, because they actually WERE targeting civilians at times, even though that's wrong.
The highest kill rate for Jews was July-October 1942, during Operation Reinhard, the plan for exterminating the Jewish populations of recently captured Poland.
[1.43 million](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6314819/) in four months. And that’s only looking at Nazi military logistics and movements specially related to Reinhard (because the Nazis specifically drew up military operations for the exclusive purpose of getting rid of the Jewish population as efficiently as possible)We can deduce the total in those months caused by the numerous Nazi military efforts is much higher.
The Rwandan genocide lasted 4 months with a final count of ~600,000. The six-week Rape of Nanking is estimated at ~200,000 but some scholars put it at ~300,000.
Yes, the situation in Gaza is catastrophic, and probably deserves its own type of atrocity crime, it’s a humanitarian catastrophe, but numerically it doesn’t come close to genocide. Sorry to contradict your narrative.
Using your superior military force to oppress and kill civilians because you are racist and disagree with their beliefs and want their land and belongings, perhaps?
Saying “because you are racis” and “because they want their land” is an opinion. Now tell me what exact “nazi tactics” they use or just admit you’re plainly using buzz words.
Hamas level mass murder has happened across the world for centuries but the holocaust sets itself apart being a highly organised, and state run operation from an industrialised nation with intricate laters of command, discipline, planning and execution. Hamas can only imagine that in their dreams. But to imagine it at all is horrific enough. Humans still have the capacity to repeat it if they had the means to do so and the compliance of others to let it happen.
It's not so much hypocrisy as the acknowledgement that innocent people should not be butchered. Period. No matter where they are from or what religion they follow.
Then how about start with condemning Hamas? Gazans wouldn't be dying if Hamas didn't attack Israel massacring, raping and kidnapping its citizens, and turning Gazans into human shields.
What are you talking about?
Condemning Hamas while also acknowledging and condemning Israel for indiscriminately slaughtering innocent Palestinian civilians are not mutually exclusive. Anyone with half a brain can do both.
Then that should go both ways. You expect that someone condemns Hamas before supporting Palestinian civilians. What would you think if someone demanded you condemn Zionists and the Israeli government before supporting Israeli civilians?
Hamas has killed maybe a few thousand people over about 20 years.
The Nazi holocaust killed 17 million, including 6 million Jews, over about 5 years.
The scale of the crime is not comparable.
Hamas is fucking disgusting, but it’s a terrorist group, not a state that has turned genocide into an industry.
There is however, in that very same area, a state that is promoting and executing a disgusting genocide. One that you might have forgotten to mention.
For now, only arab countries are actually promoting genocide, that is, the destruction of the Jewish state.
And if you mean Israel (which you obviously do), it is not conducting genocide. Only the Hamas are to blame for the civilian deaths in Gaza.
Hamas install missile launchers in kindergarten yards and shoot from it, and don't expect the return fire because it's kindergarten.
They dig their tunnels under the civilian houses and don't expect those tunnels to be destroyed because there are civilian houses over them.
They stash their weapons in the houses of civilians and don't expect those houses to be raided.
Basically those that scream about "genocide of palestinians" say that Israel must not do anything when missiles fly its way. Just raise the shields and that's it, let the terrorists shoot at will and go unpunished, "if you ignore the it, it will go away". It doesn't work like that.
Idk man, I don't think proudly stating 'Hamas don't expect Israel to carpet-bomb kindergartens and civilian houses, but they underestimate Israel!' is the dunk against Hamas that you think it is.
The justification for mass civilian deaths seems to be 'well, they'd do it to us if they got the chance', but Israel is doing it *right now*. By that logic, Hamas are also justified in targeting Israel.
You place a missile launcher in the kindergarten and shoot from there and you don't expect it will become a target? Wow.
A missile launcher that is destroyed is a missile launcher that won't shoot missiles at Israel, easy as that. If it is placed in a kindergarten, that makes the kindergarten a valid target.
I wish someone who dissagrees with you would actually have a response beside " its wrong." What is isreal supposed to do just not retaliate when hamas attacks
Only hamas is to blame for the death of Palestinian people 😂😂😂
Yeah everyone is mean to poow wittwe Israel, it’s not that they are killing tons of innocent people because they are Arab and live in lands they want.
This reminds me of Judgment of Nuremberg when the Nazis on trial are sitting back, eating, chit chatting.
One says "Pohl! They say we killed millions of people. Millions! How is that possible?"
Pohl replies "It's possible. All depends on your facilities. Say you have two chambers to accommodate 2000 people a piece. Figure it out. It's possible to get rid of 10,000 in a half hour. It's not the killing that's the problem; it's the disposing of the bodies."
Dumbest shit is when Slavic people become neo nazis and have swastikas tattoos. Like mate, Hitler considered you on the same level as Jews, why are you tattoing his idealogy on your body
[I'll just leave this here for reference.](https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3p7bqw)
I watched this as a kid (parents were very broad-minded and education focused). It certainly has (and continues to) coloured my perception of anyone who says anything positive about Nazis.
Have visited Auschwitz twice now. It is probably the least fun day out you can imagine, and at the end of they day you basically feel sick, numb, exhausted. Disturbed. Seeing the steps leading down into (what is left of) one of the gas chambers and thinking of all the tens of thousands of people who walked there, and seeing what they saw as their last view of the world; and knowing its not a reconstruction but the actual gas chamber steps of Auschwitz-Birkenau has a pretty severe impact.
And you go through the camp and you see one dreadful thing after another and the day is just filled with horror and bleakness and tears and then you go out and get in your car at the end of the day and you just feel dead inside and everything seems pointless
I’ve only seen Dachau and it was only once. You summarized the feelings perfectly; it’s not fun, but it’s definitely one of those things that everyone should see in person.
My grandma's parents came to America right before this all happened. (German jews) They new shit was to go down and had somehow smuggled themselves across the border before all out war. I never heard much detail about their lives. They were both very abusive when my grandma was growing up, so she didn't mention them much. Everyone left behind didn't come to America. Never heard if any survived or made it to America. I don't believe they did.
I seriously cannot handle how disgusting and evil humans can be. This is just too much to bear. Those poor poor children (and the adults of course too!).
My granny was a teenager when she and her mother were sent to a camp (not Auschwitz, another death camp).
She tells the story of when they arrived and people were being sent either one way or the other (to work or to die). She was sent one way, and her mother sent the other way, but her mother put up enough of a stink about being separated from her daughter that they were both sent the direction intended for her mother - to work.
My granny was one stubborn mother away from being killed, and I am so grateful to my great-great-grandmother for giving her that chance.
My granny never talks much about the experience, understandably, but that's the story that has stuck with me ever since I heard it.
I visited Auschwitz a few years ago. it’s one of the saddest places on earth. One of the worst parts was the bookshop afterwards, a book on genocides listed the ones that happened after WW2. Seems we don’t learn and humans still find the need to dehumanise other racial, religious or ethnic groups for their own gains. It’s happening now in Gaza, Ukraine, parts of China, Africa.
I hate the idea that humanity needs to witness our own atrocities in order to learn from them. We did watch this, and many people are happy to let it happen again. I don’t think many people- especially the right people- learned a lesson from the holocaust that made any feasible difference. Over and over again, we witness some other atrocity resulting in the senseless, cruel, needless deaths of thousands and thousands of people, and more often than not the response is that it’s “happening somewhere else” or “they shouldn’t have _____” or an outright “that’s not true, that didn’t happen.”
This is definitely interesting history. But I don’t think mankind has ever neglected to commit another atrocity because one’s already happened.
>But I don’t think mankind has ever neglected to commit another atrocity because one’s already happened.
Perhaps, but it certainly can help prevent it. From the Japan bombing came multiple treaties to control and reduce nuclear threats, and same applies here
I doubt that the treaties really stopped nuclear bombings since then. Its mutually assured destruction that's really kept us from killing eachother with nukes.
We can witness it twenty times over, it doesn't matter. We already witnessing it happening all over again in Ukraine and the Xinjiang region.
The problem is: We have a bunch of men in a very high castle that think they're all very important, that decide that the systematic murder of Jews is going to solve a lot of problems for them and earn them a lot of money. And everybody's complicit to those men, because they're in a high castle so they just make it happen.
We need to find out how to take those men out of that castle, tear it all down, and replace it with a system that's more fair and sympathetic.
Couldn't agree more. You just have to look at the Palestinian genocide happening right now to see how easy it is for the world to turn its back and let powerful men get away with the extermination of an entire section of society.
The methods and reasoning changes but not by much and the end result is the same.
This reminds me of that one quote about meeting God and only hearing an echo back. I’m paraphrasing but the idea was that you ask God “why didn’t you do anything to help?” And instead of answering, God asks YOU “why didn’t you do anything to help?”
It’s chilling. Sometimes it keeps me in check, just as far as basic decency and compassion goes.
I’m an atheist and it really moved me. I’m usually neutral about the God/religion stuff, but the idea of God being an echo is horrific to me.
I looked up the exact quote for you. It’s “At the trial of God, we will ask: why did you allow all this? And the answer will be an echo: why did you allow all this?” It’s a poem called “A City Like a Guillotine Shivers on Its Way to the Neck” by Ilya Kaminsky.
Welp, their very descendants are committing genocide right now to the Palestinian people who welcomed them after escaping Europe, so i doubt others will learn.
They never welcomed them. Jews have had a continuous presence IN THEIR OWN LAND and were massacred repeatedly decade after decade by the Arabs who only relatively recently in history decided to call themselves Palestinians for purely political and murderous purposes. Hamas is just one faction among others that have come and gone, and wholeheartedly supported by the so-called Palestinian people, who are far from innocent and from cradle to grave, generation after generation.
Forced myself to read all the screenshots. The most distressing thing I've read in a long time. I'm in a waiting room, and my head is spinning. Unspeakable evil, and it doesn't even make sense - these people aren't threatening anyone, just living their lives.
Have you fully read the 4 pages in this slideshow? I’m just genuinely curious because it seems you people see the word or any mention of “Holocaust” and immediately chime in with “They’re doing the same to Palestinians!”
I feel like this is trivialising the holocaust. Horrific things are happening around the world, but nothing today is even close to that level of atrocity.
it's important to not trivialize the holocaust, but equally important to not hold it as a benchmark. your evaluation of an atrocity should never be "well, it's not as bad as the holocaust", because that allows for a monumental amount of human suffering before it's equitable to the singular horror of the death camps
The Human Spirit is frought with radical evil, it takes the collective effort of millions to control the malice of thousands, become lax and these thousands can make millions wallow in misery. Never forget, never be lax, never feel that those in power would always have your best interests in place. Stay vigilant, try to do good and trust in God, whichever you believe in, they won't intervene but may they give you strength to intervene and struggle yourself.
There's a Holocaust museum about an hour from us. We've been a couple times with our kids. In one of the rooms, the children's room, it says the Holocaust murdered enough children to wipe out the entire public school system in Virginia. It really put it into a visual I could understand better. It's fucking devastating.
I have been very, very, very online for 25 years. I have seen so much content - autopsies, crime scenes, ramping up to death videos, murders, pretty much all of the worst things conceivable - and have long been numb to any significant feelings as a result. It just doesn't feel like anything.
This, though? This one hit the feelings. Fucking yeeeeesh.
I took a trip to Poland not too long ago. One stop was a tour of Auschwitz. We toured these same gas chambers and were told to remain silent out of respect. Once back outside, grief overcame me and I broke down into tears. We must never forget the evils humans can commit onto other humans. It is definitely a place I will never visit again.
Saw a show on Netflix last night, and they talked about the problem of killing a child after the mother died. They were smashing the baby's against a tree or wall to save bullets, then changed to having the mother hold her baby, and then one bullet killed both of them.
I visited Auschwitz and it was one of the most harrowing experiences of my life.
But the sad reality is, and I will be downvoted to oblivion for saying this, but the descendants of some of those very same poor people are now raining down genocide on the people of Palestine.
The decimation of men, women, children, and newborns are happening right now. The world has let this happen again, some are complicit and some are directly accomplice... incredibly shameful time to be alive.
It’s also worth mentioning that many were already weak from starvation and disease from being forced into ghettos, so they had little capacity to defend themselves.
You'd think if your people carry this horror with them, you wouldn't endorse your government exterminating another people. War is never the solution, war is hell.
Okay but why the FUCK are all of the top comments “this must never happen again” when it is literally happening in Gaza. Imagine musing over never repeating the past while innocent men , women, and children are being bombed to death on a daily basis.
So my Grandma was living in Germany at the time of WW2 as a teenager. Growing up I tried to press her many times about how this could happen to people. She said Hilter said what Germans wanted to hear about the economy and making Germany a great place and by the time they really realized what was happening it was too late. The Nazi’s came to her house and told her father he had two options, join the army or they would kill his family. It blows my mind with all the parallels happening now.
It’s the Republican plan to install loyalists at every level of government, including civil service workers who are not supposed to be political. The goal being to control the entirety of the government including the so-called “deep state”. Republicans already dehumanize a lot of groups. A second holocaust is not far away.
I don’t know why you’re downvoted. It’s not wrong to be concerned over an overthrow of democracy. That can definitely lead to a genocide of a minority group
It is possible to believe two things are bad, even if one is mush worse than the other. Racial hatred is racial hatred, regardless of who the victim or the hater is.
Now, their descendants are making a worse genocide in gaza and palestine to the people WHO welcomed them from europe.
Becoming what you hated the most, ironic.
Worse genocide? What makes a genocide “worse”? The population of Jews GLOBALLY was cut down by more than half and still hasn’t returned to its original number. Gaza population grows by the millions.
I remember learned about the holocaust in school before my brain, as well as my peers, was fully developed. I read words on a page, and did feel sad and disgusted. Now as an adult with a toddler of my own. Reading these observations of the mothers trying to save their children or at least keep their spirits blissfully unaware is absolutely gut wrenching. The children helping the smaller ones across the fence. The mothers knowing what’s happening and still having to enter the chamber with their children. This is so important for people to read and remember this isn’t just an important part of history. It’s an atrocity that could very well happen again if we forget what horrible mistakes we are capable of
You summed up everything I wanted to say but couldn’t perfectly. As an adult I am absolutely disgusted with the absolute misrepresentation of what actually happened based on what I “learned” in high school. We are heading in the same direction and it’s horrific and unacceptable.
It's happening right now.
Came here to say this. It's happening at various places around the globe. Talk about the government of China and the military in Myanmar to say the least. But they don't count. China makes too much stuff and Myanmar doesn't have any valuable resources to exploit.
And let's not forget about Rwanda and apartheid states.
Yeah! Sorry not to mention those but I live pretty close to the ones I mentioned and try to get support for them. People don't seem to care when it's in the "wrong" country.
Can’t bring yourself to say Palestine? The biggest genocide since the holocaust.
No. But it's been said already so I didn't really see the point in saying it again. But since you've brought it up... It's not the biggest genocide since the holocaust. Did you ever hear about what happened in Cambodia with the Khmer Rouge in the 1970s? They killed between 1.5 and 2 million Cambodian which was roughly 1/3 of the country's population at the time. I'm not condoning what's happening between Palestine and Israel but it's far from the world's only tragedy or atrocity, even in our modern times. There is systematic cleansing of ethnic people happening in China and Myanmar. I highlighted that because no one talks about it. Everyone is talking about Palestine right now. Marching and protesting in the streets of your own country isn't going to do anything except make you feel like you did something so that you can pat yourself on the back like you cared. If you cared, send aid there, donate money or volunteer to help them. And before you say it, I'm helping one of the people's I highlighted. I live on the border between Thailand and Myanmar and help with an orphanage for the children displaced by the cleansing happening over the border.
This dude above you has been indoctrinated by all the propaganda ads. Literally in china recently they were putting people in camps I believe who live in the mountains because they didn’t like them and were killing them. This shit happens all the time…and it’s horrible.
Yeah. It's still happening and we're all just sitting around and not complaining about it. I don't see many protests about the war in Ukraine anymore either
lol hardly. Rwanda was actual genocide w a death count nearing 800k. 27k dead with over 1/3 Hamas is nothing
It’s not though…I mean have you read about what’s going on in china at all or what happened in Uganda, or maybe when in Venezuela they were murdering homeless people doing a societal cleansing.
I saw the Hamas charter, and obviously there’s a lot there but one thing that stood out to me was they say that antisemitism is a European concept and that it doesn’t apply to Hamas. I do think that prejudice in general is bad and that people have an obligation to try and work through their own prejudices- but also I do think that Hamas has a point there. Comparing Israel/Palestine to the Holocaust in pretty much any way is misleading, regardless of whether the conclusion you draw favors Israel or Palestine. Hamas is not “antisemitic” in the same way as the Nazis were. It’s totally different. Israel’s invasion is not a genocide. It’s totally different. Not that Hamas’ hatred is a good thing, or that Israel’s war crimes are excusable. It’s just that you need to understand this conflict for its own sake, and those comparisons are misleading when you try to draw learnings or conclusions from them.
You're not wrong. But Reddit doesn't appreciate nuance.
Yeah, on social media you have like 9 words to express yourself and after that you’ve dragged on too long and lost the crowd. Doesn’t leave much room for adding nuance
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Could you write 3 consecutive sentences legitimately supporting Hamas’ position? Just trying to see if you understand nuance or are an angry Likud bot.
How pray tell is Israel’s “invasion” different? I want to hear your propaganda filled excuse for the murder of over 25,000 innocents. It IS genocide
Jews did nothing to deserve the holocaust. Palestinians have done many many many things. Simple uncomplicated answer.
And I got family that thinks I was the one being extreme for cussing my sister on Christmas for saying the Holocaust was a "good thing." Fuck 'em, they need to read more and swallow the AlexJones BS less.
Yes! Just had twin girls last year, they are now a year old, and this is a perfect description. You hear about this stuff before having kids and obviously think it’s terrible, but it gives you a new level of sadness and despair when you have your own kids that you can relate to this situation. Absolutely horrific.
It is happening now. And we are POWERLESS to stop it.
This kind of atrocity has happened again, is happening again (Palestine, Sudan, Ukraine, Indonesia etc), and will continue to happen again. We are still living in inhuman conditions and are taught to hate and despise each other.
Here in America we are taught to “pick a side, but not the wrong side or we will cancel you.” Then fund weapons and money to their military. Mind you, we don’t even take care of OUR veterans here. There are so many veterans of OUR country living on the streets or ending their lives every single day. So why are we throwing gasoline on someone else’s fire? Something needs to change
We're American. We funded both sides of WW2 as long as we could. The concentration camp number tattoos was IBM and a precursor to UPC codes.
It is happening in Palestine
But no one here wants to acknowledge that the victims have become the perpetrators. Children die but not horribly like in gaza
All death is horrible.
But must we really be tortured before we die? Or is that also the same? I mean, I get it. Being shot and being burned alive most 'definitely' feels the same.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7160372/ "The Zone of Interest" is an incredible movie about Hoss. I saw it a few weeks ago. Heavy, and a lot to think about.
I was about to say the same thing it looks like an amazing piece of drama it’s not gonna be easy to watch but definitely necessary
I just saw it last week. It’s definitely heavy but there aren’t any gruesome scenes, if that’s what you’re worried about. It’s all implied
Nah it’s not that I’m a gore queen it’s just the subject is so fucking horrible it’s gonna be a heavy watch
It is, and making the choice between seeing it or another movie was a consideration of mine too. I'm glad that I chose to see it, though. It's about far more than the specific subject of Hoss, the Holocaust, or Nazi Germany itself.
That makes it all the more impactful, imo! The undercurrent of dread grew throughout the film. Beyond the history of the profiles of those allowed to rise in power, the destructive results of which culminated in the horrific events and destruction of Nazi Germany, it was a dark study of human nature. The practice of denial is probably a necessary survival mechanism and is common. But, it can become psychologically pathological. That's always destructive, and as such, its force must be individually and societally overcome when faced with it, or else it results in suffering and evil at both micro and macro levels. We all possess the ability to deny reality, and self-examination is its only painful antidote.
I recommend watching it on it’s own. Then watch it side by side with Schindlers list for max discomfort.
Oof maybe on my strongest day
Christ, that was hard to read.
The part that fucks with me the most is that he writes like he was just a bystander, talking about how it affected him emotionally. As if he was just watching it and witnessing the horror. He showed absolutely no recognition that he was the one doing all of it in the first place.
That's about par for the course. Most people doing bad things rationalize it to themselves as either 1) what they are doing is actually good or 2) they aren't the one doing the bad things.
Same with most people when they rationalise eating factory farmed meat, it's certainly not a skill we've lost as a species.
If you read the whole book he kind of shows he exhibits remorse but still up for debate. The polish government told him to sort of write it too so I wonder if they wanted it more or less objective etc. He fought in ww1 and witnessed the Armenian genocide so I can imagine he was already sort of numbed to death. He flat out also told his kids to distrust any authority figure so he clearly had at least some realization what he did was wrong. He was yelled at by his boss as he was too hard on his men and lacked compassion. Sort of overall it's up for debate if he had a conscience
I really don’t think he was remorseful at all. He constantly shifted blame onto others and never really took full responsibility for the atrocities that he committed His excuses were “the doctors forced me to watch people die in the gas chambers” “It was my superiors who put me in charge of the camp, so it was their fault why I even did this” “The camp was too big for me to watch over all the guards, how could I have stopped them from committing such cruelty on the prisoners” Hell even his last words were that even despite being called a mass murderer and a sadist, that he still was a man with a heart and not evil
Probably your best evidence was where he blamed it all on the kapos. His psych eval said he had no idea the enormity of what he did too.
Devastating really.
I don’t know why I torture myself with this stuff. I’m a glutton for punishment and as a mother my heart just weeps reading and imagining this. The defeat of knowing you’re walking your children to their death but trying to be silly and not scare them is just…
And people still don’t believe this happened. Infuriating.
death is a tragedy when it happens to someone you know, when it happens to such a tremendously large amount of people it becomes hard to even grasp the sheer horror of it. If I told you something happened 300 years ago you can probably grasp that on a deeper level, you can sort of feel it in a way because you know what a year is like, you even know what ten years is like, so you can extrapolate that feeling thirty times and feel that its a real long time, but if I tell you something happened four billion years ago I might as well have said anything for all the meaning it conveys, once a number becomes large enough it loses all sense of meaning to a human being when applied to something like human life. to the average person, six million deaths seems like an impossibly high number, its more people that you will ever know or meet in multiple lifetimes, its larger than the individual population of over half the countries on earth, its a number that is so impossibly large that it could be seen as comical. but it happened, we know it happened, we have hundreds of testimonies from victims, perpetrators and bystanders, we have eye witness accounts from American and Russian soldiers, we have the documentation to PROVE without a shadow of a doubt that this fucking happened. the truth is that some people just can't fucking handle the truth, its too much for them, if they truly wrestled with the fact that such a monstrous atrocity occurred then their entire view of reality and world would come crumbling down, it would shatter their fucking minds.
That reminds me of a quote I read at some point: The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of a million men is merely a statistic.
Yeah that was attributed to Stalin.
Its like cosmic horror, too much for your brain to comprehend and accept that it happened. Acknowledging it means accepting the fact that humanity CAN be this brutal to each other. Which is too much for them to handle, rather saying it didnt happen than losing your mind..
I take a more cynical view of holocaust denialism. It is driven by anti-Semitism and an effort to rehabilitate Nazism. Apologist narratives about the SS and Wehrmacht were being written not long after the war ended. The most famous of these are the "clean Wehrmacht" myths that have even crept into the US memory of WWII. You can Google and Wiki accounts that portray SS conduct in the war as honorable versus the murderous and criminal reality. The people writing this stuff aren't in denial over the Holocaust because they have a belief in the goodness of humanity. They are neo-Nazi's and sympathizers. If they had been alive during the Holocaust they would have shrugged off the fate of the Jews just like most Germans did.
Well put, these people are among us, and some are found within our families even. Beyond my sister, my dad, a "Knight of Columbus," once compared the KKK, Shrines, and KoC as all essentially being "harmless mens clubs," and as someone who knows their family would have been labled "papists" by one of those groups, I was flabbergasted and confused. Who raised me and where the fuck did they disappear to?
And so it should
Anyone who thinks like that needs to stand in a gas chamber and have a good think. I went to Auschwitz a few years ago, it is something that people should have to do. I remember sitting in Krakow in a bar afterwards and just feeling like an empty shell of a person.
I’m German, and this is the reason most high school classes take a trip to a concentration camp. These atrocities should never be forgotten
This is exactly how I imagine I would feel if I ever had the opportunity to go. Im inconsolable just watching the documentaries on the Holocaust.
It is a very strange feeling. As I said, I sat in that bar and felt my personality melt away. I've lost friends and family but it's a different feeling, like looking at yourself from the other side of a mirror. How people can stand in front of a room full of hundreds of thousands of pairs of people's spectacles, or stand on the train tracks where a million people were sent to their deaths and deny that anything happened there blows my mind.
I'll never understand the deniers because they are voided humans
I truly think holocaust deniers are psychotic
Well, I mean, the ones who do not deny it are killing innocent children. But, oh, well, god is on their side.
Ummm….not really an appropriate response but ok
Other tragedies are happening NOW in the world and people don't give a shit. People only believing their propaganda isn't new.
My sister "joked" it was a "good thing," and that "at least it balanced Germany's budget" [wtf is that even supposed to mean, talk about detached from reality] and I cussed her up and down for it- but I was the one who was out of line according to my family. It is beyond infuriating that people don't believe it, but I won't even talk to my sister because she thinks its okay to praise it in front of my kids. Trashy.
People might say that they don’t believe it happened, but I don’t believe them.
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They are doing a really terrible job at it if that is the case. The IDF has dropped an enormous amount of bombs and killed relatively few civilians. They're gonna really have to step up their game if you want to equate them to the Nazis.
How long did world war two last? How long has it taken for Israel to kill 30000 civilians? You think the Nazis killed 6 million in 3 months? It was actually 6 years. That's 24 times as much time as the Israeli massacre has been going on. And the Holocaust deaths didn't really pick up until the last years of the war. So at this point in the respective "wars" Israel has killed far more civilians. Sorry that contradicts your narrative In the first months of the war the Nazis didn't bomb any civilians. Israel has leveled a city. The blitz did far less damage to our cities than they have done to Gaza The Nazi bombing campaigns throughout the entire war killed less than Israel has killed in 3 months
Because nazis did not bomb to kill civilians. They had murder squads and death camps. Real genocide, with obvious intent, unlike legitimate military bombing actions like the allies also did in WW2 that had SO MANY more civilian casualties than Gaza. Astronomically more.
>Because nazis did not bomb to kill civilians Have you heard of the "blitz" of British cities? Edit: ah yes downvote because you're wrong. Very mature. It was 6 million in 6 years. That's a million a year. Israel has done around 30000 in 3 months. It is less yes, but only by one order of magnitude. Not astronomical. If you think what the word astronomical means it refers to situations where things are thousands, millions of times bigger than other things.
That's germany bombing. You're proving my point, even that is so much more civilian deaths than gaza and there was no hamas in the UK, they explicitly targeted civilian areas for the most part. The Germans committed genocide through death camps and murder squads that killed 10s of thousands per day. Not through bombing, that was only a small portion of civilian deaths. It is not comparable whatsoever. I was talking about the allies bombing campaigns that killed many more German civilians than palestinian ones being killed now, because they actually WERE targeting civilians at times, even though that's wrong.
The highest kill rate for Jews was July-October 1942, during Operation Reinhard, the plan for exterminating the Jewish populations of recently captured Poland. [1.43 million](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6314819/) in four months. And that’s only looking at Nazi military logistics and movements specially related to Reinhard (because the Nazis specifically drew up military operations for the exclusive purpose of getting rid of the Jewish population as efficiently as possible)We can deduce the total in those months caused by the numerous Nazi military efforts is much higher. The Rwandan genocide lasted 4 months with a final count of ~600,000. The six-week Rape of Nanking is estimated at ~200,000 but some scholars put it at ~300,000. Yes, the situation in Gaza is catastrophic, and probably deserves its own type of atrocity crime, it’s a humanitarian catastrophe, but numerically it doesn’t come close to genocide. Sorry to contradict your narrative.
Well, the modern Auschwitz is at least happening in front of those people's eyes. The innocent has become the monster.
Never ever forget this. And never ever assume that something like this will never happen again.
Pretty much did, on a smaller scale, in Rwanda.
Hahahah its happening now. Truly, they love to see children die in the name of their evil god.
It's happening right now... Gaza is still undergoing a genocide. So yeah they learned and perfected nazi technics
Which “nazi tactics” used in the holocaust is Israel using now against Gazans?
Ghettoisation. Gaza is remarkably similar to Nazi ghettoes.
Using your superior military force to oppress and kill civilians because you are racist and disagree with their beliefs and want their land and belongings, perhaps?
Saying “because you are racis” and “because they want their land” is an opinion. Now tell me what exact “nazi tactics” they use or just admit you’re plainly using buzz words.
Hahahahahah. Who can argue with monsters when all they know is evil?
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Hamas level mass murder has happened across the world for centuries but the holocaust sets itself apart being a highly organised, and state run operation from an industrialised nation with intricate laters of command, discipline, planning and execution. Hamas can only imagine that in their dreams. But to imagine it at all is horrific enough. Humans still have the capacity to repeat it if they had the means to do so and the compliance of others to let it happen.
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It's not so much hypocrisy as the acknowledgement that innocent people should not be butchered. Period. No matter where they are from or what religion they follow.
Then how about start with condemning Hamas? Gazans wouldn't be dying if Hamas didn't attack Israel massacring, raping and kidnapping its citizens, and turning Gazans into human shields.
What are you talking about? Condemning Hamas while also acknowledging and condemning Israel for indiscriminately slaughtering innocent Palestinian civilians are not mutually exclusive. Anyone with half a brain can do both.
Gazans and Palestinians have been murdered long before that. Stop blaming the terrorists which you yourselves helped to create
Then that should go both ways. You expect that someone condemns Hamas before supporting Palestinian civilians. What would you think if someone demanded you condemn Zionists and the Israeli government before supporting Israeli civilians?
Hamas has killed maybe a few thousand people over about 20 years. The Nazi holocaust killed 17 million, including 6 million Jews, over about 5 years. The scale of the crime is not comparable.
Hamas is fucking disgusting, but it’s a terrorist group, not a state that has turned genocide into an industry. There is however, in that very same area, a state that is promoting and executing a disgusting genocide. One that you might have forgotten to mention.
For now, only arab countries are actually promoting genocide, that is, the destruction of the Jewish state. And if you mean Israel (which you obviously do), it is not conducting genocide. Only the Hamas are to blame for the civilian deaths in Gaza. Hamas install missile launchers in kindergarten yards and shoot from it, and don't expect the return fire because it's kindergarten. They dig their tunnels under the civilian houses and don't expect those tunnels to be destroyed because there are civilian houses over them. They stash their weapons in the houses of civilians and don't expect those houses to be raided. Basically those that scream about "genocide of palestinians" say that Israel must not do anything when missiles fly its way. Just raise the shields and that's it, let the terrorists shoot at will and go unpunished, "if you ignore the it, it will go away". It doesn't work like that.
Idk man, I don't think proudly stating 'Hamas don't expect Israel to carpet-bomb kindergartens and civilian houses, but they underestimate Israel!' is the dunk against Hamas that you think it is. The justification for mass civilian deaths seems to be 'well, they'd do it to us if they got the chance', but Israel is doing it *right now*. By that logic, Hamas are also justified in targeting Israel.
You place a missile launcher in the kindergarten and shoot from there and you don't expect it will become a target? Wow. A missile launcher that is destroyed is a missile launcher that won't shoot missiles at Israel, easy as that. If it is placed in a kindergarten, that makes the kindergarten a valid target.
I wish someone who dissagrees with you would actually have a response beside " its wrong." What is isreal supposed to do just not retaliate when hamas attacks
They just keep saying genocide as if saying it again and again makes it true.
You are 100% right.
Only hamas is to blame for the death of Palestinian people 😂😂😂 Yeah everyone is mean to poow wittwe Israel, it’s not that they are killing tons of innocent people because they are Arab and live in lands they want.
This reminds me of Judgment of Nuremberg when the Nazis on trial are sitting back, eating, chit chatting. One says "Pohl! They say we killed millions of people. Millions! How is that possible?" Pohl replies "It's possible. All depends on your facilities. Say you have two chambers to accommodate 2000 people a piece. Figure it out. It's possible to get rid of 10,000 in a half hour. It's not the killing that's the problem; it's the disposing of the bodies."
And there are people who are f*king neo-nazis and they choose to be this evil. Wtf is wrong with people
Dumbest shit is when Slavic people become neo nazis and have swastikas tattoos. Like mate, Hitler considered you on the same level as Jews, why are you tattoing his idealogy on your body
Apologies if it's obvious but what's the name of the book?
Commandant of Auschwitz: The Autobiography of Rudolf Hoess
Thanks so much!
[I'll just leave this here for reference.](https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3p7bqw) I watched this as a kid (parents were very broad-minded and education focused). It certainly has (and continues to) coloured my perception of anyone who says anything positive about Nazis.
Have visited Auschwitz twice now. It is probably the least fun day out you can imagine, and at the end of they day you basically feel sick, numb, exhausted. Disturbed. Seeing the steps leading down into (what is left of) one of the gas chambers and thinking of all the tens of thousands of people who walked there, and seeing what they saw as their last view of the world; and knowing its not a reconstruction but the actual gas chamber steps of Auschwitz-Birkenau has a pretty severe impact. And you go through the camp and you see one dreadful thing after another and the day is just filled with horror and bleakness and tears and then you go out and get in your car at the end of the day and you just feel dead inside and everything seems pointless
I’ve only seen Dachau and it was only once. You summarized the feelings perfectly; it’s not fun, but it’s definitely one of those things that everyone should see in person.
Welp, now this is true awfuleverything
My grandma's parents came to America right before this all happened. (German jews) They new shit was to go down and had somehow smuggled themselves across the border before all out war. I never heard much detail about their lives. They were both very abusive when my grandma was growing up, so she didn't mention them much. Everyone left behind didn't come to America. Never heard if any survived or made it to America. I don't believe they did.
I seriously cannot handle how disgusting and evil humans can be. This is just too much to bear. Those poor poor children (and the adults of course too!).
My granny was a teenager when she and her mother were sent to a camp (not Auschwitz, another death camp). She tells the story of when they arrived and people were being sent either one way or the other (to work or to die). She was sent one way, and her mother sent the other way, but her mother put up enough of a stink about being separated from her daughter that they were both sent the direction intended for her mother - to work. My granny was one stubborn mother away from being killed, and I am so grateful to my great-great-grandmother for giving her that chance. My granny never talks much about the experience, understandably, but that's the story that has stuck with me ever since I heard it.
I visited Auschwitz a few years ago. it’s one of the saddest places on earth. One of the worst parts was the bookshop afterwards, a book on genocides listed the ones that happened after WW2. Seems we don’t learn and humans still find the need to dehumanise other racial, religious or ethnic groups for their own gains. It’s happening now in Gaza, Ukraine, parts of China, Africa.
If I may, this is interesting history. Mankind must witness this once to ensure it cannot happen again, especially on a larger scale.
I hate the idea that humanity needs to witness our own atrocities in order to learn from them. We did watch this, and many people are happy to let it happen again. I don’t think many people- especially the right people- learned a lesson from the holocaust that made any feasible difference. Over and over again, we witness some other atrocity resulting in the senseless, cruel, needless deaths of thousands and thousands of people, and more often than not the response is that it’s “happening somewhere else” or “they shouldn’t have _____” or an outright “that’s not true, that didn’t happen.” This is definitely interesting history. But I don’t think mankind has ever neglected to commit another atrocity because one’s already happened.
>But I don’t think mankind has ever neglected to commit another atrocity because one’s already happened. Perhaps, but it certainly can help prevent it. From the Japan bombing came multiple treaties to control and reduce nuclear threats, and same applies here
I doubt that the treaties really stopped nuclear bombings since then. Its mutually assured destruction that's really kept us from killing eachother with nukes.
We can witness it twenty times over, it doesn't matter. We already witnessing it happening all over again in Ukraine and the Xinjiang region. The problem is: We have a bunch of men in a very high castle that think they're all very important, that decide that the systematic murder of Jews is going to solve a lot of problems for them and earn them a lot of money. And everybody's complicit to those men, because they're in a high castle so they just make it happen. We need to find out how to take those men out of that castle, tear it all down, and replace it with a system that's more fair and sympathetic.
Couldn't agree more. You just have to look at the Palestinian genocide happening right now to see how easy it is for the world to turn its back and let powerful men get away with the extermination of an entire section of society. The methods and reasoning changes but not by much and the end result is the same.
It’s easier to look back and regret not doing anything than to actually do anything
This reminds me of that one quote about meeting God and only hearing an echo back. I’m paraphrasing but the idea was that you ask God “why didn’t you do anything to help?” And instead of answering, God asks YOU “why didn’t you do anything to help?” It’s chilling. Sometimes it keeps me in check, just as far as basic decency and compassion goes.
I love this so much. I'm a staunch anti theist, and I *love this* so much. Thank you, I hadn't heard it before.
I’m an atheist and it really moved me. I’m usually neutral about the God/religion stuff, but the idea of God being an echo is horrific to me. I looked up the exact quote for you. It’s “At the trial of God, we will ask: why did you allow all this? And the answer will be an echo: why did you allow all this?” It’s a poem called “A City Like a Guillotine Shivers on Its Way to the Neck” by Ilya Kaminsky.
Just casually left out Palestina from your comment. Ironi.
Not intentionally so atleast. I was in a rush to get going.
Welp, their very descendants are committing genocide right now to the Palestinian people who welcomed them after escaping Europe, so i doubt others will learn.
They never welcomed them. Jews have had a continuous presence IN THEIR OWN LAND and were massacred repeatedly decade after decade by the Arabs who only relatively recently in history decided to call themselves Palestinians for purely political and murderous purposes. Hamas is just one faction among others that have come and gone, and wholeheartedly supported by the so-called Palestinian people, who are far from innocent and from cradle to grave, generation after generation.
Forced myself to read all the screenshots. The most distressing thing I've read in a long time. I'm in a waiting room, and my head is spinning. Unspeakable evil, and it doesn't even make sense - these people aren't threatening anyone, just living their lives.
This is nauseating and horrific. And here we are witnessing things like this start again.
Have you fully read the 4 pages in this slideshow? I’m just genuinely curious because it seems you people see the word or any mention of “Holocaust” and immediately chime in with “They’re doing the same to Palestinians!”
I feel like this is trivialising the holocaust. Horrific things are happening around the world, but nothing today is even close to that level of atrocity.
it's important to not trivialize the holocaust, but equally important to not hold it as a benchmark. your evaluation of an atrocity should never be "well, it's not as bad as the holocaust", because that allows for a monumental amount of human suffering before it's equitable to the singular horror of the death camps
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Of course this absurd false equivalency presents itself in this thread.
The Human Spirit is frought with radical evil, it takes the collective effort of millions to control the malice of thousands, become lax and these thousands can make millions wallow in misery. Never forget, never be lax, never feel that those in power would always have your best interests in place. Stay vigilant, try to do good and trust in God, whichever you believe in, they won't intervene but may they give you strength to intervene and struggle yourself.
I find it so hard to understand how past genocides are unthinkable, but current genocides are shrugged off and just accepted.
There's a Holocaust museum about an hour from us. We've been a couple times with our kids. In one of the rooms, the children's room, it says the Holocaust murdered enough children to wipe out the entire public school system in Virginia. It really put it into a visual I could understand better. It's fucking devastating.
I have been very, very, very online for 25 years. I have seen so much content - autopsies, crime scenes, ramping up to death videos, murders, pretty much all of the worst things conceivable - and have long been numb to any significant feelings as a result. It just doesn't feel like anything. This, though? This one hit the feelings. Fucking yeeeeesh.
I took a trip to Poland not too long ago. One stop was a tour of Auschwitz. We toured these same gas chambers and were told to remain silent out of respect. Once back outside, grief overcame me and I broke down into tears. We must never forget the evils humans can commit onto other humans. It is definitely a place I will never visit again.
Saw a show on Netflix last night, and they talked about the problem of killing a child after the mother died. They were smashing the baby's against a tree or wall to save bullets, then changed to having the mother hold her baby, and then one bullet killed both of them.
Remember when people (Typically Conservatives) were comparing Covid lockdowns to Auschwitz? Dumbest people on the planet.
I visited Auschwitz and it was one of the most harrowing experiences of my life. But the sad reality is, and I will be downvoted to oblivion for saying this, but the descendants of some of those very same poor people are now raining down genocide on the people of Palestine.
And then there's people saying that germany didn't deserve everything what happened to it in 1945 and onwards. I'd say germany got away too easily.
Butthurt slav moment.
The decimation of men, women, children, and newborns are happening right now. The world has let this happen again, some are complicit and some are directly accomplice... incredibly shameful time to be alive.
It’s also worth mentioning that many were already weak from starvation and disease from being forced into ghettos, so they had little capacity to defend themselves.
Shit, that first paragraph my my eyes water. Imagining those poor innocent kids...
You'd think if your people carry this horror with them, you wouldn't endorse your government exterminating another people. War is never the solution, war is hell.
Crazy to see that the same mass murder, torture, destruction of family, and killing of children is happening in 2024 to the Palestinian people.
Okay but why the FUCK are all of the top comments “this must never happen again” when it is literally happening in Gaza. Imagine musing over never repeating the past while innocent men , women, and children are being bombed to death on a daily basis.
Yup displaced, tortured, dehumanised, babies and children orphaned, limbless terrified. Palestine accepted these people
Holy shit. Hearing trump and putin echo the language that spawned this is terrifying and disgusting.
So my Grandma was living in Germany at the time of WW2 as a teenager. Growing up I tried to press her many times about how this could happen to people. She said Hilter said what Germans wanted to hear about the economy and making Germany a great place and by the time they really realized what was happening it was too late. The Nazi’s came to her house and told her father he had two options, join the army or they would kill his family. It blows my mind with all the parallels happening now.
Had to spit in disgust.
His book is very interesting and worth the read.
What is the title of the book?
They say never again but they are now doing it to Palestinians
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This will happen in America after project 2025.
What is project 2025?
It’s the Republican plan to install loyalists at every level of government, including civil service workers who are not supposed to be political. The goal being to control the entirety of the government including the so-called “deep state”. Republicans already dehumanize a lot of groups. A second holocaust is not far away.
I don’t know why you’re downvoted. It’s not wrong to be concerned over an overthrow of democracy. That can definitely lead to a genocide of a minority group
Then they go around and do it to palastanians over a few decades
Israel puts Palestinian women and children in gas chambers? Rounds them up to be shot? Enlighten me
Braindead and highly regarded
Who is “they”? Innocent Jewish civilians are not the same as the Israeli government.
33+ people hurt by facts. Get fukd mossad
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Wildly inappropriate comment. What’s wrong with you?
I'd love to hear about how this is inappropriate. To remind the killer that they were a victim once?
This has absolutely nothing to do with palestine, stop bringing your terrorist state into everything
is that what you call people who are fighting invaders?
Palestine is a terrorist state yet Israel didn't even exist in any form 75 years ago
Actually, Israel was first mentioned cca 1200 years before Christ https://www.livescience.com/55774-ancient-israel.html
Reddit: but but Zionism is the REAL evil
It is possible to believe two things are bad, even if one is mush worse than the other. Racial hatred is racial hatred, regardless of who the victim or the hater is.
You think a Jewish state is bad? Yeesh
I don't think a jewish state is bad, but any state built on top of innocent blood is corrupted to the core. Israel needs to stop its ways.
Stephen Miller is aching to restart this with immigrants. Mark my words.
20.millio Russians diedd to fight Nazis remeber
Only because Hitler broke the pact the Russians had happily made with the Nazis.
This is what Republicans are marching us towards, make no mistake.
Reaching for straws much?
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Oof, this is a terrible take
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There should be a movie made about the Nakba -we need to hear all voices not just one
This is about the holocaust. They're two separate horrors.
Now, their descendants are making a worse genocide in gaza and palestine to the people WHO welcomed them from europe. Becoming what you hated the most, ironic.
Worse genocide? What makes a genocide “worse”? The population of Jews GLOBALLY was cut down by more than half and still hasn’t returned to its original number. Gaza population grows by the millions.
Murder is murder. Only a psychopath would willingly murder other humans.
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