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Imaginary emergencies. Disagree all you want, but there is no legitimate reason to urgently worry (as if Rich people give a fuck about us) and work past 5PM on a Friday… it can wait until 9AM Monday.
The idea that it can’t being a hallmark of biglaw (and falsely asserted as the sole reason a dipshit 26YO woman like me is paid so much) is mostly not true. Should we be available more than people paid way less? Probably yeah, but at the end of the day we are paid what we are because clients can afford it.
I have the same rant and would add: the status of seniors who dump that Friday evening/weekend work to you immediately shows away or offline after telling you it’s important to send whatever it is to clients ASAP.
Been working on a fairly significant brief for a partner I regularly work for. He keeps a paper calendar, doesn’t use outlook. Once a month or so his assistant emails it out to everyone he works with. I think the brief is due Wednesday, he thinks it’s due tomorrow. He has twice corrected me when I mentioned the due date in passing in emails. This is a good partner, but not the type that likes to be corrected by associates, and I’m not sure how we can come to agreement on this, so I think we’re just going to end up filing a day early.
This is in Illinois, where parties set their own briefing schedules. We WROTE the scheduling order that says it’s due on June 12.
The joys of the pre-oci process of sending applications out into the void, slogging through screeners, and waiting to hear back.
Reading this sub helps to keep that stuff in perspective though!
I'm more than a decade into my legal career and am looking to change firms. Unfortunately, the process isn't any better. Recruiter reaches out to firms, we send in my resume and info on my clients, we wait. I get some interviews, then wait some more. If I'm lucky, I get more interviews. Then wait.
My group is really great culturally minus one senior associate who I explicitly refuse to work with now because of how horribly he treated me. Sadly we have some post-closing crap for a deal that closed awhile back. Sent him drafts in April. He sent me comments today wanting to send them out by EOD. I am on track to bill 70+ hours this week for a huge closing plus other matters. Pretty sure I’m just not gonna respond until tomorrow. What are you gonna do, fire me. If it was that important you would’ve reviewed in the last two months. Super short doc so it took him like 40 mins to review tops.
No one is going to remember your work product in 1.5 years when you actually start. No one is giving you anything legitimately important. Just don’t make typos or obviously half ass it and you’re fine. I guarantee you most if not all of what you produce is not actually useful to the attorneys no matter how hard you work
The original post got deleted so I don't know what's going on. But in some cases, summers do get to do something useful. Several years ago when I was a summer, I split my summer between NY and an overseas satellite office - my time at the satellite office was a working one and I had to fill in a dd chart, assist with drafting an issues list and essentially function as a junior associate whereas my time in NY was the one you are talking about with made-up research assignments that no one cares about.
They said they were stressed and working nights and weekends to make sure their assignments were perfect to build a good reputation.
Having a summer do substantial work is probably malpractice. If you filled in a DD chart then I hope to god a 1st year was doing in parallel lol.
Filling in dd chart is something a smart high school kid can do. That was a small overseas office and I was supervised by a senior associate. You do know that we don't even assign anything to first or second years with no supervision, right? From our perspective, no real difference between summers and stub years or first years with little experience.
Realize that what you saw is not everything. I've worked at a few different firms and some firms do make their summers work.
Talk about malpractice all you want, but at my previous overseas satellite office of a major US firn, we even had a paralegal (who had a law degree and passed the bar in a foreign jurisdiction) help out with due diligence. I experienced NY for some years and some other markets for some years. Things tend to be different once you leave NY.
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Imaginary emergencies. Disagree all you want, but there is no legitimate reason to urgently worry (as if Rich people give a fuck about us) and work past 5PM on a Friday… it can wait until 9AM Monday. The idea that it can’t being a hallmark of biglaw (and falsely asserted as the sole reason a dipshit 26YO woman like me is paid so much) is mostly not true. Should we be available more than people paid way less? Probably yeah, but at the end of the day we are paid what we are because clients can afford it.
I have the same rant and would add: the status of seniors who dump that Friday evening/weekend work to you immediately shows away or offline after telling you it’s important to send whatever it is to clients ASAP.
Why is it surprising that their status shows away or offline?
This week has been pretty chill, ngl. Billing 40hr from home is better than any job I ever had in corporate America
i got covid and it sucks. not only do i feel like shit but my house is a mess and i have so much work piled up from trying to take a day off ❤️
Been working on a fairly significant brief for a partner I regularly work for. He keeps a paper calendar, doesn’t use outlook. Once a month or so his assistant emails it out to everyone he works with. I think the brief is due Wednesday, he thinks it’s due tomorrow. He has twice corrected me when I mentioned the due date in passing in emails. This is a good partner, but not the type that likes to be corrected by associates, and I’m not sure how we can come to agreement on this, so I think we’re just going to end up filing a day early. This is in Illinois, where parties set their own briefing schedules. We WROTE the scheduling order that says it’s due on June 12.
The joys of the pre-oci process of sending applications out into the void, slogging through screeners, and waiting to hear back. Reading this sub helps to keep that stuff in perspective though!
I'm more than a decade into my legal career and am looking to change firms. Unfortunately, the process isn't any better. Recruiter reaches out to firms, we send in my resume and info on my clients, we wait. I get some interviews, then wait some more. If I'm lucky, I get more interviews. Then wait.
My group is really great culturally minus one senior associate who I explicitly refuse to work with now because of how horribly he treated me. Sadly we have some post-closing crap for a deal that closed awhile back. Sent him drafts in April. He sent me comments today wanting to send them out by EOD. I am on track to bill 70+ hours this week for a huge closing plus other matters. Pretty sure I’m just not gonna respond until tomorrow. What are you gonna do, fire me. If it was that important you would’ve reviewed in the last two months. Super short doc so it took him like 40 mins to review tops.
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You’ll look back on this summer longingly when you’re a junior associate, I’m sure!
No one is going to remember your work product in 1.5 years when you actually start. No one is giving you anything legitimately important. Just don’t make typos or obviously half ass it and you’re fine. I guarantee you most if not all of what you produce is not actually useful to the attorneys no matter how hard you work
The original post got deleted so I don't know what's going on. But in some cases, summers do get to do something useful. Several years ago when I was a summer, I split my summer between NY and an overseas satellite office - my time at the satellite office was a working one and I had to fill in a dd chart, assist with drafting an issues list and essentially function as a junior associate whereas my time in NY was the one you are talking about with made-up research assignments that no one cares about.
They said they were stressed and working nights and weekends to make sure their assignments were perfect to build a good reputation. Having a summer do substantial work is probably malpractice. If you filled in a DD chart then I hope to god a 1st year was doing in parallel lol.
Filling in dd chart is something a smart high school kid can do. That was a small overseas office and I was supervised by a senior associate. You do know that we don't even assign anything to first or second years with no supervision, right? From our perspective, no real difference between summers and stub years or first years with little experience. Realize that what you saw is not everything. I've worked at a few different firms and some firms do make their summers work. Talk about malpractice all you want, but at my previous overseas satellite office of a major US firn, we even had a paralegal (who had a law degree and passed the bar in a foreign jurisdiction) help out with due diligence. I experienced NY for some years and some other markets for some years. Things tend to be different once you leave NY.