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ChongusTheSupremus

Yeah, foreigners were required to work as Hunters as pay for receiving Blood transfusion, thats how we become Hunters at the start of the game.


ImAllBored

Never heard that before, but sounds reasonable. Where does the idea come from?


Drowsy_Deer

I assume most people don’t want to be Hunters voluntarily, the best way of keeping the Hunter ranks filled was probably by making sick foreigners sign contracts to become Hunters in exchange for blood healing.


Donsilo2

The start of the game...


claybine

But that's for signing blood contracts to become the Hunter of the Dream.


MensisScholar4

No, you didn't sign a contract for that. To become a Moon Scented Hunter you get branded by the Moon Presence with the Hunter's Mark. There are many hunters who aren't a Hunter from the dream and many more who were but not anymore.


claybine

I see how one may come to that conclusion, but curiously, do you have evidence of this? I've always had the idea that we become the moon-scented hunter because of the specific transfusion. We're special, because we signed a different contract and that contract was branded by the Hunter's Mark rune. Do we think that every Healing Church Hunter signed a blood contract and saw the burning scourge beast? We are essentially immune to the scourge (yet are able to conjure it through Beasthood). Easily confusable.


Wyatt_the_Whack

You are correct. The dream was created by Laurence and Gherman forming a contract with the moon presence the night old Yharnam was burned to the ground. The immortal dreaming hunters are contracted by blood ministers and are lead by Gherman the hunters helpers. Your mission given to you by Gherman was to stop the unending night of the hunt. You stop the unending night of the hunt by freeing Mergo and stopping the mensis ritual which was beckoning the paleblood moon, which in turn causes people to be driven mad becoming beasts much faster. This is why Gherman frees you from the dream after defeating the whetnurse you stopped the ritual and the unending night of the hunt. Mind you your character also has his own reasons for coming to Yharnam which is to find the paleblood, paleblood being another name for the moon presence.


Donsilo2

Watch the intro. Gehrman calls you an outsider and says that to get paleblood, you need the contract. It's assumed your PC came to Yharnam to cure a sickness, like many other foreigners before him.


brooksofmaun

So if your old and in a wheelchair you automatically become the first hunter lmao, good to know


claybine

The Blood Minister is a different character entirely. We are, in fact, outsiders. But we're different to the Hunters of the Healing Church. Our blood contract brands us with the Hunter's Mark, binding us to the Dream (imo). He's not the only one who calls us outsiders. I believe Gilbert and Eileen do as well, the latter in which also had the mark. It's not explicitly clear how or why we were chosen, however.


Wyatt_the_Whack

Paleblood is another name for the moon presence, your character coming to Yharnam for a sickness is a red hearing. Paleblood is suppose to make you think of things like the churches special blood, ashen blood, or kin blood but eventually through reading the world notes it's revealed to be another name for the moon presence and the blood moon it creates when beckoned. Paleblood being the moon is also confirmed by miyazaki in an interview.


not-hardly

The healing Church is scapegoating foreigners about the problems they're having, when the healing church is the one causing the problems.


MensisScholar4

They're also foreigners, too. Lawrence wasn't from Yharnam, that's why the yharnamites are seen killing church officials in Cathedral Ward.


GamerOverkill03

I’m pretty sure the reason Yharnamites hate foreigners is because of various superstitions about the source of the scourge, one of which being “impure” blood of non-Yharnamites or something like that. Due to this prevalent distrust of outsiders, people who come to the city for blood healing (like our character) are forced to sign contracts to become Hunters.


Brave_Fencer_Poe

I believe the hate also has something to do with the Vilebloods. The Vilebloods got the forbidden blood from a defector of Byrgenwerth. Then the forbidden blood made them into what was basically vampires, until Logarius (in a time that we assume was at the beginning of the Healing Church years) sends in the Executioners to exterminate the vilebloods- who had probably started roaming Yharnam. You can see Cainhurst from Yharnam but could it be considered foreign? Also the colour of foreigners seems to be red/burgundy and the Noble dresses of Cainhurst are that red colour. Which may also be the reason why Arianna is shunned as a prostitute and not a blood saint (prostitute in this case meaning selling blood for money).


Different_Stable_351

I never thought of her like that. I thought she was just a normal Lady of the Night. I've gained insight from this


Dev_Grendel

They don't like foreigners because they have their own weird insular ways. There was never some kind of foreigner related issue.


jckcrll

I’m just confused what the colour of fabric has to do with this. Not like I’ll recognise a French person by the colour of their T-shirt.


another_puppeteer

i think it's fair to speculate or theorize when most likely this was an intentional design choice


jckcrll

On the one hand, I get where you’re coming from: in art, everything is intentional, and such cryptic clues may very well be sprinkled in. On the other hand, I do think “these two things are kind of the same colour” might be a reach.


another_puppeteer

i see your point. i do think the fabrics/vests do look similar. then again the devs could've just use the same assets but i do think it is an interesting find nonetheless.


claybine

Yet it looks to be the exact same suit attire, with the vest shape on the bottom, with the buttons straight down the middle. Same exact mesh and everything imo.


Pinkparade524

Sounds like an easy way to save a little money and reuse assets tho


claybine

Some things can be described as such, but From Soft always has in game reasonings for the backstories of, well, anything. Perhaps if the garbs were in fact worn by foreigners and they're not just fancy looking vests it would've been said in the item description. Fair enough. But it's still something I didn't know about until today.


jckcrll

What the source for FS always having a reason for anything? They are very clever with that stuff but I honestly think the fandom made up the idea that *everything* is deliberate


Waldhexe

U dont deserve to be in this sub buhu


Bordanka

These are the same jackets... Are you actually blind?


jckcrll

Lmao I hope you appreciate the irony when you realise what a blunder you’ve made


Bordanka

Em, no because there isn't one? Ok, maybe they are not 1:1, but denying they're basically identical is silly


jcdoe

These aren’t the same vests. The only thing they have in common is that they are vests. They are different colors, they have different buttons, and Brador’s vest doesn’t even have pinstriping. The others appear to have differently space pinstripes, but it’s really hard to tell from the potato images shared. You can dye a garment and change its buttons, but you can’t change pinstriping. Different vests.


Bordanka

Omg, this isn't even the point the OP makes! The green vests used to be warn by foreigners. Nowadays it's red vests. So it's logical to assume that the foreigners were somewhat at fault, or the city folk thought they were at fault for all the bad things


jcdoe

We know the yharnamites hate foreigners tho. We don’t need thin connections like mismatched vests. The church blamed foreigners for the scourge.


Bordanka

That is true, not arguing with that. Where does the Church blaming the foreigners come from? I honestly don't remember and would be happy if you directed me to where it was implied/said in the game


jcdoe

lol I’ve been trying to google it as well. Sometimes it sucks that all of the lore is in brief quips on items, lol


jckcrll

The picture has the words “red” and “green” annotated onto it - which is what I was referencing - so the irony is in asking if I’m blind when you have made such a huge oversight.


Bordanka

The green ones and red ones are very similar, I would even say identical in their designs. So it's ironic towards you, not me, missing the similarity


jckcrll

Jesus you’re dense. I’m literally just talking about the writing on the picture. What are you even arguing with


Bordanka

The whole post and your criticism doesn't come from the writings the OP made. It's about the point the OP is making. Or do you just not like what the OP has written? That's pathetic, then


jckcrll

Buddy I don’t even know what you’re fucking saying anymore. Someone wrote the word “red” and “green” on a picture and I made a joke about colour not being an important decider of origin. That’s it. I’m not criticising. I’m not agreeing OR disagreeing with OP. I literally have no fucking clue why you started arguing with me, and I have even less idea why you’re still going. Please log off.


Bordanka

Well if it was a joke comment then I apologize. I thought you had an argument against OP's claim


birdlad69

Elaborate


BlueSoulDragon

ITS THEM GAT DANG ILLEGAL ALIENS ALL UP IN MY PURE YARNHAM, THEYS THE REASON HWHY THIS ALL HAPENED.


GROWINGSTRUGGLE

tHey touk Uor bLOUOuD!


lunarwarrior12

DEY DOOK ER BLUD!!


Next_Carrot7970

Da Durk ah Blurd


Funny_Code7079

The yarnham has fallen millions must move to odeon's chapel


ClockNormal3339

Atleast they’re REQUIRED to work lol


Cruel_Ruin

People seem to go a little crazy and like to make up elaborate baseless theories about bloodborne all the time. We already know Yharnumites dislike outsiders, but there's absolutely no basis to believe its because at the rise of the healing church they were attacked by foreigners all wearing the same color petticoat. Literally fanfiction, all we can do is pray to kosm to grant them eyes.


kyatorpo

This town's finished


SteelButterflye

Cainhurst sets all have some kind of red apparel, it's why we attribute the noble dress and Maria's outfit as sharing origin besides the item description. This theory isn't too weird in that respect


Bordanka

Don't listen to the haters. This theory actually makes a lot of sense. Father Gascoigne is a foreigner himself, not granted a status of a higher Healing Church member only because he's not from around the town. Laurence in earlier scripts was our pal from faraway lands just like us, but let's not use it as base for anything. If I remember descriptions of items of DLC weapons correctly the overall narrative is that the Healing Church was gathering as many people as they could in order to have a large unit of Hunters as well as their regular staff, most importantly in order to have "materials" for Blood Saints experiments. However the Fist of Gracia tells us that the said unit still mostly was formed from locals. We know from the base game that foreigners were flocking to Yahrnam due to healing properties of the blood the city was harvesting. Correct me if I'm but that's how Gascoigne decided to stay in the city in the first place. But this fame seems to overlap in the timeline with a growing suspicion of the Yarhnamites towards hunters. So basically while the Hunters were mostly locals people didn't have much trouble with them. However as things got worse and foreigners started to appear more frequently among Hunters the locals became more dissatisfied with their work. We can't say the foreigners are particularly to blame here, but the corelation is pretty clear here. Now the real question is how many of high members of the Healing Church and its broken off branches like Yahar'gul were foreigners as well. I would say that it is strange that the 100% local family of the Vilebloods were called Vilebloods by Church Executioners, although these guys are in direct blood relation to the Ptumerians. So why destroy something you base your whole religion on if only... You neither belong to the place to have your enterprise, nor you want a chance of being overthrown by a party of an equal power. Yeah, I remember the Vilebloods were kinda crazy assholes, bur like the Healing Church isn't. It's a battle of bad guys


ImAllBored

You have to keep in mind two things here. While the hate for church hunters may very well be because they are foreigners, the more likely reason is, that the church started killing people that were still innocent but who they suspected would turn into a beast soon. It is very likely that Yharnamites consider everything outside of Yharnam as foreigners. That means people from Byrgenwerth, people from Cainhurst and maybe people from the forbidden woods are probably considered outsiders by their standards and thus the church can be considered as an organization made by outsiders. Following the theory of Laurence's actions surrounding the summoning of the Moon Presence, Cainhurst was attacked by the executioners to get the child that Annalise had in order to use it's Cord to summon the Moon Presence


Bordanka

Yes, that's why I said the foreigners were probably at fault here, it's corelation, not a causation. Thanks for reminding about the reasons behind Cainhurst raid


CharredThermos

Yeah, I'm gonna second your comment here. Even if we don't know the full lore implications, this observation that the Foreign Garb is part of the Black and White Church Hunter sets is the first time I've seen it pointed out. I think it's an interesting discovery that could be driven by the lore, including in the ways you point out here.


Bordanka

Yeah. The important part is to point things out. Everything else is just a speculation


redsonatnight

Yharnam was obsessed with blood, to the point where it had replaced alcohol and people visited sex workers for blood instead of sex. When Lawrence, a foreigner, showed up with a purer type of old blood (from Byrgenworth's excavations) it seems like he was essentially given the keys to the city. The Grand Cathedral could not have been built in the time he has been in the city, and there are numerous indications he supplanted rather than built up their religion and beliefs. The suspicion towards the Church probably comes from their experiments. We know from the Research Hall they weren't healing people, they were experimenting on them. There's evidence Old Yharnam was not an accident but an experiment by the Church, and then it was burnt by them in one night. The Church more than earned the enmity of Yharnam, but for a society obsessed with blood and lineage, the foreigner excuse and the truth becomes intertwined.


westernblottest

It is implied that those that established the healing church (Laurance, Maria, Micholash, etc.) are foreigners. Originating from Berganwerth, or Cainhurst they came to Yharnam with the old blood they found in the catacombs under the city. They then shared the blood under the pretense of wanting to heal people but really wanting a willing population to experiment on to try and achieve their goal of transcending humanity. In the beginning they didn't know about the beast plague that would start because of the old blood they shared with Yharnamites. Like others have said, other foreigners came to Yharnam to get healed, and then were forced to become hunters, but was late in the time line of the healing church, well into the era of the healing church hunters where hunters operated openly vs Ghermans old/original hunters. It was also during this time where healing church propaganda blamed foreigners for being the cause of the beast plague and not the church themselves. This next part I base on the research and findings of lore hunters Tarnished Archeologist, and Sinclair Lore, check out their YouTube channels for more good information. In Tarnished Archeologist's research he suggests that Yharnam had a history of use of blood healing and worship long before the healing church entered the picture. The blood they used seemed to come from mothers who gave birth to infant great ones. These mothers were reveared as holy and had religions built around them, and their blood was free of any beast curse unlike the blood of the healing church. In Sinclair Lore "Bloodborne Up Close" they point out that after we arrive in the residential areas of Cathedral Ward we see many corpses of healing church members in the alley where the group of Yharnam huntsmen are hiding. They believe this is a sign that the citizens of Yharnam turned against the healing church in the end, after the church abandoned them and sealed all the entrances into the cathedral ward, such as the great bridge. All these factors are why I believe Yharnamites are resentful of foreigners. The creators of the healing church, who cursed them, abandoned and subverted their religion were forginers. As well as the propaganda that they were fed by the healing church before they turned against them.


claybine

Holy shit, I was today years old when I discovered this. I appreciate the insight!


Bigswordbonk

Didn’t the church do their best to blame the scourge of beasts on outsiders


OnionOfCatarina

Yharnamites resent foreigners because of the healing church. The healing church made Yharnam powerful due to the ability to heal anything. Thus they became proud of their city. Any foreigners thus I consider as a thief to the knowledge and strength of Yharnam


ClockNormal3339

Just like current day Europe


JohnVicres

I don't think cloth color correlates to their origin. They seem similar, but the problem is what defines foreigner clothing here; the only visibly foreigner set I can think of is the Constable's. I think there's more of a lost-in-translation problem than actual correlation here.


dylannsmitth

Tarnished archeologist has a good series of videos that directly touches on this at some point. Essentially they are against foreign blood because in their opinion they receive the holy blood from the church as a remedy to a bloodborne illness. In their eyes, the church's blood is therefore good, and foreign blood is unknown, tainted and bad. It is religiously motivated xenophobia Maybe I understood this differently than was intended, so defo watch his vids


[deleted]

no. Please do some research


Middle_Breadfruit490

It was propaganda from the church saying that outsiders were the ones causing the beast plague even though they themselves were the ones doing it with the old blood.