Paleblood is not literal blood. The old blood/beast blood/healing blood is the funky blood they found in the chalice dungeons, which formed a bunch of religions. Paleblood is what your character went to Yharnam in search of, without knowing exactly what it was. The guy in the window (Gilbert) also has no idea what paleblood is, but assumes it's literal blood & tells you to head to the cathedral ward, which was not actually the place to go for paleblood
"The nameless moon presence, beckoned by Laurence and his associates. Paleblood" -note from either Byrgenwerth or the lecture building (can't remember). The moon presence is paleblood. It's what unintentionally sought out to "transcend the hunt", which is your character's goal from the start. Miyazaki himself said that was an intended interpretation, in his interview from the collector's edition guide, as a response to the interviewer asking if it was meant to be the blood of great ones. This seems to very much suggest it is not the blood of great ones, it is the great ones themselves, or one specific great one
Another interpretation highlighted in that part of the interview is that paleblood is the colour of the sky over yahar'gul, after the blood moon is revealed, since the "pale blue" colour could look like a corpse drained of blood (it's pretty bright to me idk). This is the purpose of the "behold! A paleblood sky!" note. That idea, combined with the idea that the moon presence is also paleblood itself, gives the idea that paleblood is just truth itself. Understanding & overcoming the eldritch truth is how you ascend. The paleblood sky is the true sky, since the blood moon was already there, Rom was just shielding the world from the eldritch truth to prevent even more mass insanity
This is all nonsense, man, it's not like that.
The Healing Church has control over all types of blood, human or not, except for one type that they consider impure and dirty, the blood of the Vilebloods. And why is it considered impure? Because once a traitor from Byrgenwerth took the forbidden blood from Byrgenwerth to Cainhurst, creating the first immortal Vilebloods.
Ancient blood creates two branches:
Branch of the Healing of the Healing Church. The Healing Church wishes to maintain the dream of evolution and the nights of the hunt, hoping to become Celestial Attendants.
Branch of Impurity of the Vileblood Dynasty. The Vileblood Dragons (the cavalry) wish to feed the queen, who desires to obtain a child of blood, the only way for her to rid herself of that mask and endless nights, according to her convictions.
It is understood that Ancient Blood is synonymous with ancestral blood, the blood of a common individual that was used by both groups in different ways.
As for Pale Blood, it is a nickname for the Moon Presence, a hunter's purposeless pursuit, a force that governs the world and also an undesirable fate. The sick patients of the Healing Church are suffering from a disease of pale blood; the antidote tablets of the Church aim to slow down the disease of pale blood; the Church's treatment, which is phlebotomy, aims to exchange diseased blood for purified blood; the blood saints of the Church are considered saints because they can graciously offer their blood, absorbing the disease of pale blood. The ancient hunters who fell into the nightmare succumbed to pale blood. The Pthumerians were already suffering from pale blood since IZN/IZU; their way of escaping was to reach the same cosmic heights.
Therefore, it is understood that Pale Blood is the fleeting and inevitable fate of all cursed by blood as an hereditary, inevitable, and immeasurable disease. Something that is symbolized by Willem and Laurence's adage, we are born of the blood, made men by the blood, undone by the blood. But fear not, our eyes are yet to open! Fear the ancient blood. The sense of fear does not come from fear, but 'respect the ancient blood' as an authority because in it dwells an ancestral eminence, and their role is nothing but to serve the purpose of this underground and hidden entity.
Where the materialization is the Great One creature Moon Presence.
Therefore, all groups wish in some way to escape from Pale Blood, be it Church or Vilebloods.
The Ancient Blood has as its main ancestor KOS, and this is a DLC spoiler, as it refers to KOS explicitly as the source of all Greatness. It is known that the Great Ones as well as arcane power are connected to the disease of pale blood. Where KOS lies dead, there is an eternal funeral where the priests, pungent Apostles, summon the bloodless to gather around the cave and join in the howls and ominous chants, in supplication for mercy, as the poor abandoned child is still bound by pungency, the self-explanatory key point about how everything started. Thus, it is possible to understand that the fate of those who were undone by blood is to return to KOS's pungency.
However, in these incursions, there is a separation between the considered chosen and the degenerates, only those who have expired the blood can join as 'the bloodless.' While those who 'have drunk deeply' remain trapped in the night until they reach higher wisdom and accept their fate. For as long as the sweet child is not returned to the sea, accepting its fate, there will be a curse here, a curse there. A curse for him and her, why care. A bottomless curse, a bottomless sea, source of all greatness, all things that are.
Paleblood is what they called the moon presence
Old blood is the blood of the great ones
Yharnam blood comes from blood saints, created by the blood of Laurence's skull
No. The game starts with a blood contract, in the contract the character accepts to receive Yharnam's blood and enters the most superficial layer of the hunter's dream. As he delves deeper into this world, with more insight (cerebral eyes), he glimpses Greatness.
No. Laurence's Skull connects the hunter to Laurence's wisdom, he touches the Skull and sees the vision of the adagio, of how the Church of Healing began and how deep the dream is. It is exactly after touching the Skull that the player enters the depths of the night and can see the strangest things that live there.
The blood of the GreatOne is close to the ancient blood but it is not it. Ancient blood is from a common ancestor, a single individual. The rest are close relatives, those who have a hereditary connection and distant relatives, those who were adopted as family members.
The game is clear in stating that KOS is the source of all greatness, it is clear in stating that the sky and the cosmos are one, it is clear in demonstrating in statues that the woman in the headless statue is the provider of blood. \[Image of the statue\](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/bloodborne/images/1/19/Bloodborne%E2%84%A2\_20151013010910.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20151013164245)
What is behind the woman? The tree with dry branches. What do you see in the hunter's dream? \[Image of the hunter's dream\](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/G2\_A6pF6o4I/maxresdefault.jpg) The tree, the great tree with dry branches and the dead hunters around the base of the tree and at its center? The larger tombstone of Gehrman, the dream's ghost.
"In Elden Ring, we have the Eldtree, which is the tree that represents grace, the golden age, the great ancient virtues, said to be the Amber of the primordial forces. How does the Eldtree relate to Marika in Elden Ring? After the end of the golden age, blessings were granted by Queen Marika herself."
Similarly, Yharnam has its tree that represents life, but in Bloodborne, it is dead, the blood provided by the woman is not common blood but death blood, it carries echoes that are the last ominous tones of an order that has been lost but still echoes like the tolling of a bell through the cosmos. This means that there was once life and grace in the world of Bloodborne, but they lost it and became creatures of the night, the tree represents this while the woman represents the source of this perdition. Therefore, the blood of the woman is the source of the ancient blood.
Now think; which woman in Bloodborne has blood that does not coagulate?
To make it more clear we should keep in mind the Japanese version of "Paleblood" which is "Paled of blood", meaning the aspect of someone who has lost lots of blood.
The Moon Presence appears when the Red Moon which hangs low gets drained of blood. Moon Presence is the white moon.
That's also why we find a note saying "Look! A paleblood sky!" (A sky paled of blood) which represents the moment at sunset when the moon can shine and after the illusion of Rom has been broken.
灰血病 - ashen blood disease
It is not treated as a type of anemia, the comics define two concepts about Pale Blood. Those who receive treatment and die return as pale blood. Those who are born of blood like the boy Pthumeru are doomed to the pale blood. Although the context is a little different, we have enemies like the silver ladies, Silver Beast, Thirsty Beast who seem to be subjected to pale blood disease. Ludwig for example, his entire body taken over by the disease except his left eye.
But the ashen blood disease is what people in Old Yharnam had, which is different. Their disease came from Loran, and made their blood poisonous. Their progenitor might be the Bloodletting beast who also is poisonous and the cause is the parasite in the blood.
Loran and Yharnam are not directly linked civilizations. Loran serves to exemplify the fate of Yharnam, as does IZN/IZU. In Loran they succumbed to the scourge it became home to the beasts and the city was taken over by sand and darkness, in IZU they transcended and went to the high planes.
Both things are occurring in Yharnam, some have fallen into the nightmare others transformed into celestial emissaries. In every city they fell victim to the Scourge of beasts. And this is a point here about the Scourge and the Beasts, there is no Scourge without being a beast. Beasts are humans, why are humans becoming Beasts? It all starts with paranoia that evolves into madness and then frenzy.
This is why the priests of the Church are becoming beasts very easily, the paranoia for discovery and healing leads them to evil acts justified as kindness. But people are becoming Beasts too because even a girl can be paranoid about loneliness. Oedon's convolution is for everyone human or not, everyone is surreptitiously subjected to the ancient echoes that whisper in the darkness, flip flop, splish, splash...
The idea that Paleblood is a type of blood is an incorrect assumption. Paleblood is a name for the Moon Presence, and the color of the sky when the red moon descends. A Paleblood Sky, Paleblood’s Sky.
This is a riddle; Paleblood is just a nickname for the Moon Presence, remembering that in the Japanese version Moon Presence is called Lunar Demon. The True name of the lunar presence is 'Flora, of the blood'. Right next to Flora's true image inside the workshop was left the message "To escape this terrible nightmare it is necessary to stop the Scourge's spreading source". Now who is Flora and what led her to transform into a demon?
Old blood is the blood extracted from the great and is used to heal injuries. It also has the side effect of turning people into werewolves. Paleblood is… well, no one knows exactly what it is to the point that the largest lore compilation of bloodborne is called The Paleblood Hunt.
You are confused echoes of a greatone with ancient blood, they are different. Remember "Oedon Withe, human or not, blood is a good catalyst and the essence of the formless Great One." Whether human or eminent, whether Beast or GreatOne, everyone has ancient blood, some more than others and none is the primary source.
Old Blood: Blood of the horrors that dungeon-delvers found in the labyrinths, but could also more specifically refer to the blood of Kos and/or Ebrietas, both of whom had their blood used in the Healing Church's experiments.
Paleblood: Specifically referring to the Moon Presence, as this is its other epithet.
It's a "squares are rectangles, but rectangles aren't squares" situation. Paleblood could be referred to as a kind of Old Blood, but Old Blood does not refer to Paleblood.
The ancient blood especially comes from KOS in the first place but its indecipherable nature may be even more inexplicable, after all, if KOS provided the blood, who provided KOS? The truth is hidden beneath the Astral clock.
[https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/bloodborne/images/9/98/Bloodborne%E2%84%A2\_20151011235623.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20151013074327](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/bloodborne/images/9/98/Bloodborne%E2%84%A2_20151011235623.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20151013074327)
Paleblood is not literal blood. The old blood/beast blood/healing blood is the funky blood they found in the chalice dungeons, which formed a bunch of religions. Paleblood is what your character went to Yharnam in search of, without knowing exactly what it was. The guy in the window (Gilbert) also has no idea what paleblood is, but assumes it's literal blood & tells you to head to the cathedral ward, which was not actually the place to go for paleblood "The nameless moon presence, beckoned by Laurence and his associates. Paleblood" -note from either Byrgenwerth or the lecture building (can't remember). The moon presence is paleblood. It's what unintentionally sought out to "transcend the hunt", which is your character's goal from the start. Miyazaki himself said that was an intended interpretation, in his interview from the collector's edition guide, as a response to the interviewer asking if it was meant to be the blood of great ones. This seems to very much suggest it is not the blood of great ones, it is the great ones themselves, or one specific great one Another interpretation highlighted in that part of the interview is that paleblood is the colour of the sky over yahar'gul, after the blood moon is revealed, since the "pale blue" colour could look like a corpse drained of blood (it's pretty bright to me idk). This is the purpose of the "behold! A paleblood sky!" note. That idea, combined with the idea that the moon presence is also paleblood itself, gives the idea that paleblood is just truth itself. Understanding & overcoming the eldritch truth is how you ascend. The paleblood sky is the true sky, since the blood moon was already there, Rom was just shielding the world from the eldritch truth to prevent even more mass insanity
_Ah, a true scholar_
Honestly I think somebody should just do a big summary video of everything we’ve discovered so far in the lore since there are so many new players now
This is all nonsense, man, it's not like that. The Healing Church has control over all types of blood, human or not, except for one type that they consider impure and dirty, the blood of the Vilebloods. And why is it considered impure? Because once a traitor from Byrgenwerth took the forbidden blood from Byrgenwerth to Cainhurst, creating the first immortal Vilebloods. Ancient blood creates two branches: Branch of the Healing of the Healing Church. The Healing Church wishes to maintain the dream of evolution and the nights of the hunt, hoping to become Celestial Attendants. Branch of Impurity of the Vileblood Dynasty. The Vileblood Dragons (the cavalry) wish to feed the queen, who desires to obtain a child of blood, the only way for her to rid herself of that mask and endless nights, according to her convictions. It is understood that Ancient Blood is synonymous with ancestral blood, the blood of a common individual that was used by both groups in different ways. As for Pale Blood, it is a nickname for the Moon Presence, a hunter's purposeless pursuit, a force that governs the world and also an undesirable fate. The sick patients of the Healing Church are suffering from a disease of pale blood; the antidote tablets of the Church aim to slow down the disease of pale blood; the Church's treatment, which is phlebotomy, aims to exchange diseased blood for purified blood; the blood saints of the Church are considered saints because they can graciously offer their blood, absorbing the disease of pale blood. The ancient hunters who fell into the nightmare succumbed to pale blood. The Pthumerians were already suffering from pale blood since IZN/IZU; their way of escaping was to reach the same cosmic heights. Therefore, it is understood that Pale Blood is the fleeting and inevitable fate of all cursed by blood as an hereditary, inevitable, and immeasurable disease. Something that is symbolized by Willem and Laurence's adage, we are born of the blood, made men by the blood, undone by the blood. But fear not, our eyes are yet to open! Fear the ancient blood. The sense of fear does not come from fear, but 'respect the ancient blood' as an authority because in it dwells an ancestral eminence, and their role is nothing but to serve the purpose of this underground and hidden entity. Where the materialization is the Great One creature Moon Presence. Therefore, all groups wish in some way to escape from Pale Blood, be it Church or Vilebloods. The Ancient Blood has as its main ancestor KOS, and this is a DLC spoiler, as it refers to KOS explicitly as the source of all Greatness. It is known that the Great Ones as well as arcane power are connected to the disease of pale blood. Where KOS lies dead, there is an eternal funeral where the priests, pungent Apostles, summon the bloodless to gather around the cave and join in the howls and ominous chants, in supplication for mercy, as the poor abandoned child is still bound by pungency, the self-explanatory key point about how everything started. Thus, it is possible to understand that the fate of those who were undone by blood is to return to KOS's pungency. However, in these incursions, there is a separation between the considered chosen and the degenerates, only those who have expired the blood can join as 'the bloodless.' While those who 'have drunk deeply' remain trapped in the night until they reach higher wisdom and accept their fate. For as long as the sweet child is not returned to the sea, accepting its fate, there will be a curse here, a curse there. A curse for him and her, why care. A bottomless curse, a bottomless sea, source of all greatness, all things that are.
Well if you seek pale blood you will transcend the hunt but you should always fear the old blood
If transcending the hunt is freeing oneself from the night, the only way to do so is to accept Gehrman's offer and to die in the dream.
Paleblood is what they called the moon presence Old blood is the blood of the great ones Yharnam blood comes from blood saints, created by the blood of Laurence's skull
So the hunter took Laurence's skull blood? Ok Which one is the all curing blood
The hunter probably took yharnum blood from a blood Saint
No. The game starts with a blood contract, in the contract the character accepts to receive Yharnam's blood and enters the most superficial layer of the hunter's dream. As he delves deeper into this world, with more insight (cerebral eyes), he glimpses Greatness.
I don't see how that conflicts with what I said.
The idea is not to conflict but to explain the definitions and context.
You said "no"
No. Laurence's Skull connects the hunter to Laurence's wisdom, he touches the Skull and sees the vision of the adagio, of how the Church of Healing began and how deep the dream is. It is exactly after touching the Skull that the player enters the depths of the night and can see the strangest things that live there.
The blood of the GreatOne is close to the ancient blood but it is not it. Ancient blood is from a common ancestor, a single individual. The rest are close relatives, those who have a hereditary connection and distant relatives, those who were adopted as family members.
Which part of the game did you get that information?
The game is clear in stating that KOS is the source of all greatness, it is clear in stating that the sky and the cosmos are one, it is clear in demonstrating in statues that the woman in the headless statue is the provider of blood. \[Image of the statue\](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/bloodborne/images/1/19/Bloodborne%E2%84%A2\_20151013010910.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20151013164245) What is behind the woman? The tree with dry branches. What do you see in the hunter's dream? \[Image of the hunter's dream\](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/G2\_A6pF6o4I/maxresdefault.jpg) The tree, the great tree with dry branches and the dead hunters around the base of the tree and at its center? The larger tombstone of Gehrman, the dream's ghost. "In Elden Ring, we have the Eldtree, which is the tree that represents grace, the golden age, the great ancient virtues, said to be the Amber of the primordial forces. How does the Eldtree relate to Marika in Elden Ring? After the end of the golden age, blessings were granted by Queen Marika herself." Similarly, Yharnam has its tree that represents life, but in Bloodborne, it is dead, the blood provided by the woman is not common blood but death blood, it carries echoes that are the last ominous tones of an order that has been lost but still echoes like the tolling of a bell through the cosmos. This means that there was once life and grace in the world of Bloodborne, but they lost it and became creatures of the night, the tree represents this while the woman represents the source of this perdition. Therefore, the blood of the woman is the source of the ancient blood. Now think; which woman in Bloodborne has blood that does not coagulate?
So no source then. Got it
Isn't the old blood pale in colour = paleblood
Old and incoagulable Blood is different from all forms of blood that can create gems and blood rocks.
Do you have any evidence from the game to back up your theory?
I am not making any theory I am asking questions
birdlad69's answer is the one you want.
To make it more clear we should keep in mind the Japanese version of "Paleblood" which is "Paled of blood", meaning the aspect of someone who has lost lots of blood. The Moon Presence appears when the Red Moon which hangs low gets drained of blood. Moon Presence is the white moon. That's also why we find a note saying "Look! A paleblood sky!" (A sky paled of blood) which represents the moment at sunset when the moon can shine and after the illusion of Rom has been broken.
灰血病 - ashen blood disease It is not treated as a type of anemia, the comics define two concepts about Pale Blood. Those who receive treatment and die return as pale blood. Those who are born of blood like the boy Pthumeru are doomed to the pale blood. Although the context is a little different, we have enemies like the silver ladies, Silver Beast, Thirsty Beast who seem to be subjected to pale blood disease. Ludwig for example, his entire body taken over by the disease except his left eye.
But the ashen blood disease is what people in Old Yharnam had, which is different. Their disease came from Loran, and made their blood poisonous. Their progenitor might be the Bloodletting beast who also is poisonous and the cause is the parasite in the blood.
Loran and Yharnam are not directly linked civilizations. Loran serves to exemplify the fate of Yharnam, as does IZN/IZU. In Loran they succumbed to the scourge it became home to the beasts and the city was taken over by sand and darkness, in IZU they transcended and went to the high planes. Both things are occurring in Yharnam, some have fallen into the nightmare others transformed into celestial emissaries. In every city they fell victim to the Scourge of beasts. And this is a point here about the Scourge and the Beasts, there is no Scourge without being a beast. Beasts are humans, why are humans becoming Beasts? It all starts with paranoia that evolves into madness and then frenzy. This is why the priests of the Church are becoming beasts very easily, the paranoia for discovery and healing leads them to evil acts justified as kindness. But people are becoming Beasts too because even a girl can be paranoid about loneliness. Oedon's convolution is for everyone human or not, everyone is surreptitiously subjected to the ancient echoes that whisper in the darkness, flip flop, splish, splash...
The idea that Paleblood is a type of blood is an incorrect assumption. Paleblood is a name for the Moon Presence, and the color of the sky when the red moon descends. A Paleblood Sky, Paleblood’s Sky.
This is a riddle; Paleblood is just a nickname for the Moon Presence, remembering that in the Japanese version Moon Presence is called Lunar Demon. The True name of the lunar presence is 'Flora, of the blood'. Right next to Flora's true image inside the workshop was left the message "To escape this terrible nightmare it is necessary to stop the Scourge's spreading source". Now who is Flora and what led her to transform into a demon?
Old blood is the blood extracted from the great and is used to heal injuries. It also has the side effect of turning people into werewolves. Paleblood is… well, no one knows exactly what it is to the point that the largest lore compilation of bloodborne is called The Paleblood Hunt.
You are confused echoes of a greatone with ancient blood, they are different. Remember "Oedon Withe, human or not, blood is a good catalyst and the essence of the formless Great One." Whether human or eminent, whether Beast or GreatOne, everyone has ancient blood, some more than others and none is the primary source.
Old Blood: Blood of the horrors that dungeon-delvers found in the labyrinths, but could also more specifically refer to the blood of Kos and/or Ebrietas, both of whom had their blood used in the Healing Church's experiments. Paleblood: Specifically referring to the Moon Presence, as this is its other epithet. It's a "squares are rectangles, but rectangles aren't squares" situation. Paleblood could be referred to as a kind of Old Blood, but Old Blood does not refer to Paleblood.
The ancient blood especially comes from KOS in the first place but its indecipherable nature may be even more inexplicable, after all, if KOS provided the blood, who provided KOS? The truth is hidden beneath the Astral clock. [https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/bloodborne/images/9/98/Bloodborne%E2%84%A2\_20151011235623.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20151013074327](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/bloodborne/images/9/98/Bloodborne%E2%84%A2_20151011235623.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20151013074327)