The negativity in the post-match thread was just off the charts. I get being passionate and upset, I get questioning coaching decisions and playing performances, what I don’t get it out-and-out vitriol for our boys.
How can you say you support the team while calling half of them useless pricks who should get traded? The one good thing about being a fan in the mid-2010s was that these fair-weather fuckwits were far less common.
Are you honestly satisfied with the level of commitment and desire you saw last night? From a group who should have a point to prove after narrowly missing out on grand final glory last season? If demanding more effort from them makes me a fairweather fan then so be it.
It was definitely selfish arrogant football.
It came in droves through the second quarter. It’s the time you want the coach at the long break to tell the players to pull your heads out of your arse a recognise you aren’t a premiership team. You have no rights to play like you’ve already won after a great quarter of footy. And if you let them back in you will lose.
The issue the so callled “loud minority” have is, Fagan either
A) doesn’t ever recognise this
B) is uninspiring as a coach
C) has no idea what to do in this situation
Answer me this; do Collingwood lose this game ?
Go on answer it!
We all know the answer.
They come out of the woodwork whenever there is a loss or even a close win! At least a grand final berth shut these F-wits up for a few months!
Tonight's game is hopefully a blip in an otherwise fantastic season for Fagan and the boys!
If we hadn’t made the granny it would have just been as expected under fages!
Nice that you’ve had to turn it to attack of character though. Top notch.
A serial offender? For some better words, my opinion is consistent.
Hahahahah hahah ahahaha I miss that guy. From memory though I didn’t think he liked my opinion ?
But I do appreciate LRRH and his passion.
And wether we have the same opinion or not
I don’t begrudge anyone on this thread and I accept that we don’t have the same opinion.
I don’t agree with your making things a personal attack and misinforming other readers of what I did and did not say.
>If we hadn’t made the granny it would have just been as expected under fages!
Can you please make this sentence make sense?
>my opinion is consistent.
Consistently WILDY off the mark!
He gives the boys a top 4 position every single year! That's how you contest for premierships!
I can actually,
Delving into a hypothetical scenario (as the cow loves a fantasy) there is a prevalent perspective within the football community that had Carlton not faced significant injuries in the semi against Melbourne, they could have emerged victorious against the Lions in the preliminary final, and I confidently say most in this thread would agree.
This viewpoint challenges the certainty of predicting the Lions' victory over Carlton.
In elite sports, particularly against top-tier opponents, psychological factors hold equal importance to physical fitness, skill proficiency, and strategic implementation.
Presently, Carlton appears to hold a substantial psychological advantage, a crucial element in achieving success. And that’s now a problem for us. The timing of the game, even if it is the first round, does not diminish the significance of securing a win in such a matchup. And if you disagree - again pull your head out and wipe the shit from eyes.
The shift happened in the second quarter. Carlton countered our game plan. Fagan did little in response.
Also the OP is saying they kicked like they never touched the footy yet we started out with 8 goals 2, yet another invalid moot point.
It was selfish arrogant football. And that is one reason for the head coach to be in his role. To call that out. Especially with the full second half to go.
The big issue isn’t anything to do with how Dizzy was used or Fages as coach. The issue is, and I have said this for the better part of 4-5 years, is our insane inaccuracy in front of goals with simple set shots or high % scoring options. We went 1.6 in the third and had plenty of SIMPLE opportunities to either halt momentum or take the lead. Charlie Cameron is a great example, last shot of the quarter, easy as it gets, and he sprays it. We rely too much on individual brilliance (which served us well, don’t get me wrong) to put on a big score, but when we need someone to settle us down and take advantage of a simple, high % option, no one is reliable.
I agree that it’s our first game and there’s nothing to be worried about - we were embarrassed last year by Port in round one, so at least this was a closer game!
I understand your explanation, but absolutes don't work in this case. Sometimes Chuckie is that one reliable guy who calms us down. Sometimes it's Joey, although not as common. Last night Linc stood up in front, but the team didn't respond. Same with Froggy down back.
I said in the post match thread last night that I wouldn't be surprised if we shit the bed for the next few weeks before properly hitting our stride. Whether it's at the start of the season, or a few rounds in, we usually drop a couple because the boys are dusty and can't play a full game of footy.
That’s basically what I said though, we rely too much on individuals to get it done. We need more consistency to be dangerous against the good teams, if any of those 6 behinds are converted (which they absolutely should have been), we don’t lose that game. It’s been a consistent issue for too long now and it will keep exposing us
Feel like you’re overlooking some factors, firstly we gave up a 40+ point lead on our home deck where we haven’t lost in over a season.
This is not the first time we have lost games in this exact manner. In fact it’s hard to find a game we have won where we have played a complete game, for the most part we win games by having a solid 10 minute stretch and then hang onto that lead until the end.
It does appear when the momentum shifts we don’t do anything to change our game plan, the most noticeable time we did something was berry on Oliver which fagan admitted want his idea.
We put Gardiner up forward and watch Payne get a towling for 3 quarters.
This constant referral to do you remember where this club came from… yeah we remember. We also remember where we have been the last 5 years and that’s why our expectation is higher then a “oh it round one and we lost by a point.”
A new coach maybe, maybe not. I personally would like to see what someone else could do with this list but that doesn’t mean Fagan doesn’t have what it takes
I said last year that it was a grand final or bust for him and he achieved that which has given him a 2 year reprieve, I was definitely an advocate for a coaching staff overhaul which their was one change.
I don't like his "where we come from" speech he offers up it gives the players and coaching staff a cop out, good clubs don't make these cop outs.
I wasn't expecting us to win but it's the manner in which we lost which happens a lot which is what infuriates fans more than anything. The end of the day it's 1 loss they showed in the 1st what can be done more of that less 3rd qtr. You've nailed the momentum shifts too he is very slow to stop the rot
I'd like to see bolder coaching decisions during the game when momentum swings away from us - the obvious being Gardiner left in the forwards for so long when he is there for flexibility.
Which is not - sack Fagan - but, get some more creative gameday coaches in the box on game day
I'm a big advocate for this. I'm no AFL strategy expert, and I understand how complex the game is and that's it's a limiting factor for creating multiple strategies to implement mid qtr. But blow me down, they have to have something up their sleeves. I refuse to believe that they don't have anything that can't be implemented mid qtr to disturb the flow of the game.
The boys have improved heaps over the last few years at slowing the game down and switching on the backline to control ball movement. It seems to me that they'd lost that touch last night.
I was at the game last night and that loss left a bad taste in my mouth. Because of Fagan? No. Because Carlton supporters were booing their own players. The environment was toxic, and it almost made me feel sorry for the Carlton team. Those fans did not deserve that win. So to see our own fans jump on a negativity bandwagon? That hurts.
Fagan did a wonderful job picking up our team from the dregs of our 2010-2016 period. We’ve had consistency for so long, which is something a lot of people overlook. Some need a reality check.
We kick a couple of those easier shots in the third/early fourth during their run it’s a different game. Could see a few small things they’d changed in the first half but yes it was frustrating to get beaten the same way yet again
It wasn't the same team that made the prelims last season, they were missing Wietering, Walsh, Martin, Motlop, Marchbank. We were up by FORTY-SIX points and CHOKED at what is supposed to be our FORTRESS! While the coach just sat there chewing his bubble gum and scratching his head.
Fagan put this club back on its feet and we have a lot to be grateful for, but if last night proved anything it's that he doesn't have a clue how to defend and he doesn't have a plan b. He is not going to be the man to win us a flag and I would be doing everything possible to get Chris Scott before our premiership window slams shut.
Sorry for the intrusion, just interested in your fans point of view. Should Fagan be under any kind of heat? He’s obviously done a wonderful job coaching and building the list. 5 years of finals, 4 being top 4. You’ve been a genuine contender for the flag for majority of those years.
You’ll have more years of contending going forward, that’s how strong the list is. But if he doesn’t win a flag this year, surely this list is somewhat being wasted. Teams don’t usually have a premiership window this long. If and when that window closes, it will be an absolute disaster if this list hasn’t won a premiership.
I think anyone calling for him to be sacked is crazy, just don’t understand why he isn’t under some heat from outside Brisbane.
He's under an expected amount of heat simply from being "thereabouts but not quite there" for the past 5 years. There's no serious calls of sacking from any rational fan but there are the occasional questions about some of his tactics and decisions. But he's gotten us to 2 prelims, 1 granny and top 4 the past 5 years so there shouldn't be any alarm bells ringing yet. However, if we miss at least prelim this year I reckon there will be a few. He's clearly a fucking amazing coach though, the players love him and fans do too.
The Lions should have won by 80 or more after building that lead but as has happened often in the past they switched off, thinking the game was won at half time. They paid the price. Again. They simply do not have a killer instinct that is the hallmark of great teams. They are still in with a big chance of winning the premiership this season but I want to see them begin to smash opposition teams more often to be convinced they have what it takes to go one step further than last year.
Copy pasta level writing aside, I certainly agree with the sentiment. However..
This is a typical response from a desperate fandom not having their expectations met. Most of those people need a scapegoat and don't have better ways to process their emotions. Just let them be to exorcise their demons. There's nowhere better than our subreddit.
Look, Fagan has been great for us and got us this far. I appreciate that, and he built the car
Problem is he doesn’t know how to drive it. He gets outcoached constantly, as we saw in the Blues game. Blues were struggling, Vossy made changes. Fagan, did not.
He picks his favourites and doesn’t change the team even when we need a change. Last year, Berry, Hipwood and Gunston were all in the team despite not performing to a level worthy of that loyalty. Yet, he kept them in.
Reality is, we only made the grand final last year because we played at home. Had we finished 3rd, we don’t make it and Fagan doesn’t keep his job.
I love this team and they’re talented as hell, but we get exposed with the same game plan and same mentality. And then when we see Fagan getting on press conferences and trying to make a positive out of shit games, that doesn’t ring much confidence.
He’s gotten us to this point, but the reality is we need someone else to take us over the hump
Even in this scared little OP’spost, wherever you are 🤷♂️ you make a comment about the poor coaching of Fagan and don’t even know it.
Last year I pointed out the lions highest scoring and most efficient forward line.
All those players are on the list playing for the lions.
Yet as you said Gardner in the forward line?
The guy can lock down almost any forward. Including curnow.
That’s on Fagan.
That’s why people with the big balls come here against people like you and the emotional cow and speak up.
Gardner in the forward line are we fucking kidding.
If Gardner played his true spot,
The likely hood is that’s a potential comfortable win.
Hey let’s experiment with Rayner off the half back line.
On Fagan.
Stop playing with your food Fagan. Coach the team.
A leader always knows to play players in their strongest positions.
That’s why you are a leader.
Kicked the first 8/10 goals go on to to lose to an undermanned 5th seed at home.
Bring back the “FOF”.
He should have been sacked a couple of years ago.
I don’t even need to watch his presser to know what he said.
That so called by you “loud minority”,
Want the same thing, a premiership!
They just have different opinion to yours.
> Should have been sacked a couple of years ago.
You're still going to spew this shit after making the granny, going undefeated at gabba last year, having won more games in 5 years than all other clubs not named Geelong?
All that after a decade of basketcase existence that saw no end until Fagan came along?
His coaching got the game back to an arm wrestle last night it was the boys that failed on execution in the 4th. I looked like heavy legs from the boys in the 4th, something that happens in round 1.
The boys will be top 4 again this year! That usually comes with 5-8 losses...are you going to call for his head after every single loss this year? Like you have for the past 3-4 years?
I’ve called for his head after poor wins aswell.
Have you looked at this game from the other side
We are home with a 50 point lead.
Why are using heavy legs in the 4th as an excuse ?
Did Carlton have heavy legs in the 4th?
The criticism here is if you’re a premier team (as we believe the lions are or at least should be) do you win this game?
The criticism here is more than warranted it’s deserved.
Some of us here aren’t afraid to hold Fagan and the team accountable for under achieving.
Some people in life know what it takes.
You want to sit on effort you’ll lose.
Carlton put in Brisbane didn’t.
That loss set their season up.
It wasn’t a blip as you are saying. It’s a god damn embarrassment. I will hold them to that.
>I’ve called for his head after poor wins aswell.
What is the point in that? Let's be real if we won the granny, it would have been us pinching it from the pies... you're saying that in that circumstance you would have STILL called for fagans head even after a poor winning performance that gave us a cup! That's a hypothetical obviously but one that fits your description.
You're as fair Weather as they come, it's round 1 you Muppet! It was a great win by a team that will be up there come September.
Do the maths... we're a top team with a good coach! You're not holding anyone accountable. You're sooking to deal with a loss instead of giving the victor their due credit! Good win by Carlton!
That’s not what I said. You’re just lamely attempting to put words on my comments to justify your poor argument. We didn’t win the cup you’ve manufactured yourself a fantasy that isn’t true a compiling an argument from it.
You’re a dreamer living in a fantasy land.
Also not true, Again making up facts spreading misinformation about me and making falsified claims.
when the team have deserved praise and they have played well I’ve called that out on many occasions.
Yet have held firm on my criticism of fages.
I am also one of the very few to have defended Zorko and hold him in high value.
That would have been a game we deserved to lose but won. Fits your description to a T. But fair enough. It's my fault for trying to get into the mindset of an out of touch sook!
It seems that you continually steer the conversation away from discussing football and become more focused on personal attacks I presume this is because you realise you base your comments and opinion from zero to little facts and are possibly a juvenile football fan. Perhaps, you try to maintain a respectful and factual exchange without resorting to. Your comments, which include false statements and attempts to divert attention towards personal attacks, are not conducive to a constructive discussion. It's important to focus on factual and respectful exchanges rather than resorting to baseless accusations. Success in both life and football requires dedication, effort, and a proactive approach rather than waiting for opportunities to come to you.
You say all that but completely ignored how the game was actually played last night! You ignore the overwhelming success the team has had in the past 5 years!
Keeping it on track then... who do we replace a 60% winning coach with?
I have not overlooked the performance of last night's game. We scored 8 goals 2, showing that we were not playing poorly. And certainly were not kicking like we hadn’t touched a footy in a long time as has been suggested.
Gardner was positioned in the forward line instead of on Curnow or McKay to maintain Harris as the intercept defender that he is the best at in the game.
The game's momentum shifted noticeably in the second quarter, and it seemed our mate Fagan persisted with a strategy/game plan that was no longer effective and Carlton had rendered somewhat redundant.
You have just gone onto slip a factual point of our winning percentage in there for validity and to misdirect the reader to have your point sound correct when it is not. You really need to take educational out of your name and slip in manipulation instead.
Again you refused to answer a simple question then call me out for asking it! You've sidestepped everything I've asked. Call me out for going off emotionally while I'm the one supporting the team and you sook after the few losses we have each year. I'm done arguing with this brick wall!
Have fun NOT enjoying another winning season. Five straight and counting! Miserable sod!
At this point the question can be who should we have replaced him with by now?
Voss didn’t have the list that Fagan has.
Leppitsch was young and did not have the list either
Scotty, currently at Geelong
Imagine that.
You went and got Hardwick ? Would he take them to a premiership
Could have had McRae ?
They could have went harder for Paul Roos if not for the AFL,
Currently one major concern has to be if it doesn’t happen this year does Lachie Neale leave?
With the growing comments from him and Jules on life away from family this could be the year he leaves. What then ? Back to Fremantle most likely.
Fremantle have nothing near the calibre of Lachie.
The best thing Fagan can do is get some hard noses around the club to support him.
With all of this winning percentages and home ground advantages you speak of ( which goes soon when the Gabba is under construction)
What does it mean if there’s no premiership. You all keep thinking the windows open.
The window shuts fast and hard and if you don’t make the most op your opportunity when it’s there wait another 20 years for the cycle.
St kilday 2008-2012.
Simply hodgie and Selwood for starters would have been very good.
Tell me you've haven't paid attention to club history without telling me you haven't paid enough attention to club history...
Honestly your embarrassing yourself
With what came from a performance that sets up Carlton, also came a poor performance from
The lions. That needs to be looked into. I hope the team and the coach aren’t as prepared to stick their head in sand and say such a performance doesn’t matter. That’s the point where all the efforts of the past 3-4 years slip away and amount to nothing.
That’s what happens when you have such a high win percentage and a great home ground winning percentage but don’t take advantage of it.
To date the lions have not taken advantage of it.
Your characterization of me as a fair-weather supporter juxtaposed with acknowledging my unwavering consistency over the past 3-4 years presents a paradoxical argument, as you live in a bubble of fantasy. It appears that in moments of discourse vulnerability, you resort to fabricating information, constructing a false narrative, and resorting to personal attacks. Perhaps a change of name to emotional cow suits better!
Drop the fucken Mike.
Fans who go into other subreddits to gloat after a win are nothing but laughable. It will trigger a few hot headed lions fans no doubt but know that the vast majority just smile and think it's pathetic.
Hopefully meet again in the finals.
The negativity in the post-match thread was just off the charts. I get being passionate and upset, I get questioning coaching decisions and playing performances, what I don’t get it out-and-out vitriol for our boys. How can you say you support the team while calling half of them useless pricks who should get traded? The one good thing about being a fan in the mid-2010s was that these fair-weather fuckwits were far less common.
Are you honestly satisfied with the level of commitment and desire you saw last night? From a group who should have a point to prove after narrowly missing out on grand final glory last season? If demanding more effort from them makes me a fairweather fan then so be it.
I didn’t say you can’t criticise performances (I even specified that you can). I said the personal attacks are completely unnecessary.
It was def forwards kicking. Lions should've won by at least 3 goals even after the Blues comeback.
It was definitely selfish arrogant football. It came in droves through the second quarter. It’s the time you want the coach at the long break to tell the players to pull your heads out of your arse a recognise you aren’t a premiership team. You have no rights to play like you’ve already won after a great quarter of footy. And if you let them back in you will lose. The issue the so callled “loud minority” have is, Fagan either A) doesn’t ever recognise this B) is uninspiring as a coach C) has no idea what to do in this situation Answer me this; do Collingwood lose this game ? Go on answer it! We all know the answer.
They come out of the woodwork whenever there is a loss or even a close win! At least a grand final berth shut these F-wits up for a few months! Tonight's game is hopefully a blip in an otherwise fantastic season for Fagan and the boys!
It was post season football goes away for 4 months
If we hadn't made the granny you'd be stroking it while calling for fagans head! You're a serial offender!
If we hadn’t made the granny it would have just been as expected under fages! Nice that you’ve had to turn it to attack of character though. Top notch. A serial offender? For some better words, my opinion is consistent.
Good to see your still watching the game with ya best mate Raiden
Raiden is alright with me
Hahahahah hahah ahahaha I miss that guy. From memory though I didn’t think he liked my opinion ? But I do appreciate LRRH and his passion. And wether we have the same opinion or not I don’t begrudge anyone on this thread and I accept that we don’t have the same opinion. I don’t agree with your making things a personal attack and misinforming other readers of what I did and did not say.
>If we hadn’t made the granny it would have just been as expected under fages! Can you please make this sentence make sense? >my opinion is consistent. Consistently WILDY off the mark! He gives the boys a top 4 position every single year! That's how you contest for premierships!
I can actually, Delving into a hypothetical scenario (as the cow loves a fantasy) there is a prevalent perspective within the football community that had Carlton not faced significant injuries in the semi against Melbourne, they could have emerged victorious against the Lions in the preliminary final, and I confidently say most in this thread would agree. This viewpoint challenges the certainty of predicting the Lions' victory over Carlton. In elite sports, particularly against top-tier opponents, psychological factors hold equal importance to physical fitness, skill proficiency, and strategic implementation. Presently, Carlton appears to hold a substantial psychological advantage, a crucial element in achieving success. And that’s now a problem for us. The timing of the game, even if it is the first round, does not diminish the significance of securing a win in such a matchup. And if you disagree - again pull your head out and wipe the shit from eyes. The shift happened in the second quarter. Carlton countered our game plan. Fagan did little in response.
Also the OP is saying they kicked like they never touched the footy yet we started out with 8 goals 2, yet another invalid moot point. It was selfish arrogant football. And that is one reason for the head coach to be in his role. To call that out. Especially with the full second half to go.
The big issue isn’t anything to do with how Dizzy was used or Fages as coach. The issue is, and I have said this for the better part of 4-5 years, is our insane inaccuracy in front of goals with simple set shots or high % scoring options. We went 1.6 in the third and had plenty of SIMPLE opportunities to either halt momentum or take the lead. Charlie Cameron is a great example, last shot of the quarter, easy as it gets, and he sprays it. We rely too much on individual brilliance (which served us well, don’t get me wrong) to put on a big score, but when we need someone to settle us down and take advantage of a simple, high % option, no one is reliable. I agree that it’s our first game and there’s nothing to be worried about - we were embarrassed last year by Port in round one, so at least this was a closer game!
I understand your explanation, but absolutes don't work in this case. Sometimes Chuckie is that one reliable guy who calms us down. Sometimes it's Joey, although not as common. Last night Linc stood up in front, but the team didn't respond. Same with Froggy down back. I said in the post match thread last night that I wouldn't be surprised if we shit the bed for the next few weeks before properly hitting our stride. Whether it's at the start of the season, or a few rounds in, we usually drop a couple because the boys are dusty and can't play a full game of footy.
That’s basically what I said though, we rely too much on individuals to get it done. We need more consistency to be dangerous against the good teams, if any of those 6 behinds are converted (which they absolutely should have been), we don’t lose that game. It’s been a consistent issue for too long now and it will keep exposing us
Feel like you’re overlooking some factors, firstly we gave up a 40+ point lead on our home deck where we haven’t lost in over a season. This is not the first time we have lost games in this exact manner. In fact it’s hard to find a game we have won where we have played a complete game, for the most part we win games by having a solid 10 minute stretch and then hang onto that lead until the end. It does appear when the momentum shifts we don’t do anything to change our game plan, the most noticeable time we did something was berry on Oliver which fagan admitted want his idea. We put Gardiner up forward and watch Payne get a towling for 3 quarters. This constant referral to do you remember where this club came from… yeah we remember. We also remember where we have been the last 5 years and that’s why our expectation is higher then a “oh it round one and we lost by a point.” A new coach maybe, maybe not. I personally would like to see what someone else could do with this list but that doesn’t mean Fagan doesn’t have what it takes
I said last year that it was a grand final or bust for him and he achieved that which has given him a 2 year reprieve, I was definitely an advocate for a coaching staff overhaul which their was one change. I don't like his "where we come from" speech he offers up it gives the players and coaching staff a cop out, good clubs don't make these cop outs. I wasn't expecting us to win but it's the manner in which we lost which happens a lot which is what infuriates fans more than anything. The end of the day it's 1 loss they showed in the 1st what can be done more of that less 3rd qtr. You've nailed the momentum shifts too he is very slow to stop the rot
I'd like to see bolder coaching decisions during the game when momentum swings away from us - the obvious being Gardiner left in the forwards for so long when he is there for flexibility. Which is not - sack Fagan - but, get some more creative gameday coaches in the box on game day
I'm a big advocate for this. I'm no AFL strategy expert, and I understand how complex the game is and that's it's a limiting factor for creating multiple strategies to implement mid qtr. But blow me down, they have to have something up their sleeves. I refuse to believe that they don't have anything that can't be implemented mid qtr to disturb the flow of the game. The boys have improved heaps over the last few years at slowing the game down and switching on the backline to control ball movement. It seems to me that they'd lost that touch last night.
Actually, it was 'round 0' and we lost by a point.
I was at the game last night and that loss left a bad taste in my mouth. Because of Fagan? No. Because Carlton supporters were booing their own players. The environment was toxic, and it almost made me feel sorry for the Carlton team. Those fans did not deserve that win. So to see our own fans jump on a negativity bandwagon? That hurts. Fagan did a wonderful job picking up our team from the dregs of our 2010-2016 period. We’ve had consistency for so long, which is something a lot of people overlook. Some need a reality check.
We kick a couple of those easier shots in the third/early fourth during their run it’s a different game. Could see a few small things they’d changed in the first half but yes it was frustrating to get beaten the same way yet again
It wasn't the same team that made the prelims last season, they were missing Wietering, Walsh, Martin, Motlop, Marchbank. We were up by FORTY-SIX points and CHOKED at what is supposed to be our FORTRESS! While the coach just sat there chewing his bubble gum and scratching his head. Fagan put this club back on its feet and we have a lot to be grateful for, but if last night proved anything it's that he doesn't have a clue how to defend and he doesn't have a plan b. He is not going to be the man to win us a flag and I would be doing everything possible to get Chris Scott before our premiership window slams shut.
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Sorry for the intrusion, just interested in your fans point of view. Should Fagan be under any kind of heat? He’s obviously done a wonderful job coaching and building the list. 5 years of finals, 4 being top 4. You’ve been a genuine contender for the flag for majority of those years. You’ll have more years of contending going forward, that’s how strong the list is. But if he doesn’t win a flag this year, surely this list is somewhat being wasted. Teams don’t usually have a premiership window this long. If and when that window closes, it will be an absolute disaster if this list hasn’t won a premiership. I think anyone calling for him to be sacked is crazy, just don’t understand why he isn’t under some heat from outside Brisbane.
He's under an expected amount of heat simply from being "thereabouts but not quite there" for the past 5 years. There's no serious calls of sacking from any rational fan but there are the occasional questions about some of his tactics and decisions. But he's gotten us to 2 prelims, 1 granny and top 4 the past 5 years so there shouldn't be any alarm bells ringing yet. However, if we miss at least prelim this year I reckon there will be a few. He's clearly a fucking amazing coach though, the players love him and fans do too.
Yeah, imo he's still got three years to get a cup before a change is made, unless we fall out of the top 4, or miss prelims more than once.
The Lions should have won by 80 or more after building that lead but as has happened often in the past they switched off, thinking the game was won at half time. They paid the price. Again. They simply do not have a killer instinct that is the hallmark of great teams. They are still in with a big chance of winning the premiership this season but I want to see them begin to smash opposition teams more often to be convinced they have what it takes to go one step further than last year.
Copy pasta level writing aside, I certainly agree with the sentiment. However.. This is a typical response from a desperate fandom not having their expectations met. Most of those people need a scapegoat and don't have better ways to process their emotions. Just let them be to exorcise their demons. There's nowhere better than our subreddit.
Look, Fagan has been great for us and got us this far. I appreciate that, and he built the car Problem is he doesn’t know how to drive it. He gets outcoached constantly, as we saw in the Blues game. Blues were struggling, Vossy made changes. Fagan, did not. He picks his favourites and doesn’t change the team even when we need a change. Last year, Berry, Hipwood and Gunston were all in the team despite not performing to a level worthy of that loyalty. Yet, he kept them in. Reality is, we only made the grand final last year because we played at home. Had we finished 3rd, we don’t make it and Fagan doesn’t keep his job. I love this team and they’re talented as hell, but we get exposed with the same game plan and same mentality. And then when we see Fagan getting on press conferences and trying to make a positive out of shit games, that doesn’t ring much confidence. He’s gotten us to this point, but the reality is we need someone else to take us over the hump
Eat your words after the embarrassing loss to Giants
Even in this scared little OP’spost, wherever you are 🤷♂️ you make a comment about the poor coaching of Fagan and don’t even know it. Last year I pointed out the lions highest scoring and most efficient forward line. All those players are on the list playing for the lions. Yet as you said Gardner in the forward line? The guy can lock down almost any forward. Including curnow. That’s on Fagan. That’s why people with the big balls come here against people like you and the emotional cow and speak up. Gardner in the forward line are we fucking kidding. If Gardner played his true spot, The likely hood is that’s a potential comfortable win. Hey let’s experiment with Rayner off the half back line. On Fagan. Stop playing with your food Fagan. Coach the team. A leader always knows to play players in their strongest positions. That’s why you are a leader.
Look out, you're going to quickly become the sub's new most hated member of you keep going lol
Kicked the first 8/10 goals go on to to lose to an undermanned 5th seed at home. Bring back the “FOF”. He should have been sacked a couple of years ago. I don’t even need to watch his presser to know what he said. That so called by you “loud minority”, Want the same thing, a premiership! They just have different opinion to yours.
> Should have been sacked a couple of years ago. You're still going to spew this shit after making the granny, going undefeated at gabba last year, having won more games in 5 years than all other clubs not named Geelong? All that after a decade of basketcase existence that saw no end until Fagan came along? His coaching got the game back to an arm wrestle last night it was the boys that failed on execution in the 4th. I looked like heavy legs from the boys in the 4th, something that happens in round 1. The boys will be top 4 again this year! That usually comes with 5-8 losses...are you going to call for his head after every single loss this year? Like you have for the past 3-4 years?
I’ve called for his head after poor wins aswell. Have you looked at this game from the other side We are home with a 50 point lead. Why are using heavy legs in the 4th as an excuse ? Did Carlton have heavy legs in the 4th? The criticism here is if you’re a premier team (as we believe the lions are or at least should be) do you win this game? The criticism here is more than warranted it’s deserved. Some of us here aren’t afraid to hold Fagan and the team accountable for under achieving. Some people in life know what it takes. You want to sit on effort you’ll lose. Carlton put in Brisbane didn’t. That loss set their season up. It wasn’t a blip as you are saying. It’s a god damn embarrassment. I will hold them to that.
>I’ve called for his head after poor wins aswell. What is the point in that? Let's be real if we won the granny, it would have been us pinching it from the pies... you're saying that in that circumstance you would have STILL called for fagans head even after a poor winning performance that gave us a cup! That's a hypothetical obviously but one that fits your description. You're as fair Weather as they come, it's round 1 you Muppet! It was a great win by a team that will be up there come September. Do the maths... we're a top team with a good coach! You're not holding anyone accountable. You're sooking to deal with a loss instead of giving the victor their due credit! Good win by Carlton!
That’s not what I said. You’re just lamely attempting to put words on my comments to justify your poor argument. We didn’t win the cup you’ve manufactured yourself a fantasy that isn’t true a compiling an argument from it. You’re a dreamer living in a fantasy land.
To add to that, you're remarkably silent when the team wins!!
Also not true, Again making up facts spreading misinformation about me and making falsified claims. when the team have deserved praise and they have played well I’ve called that out on many occasions. Yet have held firm on my criticism of fages. I am also one of the very few to have defended Zorko and hold him in high value.
That would have been a game we deserved to lose but won. Fits your description to a T. But fair enough. It's my fault for trying to get into the mindset of an out of touch sook!
It seems that you continually steer the conversation away from discussing football and become more focused on personal attacks I presume this is because you realise you base your comments and opinion from zero to little facts and are possibly a juvenile football fan. Perhaps, you try to maintain a respectful and factual exchange without resorting to. Your comments, which include false statements and attempts to divert attention towards personal attacks, are not conducive to a constructive discussion. It's important to focus on factual and respectful exchanges rather than resorting to baseless accusations. Success in both life and football requires dedication, effort, and a proactive approach rather than waiting for opportunities to come to you.
You say all that but completely ignored how the game was actually played last night! You ignore the overwhelming success the team has had in the past 5 years! Keeping it on track then... who do we replace a 60% winning coach with?
I have not overlooked the performance of last night's game. We scored 8 goals 2, showing that we were not playing poorly. And certainly were not kicking like we hadn’t touched a footy in a long time as has been suggested. Gardner was positioned in the forward line instead of on Curnow or McKay to maintain Harris as the intercept defender that he is the best at in the game. The game's momentum shifted noticeably in the second quarter, and it seemed our mate Fagan persisted with a strategy/game plan that was no longer effective and Carlton had rendered somewhat redundant. You have just gone onto slip a factual point of our winning percentage in there for validity and to misdirect the reader to have your point sound correct when it is not. You really need to take educational out of your name and slip in manipulation instead.
Again you refused to answer a simple question then call me out for asking it! You've sidestepped everything I've asked. Call me out for going off emotionally while I'm the one supporting the team and you sook after the few losses we have each year. I'm done arguing with this brick wall! Have fun NOT enjoying another winning season. Five straight and counting! Miserable sod!
At this point the question can be who should we have replaced him with by now? Voss didn’t have the list that Fagan has. Leppitsch was young and did not have the list either Scotty, currently at Geelong Imagine that. You went and got Hardwick ? Would he take them to a premiership Could have had McRae ? They could have went harder for Paul Roos if not for the AFL, Currently one major concern has to be if it doesn’t happen this year does Lachie Neale leave? With the growing comments from him and Jules on life away from family this could be the year he leaves. What then ? Back to Fremantle most likely. Fremantle have nothing near the calibre of Lachie. The best thing Fagan can do is get some hard noses around the club to support him. With all of this winning percentages and home ground advantages you speak of ( which goes soon when the Gabba is under construction) What does it mean if there’s no premiership. You all keep thinking the windows open. The window shuts fast and hard and if you don’t make the most op your opportunity when it’s there wait another 20 years for the cycle. St kilday 2008-2012. Simply hodgie and Selwood for starters would have been very good.
Tell me you've haven't paid attention to club history without telling me you haven't paid enough attention to club history... Honestly your embarrassing yourself
With what came from a performance that sets up Carlton, also came a poor performance from The lions. That needs to be looked into. I hope the team and the coach aren’t as prepared to stick their head in sand and say such a performance doesn’t matter. That’s the point where all the efforts of the past 3-4 years slip away and amount to nothing. That’s what happens when you have such a high win percentage and a great home ground winning percentage but don’t take advantage of it. To date the lions have not taken advantage of it. Your characterization of me as a fair-weather supporter juxtaposed with acknowledging my unwavering consistency over the past 3-4 years presents a paradoxical argument, as you live in a bubble of fantasy. It appears that in moments of discourse vulnerability, you resort to fabricating information, constructing a false narrative, and resorting to personal attacks. Perhaps a change of name to emotional cow suits better! Drop the fucken Mike.
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Fans who go into other subreddits to gloat after a win are nothing but laughable. It will trigger a few hot headed lions fans no doubt but know that the vast majority just smile and think it's pathetic. Hopefully meet again in the finals.
For a team that spent all but ten minutes inside the eight, then missed finals no more than two years ago, it’s surprising how arrogant they are.