Ross Ultrix all the way, they're incredibly popular now and for good reason. Can add on internal multiviews, framesyncs, madi audio and there is a 2110 card as well so you can migrate as you want if needed later
The initial setup can seem daunting, you can do a lot with the database, e.g. you could create 5 (for example) copies of a physical source with different audio mappings on each one, take audios from other inputs or from madi.
You also benefit from the best support team in the industry (imo), have never called and got someone who didn't know what they were talking about, always happy to help even if I am being an idiot and never once been asked for any SLA details.
Don't work for them but own one in the UK for rental and use in our flypack, have also installed them for several customers, doing more this year.
I can only agree with this. Initial setup is indeed a bit difficult but I don’t change any of the db since we use EVS Cerebrum as Routing Manager.
We have a 5ru with 16 multiviewers, 2x 64 channel madi and 18 framesync.
The only limitation is the 2 pip sizes for multiviewer. But that is also manageable.
Can’t wait for the new FR12 that will be shipped end of April for our second flypack.
And the support is one of the best!
Yeah the FR12 scares me a bit. The only thing I have in mind there is the lack of crosspoint redundancy, however, I have heard the Ross argument on this one and seen their doc on why it's not a factor with their architecture and so far I have not had a problem with any of their frames.
We're replacing a SAM Vega (now GV but it's an old frame) on an install we did in central London a number of years ago as part of a technology refresh with an Ultrix and that will be coupled into the existing Cerebrum system, gets rid of a ton of external embedding, deembedding and external multiview and gives them more flexibility.
Our own flypack is only an FR2 but for a lot of jobs it's more than big enough. We externally DA the first 20 inputs which provides the redundancy some clients want as it allows us to take them direct to the mixer and then the Ultrix does an ecut.
The multiviews as you say, at first it seems like a problem but have yet to have a situation where it really is. Would like more capability on the audio meters but again, it's been fine so far.
Yeah when it was bought it was just SAM, and the last one of those we bought before that was probably still branded as a Snell, it was a while ago now, its a bit of a mess of a product line though certainly now!
>Redundant crosspoint is not really a thing on native 12g
Bit unsure what you mean here, there are 12G native routers with redundant crosspoints on the market so it is a thing.
>FR12 had a replaceable crosspoint
The module behind the fan assembly? Didn't think its any more replaceable than the one in the other frames, perhaps so, but it can't support redundancy, I have a description from Ross of the IO board design which was sent to me specifically to explain why the Ultrix internally cannot support that. But equally the same description has for most of our customers allayed redundancy concerns
How often have you had to replace crosspoints?
I've only been in the biz for 25 years and never seen a router fail like that. Not even blackmagic.
SDI routers are frigging tanks.
Same with network switches, at least the major brands. They just don't fail. We've gone through a couple of generations of them now, all in perfect working order when replaced due to being very EOL.
Last one was 2019 I think, GV router, crosspoint wasn't dead, but not passing all routes.
However as I said, I'm not the one advocating for it really, I would agree that generally SDI routers can be abused pretty heavily before they fail, but customers we install permanent or provide temporary facilities for will sometimes request it. We will have the discussion but it's their choice. We own an Ultrix and have confidence in their design but it's a consideration that sometimes needs looking at for different installs, and if there's a stringent SLA you've sometimes got a few seconds before you're being billed so I understand the concerns.
Well I'll be replacing an emergency switch with a single micon uhd on Monday on my recommendation so I'm on my own here.
But we'll hopefully be on 2110 before long so here's to that :)
I just installed 4 or so projects with the Ultrix. I like their flexibility a lot. Plus you can do madi off the aux ports so it offers a lot of integration options.
I'm also a fan of Evertz EQX/Magnum line but that's a different class than the Ultrix.
Look at the Riedel 2x MicroN UHD, that's 16x16 in 12G. You can add other nodes when needed to expand your setup. Connected with fiber to be able to distribute your router.
All is embedded / deembedded + 128 Madi / node.
Can also recommend the Microns. We run a facility with about 40 of them, we've used them extensively with for deembedding and embedding audio for distribution. Really makes everything very simple if you have a control system like vsm on top but you can do it directly on the mediornet software which is fairly intuitive.
There are many options out there, it all depends on your budget. Every enterprise level router (Evertz, NVision, Ross, Utah) has this as a pretty standard feature.
Standard feature, yes, but can also be clunky.
The Ross ultrix has a non-blocking multiviewer. Any input can hit any multiviewer head. You can also “monitor” outputs in the multiviewer.
I explored other enterprise routers. They were nice, but all of them had multiviewer cards with limited inputs. Example- 48 inputs could hit up to 4 heads. It was a nightmare to plan out for every scenario.
Just got a new FR-12 last week. So far it has been amazing
Ross Ultrix or Evertz NEXX if you want 12G.
Ultrix is more cost effective at the smaller scale, NEXX I think at the other end.
If you only want 3G, then Evertz EQX at larger scale.
Otherwise go 2110 and pick your favorite vendor.
What size do you need, is it a small budget or big budget item, do you need any extra capabilities like analog or MADI audio?
Are you looking to replace the core router of your existing facility or is this just an add-on unit to supplement your audio capabilities?
What options have you considered so far?
That's fairly small, if you went down the Ross route I mentioned in my other comment, a base model FR1 is all you're after. With one of its aux ports potentially used for madi if you're doing audio you would be able to do 17x17 routing with audio shuffling on the base purchase and the madi SFP is not much
You can always add a 2110 card in its second slot if you started doing that later on or another video or an SFP card.
A Dante network with I/O to and from your router can accomplish this. In evertz world we use their AGHUB to get Dante and Madi signals to Evertz router->Calrec Hydra>Dante all bi-directional.
Ross Ultrix all the way, they're incredibly popular now and for good reason. Can add on internal multiviews, framesyncs, madi audio and there is a 2110 card as well so you can migrate as you want if needed later The initial setup can seem daunting, you can do a lot with the database, e.g. you could create 5 (for example) copies of a physical source with different audio mappings on each one, take audios from other inputs or from madi. You also benefit from the best support team in the industry (imo), have never called and got someone who didn't know what they were talking about, always happy to help even if I am being an idiot and never once been asked for any SLA details. Don't work for them but own one in the UK for rental and use in our flypack, have also installed them for several customers, doing more this year.
I can only agree with this. Initial setup is indeed a bit difficult but I don’t change any of the db since we use EVS Cerebrum as Routing Manager. We have a 5ru with 16 multiviewers, 2x 64 channel madi and 18 framesync. The only limitation is the 2 pip sizes for multiviewer. But that is also manageable. Can’t wait for the new FR12 that will be shipped end of April for our second flypack. And the support is one of the best!
Yeah the FR12 scares me a bit. The only thing I have in mind there is the lack of crosspoint redundancy, however, I have heard the Ross argument on this one and seen their doc on why it's not a factor with their architecture and so far I have not had a problem with any of their frames. We're replacing a SAM Vega (now GV but it's an old frame) on an install we did in central London a number of years ago as part of a technology refresh with an Ultrix and that will be coupled into the existing Cerebrum system, gets rid of a ton of external embedding, deembedding and external multiview and gives them more flexibility. Our own flypack is only an FR2 but for a lot of jobs it's more than big enough. We externally DA the first 20 inputs which provides the redundancy some clients want as it allows us to take them direct to the mixer and then the Ultrix does an ecut. The multiviews as you say, at first it seems like a problem but have yet to have a situation where it really is. Would like more capability on the audio meters but again, it's been fine so far.
> We're replacing a SAM Vega (now GV but it's an old frame) You mean SAM Telecast Miranda Grass Valley - a Belden Brand?
Forgot Pro-Bel and Snell.
And Quantel :-)
Yeah when it was bought it was just SAM, and the last one of those we bought before that was probably still branded as a Snell, it was a while ago now, its a bit of a mess of a product line though certainly now!
Redundant crosspoint is not really a thing on native 12g. FR12 had a replaceable crosspoint so at least you can have a field spare and do a swap.
>Redundant crosspoint is not really a thing on native 12g Bit unsure what you mean here, there are 12G native routers with redundant crosspoints on the market so it is a thing. >FR12 had a replaceable crosspoint The module behind the fan assembly? Didn't think its any more replaceable than the one in the other frames, perhaps so, but it can't support redundancy, I have a description from Ross of the IO board design which was sent to me specifically to explain why the Ultrix internally cannot support that. But equally the same description has for most of our customers allayed redundancy concerns
How often have you had to replace crosspoints? I've only been in the biz for 25 years and never seen a router fail like that. Not even blackmagic. SDI routers are frigging tanks. Same with network switches, at least the major brands. They just don't fail. We've gone through a couple of generations of them now, all in perfect working order when replaced due to being very EOL.
Last one was 2019 I think, GV router, crosspoint wasn't dead, but not passing all routes. However as I said, I'm not the one advocating for it really, I would agree that generally SDI routers can be abused pretty heavily before they fail, but customers we install permanent or provide temporary facilities for will sometimes request it. We will have the discussion but it's their choice. We own an Ultrix and have confidence in their design but it's a consideration that sometimes needs looking at for different installs, and if there's a stringent SLA you've sometimes got a few seconds before you're being billed so I understand the concerns.
Well I'll be replacing an emergency switch with a single micon uhd on Monday on my recommendation so I'm on my own here. But we'll hopefully be on 2110 before long so here's to that :)
I just installed 4 or so projects with the Ultrix. I like their flexibility a lot. Plus you can do madi off the aux ports so it offers a lot of integration options. I'm also a fan of Evertz EQX/Magnum line but that's a different class than the Ultrix.
Look at the Riedel 2x MicroN UHD, that's 16x16 in 12G. You can add other nodes when needed to expand your setup. Connected with fiber to be able to distribute your router. All is embedded / deembedded + 128 Madi / node.
Can also recommend the Microns. We run a facility with about 40 of them, we've used them extensively with for deembedding and embedding audio for distribution. Really makes everything very simple if you have a control system like vsm on top but you can do it directly on the mediornet software which is fairly intuitive.
This. MediorNet is possibly the best routing solution today.
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Thanks for the input - 100G 2110 network would be an option. What 2110 converters would you prefer?
There are many options out there, it all depends on your budget. Every enterprise level router (Evertz, NVision, Ross, Utah) has this as a pretty standard feature.
Standard feature, yes, but can also be clunky. The Ross ultrix has a non-blocking multiviewer. Any input can hit any multiviewer head. You can also “monitor” outputs in the multiviewer. I explored other enterprise routers. They were nice, but all of them had multiviewer cards with limited inputs. Example- 48 inputs could hit up to 4 heads. It was a nightmare to plan out for every scenario. Just got a new FR-12 last week. So far it has been amazing
Could you please explain what “non blocking” means ? Thanks
>48 inputs could hit up to 4 heads Sirius by any chance :-) Been frustrated by the limitations of that several times!
Ross Ultrix or Evertz NEXX if you want 12G. Ultrix is more cost effective at the smaller scale, NEXX I think at the other end. If you only want 3G, then Evertz EQX at larger scale. Otherwise go 2110 and pick your favorite vendor.
What size do you need, is it a small budget or big budget item, do you need any extra capabilities like analog or MADI audio? Are you looking to replace the core router of your existing facility or is this just an add-on unit to supplement your audio capabilities? What options have you considered so far?
Ross ultrix definitely sounds like the kit you're looking for.
Thanks for your answers - budget is not that much, size should be around 16x16. I will have a look on the devices you allready suggested me!
That's fairly small, if you went down the Ross route I mentioned in my other comment, a base model FR1 is all you're after. With one of its aux ports potentially used for madi if you're doing audio you would be able to do 17x17 routing with audio shuffling on the base purchase and the madi SFP is not much You can always add a 2110 card in its second slot if you started doing that later on or another video or an SFP card.
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A Dante network with I/O to and from your router can accomplish this. In evertz world we use their AGHUB to get Dante and Madi signals to Evertz router->Calrec Hydra>Dante all bi-directional.
Ross Ultrix handles this well using the Madi SFP option. RME digiface for Madi-Dante conversion and strait to the SFP via 2x coax. 64i/o