There’s just no conceivable way any sport can prevent its players from tampering.
Players are mostly all friends with each other, and there’s nothing stopping them from going to lunch/dinner and being like “hey it would be cool if we played together” or something like that. KD and Kyrie in Brooklyn’s a good example.
It happens all the time and unless the league is monitoring players and recording their conversations 24/7 (which is insane), there’s nothing anyone can do.
Their agents have contacts and sniff around to know what teams are interested in their client. That's why Lindholm didn't sign b/c he knows the Bruins desperately need a 1st line center and are targeting him, so that gives him some leverage to drive up the asking price.
Building off this, one doesn't have to speak about a specific player, instead, they will use generalizations that make it clear which player they're interested in.
For example, Allvin could reach out to an agent and say something along the lines of, "Hey Ben Hankinson, we're looking at signing a goal-scoring winger and are trying to get estimates from agents for our budgeting. In your professional opinion, what would be the ballpark cost and term we'd be looking at?"
Then, Hankinson gives an idea of what a goal-scoring winger might want to sign for, maybe they ask some questions back and forth about if the team is looking for No-Trade/No-Move, or signing bonuses — you know, to give an accurate answer to this hypothetical scenario.
It's purely a coincidence that Hankinson has one or two players he represents that fit that description.
Guentzel becomes a free agent in 3 days if Carolina doesn't sign him. (Which he might be signing there as Friedman is reporting that it's picking up steam.)
You do know that a lot of companies have templates for certain documents. I'm not saying there aren't any shenanigans going on, but they don't have to write a new contract from scratch every time.
The Canes allow UFAs to negotiate with teams. This isn't prohibited. They did the same with Hamilton. They want to have an answer before UFA to plan better.
good curious questions
have there been first-hand accounts from agents, former agents, execs
i remember david samson in baseball talked on a podcast about these situations
The Hurricanes have Guentzel and Martin Necas as RFAs and can't afford to keep both. Necas has indicated that he wants to move on, and they would like to move him in time for the draft. But the thinking is that they won't trade him if they can't keep Guentzel, so Guentzel will probably be a firm yes or no on the Hurricanes some time today.
Yes, but what I'm saying is that the Canes functionally need to have a yes or no from him by tonight in order to move Marty Necas in time for the draft. So if Guentzel does not re-sign with the Canes today, he will likely be able to send up smoke signals to the Canucks earlier than July 1 because the Canes would not be able to keep him anyway.
The Canes can offer him 1 more year on the deal than other teams, so that is tempting for him, but another factor may be is if he likes his cup chances with the Canes or the Canucks.
Yep, the Canes initially offered him an 8x7.75 (allegedly) and then upped their offer yesterday...not sure what he's currently got in front of him, but hopefully we will hear about it soon.
The Canes are going to look very different next season since they have so many UFAs that they can't keep and may be trading Necas for an early 1st round pick, so the window is not as solid as it was this year. On the other hand, Guentzel fit very well into Rod Brind'amour's system and has made comments that he likes the team and likes Raleigh. So basically there is nothing to do but stress all day and furiously refresh Twitter while getting absolutely nothing done at work :')
As soon as the Free agency window opens, a bunch of contracts are signed. Do with that what you will!
There’s just no conceivable way any sport can prevent its players from tampering. Players are mostly all friends with each other, and there’s nothing stopping them from going to lunch/dinner and being like “hey it would be cool if we played together” or something like that. KD and Kyrie in Brooklyn’s a good example. It happens all the time and unless the league is monitoring players and recording their conversations 24/7 (which is insane), there’s nothing anyone can do.
Their agents have contacts and sniff around to know what teams are interested in their client. That's why Lindholm didn't sign b/c he knows the Bruins desperately need a 1st line center and are targeting him, so that gives him some leverage to drive up the asking price.
Building off this, one doesn't have to speak about a specific player, instead, they will use generalizations that make it clear which player they're interested in. For example, Allvin could reach out to an agent and say something along the lines of, "Hey Ben Hankinson, we're looking at signing a goal-scoring winger and are trying to get estimates from agents for our budgeting. In your professional opinion, what would be the ballpark cost and term we'd be looking at?" Then, Hankinson gives an idea of what a goal-scoring winger might want to sign for, maybe they ask some questions back and forth about if the team is looking for No-Trade/No-Move, or signing bonuses — you know, to give an accurate answer to this hypothetical scenario. It's purely a coincidence that Hankinson has one or two players he represents that fit that description.
A week? it's in 3 days
Gosh, where did the time go.
I mean guys get signed minute one of free agency. Tampering happens every year with every big name, just don't be dumb enough to get caught.
Guentzel becomes a free agent in 3 days if Carolina doesn't sign him. (Which he might be signing there as Friedman is reporting that it's picking up steam.)
You do know that a lot of companies have templates for certain documents. I'm not saying there aren't any shenanigans going on, but they don't have to write a new contract from scratch every time.
Hey friend, come to Vancouver. They are interested in you.
The Canes allow UFAs to negotiate with teams. This isn't prohibited. They did the same with Hamilton. They want to have an answer before UFA to plan better.
good curious questions have there been first-hand accounts from agents, former agents, execs i remember david samson in baseball talked on a podcast about these situations
The Hurricanes have Guentzel and Martin Necas as RFAs and can't afford to keep both. Necas has indicated that he wants to move on, and they would like to move him in time for the draft. But the thinking is that they won't trade him if they can't keep Guentzel, so Guentzel will probably be a firm yes or no on the Hurricanes some time today.
Guentzel is a UFA on July 1
Yes, but what I'm saying is that the Canes functionally need to have a yes or no from him by tonight in order to move Marty Necas in time for the draft. So if Guentzel does not re-sign with the Canes today, he will likely be able to send up smoke signals to the Canucks earlier than July 1 because the Canes would not be able to keep him anyway.
The Canes can offer him 1 more year on the deal than other teams, so that is tempting for him, but another factor may be is if he likes his cup chances with the Canes or the Canucks.
Yep, the Canes initially offered him an 8x7.75 (allegedly) and then upped their offer yesterday...not sure what he's currently got in front of him, but hopefully we will hear about it soon. The Canes are going to look very different next season since they have so many UFAs that they can't keep and may be trading Necas for an early 1st round pick, so the window is not as solid as it was this year. On the other hand, Guentzel fit very well into Rod Brind'amour's system and has made comments that he likes the team and likes Raleigh. So basically there is nothing to do but stress all day and furiously refresh Twitter while getting absolutely nothing done at work :')