I think the line *is* about her, but I don’t necessarily think the whole song is. it can also be a lot broader than just one person… a group of people, a type of person, a few people…
I've seen a lot of speculation to that effect. Like you say, I think people forget that songs can be about more than one thing, or sometimes not even about anything at all.
I love Imogen Heap and she wrote a song called [Aha!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m55-_3TCE4M) that she said was about people who have strict dietary requirements (vegan etc.) and make others accomodate them and yet will break their own rules if no-ones looking, BUT also about a serial killer. You just never know until the artist actually comes clean.
Yeah I got into her too late to be around when they were actually going, but have since been and watched them. I only recently watched the documentary Everything In-Between which is like an expanded version of her vlogs and it was SO good. I wish more artists would make behind the scenes stuf like that.
I think she is overdue for a listening chair section, but after following her work for 15 years I've come to the conclusion that she likes to start projects but doesn't always love to see them through forever so, I wouldn't count on it haha!
My theory is that Charli wasn't keen on the forced friendship she'd be pressured to have with Taylor Swift purely because they were dating bandmates at the time.
Charli also used to open for Taylor years ago. There might be something between them that isn’t public knowledge yet.
I remember a guest on Charli's BBC podcast was raving about how much they loved Taylor once (I can't remember who but I think it was either Phoebe Bridgers or Lukas Gage) and Charli was like "yeah, uh huh, right, ok."
Do you remember when Charli was opening for Taylor she made some comment about liking Kanye in an interview and then Taylor Swift fans got mad and immediately after she made an insta post listing her favourite Taylor songs it felt forced but I could be misremembering that
I also distinctly remember Charli saying in an interview that opening for Taylor in huge half-filled arenas full of people who only knew Charli’s most mainstream stuff was a much different experience than headlining for a bunch of Angels in a small intimate venue where she could play the songs she likes best, and the Swifties read it and went “SHE CALLED US FIVE-YEAR-OLDS! ALL UNITS ATTACK!”
Yes and Taylor never mentioned her again. She was cut out of the kingdom.that no one wan2 I think people don't remember how big this was for a day or two.
Why would she? That would require acknowledging that there are other women in the world besides Taylor Swift, and Taylor doesn’t want her fanbase doing that
Just based on their public personas, I don’t see these two mixing. Charli represents inclusivity, while t*ylor represents exclusivity. Sure, she may have opened for her 5 years ago, but both of their brands and behaviors are completely opposite, and I don’t think it’s in an “opposites attract” type of way. Just my take.
I definitely got that sense listening to it. My interpretation is that Taylor is “sympathetic” to Charli in a patronizing way, putting herself above her and on a pedestal. She’s sympathetic, but it feels like a stab or a jab. Especially with the “don’t want to see her backstage at my boyfriend’s show” line, it feels like this is without a doubt about Taylor Swift.
Tbh I’m more curious to know who Girl, So Confusing is about! People have a few different guesses and it seems more ambiguous to me
> My interpretation is that Taylor is “sympathetic” to Charli in a patronizing way,
She says "I'm embarassed to have it, but need the sympathy" after she's talking with George so I don't think the sympathy is from Taylor Swift or the song is about anything that Taylor Swift does exactly, other than just existing in close proximity.
The song is about Taylor Swift and her hyper success just activating Charli's insecurity and Charli wanting sympathy from George/friends but also being embarrassed/hurt to have to need it at all and it doesn't even help her.
It’s definitely about Lorde. So many people are taking it as a diss track when it’s really not. Like no one is paying attention to the whole song. Obviously theyre friends but she’s sharing her insecurities about it.
Like I’ve wondered about some of my friends, do they really like me?
Even the Taylor swift one isn’t exactly a diss track. Like she seems to feel wrong about the way she’s feeling in my interpretation.
Maybe she’ll make a real diss track about her now after the album shit she pulled lol
Yeah it’s not a diss track on anyone. It’s just Charli talking about how she is self conscious sometimes about the fact that she doesn’t have the cookie cutter look or style needed to be an A-List pop diva like Taylor or Beyoncé or whoever—and that she tells people she feels that way, they tell her it doesn’t matter, and it doesn’t help.
“It’s okay to just admit that you’re jealous of me” “I get money, you get mad because the bank shut” “You won’t fuck unless he’s famous”
Do you really not see it?
Exactly. I dont understand why so many people need it to be a black or white situation. I see so many comments about how complicated and deep of an album it is and then being like “can’t believe she hates lorde and Taylor” in the same sentence.
I also took it as how with the whole “women supporting women!” and “don’t pit women against each other!” narratives that dominate pop fandoms it sometimes feels like there isn’t room to be a woman in the industry and have an honest opinion about other women without being labeled as a pick me or anti-feminist. It’s unrealistic to like and get along with everyone and yet it’s considered by some to be, like, taboo to say you just don’t vibe with someone.
Agree with everything you said.
On my first listen through of Brat I was convinced it was about Marina. And then I thought it was interesting that the next song was Apple which her vocals sound very Marina inspired and also the name “Apple” which is a fruit (Froot). But I was probably thinking way too into things. I def think that it’s about Lorde now.
Girl, So Confusing is not a dis track at all. I don’t understand how anybody can think that. It’s literally her putting her feelings about a friend she wished she had in this person. It’s real and relatable.
Sympathy is also not dissing Taylor but it sure is about her in that one lyric. I feel that Taylor is probably really toxic irl. It would be hard to deal with and it affects Charli negatively (like it would affect anybody with a heart). I think it’s brave that she put it out there the way she did. She is just so real and also knows how to confront these things head on and with a lot of class.
Apple sounds so much like a Marina song. The only thing I don't see is the line about poetry.. Marina literally has a poetry book coming out but idk anything about Lorde writing poems (maybe she does).
I also feel like the entire song is about how the girl she’s like insecure over hasn’t really don’t anything wrong. Charlie fully admits that it’s all in her head and that it’s just a problem where no one is to blame.
totally agree about the patronizing line. for the lorde fans here, remember how during solar power release week, taylor sent her a text saying “first week sales don’t define a legacy”
such a weird and unwelcome comment to me. i like taylor and *usually* don’t care how eager she is for success. but this came off as so condescending and irrelevant. wouldn’t surprise me if she spoke down to charli similarly
Yeah tbh Taylor is a great artist, but seems more interested in commercial success at the end of the day. Her capitalist with a capital C side is shady and research shows that empathy goes down the richer someone gets.
Or you could provide the entire text instead of that one sentence that you’ve invented some shady connotation to lol. I’ll help you out :)
“You will always be imagined in my mind in a rowboat with Annie Lennox floating down a river of cool cerebral ethereal dreams but don’t-f**k-with-me vibes all around you.”
“And I don’t think first-week record sales singularly define a legacy.”
Lorde then replied, “I love you so much for this.”
The ‘Royals’ singer also captioned the screenshot, “Taylor was very kind and not wrong.”
Also Lorde was the one who shared the text herself. Move on.
i stand by what i said idc. and it’s not from lordes perspective it’s from MY perspective which is unchanged by your own condescending reply. condescending birds of a feather?
I agree that it's most likely about her, I've seen people (and Genius annotations??? ok) say it's about Marina but here's my thinking:
- the hair line, as you said (Marina has dark hair, sure, but it's not the same texture)
- 'we talk about making music but I don't know if it's honest' + 'one day we might make some music, the internet would go crazy' : the phrasing implies that it'd be the first time they'd make music together imho, and Marina and Charli already have a song out (although the phrasing isn't 100% clear and if it turned out it actually was about Marina, it wouldn't be weird or anything)
- 'you're all about writing poems' : yes yes Marina is coming out with a poetry book, but if you'd asked me which of Lorde or Marina was more poem-y, my answer is Lorde 100% (although, again, wouldn't be insane if it was in fact referencing Marina, that's pretty subjective)
But there's one thing that I haven't seen anyone else talking about, and it's the smoking gun for me: 'think you should come to my parties and put your hands up' : one of Lorde's most famous songs literally says 'I'm kinda over being told to throw my hands up in the air' lmao
With all that said, I think (as do many people in this thread) that it's pretty obvious nothing about the song is negative towards the mysterious pop girlie; it's about Charli's feelings towards the competitive nature of the industry, comparing herself to her, etc. She's not saying 'she deserves to fall over and fail', she's saying 'I kind of want her to fall over and fail, it's so confusing, I don't actually dislike her' imo
(Edit: grammar)
The hair line seals the deal by itself imo. Back in like 2014, it was basically a meme that Charli and Lorde were the same person or interchangeable because of their hair. Charli was well aware of it herself. The hair comparison was like a *thing* in the zeitgeist.
I can soooo see this patronising situation. I wonder if "I'm embarrassed to have it but need the sympathy" implies that maybe she tried to chat to Taylor backstage about the only thing they have in common - the industry - and Taylor's response was "sympathetic" but made Charli embarrassed or something. Like they tried to catch up, but it ended up making Charli feel all her insecurities esp if we were to then link to the references later that she was at one stage contemplating whether she does want commercial success. Imagine feeling that way and then speaking to literally Taylor Swift who is like "aw cute, I remember my first chart" or something hahahaha.
I'm not articulating this well and don't want to come across full-blown swiftie conspiracy but nonetheless I hope it comes across!
Side note I love how Charli kept these explicit details in the lyrics! It would be probably almost expected in a popstar sense that she'd dilute the real stuff as she takes the tracks from demos to finished versions, but she is so committed to her vision that her authenticity is non-negotiable.
Charli tried to quell the rumors by stating on a video that there aren't diss tracks on the album and not about anyone specifically just how women are expected to act towards each other in the music industry etc. BUT all that being said it's hard not to imagine this line being about Taylor specifically
I think it is just because who else would be backstage at her boyfriends show in this context during the writing of this album. I don't really think it's a dig at her though. Just Charli contemplating the side of the industry she's on and the side Taylor is on. I do wonder though if Taylor heard it was about her and that's why she aggressively blocked her from going #1 in the UK. Pathetic tbh
Charli was close to having the sales to be number 1 for her opening week but Taylor released another variant of her album only available to purchase in the UK, boosting her sales for the week and keeping her at number one which seems extremely calculated
Wow, had no idea. Thanks for that.
& what’s so funny is Swifties will insist it’s just a coincidence that she dropped the UK variant now, as if her entire brand isn’t *all* about pettiness, revenge, calculated moves & tiny little Easter eggs alluding to those moves.
So shady.
That's not what her music is all about. She also didn't drop new album versions, she dropped voice memos... which only got 1134 downloads. She would have gone number 1 without dropping them.
This is what I keep saying like it was voice memos and just like with billies album (also expected at #1) Taylor would have beaten this one without it too. Like how little faith do you have in an artist to say a voice memo *blocked* them for number one. Get a grip.
Taylor just has more fans. That’s literally a fact. I love Taylor, I’m flying to a different country to see her but y’all accuse us of buying all the variants. I have the maniscript variant I pre ordered immediately after the announcement at the Grammys and I snagged myself a signed cd of the same variant. That’s it. And I have disposable income Lmfao but the majority of us are not actually buying all these variants.
i dont think that’s how charts works… it’s not some voices memo that are going to completely change those numbers tho … right now in the uk bon jovi new album is also competing for that spot and doing the same as taylor.
But somehow ppl still make it this a taylor vs charlie war…. i find it ironic that a song about the industry and how it pits women against each other, makes people actually do that lol
https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/taylor-swift-charli-xcx-bon-jovi-number-1-album/
well there is no doubt that those techniques are shady but all i’m trying to say is that they are used by so many ppl on the industry but are pointed out mostly when it’s about female artists, which is the theme of that song….
It’s really embarrassing that swifties are trying to turn this into a feminist issue. Real whataboutism lol. Like people are specifically calling Taylor out for doing this because there’s already 34 variants of the album and the releases seem to keep aligning with the releases of other artists albums.
People aren’t complaining about Bon Jovi doing it, Because his album has only just come out this week so it makes sense that there’s a variant or whatever
It's being pointed out here bc this is a thread about charli and taylor...? Why would we care to bring up, in this case, bon jovi? Maybe if they released 34 exclusive versions of their album just to hog #1 from brat, then yeah they would be relevant
Taylor's still not over her Kim K. feud judging by her last album, so the UK release block seemed like some petty shit she would do. I'm a Taylor music fan, but her as a person from the outside looking in is getting harder to like by the day
It's definitely, at least in part, about Taylor. It's honestly ridiculous that people are saying that it isn't. Those lines are clear as day. Obviously, the song has broader themes, but Taylor is absolutely a part of it. Some people cite Charli saying that only two songs were pointed ("Von Dutch" and "Girl So Confusing") but do you really think she would come out and say "Yes, it's about Taylor Swift?" That would be corny, and she doesn't even need to when it's clear from the lyrics.
No one aware of the swiftie harassment trend will openly market a song as explicitly a Taylor diss track. It’s too inflammatory in a way that I don’t think is even particularly helpful to the song’s charting, it just causes internet nastiness. When she talks about ‘not meaning’ the songs as diss tracks but still feeling she would be chastised for the stands she felt she was making about aspects of the industry, I feel it speaks to a reluctant but necessary need to call out the same stuff as Billie. I mean, are we pretending the brat deluxe’s title is anything but a tongue in cheek jab at the 103 different variants for the girl writing poems?
This quite clearly isn’t a diss track though, no matter who it’s about - it’s about Charli’s insecurity in the face of someone else’s success. I feel like everyone is ignoring that very clear meaning and reading this as ‘SHE HATES THE OTHER WOMAN’, which just…isn’t supported by the lyrics at all.
Didn’t say it was a diss track, didn’t say she ‘hates the other woman’. I did say, however, that she herself said that the songs are commentary on the industry and that she felt she might ‘get in trouble’ for the stances she was making. In the same album she has mocked deluxe releases, mocked flowery lyrics romanticizing nihilistic flings, and imho mockingly juxtaposes a fawn-like sarcastic “I’m just a wee girl!” with this manufactured over competitiveness that folks like the 40,000-Version Queen intentionally feed into. I do stand by the idea that there is absolutely nothing to be gained by marketing your pop hit as a “taylor swift diss track, I think anything she is saying that is meant for Taylor, Taylor will pick up on, but this is not a rap feud and she’s not interested in starting back and forths. She is clearly however providing explicit and implicit subtext to how she feels about the industry and how she’s driven to all these emotions.
Yes, Charli mentions insecurity about someone else’s success making her insecure, but why does she repeat how confused she is? Are we to believe she repeats how confusing it is to be a girl just because she truly doesn’t know how to feel about competing with other women and being pitted against each other, or could it be that she is repeating this because it feels “confusing” to watch the same people who talk trash about others as if they are the gatekeepers of feminist action being the ones directly contributing towards mudslinging and the toxic brand of competitiveness? Something brought up frequently across multiple tracks, including the one she did herself call a diss track despite that of course being a hip hop phenomena we are trying to graft onto an artist just having a point she wants to make, is that someone is talking shit about her, presumably amongst artists, and someone wishes they could break into the club scene like her as they occupy very different spaces musically. While she mentions being insecure in one song, there is certainly subtext meant in the way she chooses to say it, and in another song she is straight up telling a specific hater they’re jealous and could never occupy the space Charli is: cult classic but still pop. Why is the bag shut? Because you can’t be fake and authentic at the same time 🤷
post edit: check out 12:10 mark of this interview of charli posted 10 days ago.
https://youtu.be/oweheOiX8h8?si=aHhEFY9JfXPPCqEc
That line for sure is but I think the whole song is more about how no matter how hard you work and how well received you are, it’s incredibly hard to distance yourself from comparisons between you and other women that ultimately cause insecurities and jealousy.
It's also the extremely weird mix where these women are your colleagues, coworkers, competition, friends--or are they any of those things? Does it change every day? Is it real or fake? Can I call it out or am I just being crazy? Love it, applicable both in those specific moments being referenced and broadly accurate in many many situations.
yes it is. in a polite and subtle way. so much of Charlie's narrative is about being just out of reach of commercial success that being around taylor... the song makes a lot of sense
i got smth in that sense too cause the “girl” she is talking about “taps her insecurities”.
Charli has “all those feelings she can’t control”, like she doesn’t want to feel all that, she doesn’t want to feel this small next to that girl, but she can’t help it?
and she doesn’t want to “have” to be nice to that girl? idk that’s how i kinda interpreted that song?
yeah but you’re just putting your own sad projections onto the music. Nothing about what Charli sings about suggests she would support what you’re saying
I am not saying sympathy is a knife is a diss or hate towards taylor. I understand the concept of the song and the album. it's just refreshing to see someone not blowing smoke up her ass.
okay as long as you understand acting this way goes entirely against the sentiments Charli expresses in her music regarding the pop music industry and other female artists 👍
Why? It seems like a waste of energy and like there are far bigger fish to fry (like people committing genocide). 🌾 <— there’s some grass in case you haven’t touched any lately
I think it’s a mix but this verse yes…like Charli spoke about how this song is about how women are pit against each other in the industry and she’s being honest, I appreciate that. Like you might hate that you are pit against each other but also want to feed into it bc that’s how you really feel bc the industry is built that way
If I'm not mistaken, with his "boyfriend's show" she means a 1975 show, and twigs used to be with Matty Healy for a time. Just that. Only a possibility.
More like December 2019-April/may 2022 (they spent Christmas together, there’s a picture from it and When we’re together is mentioning the early stages of their relationship)
It’s more about the dynamic & feelings Charli has regarding Swift’s fame. But oh man am I gonna SCREAM this song at the top of my lungs at the LA show this Saturday!!
Taylor Swift is only ever sympathetic to other women in a Regina George or Fleabag's Godmother kind of way. She's sympathetic to other women in a "letting Katy Perry be in my music video after trying to destroy her, and after she's no longer a competitor and is flopping while never actually making amends." Shes sympathetic to other women in a "calling an up and coming Asian American woman of color my daughter and then taking credit for her entire career and suing her and putting someone she's in horrible terms with as my opening act." She's sympathetic to other women in a "trying to destroy my former tour opener because... well... just because." In other words, Taylor Swift's sympathy is only ever just a knife. She's the Margaret Thatcher of music.
it definitely is. but if someone thinks this is a “diss track”
then they have a very basic understanding of human emotions and the complexity of jealousy
Charli: "Taylor Swift's success makes me want to buy a gun and shoot myself. I couldn't be her even if I tried."
Fanbase: "Woah, what an epic diss! Haha! Get owned Taylor!"
Both the TS/Lorde songs are just Charli giving a glimpse inside her head at vulnerable points, they're not Charli starting up a Kendrick Lamar-level beef.
The song involves Taylor but it is mostly about charli’s feelings about her career and comparisons of “success” + sharing these feelings with others. Taylor definitely amplifies these feelings given the past 2 years of super stardom she’s had.
Don’t think it is a diss + don’t think Taylor is the one being “sympathetic”, it’s charli’s friends + george being sympathetic when she shares these insecurities with them. I don’t think charli and taylor even talk to each other lol
im obsessed with Sympathy is a knife, fr one of the best songs released this year (along 360, and 365), i fear its EVEN TOP 3 (for me), and we had LOTS of new excellent and acclaimed music
She literally shouts out Gabriette in 360. I don't think there's anything that could upstage Charli, not even the engagement. It's so brat to marry the 1975!
Hey relatively new Charli fan! Is it not weird her boyfriend/fiance still associates with Matty Healy who has said a slew of racist/generally awful things?? Are we to assume she doesn’t agree with his shit bc it makes me feel a bit 😵💫
Would you quit YOUR job (effectively stalling your career) because Steve in accounting was making racist jokes? Would your gf/bf break up with you because Steve from accounting continued making offensive jokes?
Damn, lucky you. My old boss still calls me the beautiful (apparently nameless) Chinese girl. I'm not Asian. I am genuinely happy for you that you know your worth. I hope you are part of the younger generation and that your mindset is really galvanized and, like, normalized going forward.
But still, not everyone has that luxury. Lots of people are cash poor or are locked into contracts.
There's not excusing, and then there's holding everyone to your standards. Not everyone can just up and leave their job based on moral pressures. That doesn't mean they excuse casual racism. It means they need money to live. If you can decide on a whim to leave your job, you're either privileged or dumb. That has nothing to do with your co-worker racist remarks. In fact, by leaving, you're doing nothing more than washing your hands of the responsibility to fight racism and prepetuating it. It's your workplace too. Go to HR, sue , do whatever you need to. Leaving is a coward choice. Again, previleged or dumb.
I’m not talking about the average person though, my original question focused on her partner who is in the 1975 who are still relevant I think, and would presumably have more autonomy over their work and earnings. Never focused on ordinary people - I was asked a personal question so I answered personally. Thanks babe xox
Also, I'm white, and if I was there working with you I would make sure I would say something and help you in any way I could. So I'm sure there are good white people out there too, not just racist assholes. Try to open your mind and find them because there's also a certain bias Black people have, and while it's somewhat understandable it's also something you hide behind and venerate rather than try to overcome. White people have been fighting racism for centuries. Not all, but many. Give us the benefit of the doubt and some might surprise you.
Huh? I have nothing against white people, I’m not really sure why you are trying to paint me as a Black person with a bias to white people as I’ve never indicated that in any of my responses.
I went to a predominantly white school and university, and have always had loads of white friends. This is a REALLY strange comment
i think it is and i hope it is and i hate taylor swift and so should everyone else. fucking dropping a boring variant of one of her 82928382 songs just to stay at #1 as if she hasn’t been #1 for the past 10 years. she can’t stand seeing other women win. performative activism at its peak. remember that she a billionaire and acts accordingly. remember her 13 minute flight? her supporters are brain washed cunts with boring lives 🤣🤣🤣🤣
On the one hand she basically said on Culturistas that it’s about one person, but it can still be about more than one or about the concept generally. The hair line is def about Lorde. The back stage line is about Taylor/about other female artists generally.
Someone made a meme on Twitter saying the music video is “bad blood but for girls that do coke” and she liked/reposted it. I think because she thought it was funny, not shady!
personally I do think it’s about her
I think the line *is* about her, but I don’t necessarily think the whole song is. it can also be a lot broader than just one person… a group of people, a type of person, a few people…
Exactly! I think that line is about her, but then the rest of the song is about spiraling from a singular thought
This is what I think about girl so confusing. It might be about Lorde but it might also be anout lots of people and she's made it into one persona
I've seen a lot of speculation to that effect. Like you say, I think people forget that songs can be about more than one thing, or sometimes not even about anything at all. I love Imogen Heap and she wrote a song called [Aha!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m55-_3TCE4M) that she said was about people who have strict dietary requirements (vegan etc.) and make others accomodate them and yet will break their own rules if no-ones looking, BUT also about a serial killer. You just never know until the artist actually comes clean.
Man, the vlogs leading up to that album were some of my favorite times. Isn't she overdue for another section of The Listening Chair too?
Yeah I got into her too late to be around when they were actually going, but have since been and watched them. I only recently watched the documentary Everything In-Between which is like an expanded version of her vlogs and it was SO good. I wish more artists would make behind the scenes stuf like that. I think she is overdue for a listening chair section, but after following her work for 15 years I've come to the conclusion that she likes to start projects but doesn't always love to see them through forever so, I wouldn't count on it haha!
Yeah the song as a whole is about so much more really clearly to me, that line for sure though
My theory is that Charli wasn't keen on the forced friendship she'd be pressured to have with Taylor Swift purely because they were dating bandmates at the time. Charli also used to open for Taylor years ago. There might be something between them that isn’t public knowledge yet.
I remember a guest on Charli's BBC podcast was raving about how much they loved Taylor once (I can't remember who but I think it was either Phoebe Bridgers or Lukas Gage) and Charli was like "yeah, uh huh, right, ok."
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Phoebe and Taylor collaborated on Red (Taylor’s Version)
I went and checked today and it was the Phoebe episode - starts at 5 min in
Do you remember when Charli was opening for Taylor she made some comment about liking Kanye in an interview and then Taylor Swift fans got mad and immediately after she made an insta post listing her favourite Taylor songs it felt forced but I could be misremembering that
I also distinctly remember Charli saying in an interview that opening for Taylor in huge half-filled arenas full of people who only knew Charli’s most mainstream stuff was a much different experience than headlining for a bunch of Angels in a small intimate venue where she could play the songs she likes best, and the Swifties read it and went “SHE CALLED US FIVE-YEAR-OLDS! ALL UNITS ATTACK!”
Yes and Taylor never mentioned her again. She was cut out of the kingdom.that no one wan2 I think people don't remember how big this was for a day or two.
Why would she? That would require acknowledging that there are other women in the world besides Taylor Swift, and Taylor doesn’t want her fanbase doing that
When Charli was literally just making a factual statement about the literal ddmographic composition of the crowd and not trying to be a dick to anyone
Just based on their public personas, I don’t see these two mixing. Charli represents inclusivity, while t*ylor represents exclusivity. Sure, she may have opened for her 5 years ago, but both of their brands and behaviors are completely opposite, and I don’t think it’s in an “opposites attract” type of way. Just my take.
Whitewashed vs pinkwashed capitalism😍😍
I definitely got that sense listening to it. My interpretation is that Taylor is “sympathetic” to Charli in a patronizing way, putting herself above her and on a pedestal. She’s sympathetic, but it feels like a stab or a jab. Especially with the “don’t want to see her backstage at my boyfriend’s show” line, it feels like this is without a doubt about Taylor Swift. Tbh I’m more curious to know who Girl, So Confusing is about! People have a few different guesses and it seems more ambiguous to me
> My interpretation is that Taylor is “sympathetic” to Charli in a patronizing way, She says "I'm embarassed to have it, but need the sympathy" after she's talking with George so I don't think the sympathy is from Taylor Swift or the song is about anything that Taylor Swift does exactly, other than just existing in close proximity. The song is about Taylor Swift and her hyper success just activating Charli's insecurity and Charli wanting sympathy from George/friends but also being embarrassed/hurt to have to need it at all and it doesn't even help her.
this!! you put beautiful into words my interpretation of this song!!
It’s definitely about Lorde. So many people are taking it as a diss track when it’s really not. Like no one is paying attention to the whole song. Obviously theyre friends but she’s sharing her insecurities about it. Like I’ve wondered about some of my friends, do they really like me? Even the Taylor swift one isn’t exactly a diss track. Like she seems to feel wrong about the way she’s feeling in my interpretation. Maybe she’ll make a real diss track about her now after the album shit she pulled lol
Yeah it’s not a diss track on anyone. It’s just Charli talking about how she is self conscious sometimes about the fact that she doesn’t have the cookie cutter look or style needed to be an A-List pop diva like Taylor or Beyoncé or whoever—and that she tells people she feels that way, they tell her it doesn’t matter, and it doesn’t help.
Yeah Charli did say the only song on the album that might be a kind of diss track is Von Dutch
Who’s that song dissing?
She didn't say but the way she phrased it, I think she was hinting at it being a self diss...but that's just my interpretation
How is that a diss track?
“It’s okay to just admit that you’re jealous of me” “I get money, you get mad because the bank shut” “You won’t fuck unless he’s famous” Do you really not see it?
I haven’t read the lyrics but didn’t think it was a song directed at anyone in particular
I think you might wanna check the lyrics to a song before arguing what it is or isn't about (not that I think there's a correct answer mind you)
Ask Charli, it's her song and it's her that said it was
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Exactly. I dont understand why so many people need it to be a black or white situation. I see so many comments about how complicated and deep of an album it is and then being like “can’t believe she hates lorde and Taylor” in the same sentence.
Idk why anyone hates Lord & Taylor. It was a solid department store.
Idk bro I heard there was a department in there where poets get tortured, doesn’t sound great to me 👀
Your pure heroine is missing the E
I also took it as how with the whole “women supporting women!” and “don’t pit women against each other!” narratives that dominate pop fandoms it sometimes feels like there isn’t room to be a woman in the industry and have an honest opinion about other women without being labeled as a pick me or anti-feminist. It’s unrealistic to like and get along with everyone and yet it’s considered by some to be, like, taboo to say you just don’t vibe with someone.
Agree with everything you said. On my first listen through of Brat I was convinced it was about Marina. And then I thought it was interesting that the next song was Apple which her vocals sound very Marina inspired and also the name “Apple” which is a fruit (Froot). But I was probably thinking way too into things. I def think that it’s about Lorde now. Girl, So Confusing is not a dis track at all. I don’t understand how anybody can think that. It’s literally her putting her feelings about a friend she wished she had in this person. It’s real and relatable. Sympathy is also not dissing Taylor but it sure is about her in that one lyric. I feel that Taylor is probably really toxic irl. It would be hard to deal with and it affects Charli negatively (like it would affect anybody with a heart). I think it’s brave that she put it out there the way she did. She is just so real and also knows how to confront these things head on and with a lot of class.
Apple sounds so much like a Marina song. The only thing I don't see is the line about poetry.. Marina literally has a poetry book coming out but idk anything about Lorde writing poems (maybe she does).
She has a song called writer in the dark which gives those vibes
I'll have to check it out
I also feel like the entire song is about how the girl she’s like insecure over hasn’t really don’t anything wrong. Charlie fully admits that it’s all in her head and that it’s just a problem where no one is to blame.
Exactly. I don’t understand how so many are missing it.
Omg Kdot takes out Drake and Charli takes out Swift in the same year would be fucking amazing.
It would. Although, it would mean Swifties and Beyhive take out us.
totally agree about the patronizing line. for the lorde fans here, remember how during solar power release week, taylor sent her a text saying “first week sales don’t define a legacy” such a weird and unwelcome comment to me. i like taylor and *usually* don’t care how eager she is for success. but this came off as so condescending and irrelevant. wouldn’t surprise me if she spoke down to charli similarly
Yeah tbh Taylor is a great artist, but seems more interested in commercial success at the end of the day. Her capitalist with a capital C side is shady and research shows that empathy goes down the richer someone gets.
Or you could provide the entire text instead of that one sentence that you’ve invented some shady connotation to lol. I’ll help you out :) “You will always be imagined in my mind in a rowboat with Annie Lennox floating down a river of cool cerebral ethereal dreams but don’t-f**k-with-me vibes all around you.” “And I don’t think first-week record sales singularly define a legacy.” Lorde then replied, “I love you so much for this.” The ‘Royals’ singer also captioned the screenshot, “Taylor was very kind and not wrong.” Also Lorde was the one who shared the text herself. Move on.
i stand by what i said idc. and it’s not from lordes perspective it’s from MY perspective which is unchanged by your own condescending reply. condescending birds of a feather?
Okay sweetie. Gold star for lack of media comprehension for you!
Fairly sure it’s about Lorde cause of the hair line
I agree that it's most likely about her, I've seen people (and Genius annotations??? ok) say it's about Marina but here's my thinking: - the hair line, as you said (Marina has dark hair, sure, but it's not the same texture) - 'we talk about making music but I don't know if it's honest' + 'one day we might make some music, the internet would go crazy' : the phrasing implies that it'd be the first time they'd make music together imho, and Marina and Charli already have a song out (although the phrasing isn't 100% clear and if it turned out it actually was about Marina, it wouldn't be weird or anything) - 'you're all about writing poems' : yes yes Marina is coming out with a poetry book, but if you'd asked me which of Lorde or Marina was more poem-y, my answer is Lorde 100% (although, again, wouldn't be insane if it was in fact referencing Marina, that's pretty subjective) But there's one thing that I haven't seen anyone else talking about, and it's the smoking gun for me: 'think you should come to my parties and put your hands up' : one of Lorde's most famous songs literally says 'I'm kinda over being told to throw my hands up in the air' lmao With all that said, I think (as do many people in this thread) that it's pretty obvious nothing about the song is negative towards the mysterious pop girlie; it's about Charli's feelings towards the competitive nature of the industry, comparing herself to her, etc. She's not saying 'she deserves to fall over and fail', she's saying 'I kind of want her to fall over and fail, it's so confusing, I don't actually dislike her' imo (Edit: grammar)
The hair line seals the deal by itself imo. Back in like 2014, it was basically a meme that Charli and Lorde were the same person or interchangeable because of their hair. Charli was well aware of it herself. The hair comparison was like a *thing* in the zeitgeist.
Also, the "you can't tell what you're feeling I think I know how you feel" seems like a reference to Mood Ring to me
Oh dang good catch on that smoking gun
I think the line about the internet going crazy is also a key clue for it being Lorde, I really hope they do a collab
I can soooo see this patronising situation. I wonder if "I'm embarrassed to have it but need the sympathy" implies that maybe she tried to chat to Taylor backstage about the only thing they have in common - the industry - and Taylor's response was "sympathetic" but made Charli embarrassed or something. Like they tried to catch up, but it ended up making Charli feel all her insecurities esp if we were to then link to the references later that she was at one stage contemplating whether she does want commercial success. Imagine feeling that way and then speaking to literally Taylor Swift who is like "aw cute, I remember my first chart" or something hahahaha. I'm not articulating this well and don't want to come across full-blown swiftie conspiracy but nonetheless I hope it comes across! Side note I love how Charli kept these explicit details in the lyrics! It would be probably almost expected in a popstar sense that she'd dilute the real stuff as she takes the tracks from demos to finished versions, but she is so committed to her vision that her authenticity is non-negotiable.
Girl, so confusing has gotta be about Lorde.
I believe girl, so confusing is for Rina Sawayama 100%
Her and Rina already made music together tho right?
Yeah it makes no sense for it to be Rina
The beef was after their collaboration . Now they have even unfollowed each other on Instagram , so…
Tbh I don’t think Taylor thinks about Charli that much / at all lol
she thinks about her enough to release a geolocked limited digital edition of her new album just to try to block charli from going #1 in the uk 😭
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Charli tried to quell the rumors by stating on a video that there aren't diss tracks on the album and not about anyone specifically just how women are expected to act towards each other in the music industry etc. BUT all that being said it's hard not to imagine this line being about Taylor specifically
it's very brat to do that while also dropping an album with 3 distinct diss tracks
I think it is just because who else would be backstage at her boyfriends show in this context during the writing of this album. I don't really think it's a dig at her though. Just Charli contemplating the side of the industry she's on and the side Taylor is on. I do wonder though if Taylor heard it was about her and that's why she aggressively blocked her from going #1 in the UK. Pathetic tbh
yeah, i can see how the line about wanting this couple to break up quick quick can be interpreted as a little mean 🙃 so idk
Like, I guess. But we were all thinking it right lmao
How did Taylor block her from going #1? Sorry, out of the loop
Charli was close to having the sales to be number 1 for her opening week but Taylor released another variant of her album only available to purchase in the UK, boosting her sales for the week and keeping her at number one which seems extremely calculated
Wow, had no idea. Thanks for that. & what’s so funny is Swifties will insist it’s just a coincidence that she dropped the UK variant now, as if her entire brand isn’t *all* about pettiness, revenge, calculated moves & tiny little Easter eggs alluding to those moves. So shady.
Swifties aren’t denying it lol they’re very well aware she does it on purpose they just don’t care
THIS!!! How is Taylor always painted as the good girl when all of her music is about pettiness, bitterness and calculated revenge?
That's not what her music is all about. She also didn't drop new album versions, she dropped voice memos... which only got 1134 downloads. She would have gone number 1 without dropping them.
This is what I keep saying like it was voice memos and just like with billies album (also expected at #1) Taylor would have beaten this one without it too. Like how little faith do you have in an artist to say a voice memo *blocked* them for number one. Get a grip. Taylor just has more fans. That’s literally a fact. I love Taylor, I’m flying to a different country to see her but y’all accuse us of buying all the variants. I have the maniscript variant I pre ordered immediately after the announcement at the Grammys and I snagged myself a signed cd of the same variant. That’s it. And I have disposable income Lmfao but the majority of us are not actually buying all these variants.
Swifties love it, it's so high school
You’re stuck at the age you get famous… so for Taylor that’s 16
i dont think that’s how charts works… it’s not some voices memo that are going to completely change those numbers tho … right now in the uk bon jovi new album is also competing for that spot and doing the same as taylor. But somehow ppl still make it this a taylor vs charlie war…. i find it ironic that a song about the industry and how it pits women against each other, makes people actually do that lol https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/taylor-swift-charli-xcx-bon-jovi-number-1-album/
The final charts have already come out and Taylor is at #1 thanks to the last minute albums she dropped.
well there is no doubt that those techniques are shady but all i’m trying to say is that they are used by so many ppl on the industry but are pointed out mostly when it’s about female artists, which is the theme of that song….
It’s really embarrassing that swifties are trying to turn this into a feminist issue. Real whataboutism lol. Like people are specifically calling Taylor out for doing this because there’s already 34 variants of the album and the releases seem to keep aligning with the releases of other artists albums. People aren’t complaining about Bon Jovi doing it, Because his album has only just come out this week so it makes sense that there’s a variant or whatever
I feel like a lot of swifties only know what white girl boss feminism is, which is not really knowing it at all.
She did it the day Billie released her album too.
It's being pointed out here bc this is a thread about charli and taylor...? Why would we care to bring up, in this case, bon jovi? Maybe if they released 34 exclusive versions of their album just to hog #1 from brat, then yeah they would be relevant
Found the swiftie I guess
no? what does that have to do with anything? why loving an artist means hating on anyone else?
Taylor's still not over her Kim K. feud judging by her last album, so the UK release block seemed like some petty shit she would do. I'm a Taylor music fan, but her as a person from the outside looking in is getting harder to like by the day
It's definitely, at least in part, about Taylor. It's honestly ridiculous that people are saying that it isn't. Those lines are clear as day. Obviously, the song has broader themes, but Taylor is absolutely a part of it. Some people cite Charli saying that only two songs were pointed ("Von Dutch" and "Girl So Confusing") but do you really think she would come out and say "Yes, it's about Taylor Swift?" That would be corny, and she doesn't even need to when it's clear from the lyrics.
No one aware of the swiftie harassment trend will openly market a song as explicitly a Taylor diss track. It’s too inflammatory in a way that I don’t think is even particularly helpful to the song’s charting, it just causes internet nastiness. When she talks about ‘not meaning’ the songs as diss tracks but still feeling she would be chastised for the stands she felt she was making about aspects of the industry, I feel it speaks to a reluctant but necessary need to call out the same stuff as Billie. I mean, are we pretending the brat deluxe’s title is anything but a tongue in cheek jab at the 103 different variants for the girl writing poems?
This quite clearly isn’t a diss track though, no matter who it’s about - it’s about Charli’s insecurity in the face of someone else’s success. I feel like everyone is ignoring that very clear meaning and reading this as ‘SHE HATES THE OTHER WOMAN’, which just…isn’t supported by the lyrics at all.
Didn’t say it was a diss track, didn’t say she ‘hates the other woman’. I did say, however, that she herself said that the songs are commentary on the industry and that she felt she might ‘get in trouble’ for the stances she was making. In the same album she has mocked deluxe releases, mocked flowery lyrics romanticizing nihilistic flings, and imho mockingly juxtaposes a fawn-like sarcastic “I’m just a wee girl!” with this manufactured over competitiveness that folks like the 40,000-Version Queen intentionally feed into. I do stand by the idea that there is absolutely nothing to be gained by marketing your pop hit as a “taylor swift diss track, I think anything she is saying that is meant for Taylor, Taylor will pick up on, but this is not a rap feud and she’s not interested in starting back and forths. She is clearly however providing explicit and implicit subtext to how she feels about the industry and how she’s driven to all these emotions. Yes, Charli mentions insecurity about someone else’s success making her insecure, but why does she repeat how confused she is? Are we to believe she repeats how confusing it is to be a girl just because she truly doesn’t know how to feel about competing with other women and being pitted against each other, or could it be that she is repeating this because it feels “confusing” to watch the same people who talk trash about others as if they are the gatekeepers of feminist action being the ones directly contributing towards mudslinging and the toxic brand of competitiveness? Something brought up frequently across multiple tracks, including the one she did herself call a diss track despite that of course being a hip hop phenomena we are trying to graft onto an artist just having a point she wants to make, is that someone is talking shit about her, presumably amongst artists, and someone wishes they could break into the club scene like her as they occupy very different spaces musically. While she mentions being insecure in one song, there is certainly subtext meant in the way she chooses to say it, and in another song she is straight up telling a specific hater they’re jealous and could never occupy the space Charli is: cult classic but still pop. Why is the bag shut? Because you can’t be fake and authentic at the same time 🤷 post edit: check out 12:10 mark of this interview of charli posted 10 days ago. https://youtu.be/oweheOiX8h8?si=aHhEFY9JfXPPCqEc
That line for sure is but I think the whole song is more about how no matter how hard you work and how well received you are, it’s incredibly hard to distance yourself from comparisons between you and other women that ultimately cause insecurities and jealousy.
It's also the extremely weird mix where these women are your colleagues, coworkers, competition, friends--or are they any of those things? Does it change every day? Is it real or fake? Can I call it out or am I just being crazy? Love it, applicable both in those specific moments being referenced and broadly accurate in many many situations.
It's also interesting considering that research shows half of the people we consider friends don't consider us friends :D
yes it is. in a polite and subtle way. so much of Charlie's narrative is about being just out of reach of commercial success that being around taylor... the song makes a lot of sense
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lol chill out i’d rather her have new fans then have fans like you making her fan base annoying
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“you guys”? i think it’s just you being mad someone spelled something wrong? you’re making this such a big deal lmao
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you replied first on something stupid that wasn’t even about the comment? maybe choose peace. get a job maybe!
Which can explain why TS is trying to block Charli for getting #1 in the UK 🧐
honestly I hope so. not enough artists are willing to say they don't like her 😏
I think her "not liking her" is a not what she's saying, I think Charli is intensly jealous to the point that it made her feel bad to ever see her
i got smth in that sense too cause the “girl” she is talking about “taps her insecurities”. Charli has “all those feelings she can’t control”, like she doesn’t want to feel all that, she doesn’t want to feel this small next to that girl, but she can’t help it? and she doesn’t want to “have” to be nice to that girl? idk that’s how i kinda interpreted that song?
I feel like ur missing a major theme of the album if u think any of the girls charli is singing about deserve to be hated on
taylor swift deserves to be hated on.
Yeah even as a fan of Taylor's music I think there should be more backlash against her. She's a climate criminal and a billionaire.
yeah but you’re just putting your own sad projections onto the music. Nothing about what Charli sings about suggests she would support what you’re saying
I am not saying sympathy is a knife is a diss or hate towards taylor. I understand the concept of the song and the album. it's just refreshing to see someone not blowing smoke up her ass.
okay as long as you understand acting this way goes entirely against the sentiments Charli expresses in her music regarding the pop music industry and other female artists 👍
Why? It seems like a waste of energy and like there are far bigger fish to fry (like people committing genocide). 🌾 <— there’s some grass in case you haven’t touched any lately
well for one she's a climate criminal, a greedy billionaire, and a mediocre artist. she also let a neo nazi hit. couldn't be me 🫣
Matty is not a neo nazi… he’s a fool/idiot but not a neo nazi. I wouldn’t throw around words like that about people who definitely are not that.
could somebody else verify that last point?
did she not fuck Matty Healy?
He's not a neo-nazi at all lol
I guess I'm in the wrong sub
do you know what is a neo-nazis??? that’s an insane thing to say
It takes 0% of my energy to just be a hater.
What have you done to stop the genocide?
I'd give you reddit gold if I wasn't unemployed and addicted to weed
I think it’s a mix but this verse yes…like Charli spoke about how this song is about how women are pit against each other in the industry and she’s being honest, I appreciate that. Like you might hate that you are pit against each other but also want to feed into it bc that’s how you really feel bc the industry is built that way
exactly, you put this beautiful!
Could be about twigs as well, but who knows.
Why would she see twigs backstage at her boyfriend’s show…?
If I'm not mistaken, with his "boyfriend's show" she means a 1975 show, and twigs used to be with Matty Healy for a time. Just that. Only a possibility.
What is it about him I don’t get it
sigh
Twigs dated Matty until 2021/2022 time frame
that’s crazy i didn’t know the best person and worst person dated each other
He wasn’t bad back then though. He definitely changed after the pandemic. He basically shocked his own fanbase
More like December 2019-April/may 2022 (they spent Christmas together, there’s a picture from it and When we’re together is mentioning the early stages of their relationship)
Right I was just saying they broke up sometime in that time period
Ah I see, sorry I misread your text!
Not Twigs, Charli and Twigs were friends when FKA and Matty dated
I suppose.
I remember seeing Charli open at Taylor’s show years ago💀idk who else this would be about… I feel like it def is about Taylor
It’s more about the dynamic & feelings Charli has regarding Swift’s fame. But oh man am I gonna SCREAM this song at the top of my lungs at the LA show this Saturday!!
Taylor Swift is only ever sympathetic to other women in a Regina George or Fleabag's Godmother kind of way. She's sympathetic to other women in a "letting Katy Perry be in my music video after trying to destroy her, and after she's no longer a competitor and is flopping while never actually making amends." Shes sympathetic to other women in a "calling an up and coming Asian American woman of color my daughter and then taking credit for her entire career and suing her and putting someone she's in horrible terms with as my opening act." She's sympathetic to other women in a "trying to destroy my former tour opener because... well... just because." In other words, Taylor Swift's sympathy is only ever just a knife. She's the Margaret Thatcher of music.
She's a capitalist through and through who we all have to deal with because her dad bought a record label. ): She's fine! But! God!
She even sued the student tracking her private jet...she does not give A SHIT about climate change
Is this a joke ?
https://youtu.be/1mR9hdy6Qgw?si=S_9Opg-tm-EHXVD3
Comparing Taylor Swift to one of the worst and cruelest criminal leaders ever is insane lmao
\*of music\*
That’s like me saying Lin Manuel Miranda is the hitler of musicals
He really might be
it definitely is. but if someone thinks this is a “diss track” then they have a very basic understanding of human emotions and the complexity of jealousy
Charli: "Taylor Swift's success makes me want to buy a gun and shoot myself. I couldn't be her even if I tried." Fanbase: "Woah, what an epic diss! Haha! Get owned Taylor!" Both the TS/Lorde songs are just Charli giving a glimpse inside her head at vulnerable points, they're not Charli starting up a Kendrick Lamar-level beef.
The song involves Taylor but it is mostly about charli’s feelings about her career and comparisons of “success” + sharing these feelings with others. Taylor definitely amplifies these feelings given the past 2 years of super stardom she’s had. Don’t think it is a diss + don’t think Taylor is the one being “sympathetic”, it’s charli’s friends + george being sympathetic when she shares these insecurities with them. I don’t think charli and taylor even talk to each other lol
Agreed. It's implied they aren't friends, but that doesn't make it a diss track.
i thought the same thing
i knew it! ww3 will be between swifties and gays
🙃😭😭😭🙃
Can't wait for "meet the swifties"
According to Deux Moi, it’s about Chloe Bennet 🤷🏻♀️
im obsessed with Sympathy is a knife, fr one of the best songs released this year (along 360, and 365), i fear its EVEN TOP 3 (for me), and we had LOTS of new excellent and acclaimed music
So she fixed up MH with a bestie, who then upstaged her at her listening party in NY
She literally shouts out Gabriette in 360. I don't think there's anything that could upstage Charli, not even the engagement. It's so brat to marry the 1975!
She said the only diss track is Von Dutch.
sympathy = Taylor … knife = TS variant editions
I fucking hope so
its about somebody
Hey relatively new Charli fan! Is it not weird her boyfriend/fiance still associates with Matty Healy who has said a slew of racist/generally awful things?? Are we to assume she doesn’t agree with his shit bc it makes me feel a bit 😵💫
(I’ve been solidly listening to her here and there since the I Don’t Care/I Love It song but never got into her personal life!)
Ya Matty seems to suck as a person. I hope she's not down with that stuff.
Would you quit YOUR job (effectively stalling your career) because Steve in accounting was making racist jokes? Would your gf/bf break up with you because Steve from accounting continued making offensive jokes?
I work in racial justice, so yes. I’m also black so yes, I’d leave a job if continued discrimination/racism went unchecked.
Damn, lucky you. My old boss still calls me the beautiful (apparently nameless) Chinese girl. I'm not Asian. I am genuinely happy for you that you know your worth. I hope you are part of the younger generation and that your mindset is really galvanized and, like, normalized going forward. But still, not everyone has that luxury. Lots of people are cash poor or are locked into contracts.
Well you're either privileged or dumb. So...
I’m dumb as a Black person for not excusing casual racism? Ok babe
There's not excusing, and then there's holding everyone to your standards. Not everyone can just up and leave their job based on moral pressures. That doesn't mean they excuse casual racism. It means they need money to live. If you can decide on a whim to leave your job, you're either privileged or dumb. That has nothing to do with your co-worker racist remarks. In fact, by leaving, you're doing nothing more than washing your hands of the responsibility to fight racism and prepetuating it. It's your workplace too. Go to HR, sue , do whatever you need to. Leaving is a coward choice. Again, previleged or dumb.
I’m not talking about the average person though, my original question focused on her partner who is in the 1975 who are still relevant I think, and would presumably have more autonomy over their work and earnings. Never focused on ordinary people - I was asked a personal question so I answered personally. Thanks babe xox
Also you spelt privileged wrong x
Oh I'm so sorry! English must be very offended.
Also, I'm white, and if I was there working with you I would make sure I would say something and help you in any way I could. So I'm sure there are good white people out there too, not just racist assholes. Try to open your mind and find them because there's also a certain bias Black people have, and while it's somewhat understandable it's also something you hide behind and venerate rather than try to overcome. White people have been fighting racism for centuries. Not all, but many. Give us the benefit of the doubt and some might surprise you.
Huh? I have nothing against white people, I’m not really sure why you are trying to paint me as a Black person with a bias to white people as I’ve never indicated that in any of my responses. I went to a predominantly white school and university, and have always had loads of white friends. This is a REALLY strange comment
In my work, I work with white allies/colleagues all the time so I’m not sure if you associated racial justice with hating white people but okay
i think it is and i hope it is and i hate taylor swift and so should everyone else. fucking dropping a boring variant of one of her 82928382 songs just to stay at #1 as if she hasn’t been #1 for the past 10 years. she can’t stand seeing other women win. performative activism at its peak. remember that she a billionaire and acts accordingly. remember her 13 minute flight? her supporters are brain washed cunts with boring lives 🤣🤣🤣🤣
SympaThy ➡️ ST ➡️ Swift Taylor 🙀🙀
They aren’t toe to toe now. Taylor was number one again disappointingly.
that part is and some other lines probably are I didn't know she opened for her on the rep tour, but they've known each other a long time
Yes
Get over it you guys!
On the one hand she basically said on Culturistas that it’s about one person, but it can still be about more than one or about the concept generally. The hair line is def about Lorde. The back stage line is about Taylor/about other female artists generally.
Well obviously there's beef. I read somewhere that 360 is her "Bad Blood" reference.
Someone made a meme on Twitter saying the music video is “bad blood but for girls that do coke” and she liked/reposted it. I think because she thought it was funny, not shady!
https://i.redd.it/rqtfvqkbux6d1.gif