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TheGreekMachine

Hot take (or maybe not so much anymore): fuck RBG for not stepping down during Obama’s presidency. For a woman that fought so hard for the rights of others her entire career, her hubris at the end of her life has lead to the unwinding of countless precedents that protect those very same people. She has forever tarnished her legacy for me.


fawkie

It seems like that entire generation of liberals has a problem letting go of power. The sense of entitlement for people like RBG, Feinstein, Pelosi, and Biden to cling on until their literal dying breath despite all the evidence they're putting everything they've worked for at risk is so damn painful. I wish more of them would take a cue from Breyer and pass on the torch when the time has so clearly come.


ButkusHatesNitschke

The arrogance is strong within that group.


Sharobob

Even Breyer took a gigantic campaign from voters to congresspeople to get him to step down. He clearly didn't want to but we couldn't deal with another RBG situation.


Odlemart

Honestly, fuck Breyer too. He should have stepped down in the moment Biden was inaugurated.  The arrogant prick took his sweet time and waited until he was ready to publish his book ...


Zoomwafflez

You're being downloaded but people had been saying he should step down for years


AbsoluteZeroUnit

He's being downvoted for complaining about the guy who *didn't do* the thing other people are complaining about. Like, why?


Odlemart

In case you don't remember, at the beginning of Biden's term we also had a thin margin in the Senate. If something were to upset that (a death, an extremely aggressive case against a corrupt senator like Bob menendez, etc.), it's possible that we could have lost our majority. So waiting at all posed a risk. While Justice Breyer did step down before the midterms, it wasn't clear that he was going to do this.  People were calling for it, and yet you still had writers for Slate trying to get everyone to respect Breyer's delusional view of politics. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/06/stop-telling-breyer-to-retire.html So, yes, fuck Breyer.  Unfortunately, there are still a lot of libs who believe politics is The West Wing. Unlike the republicans, who know politics is about grabbing and wielding power.


nathynwithay

or just pass on period.


TrainingWoodpecker77

Oh bullshit. Plenty of GOP way past their prime stay in. It’s a good gig.


21MPH21

It's not a generation thing. It's an age/wellness issue.


tpic485

Pelosi? I don't understand how her not stepping down risked anything (of course, she has stepped down as speaker). I understand your logic with everyone else (obviously, no Democrat was going to lose a Senate seat in California but there are some issues that could come up and have an effect on other races when the governor picks her successor rather than going through the primary process, fortunately the governor's pick didn't seek election) but not Pelosi. She was mentally sharp and doing a good job as speaker all the way to the time she left that role.


TheGreekMachine

The worst part is they don’t pass the baton early enough so in 2016 when Biden was running in the primaries there were really not any well liked or wide appealing candidates who were younger (because there really aren’t any being trained or given opportunities).


Waxwaxwaxwox2

Biden did not run in 2016


TheGreekMachine

Hillary and Bernie did. Both old and legacy politicians that have been around forever. Edit: loving the downvotes here. Be mad all you want but when I think “fresh face” or “new blood” I don’t think Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton. The senate, house, and executive “leadership” have all been in politics for 30+ years now and half the political pundits and news commentators are from the same group of people. Literally no change, fresh ideas, or new blood for decades. Look where we are because of it.


tpic485

If you mean 2020, I certainly think Buttigig and Klobichar were well liked and wide appealing. The same could be said about others who also were a lot younger. But the voters gravitated towards the one with the most experience who had been Vice President. I think that was understandable.


eddiemurphyinnorbit

Her legacy isn’t even as clean as it’s presented anyway. Especially with Native Americans. There are of course much worse people in government, past and present, but her actions and her reputation really don’t align for me


ClintThrasherBarton

Especially ironic given the prior name of the school...


Odlemart

Couldn't agree more. The Girl Boss love for her is beyond embarrassing. Fuck her arrogant ass.


MethMouthMagoo

I feel the same way. Every time I see something positive about RBG, I just can't get over the fact that she refused to step down when asked. Now we have an absolute joke of a SCOTUS and while she's not fully to blame, she's a big reason why this country will keep going backwards, for years.


boyd_duzshesuck

> while she's not fully to blame She's fully to blame


AbsoluteZeroUnit

if she retired when Obama could have effortlessly nominated a replacement, it would still be 5-4 on most decisions.


pewpew30172

SCOTUS is dismantling our democracy and empowering would-be autocrats. That ain't no fucking joke.


SnickBoi

Crazy logic that restoring legislative power from the unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats in the executive branch to the elected legislative branch is deemed ‘empowering would-be autocrats’. Feels like double think.


pewpew30172

Can't tell if you're joking orrr? This is the most disingenuous thing I've read all year.


pizzaaddict-plshelp

It has to be a joke. Unless snickboi happens to know when the next election for Supreme Court justices is?


pewpew30172

They're a fascist troll, look at their comments.


SnickBoi

Not disingenuous at all. Just happen to believe that accountable officials should make policy and base it on balancing of competing interests. Myopic ‘experts’ make bad policy. The ‘would be autocrats’ in the equation are the very ‘experts’ that some want to have control over us. To think moving that power back to elected officials is ‘autocratic’ is a special kind of double think.


pewpew30172

The fact that you're claiming this after today's ruling is fucking wild lmao


HAthrowaway50

this person has no idea what's going on


Shigeko_Kageyama

Uh-huh, and where do the lizard people factor in?


[deleted]

RBG also attacked colin kapernick for kneeling lol


Hausofsekom

Also her record with natives, fuck her.


Intergalactic_Ass

Don't think that's a hot take anymore. She fuckin sucks. Did more to harm abortion rights than help at this point.


Roboticpoultry

I completely agree with you. I meam just look at how fucked the court has become since. Hell, even setting Roe aside for a minute, look at the shit they’ve pulled in the last few days


ManfredTheCat

Exactly. The current list of dems too arrogant to leave power includes her. She's basically now mentioned in the same breath as Diane Feinstein. That's RBG's legacy, now.


frodeem

Been saying this for years now


Overall_Falcon_8526

Definitely not a hot take at this point. She fucked up big time.


HarpyTangelo

100% this. Same with Biden. They sullied their life's work because they couldn't bring themselves to pass the torch. And we're all left with the consequences. Legit her staying on the sc until she died under trump was probably worse for the nation than any other positive thing she's done.


TheGreekMachine

I would even been willing to give Biden grace on the 2020 election since clearly people wanted him. But it’s strange to me he (and his team) did not have someone waiting in the wings for this year’s election. Very disappointing.


ManfredTheCat

Exactly. The current list of dems too arrogant to leave power includes her. She's basically now mentioned in the same breath as Diane Feinstein. That's RBG's legacy, now.


Mr_Goonman

The California Democratic Party actually endorsed Feinstein's opponent after the jungle primary. She literally got reelected because Zoomers were too lazy to show up and vote but for some reason the myth that the Democratic Party elites wanted her to win wont die. https://rollcall.com/2018/07/15/california-democratic-party-endorses-dianne-feinstein-opponent-kevin-de-leon/


LhamoRinpoche

I think it might be Biden's.


I_Roll_Chicago

no this is an absolutely based take.


Bouncedoutnup

Came here to say this and glad to see I’m not the only one who thinks this way


homebrew_1

If more people voted for Hillary in certain states you wouldn't be saying this right now. But some people didn't like Hillary enough and now here we are.


jrbattin

She was diagnosed with cancer in 1999, it returned in 2009, and she had a "cardiac event" in 2014 that required a stent. Calls for her to retire actually go back to Obama's first term; she was in her late 70s, her husband passed away, and she herself was in poor health. She was a brilliant justice and an intellectual powerhouse. But she tempted fate and now here we are. Smart people make dumb decisions all the time and her decision not to retire during Obama's first or second term was one of those.


homebrew_1

And trump won in 2016 and appointed 2 Justices. It would still be 5-4 decisions like Roe getting overturned. Trump said he would appoint Justices to overturn Roe and he did.


jrbattin

The conservatives on the court have been significantly emboldened since the balance tilted from 5-4 to 6-3. The risk of trying to overturn Roe - and failing - would be too great in a 5-4 court.


homebrew_1

Hard to know. But we do know trump said he would appoint Justices to overturn Roe. He did, and they did.


homebrew_1

Hard to know. But we do know trump said he would appoint Justices to overturn Roe. He did, and they did.


TheGreekMachine

True. But it shouldn’t even had been an option. She should have been out of government by then. She was ancient when Hillary was running in 2016.


homebrew_1

Even if RGB retired earlier, trump would still get to appoint a couple Justices because people didn't like Hillary enough.


mockg

If she would have retired during Obama then her seat would have been filled by a democrat.


homebrew_1

And trump won in 2016 and would still appoint 2 Justices.


TheGreekMachine

Very true, but the balance of power in the court would not be as extremely imbalanced as it is right now now, which leads (imo) to worse more extreme decisions.


pjx1

Stop. If the DNC didn't cheat for her and let it just play out there would have been no issue. There were many who just were not going to vote for another Clinton. They ruined the democratic party.


homebrew_1

More people voted for Hillary than Bernie. Bernie also endorsed Hillary over Trump. But some people didn't like Hillary and now Roe is bye bye and Supreme Court is overturning other norms.


ryguy32789

No way in hell Bernie would have beat Trump


VatnikLobotomy

Not the Bernie talking points lol


optiplex9000

Bernie bros can't let 2016 go


Arael15th

Bernie Bros did show up for Clinton, though. This is a myth perpetuated by DNC lackeys to cover for the fact that their ordained candidate (Clinton) was so lazy and entitled that she didn't even bother going to Wisconsin.


pianotherms

I agree for the most part, though my only relevant anecdote I have is that someone I know went from Bernie Bro to full Qanon MAGA.


Arael15th

All the ones I know held their noses and voted for Clinton, but I know they were only a great majority and not an absolute one. Some people were understandably very bitter about Clinton, and by extension, bitter about establishment politics in general.


diamond_nipz

The DNC was even more flagrant with it 4 years later. Holier than thou boomer neoliberals would rather have Trump be president for life than see socialized medicine.


pjx1

We didn’t get here because of Trump and 2016. Everyone has got to stop saying that. We got here from decades of Republicans and Conservative Democrats playing the long game with Ronald Reagan laying down the foundation and framework. None of this happens in a vacuum.


ryguy32789

No way in hell Bernie would have beat Trump


NOLASLAW

I said this and I got yelled at by so many of my lib friends about how I was blaming RGB instead of everyone else I swear to god man all of my dumb lib friends going “BuT wE nEeD dEcOrUm!!!!!” is gonna be the reason we’re all about to get completely fist f—d


TrainingWoodpecker77

Hillary should have won. Had Russian bots, email crap and QAnon pizzagate nuts hadn’t surprised us, she would have.


TheGreekMachine

I mean sure, but those people all legally went to the polls, weren’t smart enough to not believe internet scams, and democrats/liberals didn’t care enough to show up to counteract them.


TrainingWoodpecker77

True, but don’t blame Ruth for that. Every liberal was caught unawares in 2016. It’s not our wheelhouse to cheat and be underhanded. We learned a valuable lesson.


TheGreekMachine

What was the cheating in 2016? Trump won fair and square. Liberals didn’t turn out for Hillary and moderates did not like the Clintons. RBG should have stepped down when Obama won since she was already very old and had already had a bout with cancer.


flightsonkites

Or maybe blame the DNC for shoving her ahead like she deserves it instead of listening to the polling that told them that she had problems in swing states. Remember when she thought she didn't need to visit places like Wisconsin and Michigan, voting records remember.


RegulatoryCapture

Hot take, but how about we blame the guy who appointed 3/6 of the conservative justices and who is currently running for president now? You’re welcome to not vote for RBG or HRC in the upcoming election…but maybe focus on the real threat here?


flightsonkites

I do, and I'll vote for a potato over ANY Republican. I also can revisit the fact that centrist and corporatist Dems continue to pigeon hole infinitely more capable and progressive candidates. Just look Hillary's stupid ass still harboring a grudge in going against Bowman. Straight Goldwater trash.


NOLASLAW

I said this and I got yelled at by so many of my lib friends about how I was blaming RGB instead of everyone else I swear to god man all of my dumb lib friends going “BuT wE nEeD dEcOrUm!!!!!” is gonna be the reason we’re all about to get completely fist f—d


Bagelsnlox

“He discovered America is what he did. He was a brave. Italian explorer. And in this house, Christopher Columbus is a hero. End of story.” — Tony Soprano


NobodyTellPoeDameron

"Dat bettah nawt be Christophah Columbus up dere!" --Paulie Walnuts


brownmouthwash

I thought that was Artie!


NobodyTellPoeDameron

You're right. Better get my latest re-watch going, I'm getting rusty! https://youtu.be/uY5tqtfnfzw?si=e5QWW6KSrXNIL1YA


BaseHitToLeft

After giving us the first two Harry Potter movies, now they throw him under the bus like this? Disgusting...


michael_p

AND HOME ALONE SMH


eamesa

And a pretty ok RENT


Darth-Ragnar

In this house Chris Columbus is a hero! End of story!


chadhindsley

This was personal T


TheGhostInAJar

Honor the person who threw us all under the bus cause she wouldn’t retire? Great…


tullyogallaghan

I'm ashamed to wear a shirt with her name on it now.


rawonionbreath

You sound like an idiot for buying it in the first place, if that’s how you’re feeling now.


Fabulous-Temporary65

Your reply makes zero sense.


rawonionbreath

If someone was bothered by her not retiring sooner just now, it makes no sense why they wouldn’t have been bothered by it in 2016 or whenever she became a political celebrity. A lot of people are sheepish idiots when it comes to political tropes.


Pxlfreaky

I’m not sure you’re getting the context here. I’m pretty sure the person didn’t mean “now” as in today because of the school naming.


sciolisticism

tbf, still better than Columbus. RBG did some momentus things, regardless of the fact that her final days were definitely marked by a damaging level of conceit.


bagelman4000

I mean being better than Columbus is probably a low bar 🤣


perfectviking

It’s basically the ground.


hotdog73839576293

Uhh Columbus did some pretty momentous things too, regardless of the fact he was a shitty person. Maybe just a bit more momentous than RBG.


thephilistine_

Well Hitler literally killed Hitler but we shouldn't go on idolizing that version of himself either


i_heart_pasta

“tbf, hitler did kill hitler”…that’s kinda funny to me.


HAthrowaway50

I think few people are actually aware of what a horrible person Columbus was. Even by the standards of his time.


sciolisticism

Yeah, I'm specifically agreeing with you. His whole "massive torture and super racism" thing is probably worse than RBG's hubris.


hotdog73839576293

Actually you’re not. Lol jfc


sciolisticism

Oh, I see, I misread you a bit. My mistake. Yeah, Columbus definitely did some pretty famous stuff and all. I suppose I'm making the contention that they don't balance out the whole torture bit as much as RBG's sins.


chillinwyd

They both were responsible for mistreatment of Native American lands too!


jabawockee

We’ll all see it reversed in our lifetime lol


i_heart_pasta

tO bE fAiR…name 3 momentus things she did…and no Google ya troll.


sciolisticism

Are you really arguing that Ruth Bader Ginsburg didn't accomplish anything important in her career? That's your position?


i_heart_pasta

I just want you to tell us 3 momentus things she did…you know, to be fair.


sciolisticism

So again, to be clear, you think that she didn't do momentous things? Because I'm not sure why I'm supposed to care about your pop quiz about it.


i_heart_pasta

We’re just being fair.


sciolisticism

But you didn't ask me to name a bunch of Columbus accomplishments. I thought we were being fair?


rawonionbreath

Not this stupid canard, again. Being responsible for her replacement wasn’t in her oath or job responsibilities?


poodle_Fart_Hostage

She was an arrogant, self aggrandizing idiot


rawonionbreath

Now what makes you say that, Ace?


poodle_Fart_Hostage

You know, aCe


rawonionbreath

Not really, I don’t. Can you explain it?


poodle_Fart_Hostage

Nah you know, Ace


rawonionbreath

She did nothing wrong so I don’t. Your inability to explain it is revealing.


poodle_Fart_Hostage

Shut up https://www.reddit.com/r/chicago/s/ZwmOU8VhsK


rawonionbreath

[No](https://www.reddit.com/r/chicago/s/QabSabFLYx)


petmoo23

You could do a lot worse, obviously, but in light of the Supreme Court activity this week and the role she played in the current court composition the timing seems a little bit ridiculous.


rawonionbreath

You realize these cases likely would have had the same outcome, right? You realize they’re 6-3 decisions, right?


pewpew30172

You realize it wouldn't be 6-3 if she had stepped down to preserve her legacy, right?


rawonionbreath

Oh really? How so? Please explain how Trump isn’t elected with her stepping down sooner.


pewpew30172

Trump may have been elected, but a 5-4 is sure as shit better than a 6-3. We would have one less Trump psycho as a judge and 5-4 SCOTUS spreads haven't historically dismantled (or set) precedent. Admire RBG all you want, she's a role model in every way except in her hubris which undid all of her accomplishments. Also - NEWS FLASH. Our incompetent octogenarian president is going to be the reason why Trump is elected again. Seems like there's a pattern of hubris and foot-shooting, no?


gothrus

They didn’t risk setting precedent on some of these when they had a 5-4 majority.


jubothecat

This week? They decided on the name months ago.


petmoo23

The Chicago Board of Education accepted the name change during its meeting Thursday, which is the reason this announcement came out last week.


Chicoutimi

Was there not a Chicagoan that was more deserving? Especially one of Italian descent?


chadhindsley

Plenty... But 2020s isn't about celebrating them


Tricky_Matter2123

The person who was too arrogant to retire when she should have and now we have a supreme court letting president's do whatever they want and telling the EPA they don't have the authority to protect the enviornment??? This is a terrible decision. There are many, many better options available.


IamTheEndOfReddit

Ego is like 99% of our problems. How about Fred Hampton Elementary?


chadhindsley

I'd be down for Dolly Parton elementary


agent_tater_twat

Heck yea!


SnickBoi

EPA doesn’t have the authority to legislate. Great decision. That worked out great. Thanks RBG!


rawonionbreath

Why “Thanks RBG?”


theseus1234

RBG could have retired under Obama but chose not to because she allegedly wanted Hillary to pick her replacement. But then Hillary lost and RBG died, allowing Trump to appoint her replacement who just struck down a core ruling responsible for most empowerment of any federal agency.


AbsoluteZeroUnit

> allowing Trump to appoint *her* replacement "her" replacement. Single. I grumble at her stubbornness leading to her seat getting flipped, but the specific ruling you're talking about, as well as nearly every other ruling discussed in these comments, came as a 6-3 decision. It would have been 5-4 otherwise. Rulings aren't lessened if more people vote against them. The effect would be the exact same.


SnickBoi

This. The Supreme Court reset the growing tyranny of unelected experts legislating as they’re not accountable to the people affected. The restored proper balance is more along the lines of expert advice / counsul to legislators who then enact laws reflecting the balanced best interests of their constituents. A messy but much better, more accountable, way to create law.


rawonionbreath

1. Being responsible for her replacement was never her responsibility or in her job description. It’s ultimately the responsibility of the voters, and they dropped the fucking ball . 2. The Republican Senate wasn’t going to allow a vote on her replacement regardless; and 3. These are 6-3 decisions. A vote from an Obama appointee wouldn’t have made a difference. I have to wonder how many people that buy into this trope were buying the coffee mugs and posting the dumb memes back in 2016.


jabawockee

1. We didn’t vote for the Supreme Court, she chose to hold on to power for her own ego, even though there was always a possibility she would die with a R president. 2. She could have retired before the Rs had a majority, 3. There now isn’t a chance that Dems will hold a majority in our lifetime because of her.


rawonionbreath

1. You realize you vote for the people that appoint the Supreme Court, right? 2. See original #1 again. 3. No.


Odlemart

> Being responsible for her replacement was never her responsibility or in her job description What a fucking dumb take. Like it or not, supreme court is a political entity. The Republicans know this and act accordingly. I wish we could get our heads out of our asses and do the same.


rawonionbreath

No one cared about a justice retiring until 2015. No one gave a rats ass about John Paul Stevens serving until he was 90. Her job was to be a judge and she did exactly that. The voters who are too stupid to know the difference are not going to get let off the hook.


Odlemart

No one cared about it justice retiring until it mattered. You are correct.  Yes the voters are also to blame. Ginsburg being wrong and voters being wrong are not mutually exclusive ...


hotdog73839576293

Appointing her replacement is not her responsibility no. Abdicating your position when you’re no longer fit to serve absolutely is though. How old was she? How many health issues did she have?


rawonionbreath

Was she ever not fit to serve? How many decisions did she miss? She was literally reviewing cases and drafting opinions through cancer treatment.


hotdog73839576293

Yes.


rawonionbreath

Care to provide any citation?


hotdog73839576293

She was in her 80s, battling cancer, and a skeksis


optiplex9000

Some people like the idea of being fucked by the long and dangerous dick of unregulated capitalism


rawonionbreath

But … why “thanks RBG?” You didn’t answer my question.


calculung

Yeah fuck her.


Familiar_Paramedic_2

Ah, yes. The judge who fucked us all due to her stubbornness.


poodle_Fart_Hostage

Always deeds of pandering, never action. We deserve all the garbage that happens to us


graygreen

Dumb move, and for many reasons


JamieHavs

Don't google RBG's George Floyd comments.


qtmcjingleshine

talk about bad timing


cbarrister

# Ruth Bader Ginsburg destroyed her own legacy.


anillop

Ah yes let’s rename it after the judge whose arrogance is responsible for the current makeup of the Supreme Court. She more than wiped out her legacy with that move.


Rugged_Turtle

Good god the virtue signaling in the city has gotten so out of hand


boastertath

I know we're busy hating on RBG, but what the fuck does renaming a school do anything for the kids there lmao


chadhindsley

It doesn't do anything. Just like renaming Lakeshore drive doesn't do anything. It's pandering and wasting money


PFflyer86

Dumb


LoCh0_xX

This is so funny


chadhindsley

Wonder if the school will now allow students to retake 5th grade as many times as they like, in case they don't feel like graduating and handing off their classrooms to a younger generation...


noble_plantman

Why not Jean baptiste point du sable elementary?


kwalshyall

Two people who both hated the absolute shit out of Native American Sovereignty


DontFuckGOPMen

RBG is a traitor that ruined our country for her own ego. Fuck that bitch.


jabawockee

At the very least, chris was consistent in his goal about finding the new world to exploit it. RBG allowed the conservative supermajority because she didn’t want to give up power a couple years too early. What a fraud RBG ended up being and what a terrible name for a school


Mitka69

[https://youtu.be/jBD61skoMk8?si=3l9wb7yan\_Y5BPVU](https://youtu.be/jBD61skoMk8?si=3l9wb7yan_Y5BPVU)


sylviaplath6667

RGB has arguably treated native americans worse than Christopher Columbus


chadhindsley

CMYK did wonders for printing though


Decent-Reception-232

I hate to break it to ya but there would still be a conservative majority even if rbg stepped down during Obama’s tenure


TrainingWoodpecker77

Fantastic and well deserved!


FocusPerspective

“RBG IS THE BEST HUMAN ALIVE AND ANHONE WHE THINKS DIFFERENT HATES WOMEN AND TRUTH!!!” —Social Media c. 2016 “RBG WAS AN EVIL WITCH AND ITS HER FAULT AMERICA DIED!!!” -Social Media c. 2024  Can’t wait to see what happens to Taylor Swift :) 


HAthrowaway50

the important thing is that you feel superior, m'redditor