I'm enjoying it too, but is it just me or is Hughie been completely reset back to his S1 patheticness? Like I get it, he's always been the butt of jokes, but his whole arc of being more capable despite being a fish out of water has seemed to take a nosedive.
Not to mention that I don't really care about his storyline right now. I think if somehow his dad were injured by Homelander or Vought as a reminder that they're vulnerable, maybe then I'd find it compelling. But I'm not really interested to hear his mom's excuses about why she's a shit mom.
Maybe we'll find out that his dad was harmed or something, considering her ties to vought. That could be a decent pay off.
I’m hoping it comes back around that way. I saw a theory that >!Vicky or Hughie’s Mom is using her powers or something else to put his dad into a coma, that would also be a great twist!<
Before his mom was shown on camera, I was 100% convinced that they were about to reveal Neuman there. I thought she had put his dad in a coma as retribution for the acid, etc., and was going to tell him that if he continued screwing with her she'd just kill everyone.
I'm of the mind that this whole thing with Hughie's mom is paving the way for Hughie to end up forgiving A-Train later in the season so they can work together better.
The Boys are the main problem with the show. Besides Butcher it seems to be an ongoing problem to involve the rest of the boys in the shows conflicts. The others just sort of goof off, with some obvious, short lived exceptions.
the part i found weird is The Boys exist to fight the supes, the supes seem to be more than aware of them, have no probs commiting murders and crime but dont do anything about The Boys and pretty much just seem to ignore them
Honestly yeah
It's like the whole "why wouldn't a random citizen or cop just shoot the Joker on sight"
Someone like S1/S2 A Train or the Deep are desperate to be in good graces and know all about the Boys, could easily just run by and punch em in the throat at the speed of sound, or hurl a piranha at their balls
Homelander has been inside Billy's apartment (or the Boys' hideout...either way a huge beach). Sure Homey and Billy may have a weird "1 v1 me on Rust bro, best man wins" accord but he could easily laser MM, Frenchie, Hughie etc at any moment.
Early on they had supers be blackmailed into not killing them which is fine.
But now it hinges on Homelander just saying "we'll duel at a specific time and place and until that day ur good Bruv".
Yeah, it makes no sense. Especially with Homelander going mask off there's no reason not to kill them, especially butcher since he holds sway over Ryan.
They have CIA backing, which might not cover them entirely from someone like Homelander but it definitely covers a lot of bases in terms of plot armor.
Homelander has an actual incentive to kill him too because it'd expose the senator lady I forgot the name of, there's literally no reason for him not to kill Hughie...
Quite the opposite he'd be stupid not to because doing it literally would accomplish what he wants.
>the plot feels a bit slow.
That's honestly a really generous way of putting it.
Like or dislike the satire, the show has stalled the plot in order to continue the satire and commentary it makes.
We're about half way through season *4*, and you can count on one hand the number of ways the show has progressed in terms of plot.
*edit: meant season 4, accidently wrote 3*
I don't think it's "in order to continue the satire". I think the writers legit couldn't fill in enough plot for a whole season's order of episodes. Maybe they didn't get enough time to work between seasons. The strike and all that. Maybe everyone involved has just checked out creatively and is already looking forward to other jobs. I dunno.
Should have reduced the number of eps in the season and pared it down to the non-filler.
I see alot of people say this, but I think Butcher dying and Homelander taking Ryan were pretty significant developments. The Boys also became aware of Neuman's secret, and Butcher's reckless decision making from last season led to the boys having less trust in him and ultimately deciding to kick him out.
The “satire” is so heavy handed and on the nose obvious that I don’t find it particularly funny or clever.
It really is just the writers taking all the crazy right wing talking points spewed out by politicians and right wing influencers and adding them to the script.
I don’t see the satire. Or the joke. Is the joke that what they’re saying is stupid as shit and they look stupid saying it? It’s even dumber that people listen to them? I know that. We all know that. What’s the joke?
I don't believe they are trying to subtly satirise much at the moment, they've tried that for three seasons and the dummies weren't getting it. So they are outright using the exact same language as real life (libtards, give money to "homelander" as the corrupt justice system is out to get him) The show is screaming "THESE ARE BAD THINGS, PLEASE DON'T THINK LIKE THIS".
They literally had Annie holding up "Jesus, Guns, Babies" and saying this is insane you can't believe this." and someone here on Reddit was asking what's wrong with that? Because they have that picture.
The Vought youtube channel was a fun parody of the nonsense Fox viewers say for so long, that I've lately been wondering if some people are wrongly seeing the joke comments and thinking 'damn right.'
Being subtle will only get you so far with audience members who lean fascist.
The fact that right wing morons didn't understand they were getting mocked back in S2 with Stormfront's: "they like what I have to say, they just don't like the word "nazi"" (along with pretty well everything else she ever said, the fact that she was *literally a nazi*, and the infamous scene of that guy getting radicalized and murdering an innocent store clerk) is a great indicator that they are legitimately just morons with negative media literacy
They make fun of a lot of pseudo-progressivism too but that also seems to fly over peoples heads...
I don't think it's right-wingers who are especially bad in regards to media literacy tbh I think it's people in general.
Particularly in the US there seems to be a big problem with media literacy and critical thinking, I dunno if Americans are never taught about this in school or something I remember when I was a kid at least we were taught about it in history class and about how it shaped history.
We had a bunch of lessons too where we were given documents on events and had to figure out the truth on our own by sifting through it and finding flaws and inconsistencies.
The way I think of it is, you write Star Wars - A New Hope and it's an uplifting story of the little guy fighting against the forces of evil and winning.
If half your audience finish watching and thinking "Man how cool is the Empire, powerful technology, white men running everything." then you as the author may feel perplexed at how many people missed the point of the story you were telling, and wonder, "I didn't think it was possible, but was I too subtle with how the bad guys are the bad guys?"
Have you seen Star Wars fans? Rooting for the Empire is indeed super popular. But while I get why having these people can be frustrating...there aren't that many of them. The vast majority of people making sigma Soldier Boy edits know the show hates him, they just don't care. That's what this conversation seems to miss so frequently. Right wingers are for the most part capable of telling they are being made fun of too, they just either don't care or actively enjoy it for some reason.
>Right wingers are for the most part capable of telling they are being made fun of too, they just either don't care or actively enjoy it for some reason.
I have never met or seen a right winger who doesn't get highly offended at being mocked at
Well I dunno, there may be nuance in there because for all of the right wing satire… some of those characters are actually correct with some if their claims / conspiracies so its not even reducing them to some stereotype… its somewhere in the middle.
That's been my problem since halfway through season 2.
I've said it other threads about this show, but the problem is this:
Homelander is effectively an "extinction-level" threat. Defeating him is the ONLY THING THAT MATTERS. So everything else that happens in the show just seems like a waste of time. Everything the characters do that makes defeating Homelander less-likely seems UNBELIEVABLY STUPID. Stupid to the point of being suicidal.
But defeating Homelander is obviously the climax of the show, so they have to milk it (pun intended).
I'm glad they are ending it after season 5, but it should end \*this\* season. And, in fact, if they had made it a 2 season show and skipped the filler crap, it would be a truly legendary show.
The thing is Homelander is a big threat but it's Vought that really is the threat. Take Homelander out and the Supes still continue to act like Supervillains. I think that's the problem.
One group thinks the show is about Homelander as the big bad. So it's been spinning wheels not accomplishing the goal of killing him.
But he actually isn't but there no face to identify with other then him.
Log of big stuff has happend, but the plot didn't move forward? What was the Soldier Boy arc and the temp V arc, the elections and even Ryan?
Yes it feels slow but the plot has absolutely moved.
Butcher is dying, Homelander is completely losing it and has taken over Vought, yes they still have no idea how to defeat Homelander, but the show is about more then only defeating Homelander.
The soldier boy arc was a whole season spent finding him, convincing him to kill homelander, and then killing soldier boy and setting themselves back to square one. That's what people mean when they say spinning wheels.
Remember how much time they wasted on Soldier Boy whom turned out to be completely inconsequential? Also, the gore scenes feel like they are being thrown in randomly at this point. I cant help but feel that the writers kinda lost where they were going along the way and turned the show into parody to make fun of trump and his magas.
Cancel culture, triggered, offended, etc.. They're the butt of their own jokes.
"But, it's different". No. No, it's not.
The left is the same way, but at least we are open about it and don't deny it. Sure, we'll cancel, boycott, etc. people and organizations that openly fight against the rights and freedoms of others. Yes, we get offended at things that were said and meant to be offensive (their entire reason for saying something was meant to come off as offensive, then they laugh that you took it the way they meant it). It's ok to be offended and react to things in a mature way. Welcome to the human race.
Let's not act like we're any better on the left. People like Lindsay Sterling had their careers legitimately threatened and major revenue streams closed after over-reacting Internet activists over supposed offenses. As a leftist, I can very confidently say Liberals and Democrats weaponize how soft they are against themselves very frequently.
Yup. We don't deny we have cancel culture, get triggered at things, are offended at things. We're not trying to say "The left does that, not us!". It is us. It's everyone. Sometimes, we fuck up and overreact. And we'll accept that and take our lickings.
There are very few people just now waking up to the joke, but reddit loves taking a handful of idiots and turning them into a major problem. In reality most people who don't like s4 have normal reasons for disliking itm
It makes it even more funny that it’s taken them this long to work it out. Every series they make it more and more obvious but it still goes over their heads.
Homelander lasering a face off and getting cheered by his red-hatted fans is an obvious play off Trump's "I could shoot someone on fifth Avenue and not lose any votes."
I had some guy arguing Blue Hawk was a morally good character he found he related with as… somebody in the coastguard. This was after he disabled somebody on screen. You’re in the Navy for guys who slip and die too much to be on Naval ships.
It’s fucking insane. The straw that broke the camel’s back was portraying a minority prominently as extremely capable and intelligent. That’s literally what finally got them to rage out.
Homelander calling people libtards and Sage telling him that he can’t handle her being smarter because she’s a black woman made people’s heads explode.
Also Firecracker’s entire existence and being a grifter character who actually admits the grift and says her base has meaningless lives.
The truth hurts.
They started using actual quotes and phrases that the far right uses. Example: “There used to be a war against Christmas”, “ They keep the children locked in the basement (of a building with no basement)”, “If they can do this to me, hey can do this to you”, etc. Honestly, the number of direct quotes or references to actual GOP talking points is hysterical.
Yes, this is it. Most people noticed the analogies of actual talking points but it went right over the heads of rightwingers. The 1-1 use of their phrases now makes them realize it.
This season is really playing into fringe right wing elements. There’s a new character called firecracker that is essentially satirizing Rush Limbaugh, who hosts a podcast about how the liberal media is using the lgbt movement to groom kids because they’re a bunch of pedophiles.
Rather it took them 30 years to realize the lyrics and sentiment they personally agree with was in direct conflict with the political cult they chose to identify with and their means of reconciliation was to abandon their beliefs, embrace their cult and blame the artist.
I think it's even dumber: that they did not even try to think about what they were listening to. It was just aggro noise for their aggro brains to bump to. And still didn't when they made those remarks. It's crystal clear what "these people ain't seen a brown-skinned man since their grandparents bought one" means.
My theory has always been that when they were edgy teens they were angry at mommy and daddy for not letting them get their way, and this was loud music from a guy who was pretty pissed off about something. They were never interested in what he was pissed off about, they just heard the words, "FUCK YOU, I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!" and figured it matched the same energy as their own temper tantrums.
Don't forget the Frenchie being "gay to pander" shit even though he's been bi the whole time. Also people being upset that him and Kimiko aren't a thing anymore even though S3 addressed how they're better off as friends/family.
My guess is because the subtlety, what little there was in earlier seasons, is completely gone now.
It is pretty heavy-handed this season, but then the type of people it's mocking are also incredibly heavy-handed with their viewpoints, so it's on point.
These same people weren't quite grasping that the show was ridiculing them, not supporting them, in earlier seasons so, out comes the sledgehammer to make it obvious. And the thing is, the show's not really over the top in that regard. A lot of it is very in line with the rhetoric in reality. I mean Firecracker alone is a stand-in for a number of alt-right personalities who act similarly and she's really not over the top in that regard.
Oh and then add the fact that a new, prominent character is a black woman who is super smart, intimidates everyone, including Homelander, and doesn't look like a model. I'm sure there's no correlation there...
There are things to legitimately criticize the show for, but this these review bombings are from the points above.
The Frenchie storyline and the Hughie’s dad storylines suck imo. The Homelander/son arc is kinda just meandering. Other than that, there’s been some decent stuff
The whole point of the story is stopping homelander, and we know it's not going to happen until season 5.
Now everyone is sick of wheel spinning until it actually starts happening.
While it's always fun to mock right wingers, hearing the same joke over and over jist gets boring. I get it, they get it, you've told that one before - can the show get moving again please?
Honestly feel like the social commentary is just a repeat which is usually fine but the story has been slow and some of the sets feel so low budget (like the riot was 10 people). I think the commentary in it's political plot is just flat.
Feel like they are filming it on a shoestring budget when it's meant to be the biggest Amazon show.
Frenchie kissed a boy, there's a black person, it's woke, Hollywood forcing an agenda, dei casting. this is lifted straight out of the majority of 1 stars.
I hate when media like this gets review bombed by racists/nazis/etc. When I actually have legit criticism I hold it in these circumstances because these dorks are so ridiculously shitty.
Ive had problems with the direction and “slowness” of this show the past two seasons, but I’ll go give this season a 5/5 just to spit on these assholes complaining it went “woke”.
Edit: grammar in the first sentence
> When I actually have legit criticism I hold it in these circumstances because these dorks are so ridiculously shitty.
It sucks, but this is really the best thing most people can do about it. Their *goal* is to stir up shit, to make every discussion and argument about the "culture war". They want *nothing more* than to get you to feel like you're being accused of being racist/phobic for having legitimate complaints. They want to continue to hide behind legitimate criticisms and to use people like you as human shields, to get the left and the middle to waste their time fighting each other (and hopefully radicalize a few folks along the way.)
I hate The Boys, personally. I really dislike its approach to the stories it's trying to tell, and I think there are way better superhero deconstructions out there. But like... It's just a show I don't like. It isn't that important. And I don't need to wade into the fight if it means I'm helping to participate in the agenda of people I fundamentally detest.
How have people only realized now that they were being made fun of? The Boys TV Show works as a mirror of the state of modern America. As our world has become more on the nose of the “true message”, so has The Boys. How have people not realized this?
The character Firecracker is officially inspired by MGT (A republican congressman) and they have Supes fighting the “woke agenda”. They are also claiming black superheroes who publically follow the patriot act that Vought has been running. Also demonizing traits of Homelander’s detractors. They also make the whole Starlight thing into a Sound of Freedom parody
At this point it's being so heavy handed that it's almost annoying that they have to try this hard for people to *finally* get it. They're not even the tiniest but subtle anymore, and they started pretty heavy out the gate.
I know the term media literacy is a big thing now, but that's it. There is a group of people who are unwilling/unable to understand anything beyond the literal face of a piece of art. The dumb kids from high school all grew up and they still don't know what metaphor, allusion, or allegory are, and they are posting about it online.
A working science fiction writer on Twitter said that Starship Troopers doesn't work as satire because the viewer needs to understand that each scene is saying the opposite of what's being depicted.
The same person also said that it doesn't work as a depiction of a fascist world because the fascists are all beautiful healthy young people, while the enemies are portrayed as inhuman monsters he can't sympathize with.
This is from an *author*, of works.
Didn't the chuds get mad in 2020 when they watched the season finale where the Nazis get their asses kicked? I distinctively remember they called it SJW for portraying a white supremacist literal nazi in a negative light.
Bad reviews from the usual movie critics back when the movie opened, or did people go and review bomb a 30 year old movie? Back then, you kind of knew where the movie critics were coming from, so reading their reviews had some value, even if you didn't agree with them, whereas review bombing has no meaning.
There’s a meme I saw once that shows everyone’s POV where a show is the best thing in the world if both the critics and audience like it but if the reviews are low clearly the audience review bombed
Audience Scores on RT are especially worthless lol.
My favorite example of this is an audience review of Venom that read "The first hour was pretty boring but the rest of it was fun. Fuck the critics 10/10"
Audience scores on Rotten Tomatoes are extremely hit or miss, especially when it comes to big IPs.
I generally agree with the critical score, but the problem is that a lot of people don’t understand what it actually means. A 96% on RT doesn’t mean the show is a 9.6/10, just that 96% of critics gave it a positive score
Reviews aren't critiques, they're giving their opinion on a film, and if you like them, and you have the same sort of likes and dislikes - then you have a good chance of enjoying the films they review as good.
Film critque is a deeper dive into the film and its themes and messaging.
A lot of critics provide summaries of their longer reviews and will often tweet whether or not they enjoyed a film/show. So even if you aren't looking to read anything in-depth, finding a few critics who have similar tastes will net you a good source of recommendations.
Just watch movies you want to watch or that people tell you are worth watching.
Going off the average star or percentage ratings for films is a really silly way to decide if a piece of art is worth experiencing.
Imagine avoiding a painting in a gallery in a gallery because it only got an average star rating of 3.5
I mean that's easy to say, but there's more content swirling around in the world today than any of us could watch in several lifetimes.
So having things like critics perspectives who you trust is certanily a viable and understandable way of sorting through the overwhelming amount of entertainment out there to focus on the ones you know you'll probably like the most.
Not necessary, of course. But useful.
It’s pretty reasonable to take RT seriously when you listen to the actual critics rating, not the audience one.
There have been enough good movies in the last 5 years that got bad reviews, and bad movies that got good reviews to prove that.
Hey guys, rotten tomatoes just aggregates the reviews of various critics and tells you "this percentage of critics said this about it" that's all it does. That is literally all it does.
I will freely admit that I'm not happy with season 4, but it is hardly for the same reasons the people who are writing reviews on it are unhappy. It's just... once you recognize the pattern you can't unsee it and realize how basically every show, every season of it is on the same tracks. And it simply cannot get off of them because the only way to change them would bring about the end of the show. Something that is 13 more episodes away.
The Boys drinking game
1. Hughie is in a situation too big for him and panics.
2. Homelander commits a random act of violence or terrifies someone with the threat of the same without saying it.
3. Frenchie does something stupid/self destructive with drugs.
4. Butcher is an asshole with a heart of gold.
5. Kimiko displays vulnerability (emotional) before extreme violence.
6. Something sexual happens that is shocking.
7. A-Train regrets the things he's done and the position he's in, and shows a chance of redemption before once again picking the path of least resistance.
This season will end right where it started. The Boys as the scrappy underdogs who have made no progress against Vought or Homelander, ready to do the next desperate thing to try something.
The only real change will be whether Ryan ends the season with his white hat on or his black hat. Since he's ping ponged between Homelander and Butcher at the ends of season 2, and 3.
I don't know, when it was there I was wondering what the "it" was going to be. After all, they were following a Supe into a private room at a public event. Something terrifyingly sexual was going to be going on behind that door. My response when it happened wasnn't horror, it wasn't shock, it was just... oh so that's what this seasons "can you believe how depraved this is/ can you believe they let us film this moment?" was.
I do think the show went downhill during season 3, I’ll be honest. Doesn’t have anything to do with its messaging. The first two seasons are peak TV in my book. Gen V was everything I wanted though. Haven’t had the chance to check out season 4, I usually wait til the season is over. Been watching bridgerton instead now that it’s all out
I agree with this 100%, and the season 3 finale was so bad and cowardly in my eyes (e.g. Butcher stops Homelander from getting murdered to save a superpowered kid who killed the love of his life, quite literally the opposite of what his character arc should be, but he's a fan favorite with millions of Amazon dollars at stake) that I haven't really felt compelled to start watching season 4 yet.
This feels like a Last Jedi situation for me where I dislike a work for entirely different reasons than all the culture war BS, and I don't want to be associated at all with the motivations of the latter.
Yeah last Jedi is a wonderful example! Cant stand the way the new trilogy was directed by two men with entirely different visions. A lot of people hate it for being “woke” or whatever, but I hate the movie because it felt like such an awkward turn from the previous movie with regards to many character arcs. Couple it with a finale where they try to course correct but fail, and that’s Star Wars baby
Still don't care for TLJ but overtime iv realized the true origin of most of the STs problems was at the start in TFA when they decided to go full nostalgia rehash. Just were never gonna get a really interesting new era out of that foundation.
Finn being totally sidelined and turned into a joke is all on TLJ and ROS tho. Best concept from TFA utterly wasted.
lol same, I don’t hate it for the culture war shit, it’s just not as good as it used to be. It has its moments still. I just want to see the resolution, and at this point I don’t think I’ll see it anytime soon. They are really stretching this shit out, and it’s showing. Even the satire (which I agree with politically) is just a bit uninspired now, it’s not satire if you’re just straight copying real life events imo, just seems lazy to me 🤷🏼♂️
> I do think the show went downhill during season 3, I’ll be honest. Doesn’t have anything to do with its messaging. The first two seasons are peak TV in my book.
Stormfront was a fantastic villain who stole every scene she was in, and Great Value Winter Soldier could never compare.
I just felt like his character went no where and did nothing. He was just a plot point that didn't actually plot. He could have been a magical desk plant and then show would have been the same
I like the actor, just feel like it was a wasted performance. The status quo went right back to what it was by the end of the season and it felt like a huge nothing burger.
Now that is a *girl power* scene which genuinely felt organic + badass. Seeing them jump the Nazi bitch was already incredibly satisfying, but their shit-talking made it even more fun & humorous.
This comic sucked, and the show outperformed anything the comic ever did. Anything good that comes from it is just gravy. It being in the zeitgeist helps get other unique comics adapted, so I’m good with anything that happens with it.
It recently clicked with me why S4 has been on the nose, it's because if they didn't make it that blindingly obvious then the people they are making fun of wouldn't get it. Same people who think Homelander is a good guy
Have you actually seen anyone say/post that homelander was the good guy? I keep seeing posts making fun of these people but I find it hard to believe they exist.
It’s kind of a straw man for people to make themselves feel smarter than or put their ideology over the other. I don’t think anyone who has watched the show thinks he is or has been a good guy.
The only people I’ve seen wear Homelander outfits in a non-ironic or non-Halloween costume senses were people who never saw the show and probably thought he was like a Captain America or something based on the uniform. They’ve no clue who he actually is.
There are no such people. But some people do need to berate others just to feel better, even if those others actually dont exist.
The show has always been political satire, though I think in earlier seasons it did a better job of highlighting the extremes on both sides on the spectrum. Now it seems to focus only on one.
I think S4 is the weakest. First 2 seasons were great, in S3 basically nothing happened that would further the plot significantly but I hoped it will get better. It was still fun but felt like a filler season. So far, after 4 episodes, it didn't get better in season 4. I skip Frenchie scenes not because they are about two dudes, but because I simply don't care at all, I don't watch the boys for some cheap relationship drama.
What happened so far in S4? A few "shock" moments that no longer really shock, a lot of much heavier handed political satire. The characters are not engaging anymore. Butcher is kind of out of it. Stan Edgar is gone. Queen Maeve is gone. Soldier Boy gone. Not saying they should all still be in it, but they were really engaging.
Frenche did nothing apart from wasting screen time for relationship drama out of nowhere. He has been split from Kimiko, making both much more uninteresting. Starlight is kind of doing nothing, Hughie is dealing with his dying father. Come on... why would I care about that when we had two great seasons of plot moving forward with interesting twists and development? Isn't this a show that started really great with figuring out how to kill Supes in interesting ways? How did it turn into CW-like relationship drama...
Funny how all the people that complain about 'cancel culture' are the same people that do shit like this. Conservatives seem to have no limit to their projection and hypocrisy.
Maybe we should stop caring about audience scores? By “We” I mean everyone else. I already don’t give a shit what your opinion is. I like the show, that’s good enough for me. If you hate it, don’t watch. So simple, yet so hard. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Don’t understand why people complain, it had action, was funny and took the piss at allot of shit. Had me almost every episode laugh out loud.
And yes i have the comics and read the comics of Ennis (fan since his Dicks work)
I haven't been enjoying this season as much as the last 3 tbh. A big problem is the pacing/flow, the way the plot progresses just seems kind of clunky. And I hate to say it but the political satire has been pretty bad. I'm a big fan of "show don't tell", and season 4 is all telling. From season 1 they've slowly gotten less subtle to the point that I'm expecting a sequence where Homelander breaks the 4th wall and explains to viewers that he's similar to Donald Trump.
I like it. It’s cool to see back stories on the boys. Sucks if you’re afraid of gays, but we’ve known Frenchie has been at least bi for years now. He mentions trans strippers early in season one. It also sucks if you’re a red pill idiot and are being made fun of. Home lander doesn’t want to just go ape shit and kill everyone. He loves being loved too much. If he slaughters everyone who’s left to love him?
What’s crazy about this is that the Boys isn’t even subtle satire. It’s legitimately some of the most straightforward allegories and observations a satire can have. The main villain has the fucking American flag as his cape! And the creators literally said Homelander was inspired by Trump.
My biggest complaint about the first three seasons was that it lacked a lot of subtlety. Don't get me wrong, I thought the satire was fairly well observed and funny, and I agreed with what it was saying, but it was pretty heavy handed, especially with its jokes.
But clearly it wasn't blatant enough for some people if it's taken four seasons for them to realise the bad guy is, in fact, a bad guy.
I've only ever seen value in user-review aggregrates when I agree with them anyway. They've always been open to weirdness.
The current spate of review-bombing is just showing them up as useless. I'd like to think places like Rottentomatos were trying to find a way to get over this for the sake of their reputation as being meaningful.
I've certainly seen iMDB reviews from years ago with obvious political/religious/whatever slants (which I guess is why their "is this useful" is important). Things is if you don't believe in the politics// you dismiss the review mentally. A number is just a number. I've always had a hatred for stars or marks out of ten for reviews because of this.
I don't think a show is going to suffer too much from review bombing.
I think the people these days get their impressions from their social media bubble. And no amount of review bombing is going to change that. If your circle agree with the review bombers, you're already getting bad feedback. If your circle disagrees, you're getting good (or honest about quality) feedback.
And a streaming show could get 1/10 on RT and the streamer's going to look at the streaming numbers.
If those numbers drop enough because of upset fans (which could happen) it's meaningful.
Netflix noticed an large drop in viewers when Frank killed the dog in the early moments of the first episode of House of Cards and told David Fincher (I think) and he told them "Never tell your creators anything like that again." But I bet they do. And I bet there are also a lot of makers who ask to be told.
People who spend the money for shows and movies aren't completely stupid. They can tell the difference between opinion forced on others and the general impression of fans.
Marvel is rethinking it's movie and TV plans. And I'd put money review-bombing doesn't come into it (hell, more news stories about the film/show). But when it's a real "the fans are just getting bored"/"the show's gone down hill" reaction, they're likely to act on it.
Basically:
Cultist: I luv that there “Boy” show, that Homelander dude is ***AWESOME***. By GAWD, we need someone like that here to put them Libruls in thur place!
(After five years realizing that Homelander is the bad guy and the entire show is making fun of him and people like him)
Cultist: (Sad Pikachu face)
Exactly how it is. Suddenly Rotten tomatos is bullshit and doesnt count. The same with Acolyte but imdb rating is 4.4 so it must be that imdb is also bullshit and doesnt count.
Still the best show on TV. The "Unhappy Fans" are just dumb right wingers that finally realize the show is making fun of them. Their stupidity never stops amazing me.
My only complaint at the moment is that the plot feels a bit slow.
I'm enjoying it too, but is it just me or is Hughie been completely reset back to his S1 patheticness? Like I get it, he's always been the butt of jokes, but his whole arc of being more capable despite being a fish out of water has seemed to take a nosedive.
He's also, just like, not really in it much. I bet his total screen time the first 3 eps is sub 10 mins
Not to mention that I don't really care about his storyline right now. I think if somehow his dad were injured by Homelander or Vought as a reminder that they're vulnerable, maybe then I'd find it compelling. But I'm not really interested to hear his mom's excuses about why she's a shit mom. Maybe we'll find out that his dad was harmed or something, considering her ties to vought. That could be a decent pay off.
I’m hoping it comes back around that way. I saw a theory that >!Vicky or Hughie’s Mom is using her powers or something else to put his dad into a coma, that would also be a great twist!<
Before his mom was shown on camera, I was 100% convinced that they were about to reveal Neuman there. I thought she had put his dad in a coma as retribution for the acid, etc., and was going to tell him that if he continued screwing with her she'd just kill everyone.
Yeah something like that would definitely give it the "oh shit" moment it needs to be relevant to the overall story
I'm of the mind that this whole thing with Hughie's mom is paving the way for Hughie to end up forgiving A-Train later in the season so they can work together better.
Yeah, seems like the situation with his Dad and Mom was used to reset him as an easy way to give him character development.
The Boys are the main problem with the show. Besides Butcher it seems to be an ongoing problem to involve the rest of the boys in the shows conflicts. The others just sort of goof off, with some obvious, short lived exceptions.
the part i found weird is The Boys exist to fight the supes, the supes seem to be more than aware of them, have no probs commiting murders and crime but dont do anything about The Boys and pretty much just seem to ignore them
Honestly yeah It's like the whole "why wouldn't a random citizen or cop just shoot the Joker on sight" Someone like S1/S2 A Train or the Deep are desperate to be in good graces and know all about the Boys, could easily just run by and punch em in the throat at the speed of sound, or hurl a piranha at their balls Homelander has been inside Billy's apartment (or the Boys' hideout...either way a huge beach). Sure Homey and Billy may have a weird "1 v1 me on Rust bro, best man wins" accord but he could easily laser MM, Frenchie, Hughie etc at any moment. Early on they had supers be blackmailed into not killing them which is fine. But now it hinges on Homelander just saying "we'll duel at a specific time and place and until that day ur good Bruv".
Yeah, it makes no sense. Especially with Homelander going mask off there's no reason not to kill them, especially butcher since he holds sway over Ryan.
They have CIA backing, which might not cover them entirely from someone like Homelander but it definitely covers a lot of bases in terms of plot armor.
Yeah homelander toying with Butcher makes some sense but the others, Hewie especially, would be long dead
>!I mean he almost killed Hewie last episode.!<
Homelander has an actual incentive to kill him too because it'd expose the senator lady I forgot the name of, there's literally no reason for him not to kill Hughie... Quite the opposite he'd be stupid not to because doing it literally would accomplish what he wants.
the villains have become way more interesting and the boys are either boring or getting no screen time
>the plot feels a bit slow. That's honestly a really generous way of putting it. Like or dislike the satire, the show has stalled the plot in order to continue the satire and commentary it makes. We're about half way through season *4*, and you can count on one hand the number of ways the show has progressed in terms of plot. *edit: meant season 4, accidently wrote 3*
I don't think it's "in order to continue the satire". I think the writers legit couldn't fill in enough plot for a whole season's order of episodes. Maybe they didn't get enough time to work between seasons. The strike and all that. Maybe everyone involved has just checked out creatively and is already looking forward to other jobs. I dunno. Should have reduced the number of eps in the season and pared it down to the non-filler.
Well, it didn’t really feel like a lot happened in season 3 either. Kinda ended with the same problems at the beginning
I see alot of people say this, but I think Butcher dying and Homelander taking Ryan were pretty significant developments. The Boys also became aware of Neuman's secret, and Butcher's reckless decision making from last season led to the boys having less trust in him and ultimately deciding to kick him out.
Im honestly surprised nothing from GenV has popped up yet. Maybe towards the end of the season they release Herovid?
The “satire” is so heavy handed and on the nose obvious that I don’t find it particularly funny or clever. It really is just the writers taking all the crazy right wing talking points spewed out by politicians and right wing influencers and adding them to the script. I don’t see the satire. Or the joke. Is the joke that what they’re saying is stupid as shit and they look stupid saying it? It’s even dumber that people listen to them? I know that. We all know that. What’s the joke?
I don't believe they are trying to subtly satirise much at the moment, they've tried that for three seasons and the dummies weren't getting it. So they are outright using the exact same language as real life (libtards, give money to "homelander" as the corrupt justice system is out to get him) The show is screaming "THESE ARE BAD THINGS, PLEASE DON'T THINK LIKE THIS". They literally had Annie holding up "Jesus, Guns, Babies" and saying this is insane you can't believe this." and someone here on Reddit was asking what's wrong with that? Because they have that picture. The Vought youtube channel was a fun parody of the nonsense Fox viewers say for so long, that I've lately been wondering if some people are wrongly seeing the joke comments and thinking 'damn right.' Being subtle will only get you so far with audience members who lean fascist.
The fact that right wing morons didn't understand they were getting mocked back in S2 with Stormfront's: "they like what I have to say, they just don't like the word "nazi"" (along with pretty well everything else she ever said, the fact that she was *literally a nazi*, and the infamous scene of that guy getting radicalized and murdering an innocent store clerk) is a great indicator that they are legitimately just morons with negative media literacy
They make fun of a lot of pseudo-progressivism too but that also seems to fly over peoples heads... I don't think it's right-wingers who are especially bad in regards to media literacy tbh I think it's people in general. Particularly in the US there seems to be a big problem with media literacy and critical thinking, I dunno if Americans are never taught about this in school or something I remember when I was a kid at least we were taught about it in history class and about how it shaped history. We had a bunch of lessons too where we were given documents on events and had to figure out the truth on our own by sifting through it and finding flaws and inconsistencies.
Who cares if some idiot fascists like the show too? No point in ruining it just to spite them.
The way I think of it is, you write Star Wars - A New Hope and it's an uplifting story of the little guy fighting against the forces of evil and winning. If half your audience finish watching and thinking "Man how cool is the Empire, powerful technology, white men running everything." then you as the author may feel perplexed at how many people missed the point of the story you were telling, and wonder, "I didn't think it was possible, but was I too subtle with how the bad guys are the bad guys?"
Have you seen Star Wars fans? Rooting for the Empire is indeed super popular. But while I get why having these people can be frustrating...there aren't that many of them. The vast majority of people making sigma Soldier Boy edits know the show hates him, they just don't care. That's what this conversation seems to miss so frequently. Right wingers are for the most part capable of telling they are being made fun of too, they just either don't care or actively enjoy it for some reason.
>Right wingers are for the most part capable of telling they are being made fun of too, they just either don't care or actively enjoy it for some reason. I have never met or seen a right winger who doesn't get highly offended at being mocked at
Well I dunno, there may be nuance in there because for all of the right wing satire… some of those characters are actually correct with some if their claims / conspiracies so its not even reducing them to some stereotype… its somewhere in the middle.
Bro this is season 4
That's been my problem since halfway through season 2. I've said it other threads about this show, but the problem is this: Homelander is effectively an "extinction-level" threat. Defeating him is the ONLY THING THAT MATTERS. So everything else that happens in the show just seems like a waste of time. Everything the characters do that makes defeating Homelander less-likely seems UNBELIEVABLY STUPID. Stupid to the point of being suicidal. But defeating Homelander is obviously the climax of the show, so they have to milk it (pun intended). I'm glad they are ending it after season 5, but it should end \*this\* season. And, in fact, if they had made it a 2 season show and skipped the filler crap, it would be a truly legendary show.
The thing is Homelander is a big threat but it's Vought that really is the threat. Take Homelander out and the Supes still continue to act like Supervillains. I think that's the problem. One group thinks the show is about Homelander as the big bad. So it's been spinning wheels not accomplishing the goal of killing him. But he actually isn't but there no face to identify with other then him.
Yup
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Log of big stuff has happend, but the plot didn't move forward? What was the Soldier Boy arc and the temp V arc, the elections and even Ryan? Yes it feels slow but the plot has absolutely moved. Butcher is dying, Homelander is completely losing it and has taken over Vought, yes they still have no idea how to defeat Homelander, but the show is about more then only defeating Homelander.
The soldier boy arc was a whole season spent finding him, convincing him to kill homelander, and then killing soldier boy and setting themselves back to square one. That's what people mean when they say spinning wheels.
Soldier boy isn't dead though??
Early season 4 of a streaming show does that. It shouldn't, but creators get too impressed by their own story-telling.
Plot? I can’t seem to find it because they have thrown so many new subplots at me in the second to last season.
Remember how much time they wasted on Soldier Boy whom turned out to be completely inconsequential? Also, the gore scenes feel like they are being thrown in randomly at this point. I cant help but feel that the writers kinda lost where they were going along the way and turned the show into parody to make fun of trump and his magas.
What are they unhappy about? The first 3 episodes were pretty good.
The people the show’s been spending three seasons mocking finally realized they were the butt of the joke, not the one telling it
Say what you will about the GOP, but if you openly criticize them , after three years they start to notice. Quick bunch.
3 years? The show’s been on for 5 yrs. Don’t give them the benefit of seasons they’ve been dumb forever.
All their brains suddenly stopped working in 2008. Weird
Thanks, Obama. Also, s/
FOX News didn't tell them the show was mocking the far right/Republicans, so they just didn't know how they are supposed to think and feel.
This. All day long.
Something was said. Not good. What was it? "DON'T YELL AT HOMER." Nooo.. that's okay. What was it? "Slow." THEY CALLED YOU SLOW!
“Homer, are you still here?!! GET OUT!!!”
For someone that complains about the other side cancel culture and hurt feeling they sure do like to embrace it.
Projection. All the way down.
Don't forget hypocrisy.
Cancel culture, triggered, offended, etc.. They're the butt of their own jokes. "But, it's different". No. No, it's not. The left is the same way, but at least we are open about it and don't deny it. Sure, we'll cancel, boycott, etc. people and organizations that openly fight against the rights and freedoms of others. Yes, we get offended at things that were said and meant to be offensive (their entire reason for saying something was meant to come off as offensive, then they laugh that you took it the way they meant it). It's ok to be offended and react to things in a mature way. Welcome to the human race.
Let's not act like we're any better on the left. People like Lindsay Sterling had their careers legitimately threatened and major revenue streams closed after over-reacting Internet activists over supposed offenses. As a leftist, I can very confidently say Liberals and Democrats weaponize how soft they are against themselves very frequently.
Yup. We don't deny we have cancel culture, get triggered at things, are offended at things. We're not trying to say "The left does that, not us!". It is us. It's everyone. Sometimes, we fuck up and overreact. And we'll accept that and take our lickings.
What happened with Lindsay Sterling?
is this really why? i keep looking for the rage for a laugh and i can’t find it
There are very few people just now waking up to the joke, but reddit loves taking a handful of idiots and turning them into a major problem. In reality most people who don't like s4 have normal reasons for disliking itm
It makes it even more funny that it’s taken them this long to work it out. Every series they make it more and more obvious but it still goes over their heads.
They learned it was satire and they were the butt of the jokes I am not kidding that's actually it
I'm confused, what did this season do to make that so clear compared to previous seasons? Like why did they only realize now and not before?
Homelander is now paying attention to the most intelligent person in the world... A black woman. Wish I was kidding.
Homelander lasering a face off and getting cheered by his red-hatted fans is an obvious play off Trump's "I could shoot someone on fifth Avenue and not lose any votes."
And yet that episode aired two years ago and they still didn’t get it till now
I had some guy arguing Blue Hawk was a morally good character he found he related with as… somebody in the coastguard. This was after he disabled somebody on screen. You’re in the Navy for guys who slip and die too much to be on Naval ships.
It’s fucking insane. The straw that broke the camel’s back was portraying a minority prominently as extremely capable and intelligent. That’s literally what finally got them to rage out.
Every season they doubled down on the satire , this season is really *really* on the nose.
Homelander calling people libtards and Sage telling him that he can’t handle her being smarter because she’s a black woman made people’s heads explode. Also Firecracker’s entire existence and being a grifter character who actually admits the grift and says her base has meaningless lives. The truth hurts.
They started using actual quotes and phrases that the far right uses. Example: “There used to be a war against Christmas”, “ They keep the children locked in the basement (of a building with no basement)”, “If they can do this to me, hey can do this to you”, etc. Honestly, the number of direct quotes or references to actual GOP talking points is hysterical.
Yes, this is it. Most people noticed the analogies of actual talking points but it went right over the heads of rightwingers. The 1-1 use of their phrases now makes them realize it.
This season is really playing into fringe right wing elements. There’s a new character called firecracker that is essentially satirizing Rush Limbaugh, who hosts a podcast about how the liberal media is using the lgbt movement to groom kids because they’re a bunch of pedophiles.
Satirizing MTG actually, she just parrots the Limbaugh radio show stuff
This was very a popular take last season, so it’s not people just realizing imo. Maybe remembering after a 2 year break idk
Its been happening since at least season 2 they’re too stupid to remember this show always made fun of them
I mean it took them 30 years to realize Rage Against the Machine was political so...
Rather after 30 years they think Rage just BECAME political. Lol.
Rather it took them 30 years to realize the lyrics and sentiment they personally agree with was in direct conflict with the political cult they chose to identify with and their means of reconciliation was to abandon their beliefs, embrace their cult and blame the artist.
I think it's even dumber: that they did not even try to think about what they were listening to. It was just aggro noise for their aggro brains to bump to. And still didn't when they made those remarks. It's crystal clear what "these people ain't seen a brown-skinned man since their grandparents bought one" means.
What exactly did they think the machine was, a vacuum cleaner?
My theory has always been that when they were edgy teens they were angry at mommy and daddy for not letting them get their way, and this was loud music from a guy who was pretty pissed off about something. They were never interested in what he was pissed off about, they just heard the words, "FUCK YOU, I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!" and figured it matched the same energy as their own temper tantrums.
Don't forget the Frenchie being "gay to pander" shit even though he's been bi the whole time. Also people being upset that him and Kimiko aren't a thing anymore even though S3 addressed how they're better off as friends/family.
My guess is because the subtlety, what little there was in earlier seasons, is completely gone now. It is pretty heavy-handed this season, but then the type of people it's mocking are also incredibly heavy-handed with their viewpoints, so it's on point. These same people weren't quite grasping that the show was ridiculing them, not supporting them, in earlier seasons so, out comes the sledgehammer to make it obvious. And the thing is, the show's not really over the top in that regard. A lot of it is very in line with the rhetoric in reality. I mean Firecracker alone is a stand-in for a number of alt-right personalities who act similarly and she's really not over the top in that regard. Oh and then add the fact that a new, prominent character is a black woman who is super smart, intimidates everyone, including Homelander, and doesn't look like a model. I'm sure there's no correlation there... There are things to legitimately criticize the show for, but this these review bombings are from the points above.
They just realized Homelander is not the good guy
The Frenchie storyline and the Hughie’s dad storylines suck imo. The Homelander/son arc is kinda just meandering. Other than that, there’s been some decent stuff
The whole point of the story is stopping homelander, and we know it's not going to happen until season 5. Now everyone is sick of wheel spinning until it actually starts happening. While it's always fun to mock right wingers, hearing the same joke over and over jist gets boring. I get it, they get it, you've told that one before - can the show get moving again please?
They think it’s become overly political and ripping on the right wing.
Honestly feel like the social commentary is just a repeat which is usually fine but the story has been slow and some of the sets feel so low budget (like the riot was 10 people). I think the commentary in it's political plot is just flat. Feel like they are filming it on a shoestring budget when it's meant to be the biggest Amazon show.
Frenchie kissed a boy, there's a black person, it's woke, Hollywood forcing an agenda, dei casting. this is lifted straight out of the majority of 1 stars.
It’s literally true. Go into the one star reviews and take a shot everytime they mention the word “woke.”
Seriously, though, don't actually do this. You could ingest a lethal amount of alcohol after only a few reviews.
Are you trying to kill people?!
I hate when media like this gets review bombed by racists/nazis/etc. When I actually have legit criticism I hold it in these circumstances because these dorks are so ridiculously shitty. Ive had problems with the direction and “slowness” of this show the past two seasons, but I’ll go give this season a 5/5 just to spit on these assholes complaining it went “woke”. Edit: grammar in the first sentence
> When I actually have legit criticism I hold it in these circumstances because these dorks are so ridiculously shitty. It sucks, but this is really the best thing most people can do about it. Their *goal* is to stir up shit, to make every discussion and argument about the "culture war". They want *nothing more* than to get you to feel like you're being accused of being racist/phobic for having legitimate complaints. They want to continue to hide behind legitimate criticisms and to use people like you as human shields, to get the left and the middle to waste their time fighting each other (and hopefully radicalize a few folks along the way.) I hate The Boys, personally. I really dislike its approach to the stories it's trying to tell, and I think there are way better superhero deconstructions out there. But like... It's just a show I don't like. It isn't that important. And I don't need to wade into the fight if it means I'm helping to participate in the agenda of people I fundamentally detest.
Are you crazy? You're giving them a death sentence!
How have people only realized now that they were being made fun of? The Boys TV Show works as a mirror of the state of modern America. As our world has become more on the nose of the “true message”, so has The Boys. How have people not realized this?
Last season was so on the nose. I haven’t watched season 4 yet but I didn’t realize they could make it *more obvious*.
The character Firecracker is officially inspired by MGT (A republican congressman) and they have Supes fighting the “woke agenda”. They are also claiming black superheroes who publically follow the patriot act that Vought has been running. Also demonizing traits of Homelander’s detractors. They also make the whole Starlight thing into a Sound of Freedom parody
At this point it's being so heavy handed that it's almost annoying that they have to try this hard for people to *finally* get it. They're not even the tiniest but subtle anymore, and they started pretty heavy out the gate.
I know the term media literacy is a big thing now, but that's it. There is a group of people who are unwilling/unable to understand anything beyond the literal face of a piece of art. The dumb kids from high school all grew up and they still don't know what metaphor, allusion, or allegory are, and they are posting about it online.
I miss when the internet was hard to use.
A working science fiction writer on Twitter said that Starship Troopers doesn't work as satire because the viewer needs to understand that each scene is saying the opposite of what's being depicted. The same person also said that it doesn't work as a depiction of a fascist world because the fascists are all beautiful healthy young people, while the enemies are portrayed as inhuman monsters he can't sympathize with. This is from an *author*, of works.
Oh come on it can’t be bad I’m sure-zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Have they… not seen the entire rest of the show?
Didn't the chuds get mad in 2020 when they watched the season finale where the Nazis get their asses kicked? I distinctively remember they called it SJW for portraying a white supremacist literal nazi in a negative light.
I honestly can't believe people ever took sites like RottenTomatoes seriously.
It’s an easy way to smuggle your subjective taste as fact. “This show is trash - it has a low score on rotten tomatoes”
Ever since Robinhood: Men in Tights was given poor reviews, I knew that I needed to make my own decision on what appeals to me.
Bad reviews from the usual movie critics back when the movie opened, or did people go and review bomb a 30 year old movie? Back then, you kind of knew where the movie critics were coming from, so reading their reviews had some value, even if you didn't agree with them, whereas review bombing has no meaning.
There’s a meme I saw once that shows everyone’s POV where a show is the best thing in the world if both the critics and audience like it but if the reviews are low clearly the audience review bombed
Audience Scores on RT are especially worthless lol. My favorite example of this is an audience review of Venom that read "The first hour was pretty boring but the rest of it was fun. Fuck the critics 10/10"
Audience scores on Rotten Tomatoes are extremely hit or miss, especially when it comes to big IPs. I generally agree with the critical score, but the problem is that a lot of people don’t understand what it actually means. A 96% on RT doesn’t mean the show is a 9.6/10, just that 96% of critics gave it a positive score
Are there any sites that you would recommend to get more accurate ratings in general? I often rely on RT and IMDB ratings
I’d suggest finding a critic or two you actually align with and just follow them.
I just casually enjoy movies so I'm not real big into critiquing. I either like it, meh, or hate it
Reviews aren't critiques, they're giving their opinion on a film, and if you like them, and you have the same sort of likes and dislikes - then you have a good chance of enjoying the films they review as good. Film critque is a deeper dive into the film and its themes and messaging.
A lot of critics provide summaries of their longer reviews and will often tweet whether or not they enjoyed a film/show. So even if you aren't looking to read anything in-depth, finding a few critics who have similar tastes will net you a good source of recommendations.
I like Letterboxd. But that’s partly because i can easily find friends and people i know reviews.
Never trust audience scores.
I find the decider's stream it or skip it has been pretty spot on for my interests. Obviously, YMMV.
Just curious, what do you mean by "accurate ratings"?
I guess if RT and IMDB aren't to really be trusted, is there another site out there to look up movie ratings that are more realistic
Just watch movies you want to watch or that people tell you are worth watching. Going off the average star or percentage ratings for films is a really silly way to decide if a piece of art is worth experiencing. Imagine avoiding a painting in a gallery in a gallery because it only got an average star rating of 3.5
I mean that's easy to say, but there's more content swirling around in the world today than any of us could watch in several lifetimes. So having things like critics perspectives who you trust is certanily a viable and understandable way of sorting through the overwhelming amount of entertainment out there to focus on the ones you know you'll probably like the most. Not necessary, of course. But useful.
Metacritic
It's fine as a reference but it's not a way to prove something is good or bad.
It’s pretty reasonable to take RT seriously when you listen to the actual critics rating, not the audience one. There have been enough good movies in the last 5 years that got bad reviews, and bad movies that got good reviews to prove that.
Hey guys, rotten tomatoes just aggregates the reviews of various critics and tells you "this percentage of critics said this about it" that's all it does. That is literally all it does.
I like it so far
I will freely admit that I'm not happy with season 4, but it is hardly for the same reasons the people who are writing reviews on it are unhappy. It's just... once you recognize the pattern you can't unsee it and realize how basically every show, every season of it is on the same tracks. And it simply cannot get off of them because the only way to change them would bring about the end of the show. Something that is 13 more episodes away. The Boys drinking game 1. Hughie is in a situation too big for him and panics. 2. Homelander commits a random act of violence or terrifies someone with the threat of the same without saying it. 3. Frenchie does something stupid/self destructive with drugs. 4. Butcher is an asshole with a heart of gold. 5. Kimiko displays vulnerability (emotional) before extreme violence. 6. Something sexual happens that is shocking. 7. A-Train regrets the things he's done and the position he's in, and shows a chance of redemption before once again picking the path of least resistance. This season will end right where it started. The Boys as the scrappy underdogs who have made no progress against Vought or Homelander, ready to do the next desperate thing to try something. The only real change will be whether Ryan ends the season with his white hat on or his black hat. Since he's ping ponged between Homelander and Butcher at the ends of season 2, and 3.
The season Finale will have a big action scene, then everyone will look at each other and say”Enough of that then“ then go home.
Season 4’s #6 really freaking shocked me though. I’m pretty useful to hang dong, but not…..well you know
I don't know, when it was there I was wondering what the "it" was going to be. After all, they were following a Supe into a private room at a public event. Something terrifyingly sexual was going to be going on behind that door. My response when it happened wasnn't horror, it wasn't shock, it was just... oh so that's what this seasons "can you believe how depraved this is/ can you believe they let us film this moment?" was.
Yeah it’s blatantly obvious if you go read user reviews lmao.
You think too many of those guys saw themselves as Splinter-adjacent until the sauna scene? 😂
“It’s not what it looks like!” Apparently that scene got censored in a few locations lol
For me it was after, not until
I do think the show went downhill during season 3, I’ll be honest. Doesn’t have anything to do with its messaging. The first two seasons are peak TV in my book. Gen V was everything I wanted though. Haven’t had the chance to check out season 4, I usually wait til the season is over. Been watching bridgerton instead now that it’s all out
GenV was WAY better than I expected a spin-off to be. Very excited for s2
Season 2 might have some issue because the actor that played Andre sadly passed away. *spelling
[Past away](https://youtu.be/8DdPvon5jIs?si=nSOsuAev9_2P45Jl)
I agree with this 100%, and the season 3 finale was so bad and cowardly in my eyes (e.g. Butcher stops Homelander from getting murdered to save a superpowered kid who killed the love of his life, quite literally the opposite of what his character arc should be, but he's a fan favorite with millions of Amazon dollars at stake) that I haven't really felt compelled to start watching season 4 yet. This feels like a Last Jedi situation for me where I dislike a work for entirely different reasons than all the culture war BS, and I don't want to be associated at all with the motivations of the latter.
Yeah last Jedi is a wonderful example! Cant stand the way the new trilogy was directed by two men with entirely different visions. A lot of people hate it for being “woke” or whatever, but I hate the movie because it felt like such an awkward turn from the previous movie with regards to many character arcs. Couple it with a finale where they try to course correct but fail, and that’s Star Wars baby
Still don't care for TLJ but overtime iv realized the true origin of most of the STs problems was at the start in TFA when they decided to go full nostalgia rehash. Just were never gonna get a really interesting new era out of that foundation. Finn being totally sidelined and turned into a joke is all on TLJ and ROS tho. Best concept from TFA utterly wasted.
lol same, I don’t hate it for the culture war shit, it’s just not as good as it used to be. It has its moments still. I just want to see the resolution, and at this point I don’t think I’ll see it anytime soon. They are really stretching this shit out, and it’s showing. Even the satire (which I agree with politically) is just a bit uninspired now, it’s not satire if you’re just straight copying real life events imo, just seems lazy to me 🤷🏼♂️
> I do think the show went downhill during season 3, I’ll be honest. Doesn’t have anything to do with its messaging. The first two seasons are peak TV in my book. Stormfront was a fantastic villain who stole every scene she was in, and Great Value Winter Soldier could never compare.
I just felt like his character went no where and did nothing. He was just a plot point that didn't actually plot. He could have been a magical desk plant and then show would have been the same I like the actor, just feel like it was a wasted performance. The status quo went right back to what it was by the end of the season and it felt like a huge nothing burger.
I think a part of me is still stuck back on the first time I heard Annie yell “eat my shit you Nazi bitch!” And kicked her in the ribs.
Now that is a *girl power* scene which genuinely felt organic + badass. Seeing them jump the Nazi bitch was already incredibly satisfying, but their shit-talking made it even more fun & humorous.
I didn't like the ending of season 3 because there was no consequences to no one. We used to fear Homelander.
personally I thought s2 was stagnant and s3 a 2nd peak, everything s3 was fantastic
This comic sucked, and the show outperformed anything the comic ever did. Anything good that comes from it is just gravy. It being in the zeitgeist helps get other unique comics adapted, so I’m good with anything that happens with it.
Aka 30+ year old virgins.
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What's wrong with being a virgin? Ah right, it's OK to body and sex shame people when we don't like them.
It recently clicked with me why S4 has been on the nose, it's because if they didn't make it that blindingly obvious then the people they are making fun of wouldn't get it. Same people who think Homelander is a good guy
Have you actually seen anyone say/post that homelander was the good guy? I keep seeing posts making fun of these people but I find it hard to believe they exist.
they don't. Some people misunderstood the metaphor a bit but no one thought homelander was the good guy
It’s kind of a straw man for people to make themselves feel smarter than or put their ideology over the other. I don’t think anyone who has watched the show thinks he is or has been a good guy. The only people I’ve seen wear Homelander outfits in a non-ironic or non-Halloween costume senses were people who never saw the show and probably thought he was like a Captain America or something based on the uniform. They’ve no clue who he actually is.
There are no such people. But some people do need to berate others just to feel better, even if those others actually dont exist. The show has always been political satire, though I think in earlier seasons it did a better job of highlighting the extremes on both sides on the spectrum. Now it seems to focus only on one. I think S4 is the weakest. First 2 seasons were great, in S3 basically nothing happened that would further the plot significantly but I hoped it will get better. It was still fun but felt like a filler season. So far, after 4 episodes, it didn't get better in season 4. I skip Frenchie scenes not because they are about two dudes, but because I simply don't care at all, I don't watch the boys for some cheap relationship drama. What happened so far in S4? A few "shock" moments that no longer really shock, a lot of much heavier handed political satire. The characters are not engaging anymore. Butcher is kind of out of it. Stan Edgar is gone. Queen Maeve is gone. Soldier Boy gone. Not saying they should all still be in it, but they were really engaging. Frenche did nothing apart from wasting screen time for relationship drama out of nowhere. He has been split from Kimiko, making both much more uninteresting. Starlight is kind of doing nothing, Hughie is dealing with his dying father. Come on... why would I care about that when we had two great seasons of plot moving forward with interesting twists and development? Isn't this a show that started really great with figuring out how to kill Supes in interesting ways? How did it turn into CW-like relationship drama...
The Right finally figuring out they're not the hero of the story is the funniest shit I've seen in some time.
Funny how all the people that complain about 'cancel culture' are the same people that do shit like this. Conservatives seem to have no limit to their projection and hypocrisy.
I enjoyed them !
I very much enjoyed it so far
Man the show is amazing. What the hell they can complaint about?!
Probably the same people who love Rorschoch
Exactly the same people that love Rorschach.
Maybe we should stop caring about audience scores? By “We” I mean everyone else. I already don’t give a shit what your opinion is. I like the show, that’s good enough for me. If you hate it, don’t watch. So simple, yet so hard. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Oh, no! Anyway ... They aren't fans, they're who the show made fun of for years. They're just too dumb to have caught on before now.
I watched the first episode last night. It seemed the exact same quality as the first three seasons.
"I liked the show better when it wasn't woke" lmao
They don't realize it was always this way from the beginning
Don’t understand why people complain, it had action, was funny and took the piss at allot of shit. Had me almost every episode laugh out loud. And yes i have the comics and read the comics of Ennis (fan since his Dicks work)
I have a feeling that, due to review bombing tactics, review sites will lose their credibility in the future.
I haven't been enjoying this season as much as the last 3 tbh. A big problem is the pacing/flow, the way the plot progresses just seems kind of clunky. And I hate to say it but the political satire has been pretty bad. I'm a big fan of "show don't tell", and season 4 is all telling. From season 1 they've slowly gotten less subtle to the point that I'm expecting a sequence where Homelander breaks the 4th wall and explains to viewers that he's similar to Donald Trump.
F it just ignore these weirdos and keep enjoying what ya enjoy.
I’ve only watched the first 2 episodes and it seems like it’s still on par with past seasons to me. I’m still digging it so far.
I like it. It’s cool to see back stories on the boys. Sucks if you’re afraid of gays, but we’ve known Frenchie has been at least bi for years now. He mentions trans strippers early in season one. It also sucks if you’re a red pill idiot and are being made fun of. Home lander doesn’t want to just go ape shit and kill everyone. He loves being loved too much. If he slaughters everyone who’s left to love him?
we're four seasons in I feel like we should be done backstories
They’re unhappy because they’ve finally realised, after 4 seasons, they’re the butt of the joke. They’re not a smart group
What’s crazy about this is that the Boys isn’t even subtle satire. It’s legitimately some of the most straightforward allegories and observations a satire can have. The main villain has the fucking American flag as his cape! And the creators literally said Homelander was inspired by Trump.
My biggest complaint about the first three seasons was that it lacked a lot of subtlety. Don't get me wrong, I thought the satire was fairly well observed and funny, and I agreed with what it was saying, but it was pretty heavy handed, especially with its jokes. But clearly it wasn't blatant enough for some people if it's taken four seasons for them to realise the bad guy is, in fact, a bad guy.
I've only ever seen value in user-review aggregrates when I agree with them anyway. They've always been open to weirdness. The current spate of review-bombing is just showing them up as useless. I'd like to think places like Rottentomatos were trying to find a way to get over this for the sake of their reputation as being meaningful. I've certainly seen iMDB reviews from years ago with obvious political/religious/whatever slants (which I guess is why their "is this useful" is important). Things is if you don't believe in the politics// you dismiss the review mentally. A number is just a number. I've always had a hatred for stars or marks out of ten for reviews because of this. I don't think a show is going to suffer too much from review bombing. I think the people these days get their impressions from their social media bubble. And no amount of review bombing is going to change that. If your circle agree with the review bombers, you're already getting bad feedback. If your circle disagrees, you're getting good (or honest about quality) feedback. And a streaming show could get 1/10 on RT and the streamer's going to look at the streaming numbers. If those numbers drop enough because of upset fans (which could happen) it's meaningful. Netflix noticed an large drop in viewers when Frank killed the dog in the early moments of the first episode of House of Cards and told David Fincher (I think) and he told them "Never tell your creators anything like that again." But I bet they do. And I bet there are also a lot of makers who ask to be told. People who spend the money for shows and movies aren't completely stupid. They can tell the difference between opinion forced on others and the general impression of fans. Marvel is rethinking it's movie and TV plans. And I'd put money review-bombing doesn't come into it (hell, more news stories about the film/show). But when it's a real "the fans are just getting bored"/"the show's gone down hill" reaction, they're likely to act on it.
Do reviews matter? Aren’t we all supposed to watch the thing and make up our own minds?
Always happens when a showrunner goes out of their way to do more than they have to do. Why stoke the fire, make the show and move on.
Review bombing? How about it just sucks compared to the last 3 seasons. It's a clear quality drop off.
leaving a bad review if you don't like something is sort of what reviews are for....
Who wrote this article saying the show has been treading water? It’s been one of the best shows on tv consistently imho
They never noticed before that The Boys mocked racism, fascism, sexism, capitalism, bigotry etc. until this season.
If the show were good enough there would be plenty of positive reviews to counter the bad ones.
Basically: Cultist: I luv that there “Boy” show, that Homelander dude is ***AWESOME***. By GAWD, we need someone like that here to put them Libruls in thur place! (After five years realizing that Homelander is the bad guy and the entire show is making fun of him and people like him) Cultist: (Sad Pikachu face)
So all the 1's are review bombing but all the 10's are totally legit?
Exactly how it is. Suddenly Rotten tomatos is bullshit and doesnt count. The same with Acolyte but imdb rating is 4.4 so it must be that imdb is also bullshit and doesnt count.
Still the best show on TV. The "Unhappy Fans" are just dumb right wingers that finally realize the show is making fun of them. Their stupidity never stops amazing me.