This. I’m a trooper. I don’t let my guns sit anywhere unless it’s on me or in the safe locked up. Even after becoming a father I don’t carry off duty. The risk outweighs the rewards.
Yeah, I've never carried my gun off duty. During duty hours it's on my person. After duty hours it's locked up in a safe. Those are the only two options.
My kids know I carry a gun and I have taught them how to be safe around guns but they will never have the opportunity to be around a weapon unsupervised as long as they are living in my home.
When I lived in Europe the gun control laws were ideal IMO.
In order to be licensed to have a firearm you had to be at least 18, attend a shooting course and obtain a certificate showing that you can use a firearm safely, can't have a criminal record, can't have a history of mental illness, and can't have a history of being addicted to any substance. Family members living in the house also had to pass a screening.
So one article says the the Chief was interviewed and said "there was no policy or law violation here", I can think of a few. Laws regarding leaving a child with access to a loaded weapon vary significantly depending on the jurisdiction, but there are several general legal principles and regulations that often apply:
1. **Child Endangerment Laws**: Many jurisdictions have laws specifically addressing child endangerment. Leaving a loaded firearm accessible to a child could fall under these statutes if it is considered to place the child at risk of harm.
2. **Safe Storage Laws**: Some states have laws that require firearms to be stored securely, which often includes keeping them locked away or in a manner that children cannot access them.
3. **Negligence and Recklessness**: Leaving a loaded firearm within easy reach of a child could be considered negligent or reckless behavior, depending on the circumstances.
4. **Criminal Liability**: In cases where a child gains access to a loaded firearm and uses it to harm themselves or others, the adult responsible for leaving the firearm accessible could face criminal charges such as manslaughter, child endangerment, or similar offenses.
5. **Civil Liability**: Beyond criminal charges, there may also be civil liability if harm results from a child accessing a loaded firearm that was negligently stored or left accessible.
6. **State and Local Regulations**: Laws can vary widely from state to state and sometimes even within municipalities, so it's crucial to be aware of local regulations and ordinances regarding firearms and child safety.
The point is that even if you're 99.99% perfect in securing your weapon responsibly, it just takes that one time to kill a child. No one is 100%. Mistakes happen. But mistakes with a deadly weapon cannot be allowed to happen. Sure, be pissed at the officer who left his gun with the kids. But mixing humans and guns the way we do in the US *will* result in things like this, so don't act all indignant when something like this happens.
I believe in carrying - which is a separate issue from your specific case. I think I would call the police department & lodge a complaint. I have higher expectations from those who carry.
> Most all of these parents are extremely conservative, gun toting, law abiding (lol) "Americans", and they were fucking pissed at this officer. They wanted to make sure he or his kid never stepped foot inside the building again.
It doesn't sound like any minds were changed though. This feels like your typical "blame the person not the weapon" stuff.
No, minds were not changed, they never will be. But the truth came out, and when it involved them, they cared. So long as it doesn't happen to them again, they will never care for those 15 minutes again.
Any of you downvoting me on this willing to actually have a conversation about it, or are you just firmly in the "lalalalala I'm not listening to you" party?
Last year, guns surpassed car accidents as the number one killer of children. Seems like a fair topic of discussion for a group of dads who care about their children.
Trust me bro.....
https://www.wwltv.com/video/news/local/st-charles/st-charles-sheriffs-deputys-son-shoots-gun-outside-luling-daycare-center/289-5bdff75f-5f2f-46c3-9029-ad5abba1761a
I wonder what would happen to me if I left two children in a running car with a loaded gun
As a police officer who supports stricter gun control laws, this guy sounds like a fucking idiot.
This. I’m a trooper. I don’t let my guns sit anywhere unless it’s on me or in the safe locked up. Even after becoming a father I don’t carry off duty. The risk outweighs the rewards.
Yeah, I've never carried my gun off duty. During duty hours it's on my person. After duty hours it's locked up in a safe. Those are the only two options. My kids know I carry a gun and I have taught them how to be safe around guns but they will never have the opportunity to be around a weapon unsupervised as long as they are living in my home.
Can I ask? Coming from LE, What sorts of sticker gun control would you like to see?
When I lived in Europe the gun control laws were ideal IMO. In order to be licensed to have a firearm you had to be at least 18, attend a shooting course and obtain a certificate showing that you can use a firearm safely, can't have a criminal record, can't have a history of mental illness, and can't have a history of being addicted to any substance. Family members living in the house also had to pass a screening.
So one article says the the Chief was interviewed and said "there was no policy or law violation here", I can think of a few. Laws regarding leaving a child with access to a loaded weapon vary significantly depending on the jurisdiction, but there are several general legal principles and regulations that often apply: 1. **Child Endangerment Laws**: Many jurisdictions have laws specifically addressing child endangerment. Leaving a loaded firearm accessible to a child could fall under these statutes if it is considered to place the child at risk of harm. 2. **Safe Storage Laws**: Some states have laws that require firearms to be stored securely, which often includes keeping them locked away or in a manner that children cannot access them. 3. **Negligence and Recklessness**: Leaving a loaded firearm within easy reach of a child could be considered negligent or reckless behavior, depending on the circumstances. 4. **Criminal Liability**: In cases where a child gains access to a loaded firearm and uses it to harm themselves or others, the adult responsible for leaving the firearm accessible could face criminal charges such as manslaughter, child endangerment, or similar offenses. 5. **Civil Liability**: Beyond criminal charges, there may also be civil liability if harm results from a child accessing a loaded firearm that was negligently stored or left accessible. 6. **State and Local Regulations**: Laws can vary widely from state to state and sometimes even within municipalities, so it's crucial to be aware of local regulations and ordinances regarding firearms and child safety.
Some people will hit themselves in the face with a brick, and immediately look for the first person to blame aside from themselves.
The correct answers are secure it in the car or on your person. Leaving it where it can accessed is the problem. I would be pissed about that too.
The point is that even if you're 99.99% perfect in securing your weapon responsibly, it just takes that one time to kill a child. No one is 100%. Mistakes happen. But mistakes with a deadly weapon cannot be allowed to happen. Sure, be pissed at the officer who left his gun with the kids. But mixing humans and guns the way we do in the US *will* result in things like this, so don't act all indignant when something like this happens.
Thanks for sharing
I believe in carrying - which is a separate issue from your specific case. I think I would call the police department & lodge a complaint. I have higher expectations from those who carry.
> Most all of these parents are extremely conservative, gun toting, law abiding (lol) "Americans", and they were fucking pissed at this officer. They wanted to make sure he or his kid never stepped foot inside the building again. It doesn't sound like any minds were changed though. This feels like your typical "blame the person not the weapon" stuff.
No, minds were not changed, they never will be. But the truth came out, and when it involved them, they cared. So long as it doesn't happen to them again, they will never care for those 15 minutes again.
Any of you downvoting me on this willing to actually have a conversation about it, or are you just firmly in the "lalalalala I'm not listening to you" party?
Can we quit having these emotionally charged political conversations about guns on this sub? This isn't the place.
It's never "the right time" to talk about gun control with 2A absolutists.🙄
Last year, guns surpassed car accidents as the number one killer of children. Seems like a fair topic of discussion for a group of dads who care about their children.
It didn't actually though. Those numbers included 18-19 year olds, and they didn't look at causes of death for kids under 1.
Fair enough. For the first time in any demographic. I don’t want my kid dying from a gun at any age.
Any source data for this event? Or is this one of those trust me bro times?
Trust me bro..... https://www.wwltv.com/video/news/local/st-charles/st-charles-sheriffs-deputys-son-shoots-gun-outside-luling-daycare-center/289-5bdff75f-5f2f-46c3-9029-ad5abba1761a