It was always a good weapon and now it is actually stronger I would argue.
Thos this is in patrol on lost sector boss ( also recombination goes brrrrr ) so no wonder it one hit him.
I feel like it’s weaker now since we have so many strong options in the kinetic slot. Way back then nothing could top it, fusions were locked to energy, most breech loaders back then were not as good and not as common. (The only kinetic breech I remember was from lake of shadows and that shit wouldn’t drop.)
My comment was on it being "stronger" now than it was. ( other weapons getting better does not effect that statement )
If we are talking about other options even back then there were better options for Special weapons ( unless we are counting lunafaction/rally barricade shenanigans )
Oh Luna wells and rally barricades, I remember them well. No team experience was complete without the final mag (+reserves) dump unleashed on the poor boss, whilst sitting in complete safety thanks to the Well of Radiance. A simpler time; a different time.
Us having more diverse options does not necessarily make mountaintop a weaker option. It just means you have other options for your kinetic slot. In comparison to its older version (in PvE atleast) it is undoubtedly much stronger.
Well the really wild thing is - mountaintop is objectively stronger than it used to be. But power creep has gone so crazy since mtop was on top, that for the kinetic slot, it's only really top 3ish.
It's strong but balanced in the current sandbox. Attunement can get the role you want but unless you play constantly you have to make a choice about what weapon you want.
I'm torn between elsies rifle and succession because I haven't even unlocked hammerhead or hung jury yet and have limited play time.
So yeah I want to attune mt top but I have an OK roll rn and have to settle for another gun 😭
Yes the 4th one ( bottom right selected ) basically on any kill that is not the weapon itself it grants you stack each stack is 10% damage increase for the next shot. ( consuming all stacks )
at 10x it is 100% and if you get enhanced version ( which you can in TFS for MT it is 100% at 8 stacks and maximum is 8 )
It used to be better in Crucible (where it one-shot with very high grenade velocity), but it's probably better as PvE gun on its own nowadays.
By that I mean: the gun has actual traits on top of its micro-missile nature, meaning it is stronger as a firearm in its own right. Mountaintop used to be overpowered in the past, due to it abusing the original version of the Warlock exotic "Lunafaction Boots." Lunafactions Boots used to automatically reload all your weapons every couple ticks, meaning that the single-shot nature of grenade launchers was completely mitigated and it was a Boss-DPS king.
That doesn't exist anymore, but now the gun has really good traits to make up for lack of synergy. Recombination specifically is what I'm hunting for.
Thanks for the breakdown. I was lucky to get this. I had just completed the quest for both forbearance and mountain top and when I turned them in I got the set roll for each after focusing them. I grabbed the reputation engram right after and it gave me this.
Eh, I switched to auto loading holster as I thought it wouldn't proc too much as I would save it for the tougher enemies. But maybe I should try it out.
Basically the schtick is to get 10 kills to max Recomb, swap to it, Recomb shot to nuke something, switch back, repeat without needing to reload the Mtop. You can even save it for shenanigans with a Bait and Switch heavy- charge Recomb, boss becomes vulnerable, shoot with the Primary, Recomb, unload BnS Heavy, repeat. If the Heavy has ALH or Envious too you never need to reload any of your weapons besides your primary.
If just do the primary-Mtop swap for Champs and other beefy targets.
I like auto loading holster as a perk, but most of the time I end up not using it because reloading weapons (especially breech loader gls) hits a certain switch in my brain.
I like ambitious assassin as a perk, but most of the time I end up not using because *not* reloading certain weapons hits a certain switch in my brain.
Ambitious assassin Recombination is actually a roll im interested in, cause you get the recomb shot (200% dmg) + an unupgraded shot (100% dmg) so in high difficulty content you get a SUPER NUKE as opposed to a regular nuke of (200% dmg)
Reminds me of that interview where the dude is like "do you think abortion should be legal?"
Girl responds "definitely, I sometimes wish I was aborted."
I mean it's literaly a 6/5 shiny roll, reload MW is technically not better than handling, but who cares. Implosion + confined is the highest dmg possible on MT and sticky is used for movement tech. You'd be hard-pressed to find a better roll if you tried
Basically, since you can now 'rocket-jump' with MT, using sticky nades you can hit yourself with up to 7 or 8 grenades at the same time, which launches you at speeds rivaling eager edge skating (without needing heavy ammo or shatterdive/well), both vertically and/or horizontally.
Here's a [clip](https://youtu.be/-QywHLoX3r8) that shows it off pretty well!
This was done using the sunset mountaintop, once that gets un-sunset it's probably going to get stealth nerfed a bit, but the interaction will still be there ofc.
What made it good was the autoloading from Luna factions wells and rally barricades, if that was still in the game the new version would be the superior one
What they're referring to here is the fact that Rally Barricades and Lunafactin Boot Rifts/Wells *reloaded for you*. So the DPS meta was literally just combine Barricades/Lunas and shoot Mountaintop because you straight up did not have to reload.
Now Rally Barricade and Luna Boots only buff reload speed, instead of removing your need to manually reload.
That’s always a good option for damage number testing, but even a strike boss from some of the recently added strikes like hypernet current or a boss from coil or rivens lair would work for seeing how much that type of weapon does against non endgame bosses that still have a health pool that can’t be deleted with primary
I always test things in nightfalls master/GM, the first part always has enemies, any weapon used below master is "OP"
There's the first checkpoint in breakneck story mission on legend too
That's a normal lost sector with a full 10 stacks of recombination.
I'm not impressed nor surprised you killed him in 1-shot. Everything dies in 1-shot in normal lost sectors
People forget that mountaintop was the top dps weapon in the game because of lunafaction wells. You just drop anarchy mines on the boss and spam your full auto mountaintop. It made gahlran a meme
In general combat Mt top is nice. Up to level 30 in onslaught Mt top is nice.
Any end game utility will be based on other weapons and build craft perks like recomb or bait n switch.
The hard part about the first Mt top was getting gl kills in crucible. So Lotta people ran 3x gl just to rack up points. It was messy and it took a while but worth it. All the pursuit weapons or whatever they called them were wildly OP like wendigo or recluse but you had to go through the steps to get them.
This is a lost sector boss
Of course its easy
Mountaintop used to deal more damage
And used to be perfectly accurate in air
They changed it to be ridiculously inaccurate in air
And reduced the damage in pvp
This was to make it not so good even after sunsetting
That way people wouldnt be able to use it
So it does less damage
And they removed the in air accuracy
So now its terrible in air
Not to mention you'd stand in a Luna faction, rally barricade and spam fire mountain top without having to reload before. I think for that reason it was way stronger.
Mate this is in a standard LS lol
If anything Mountaintop is massively weaker than back in the day due to the power creep.
If this makes sense, they massively buffed it but is still massively weaker than it was comparatively to when it was a dictation of whether or not you'd be kicked from LFGs lol
It was always a good weapon and now it is actually stronger I would argue. Thos this is in patrol on lost sector boss ( also recombination goes brrrrr ) so no wonder it one hit him.
I feel like it’s weaker now since we have so many strong options in the kinetic slot. Way back then nothing could top it, fusions were locked to energy, most breech loaders back then were not as good and not as common. (The only kinetic breech I remember was from lake of shadows and that shit wouldn’t drop.)
My comment was on it being "stronger" now than it was. ( other weapons getting better does not effect that statement ) If we are talking about other options even back then there were better options for Special weapons ( unless we are counting lunafaction/rally barricade shenanigans )
Oh Luna wells and rally barricades, I remember them well. No team experience was complete without the final mag (+reserves) dump unleashed on the poor boss, whilst sitting in complete safety thanks to the Well of Radiance. A simpler time; a different time.
Us having more diverse options does not necessarily make mountaintop a weaker option. It just means you have other options for your kinetic slot. In comparison to its older version (in PvE atleast) it is undoubtedly much stronger.
Well the really wild thing is - mountaintop is objectively stronger than it used to be. But power creep has gone so crazy since mtop was on top, that for the kinetic slot, it's only really top 3ish.
Yeah we've definitely power crept the original version FAR AND BEYOND. Frankly, that's a good thing, because it gives us more options for fun gearsets
It's strong but balanced in the current sandbox. Attunement can get the role you want but unless you play constantly you have to make a choice about what weapon you want. I'm torn between elsies rifle and succession because I haven't even unlocked hammerhead or hung jury yet and have limited play time. So yeah I want to attune mt top but I have an OK roll rn and have to settle for another gun 😭
Which perk IS IT the forth one ?
Yes the 4th one ( bottom right selected ) basically on any kill that is not the weapon itself it grants you stack each stack is 10% damage increase for the next shot. ( consuming all stacks ) at 10x it is 100% and if you get enhanced version ( which you can in TFS for MT it is 100% at 8 stacks and maximum is 8 )
Wow OK thank you for the explanation gonna keep an eye Out for a Roll
It used to be better in Crucible (where it one-shot with very high grenade velocity), but it's probably better as PvE gun on its own nowadays. By that I mean: the gun has actual traits on top of its micro-missile nature, meaning it is stronger as a firearm in its own right. Mountaintop used to be overpowered in the past, due to it abusing the original version of the Warlock exotic "Lunafaction Boots." Lunafactions Boots used to automatically reload all your weapons every couple ticks, meaning that the single-shot nature of grenade launchers was completely mitigated and it was a Boss-DPS king. That doesn't exist anymore, but now the gun has really good traits to make up for lack of synergy. Recombination specifically is what I'm hunting for.
Thanks for the breakdown. I was lucky to get this. I had just completed the quest for both forbearance and mountain top and when I turned them in I got the set roll for each after focusing them. I grabbed the reputation engram right after and it gave me this.
Make sure you say your prayers to RNGesus today, cause there are people desperately farming for the roll you have.
I fully understand how lucky I was. Bungie likes rewarding players when they take breaks and come back.
Choosing ambitious assassin over auto loading for a recombination roll is dastardly work
Eh, I switched to auto loading holster as I thought it wouldn't proc too much as I would save it for the tougher enemies. But maybe I should try it out.
Basically the schtick is to get 10 kills to max Recomb, swap to it, Recomb shot to nuke something, switch back, repeat without needing to reload the Mtop. You can even save it for shenanigans with a Bait and Switch heavy- charge Recomb, boss becomes vulnerable, shoot with the Primary, Recomb, unload BnS Heavy, repeat. If the Heavy has ALH or Envious too you never need to reload any of your weapons besides your primary. If just do the primary-Mtop swap for Champs and other beefy targets.
I like auto loading holster as a perk, but most of the time I end up not using it because reloading weapons (especially breech loader gls) hits a certain switch in my brain.
I like ambitious assassin as a perk, but most of the time I end up not using because *not* reloading certain weapons hits a certain switch in my brain.
I like ambitious assassin as a perk, so most of the time I end up using it because firing more rounds than usual hits a certain switch in my brain.
Ambitious assassin Recombination is actually a roll im interested in, cause you get the recomb shot (200% dmg) + an unupgraded shot (100% dmg) so in high difficulty content you get a SUPER NUKE as opposed to a regular nuke of (200% dmg)
https://preview.redd.it/dawqet8wh2xc1.png?width=2560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6fe74912c59ed5664e0f96204fd6adad7548bf83 Here is the roll for reference.
Definitely switch to auto loading. Switch back to other gun, kill a few things, and switch back to this. It’s such a fun method
https://i.imgur.com/42xolBg.jpeg
I hate you...
I hate you
That’s a single vorpal instead of harmony away from an absolute god roll on the double perks, fantastic
shard edit: whoa, that's a lot of downvotes! All I meant is it's a garbage roll and OP should delete it
Your mom should've sharded you.
That coming from a chibi Nijika pfp has sent my sides into orbit
Can I get a sharded as well?
Reminds me of that interview where the dude is like "do you think abortion should be legal?" Girl responds "definitely, I sometimes wish I was aborted."
"Shard cause its not a perfect 7/7 shiny god roll!!1" Ambitious + Recomb is goated. "it doesnt have spike nades!" shut mouth.
I mean it's literaly a 6/5 shiny roll, reload MW is technically not better than handling, but who cares. Implosion + confined is the highest dmg possible on MT and sticky is used for movement tech. You'd be hard-pressed to find a better roll if you tried
👀 Movement tech? What's this?
Basically, since you can now 'rocket-jump' with MT, using sticky nades you can hit yourself with up to 7 or 8 grenades at the same time, which launches you at speeds rivaling eager edge skating (without needing heavy ammo or shatterdive/well), both vertically and/or horizontally.
😐 This is the first I'm hearing about any of this lol
Here's a [clip](https://youtu.be/-QywHLoX3r8) that shows it off pretty well! This was done using the sunset mountaintop, once that gets un-sunset it's probably going to get stealth nerfed a bit, but the interaction will still be there ofc.
Damn. That's pretty cool
sorry, it's a garbage roll on a garbage gun. Op should farm the obvious GOAT, Wild Style, when it's back in rotation
What made it good was the autoloading from Luna factions wells and rally barricades, if that was still in the game the new version would be the superior one
You can get the old one from the kiosk in the tower between the two vault terminals. It is fairly expensive to buy but you can get the original one.
I meant the auto loading, not the old version
Ah
What they're referring to here is the fact that Rally Barricades and Lunafactin Boot Rifts/Wells *reloaded for you*. So the DPS meta was literally just combine Barricades/Lunas and shoot Mountaintop because you straight up did not have to reload. Now Rally Barricade and Luna Boots only buff reload speed, instead of removing your need to manually reload.
Not quite. Old MT top didn't have recombination, so you wouldn't get shots this powerful at all
I think you might want a better test than a year 2 lost sector boss.
So what would be a good damage test? The first boss in the avarice dungeon?
That’s always a good option for damage number testing, but even a strike boss from some of the recently added strikes like hypernet current or a boss from coil or rivens lair would work for seeing how much that type of weapon does against non endgame bosses that still have a health pool that can’t be deleted with primary
I will definitely give it a try, thanks
Glad I could help.
I always test things in nightfalls master/GM, the first part always has enemies, any weapon used below master is "OP" There's the first checkpoint in breakneck story mission on legend too
Test it in legend lost sectors.
it's a lost sector boss anything would 1 shot it
Used to be much stronger, but current does more damage. The meta of Mountaintop, Recluse, Anarchy persisted for years for a reason.
No. It was actually even *more* OP than this, and some people consider it to be the biggest reason, if not *the* reason, for sunsetting.
It used to be godly, you’re in a lost sector tho. Things die fast
Old MtTop with lunafacs, or rally baricade was definitely more broken
I’m using a demolitionist/rampage roll with ashen wake. Splosions go brrrrrr.
Why is it nsfw tagged?
That's a normal lost sector with a full 10 stacks of recombination. I'm not impressed nor surprised you killed him in 1-shot. Everything dies in 1-shot in normal lost sectors
People forget that mountaintop was the top dps weapon in the game because of lunafaction wells. You just drop anarchy mines on the boss and spam your full auto mountaintop. It made gahlran a meme
whats the roll
Scroll down, it was posted.
Holy....where does it drop?
I was lucky and got it from the reputation engram from shaxx in the hall.
Ahhh....fingers crossed
In general combat Mt top is nice. Up to level 30 in onslaught Mt top is nice. Any end game utility will be based on other weapons and build craft perks like recomb or bait n switch. The hard part about the first Mt top was getting gl kills in crucible. So Lotta people ran 3x gl just to rack up points. It was messy and it took a while but worth it. All the pursuit weapons or whatever they called them were wildly OP like wendigo or recluse but you had to go through the steps to get them.
Why marked NSFW?
This is a lost sector boss Of course its easy Mountaintop used to deal more damage And used to be perfectly accurate in air They changed it to be ridiculously inaccurate in air And reduced the damage in pvp This was to make it not so good even after sunsetting That way people wouldnt be able to use it So it does less damage And they removed the in air accuracy So now its terrible in air
What’s the roll?
Not to mention you'd stand in a Luna faction, rally barricade and spam fire mountain top without having to reload before. I think for that reason it was way stronger.
No because it didnt have Recombination for a double-damage shot before.
Mate this is in a standard LS lol If anything Mountaintop is massively weaker than back in the day due to the power creep. If this makes sense, they massively buffed it but is still massively weaker than it was comparatively to when it was a dictation of whether or not you'd be kicked from LFGs lol
Dude, you're in a patrol lost sector while using a recombination mountaintop... of course it'll one shot the boss.
Humblebrag