> It’s a superior product to the regular Equinox, which by comparison is now just another crossover with a small-displacement turbocharged four-cylinder engine. If you can get this instead, with 319 miles of range, excellent route planning for your road trips, respectable fast charging and, presumably, a home charger—why would you go back to paying for gas?
People in the U.S. clamoring for a “basic” EV for cheap though. Not arguing against your thesis since I have no basis, but even if they shrunk it (thereby making it more efficient) and giving it “vegan leather“ seats like a “premium” Tesla, a Bolt with better DCFC and MSRP starting closer to 20k than the most recent Bolt seems like it *should* be a hit with the people that are begging for an affordable EV in the U.S.
Yeah we want a smaller, affordable commuter car that’s comfortable in the city. This is longer than even the Mach E so there’s no huge advantage to it for us.
Edit: guys I get it, the Equinox and Mach E are small by American standards, but it’s just not as convenient to park in a city like Seattle or Boston as a car that’s less long/wide, and we shouldn’t only be offering cars to Americans that would be considered quite big in the rest of the world
I like the original Bolt and seeing what they've done with the Equinox makes me excited for the ultium platform Bolt. Unfortunately, thats going to be about as small as cars get in the US.
I’m hoping too, but sincere question: is the ultium Bolt even real at this point? A supposed 2025 model we have yet to see a concept for at this point in June 2024?
[https://gmauthority.com/blog/2024/06/2026-chevy-bolt-ev-everything-we-know-and-expect/](https://gmauthority.com/blog/2024/06/2026-chevy-bolt-ev-everything-we-know-and-expect/)
> The 2026 Chevy Bolt EV should be unveiled in the summer or fall of the 2025 calendar year.
I'm hopeful. July 2023 is when GM decided to uncancle it so 2.25 years doesn't seem that unreasonable for a factory move, vehicle refresh, and new drivetrain. Especially since I bet a lot of decisions were in limbo until GM could get ultium manufacturing sorted which took them about a year longer than they expected.
GM mostly doesn't show things years and years before they come out. By the time you see something that looks pretty complete, they'll probably start coming off lines in a few months. There was a delay on the Blazer and Equinox a bit, but that is an exception due to the slower expected ramp-up at their first large battery and pack plants.
When it comes to EVs, we should be offering Americans cars that they'll buy. Crossovers are the most popular car segment in America and make up nearly half of all sales and many brands are cutting their smaller offerings entirely.
I know there's a passionate group of people who like smaller vehicles for various reasons, but the truth is that Americans as a whole don't really want cars smaller than crossovers.
Step one. Stop selling small cars. Step two. Claim Americans don't want small cars. Step three. Use step two to stop making small cars. Fuel standards killed small cars in America. People want them but car companies didn't want to make them. They still make plenty for other markets. My hope is small evs can happen becuase the fuel regulation shouldn't apply to them.
I mean that's fair. We'll see where they go with it, but the Equinox is their 2nd best selling model and it's a gateway vehicle to their brand for many Americans. Making an electric version of a model that is that important to them and having it received this well is a pretty big deal I think and whether or not it's successful will definitely impact their commitment to other models moving forward.
I do hope they ramp up putting their money where their mouth is on EV models and options though for sure.
> This is longer than even the Mach E so there’s no huge advantage to it for us.
Agreed. Anything bigger than a Bolt, EX-30, Leaf, or Kona/Niro is too big for me.
I got up close to the Equinox EV at a car show and it is very close in size to my 2024 Kona. I would say it is longer but not by enough to dismiss buying it IMO.
[https://www.topspeed.com/chevy-equinox-ev-vs-hyundai-kona-electric](https://www.topspeed.com/chevy-equinox-ev-vs-hyundai-kona-electric)
How could it be very close in size when according to this article it’s 18” longer (190” vs 171.5”)? That’s a substantial difference; an Equinox is closer in size to a three row SUV like the Palisade (196”) than the Kona.
18” isn’t as noticeable as you would think. Even when the two are parked near each other, you can barely tell.
What i am trying to say, its not so much bigger that its going to be the deciding factor for most people.
Price will be #1 and 2nd will be range.
It beats the 24’ Kona in a lot of areas.
On paper it sounds a lot bigger but not many will even notice in person.
It honestly doesn't feel big. It's also affordable if you find the right deal. You can see my post about mine in my history.
Got the blazer EV lease for less than half (/mo) than my VW iD 4 back in march 2023.
For many in less dense areas it is, but it’s a full 20” longer than the Bolt, that cuts out so many potential parallel parking spots on crowded city streets
Agreed. I hope they sell like gangbusters but the car is too wide for me (chevy website states 77" width excluding mirrors). I was already thinking the EV6 / Ioniq 5 width may be right at the edge of what want to deal with (74" width)
I'd love something from GM that's all-electric with a similar form factor to the original Volt, just a little bit longer and wider. I love hatchback sedans. The VW ID.7 is exactly my kind of car, though from what I've read, it's still undecided if it will even enter the US market.
A new vehicle comes with eight years of maps and connectivity required to use them. After that, or if you buy used, you need to pay for OnStar. I have been told, although not personally verified, that you cannot even connect it to a hotspot in your phone and get that functionality without paying OnStar.
Here it is, https://news.gm.com/newsroom.detail.html/Pages/news/us/en/2024/feb/0202-onstar.html, since I have never been a fan of OnStar because of their horrid monthly fees. Now there are additional services which they do hope you pay for that have limited free use. It appears however the basics that people expect remain which include remote locking/starting, maps and navigation, and automatic crash response.
Guess they realized that limited use was a no go for many consumers. I can say my time with my 2017 Volt OnStar was the worst part of the experience. Took nearly three months to get them to leave me alone then came the random games of the app not working because of some "program" change at OnStar and such.
**2025 Model Year and later only**
I've got a 2017 volt too, and trying to navigate the plans and pricing has been dumb. I've been trying to find ways to hack my volt to allow me remote start without paying them haha
This is mostly why I'm upset about no android auto. I have more confidence that android auto will continue to be supported, and I have want to be able to control the data access. Let me stick in a Sim card or connect to wifi and I'm in. I don't want to have to overpay for onstar to connect me to the internet.
Wait, so if someone buys a three-year-old used GM vehicle, the remainder of the eight years of free onstar does not transfer to the second owner??? That’s infuriating. Capitalism is amazing at finding endless ways to fuck over poor people.
My experience when buying used GM vehicles in the past is none of the remaining OnStar services transfer to the new owner. The new owner gets a short trial period and that’s it.
It’s possible that will be different with EV’s, but I highly doubt it…
I just got mine and didn't even pay attention to that. Loved the looks and the price.
It has google and you sign in like a phone or tablet and the apps are available right there on screen. I haven't had more than a few minutes to play with it, but i actually like that I don't have to connect my phone (as when i use android auto it slows down my phone - s22 ultra)
I try to sign in. Access denied. It can’t run MDM software. None of my addresses, contacts, etc will ever be in a system it can access - it can’t run the required security software.
But CarPlay can - since my phone can. He’ll, even Tesla and Rivian use a shim app to get the data.
It runs on Android Automotive o/s and has Google Maps, Waze and probably most of the apps that you would use on your phone in your car including Spotify.
How does this work in the real world, given that multiple different people use and drive a car? With regular Andriod Auto or Carplay, each person's individual stuff goes with them. Including recent searches. I almost never search for or plug in a destination while in the car - I pull it up beforehand, press start and then connect to Andriod Auto when I get in.
We have Android Automotive in our Hummer and never use AA/CP, despite my wife and I trading driving several times a week. There are separate accounts on the system so we each have our own apps logged in there. We use Youtube Music for music and podcasts, and playlists and progress sync automatically between the vehicle and our phones. Likewise, Google maps is tied to our Google accounts just like on the phone, so it shows pertinent/recent searches from our account and let's us send a route from the phone with a single touch. It is also aware of the battery (and extremely accurate at projecting arrival battery SOC) to automatically add the appropriate charging stops for longer trips.
Understood. I actually meant to reply to first comment, my bad but, isn't Apple and Google profiting off of you as well? What's the difference? All companies are profiting off of our data
Because I can use those apps on my phone with saved information. I can’t use them in a car except as dumb systems, since the car can’t run my security software - and they don’t want it to, since it would also block much of their monetization.
Always amazes me how many people this is a deal breaker for. At least in these parts. I suspect the % of the general population that feels this way is much lower.
I agree with the CarPlay sentiment 1000%. It is a complete deal breaker for me. No CarPlay = no purchases of any GM product (ICE or EV) from me ever! I also feel the same way re Tesla. Even if Tesla were to solve its massive build quality problems, I’d never buy a Tesla due to lack of CarPlay support.
The worst part of this is how is done in a heavily-integrated screen and controls that cannot be changed easily to an aftermarket one, like it happens in cars with 1-DIN and 2-DIN bays.
Uh, yeah? When you get used to something good you don’t want to go without it.
I won’t buy cars without traffic aware cruise control anymore for example
My car is a tool to accomplish tasks. Many, if not most of those tasks are related to work. Their system cannot use my work accounts. Therefore yup - ability to use my work details is a pretty critical use case and drives my car buying decisions.
That’s for their factories, but it wouldn’t surprise me. Then again, I wouldn’t buy one of those to start with.
My list is the next gen Hyundais and the R3X, maybe the I4. - I’ll have one last ICE car before I go EV since the infra still isn’t there where I have to drive regularly
GM: “Buy my high tech electric vehicle!”
Jo Public: “I exist in the Apple ecosphere, will my phone integrate with your car like some over car makers do?”
GM: “Um, no.”
Jo Public: “well, bye.”
Same. I have a unified infotainment interface that works on every vehicle I own and most that I rent. I absolutely won’t buy a vehicle without it and it was part of my decision to go ahead and buy the Hummer EV while it still has CarPlay.
I agree with this and tesla is proof of it. Legacy automakers suck at software but they are getting a little better. I test drove a blazer ev the other day and enjoyed the software since it was android based. It would have everything you need to so I'm not sure what the fuss is about. These are becoming phones on wheels so software is going to be getting better.
> These are becoming phones on wheels so software is going to be getting better.
They are becoming phones on wheels so they can charge you for in-car purchases and subscriptions.
These companies are not going into software to make the cars better, they are going into software to make a bunch of money. Kia will happily charge you for horsepower the car already has, and it will only get worse.
Yet GM will not admit they’ve made a bad decision that can easily be reversed. No dealers or customers were asking for it to be dropped. In most cars you have to select it so why not offer both CarPlay and the GM version? They’re not offering CarPlay because they have no faith in their own OS.
> In most cars you have to select it so why not offer both CarPlay and the GM version? They’re not offering CarPlay because they have no faith in their own OS.
I'm assuming GM is going to try to monetize their dashboard screen with paid-for apps. They can allow apps for SiriusXM, OnStar and whatever other subscription-based software GM develops. CarPlay eliminates this potential revenue stream since nobody is going to want to pay for shitty GM software, when there are better alternatives.
GM is using Android Automotive OS. So the apps come from the Google play store. GM is getting no revenue that way. What they are getting is more data from the vehicle.
I’m not a CarPlay fanatic but I can see where they’re coming from. Having CarPlay means you’re not beholden to GM’s subscription service, nor do you have to worry as much about the infotainment becoming outdated and slow over time. You can more easily use apps on your phone, for example streaming services like Netflix, without waiting for them to release a version for your infotainment. The experience is also more seamless as you can preload things on your phone, like Google Maps routes, instead of having to sync them to your car.
That being said, I had Android Auto before and only used it for long trips as having to plug in was a pain. You’d have to offer wireless CarPlay / AA for me to care about it.
Streaming isn’t limited to just watching stuff - for example, Apple Music doesn’t have an Android Automotive app on Polestars - and I’ve also gotten decent mileage out of YouTube etc at charging stops or long lines (e.g. borders, ferries).
At the end of the day it’s an additional device to manage which isn’t ideal. Maybe considering it a dealbreaker is going too far but it is a differentiator.
>It’s just anti-GM trolling.
It really isn't.
I have absolutely nothing against GM, and I'm very glad to see more affordable EVs on the market. And if I was shopping for a new car, I'd want to get an EV; normally I'd be very interested in this car. But the fact that GM has made the stupid decision of removing this technology for no good reason would make me want to look elsewhere. A lot of other people feel the same way.
Just because you disagree with something, that doesn't mean it's "trolling".
No, it doesn't. Tesla is a known quantity, everyone knows their limitations. They never had support for Android Auto and Apple CarPlay. Frankly, there are also other, bigger reasons that people don't like Teslas, so this probably doesn't even make the list.
GM, on the other hand, has supported these technologies for a while, but suddenly decided to stop for no good reason. People are understandably pissed about that.
Just because you disagree with something, that doesn't mean that it's "trolling".
>I just gave you a very clear example of someone obviously trolling and then you reply with this tells me you’re not being intellectually honest.
What? No you didn't. You gave me an opinion, not an example.
>Also, I understand not wanting a car because it doesn’t have a feature that you want in it, but shifting every conversation into this talking point when this is purely a preference of yours is clear-cut trolling.
Again, it isn't. If a product looks like it would be awesome except for the pointless removal of a feature you really like, you'd be understandably unhappy about that, and you would complain about it.
>Under every single post about a GM EV someone saying “I’m not buying it because it doesn’t have CarPlay” is trolling.
No. It. Is. Not.
It's consumers expressing their strong opinions. Just because you disagree with those opinions, that doesn't make them irrelevant.
> Saying this over and over doesn’t advance the conservation.
That depends on what "the conversation" is. If it's "This product is perfect and awesome and anyone who doesn't think so doesn't deserve to be heard", then no, it doesn't advance that conversation.
If, OTOH, the conversation should be a discussion on the overall merits and drawbacks of the product, then strong, widespread opinions on a particular drawback definitely does advance it.
You've made it clear what you want the conversation to be. Fortunately, you don't get to unilaterally decide that for the rest of us.
> I was making posts like that two years ago — it’s time to grow up.
And there it is. Can't get your point across rationally, so it's time to move on to insults. But I'm the one who is "trolling"...
I’m with you 1000% Mr or Ms Diamond. This Kingkintinuum person simply doesn’t want to hear that the appeal of GM vehicles is greatly diminished (among a segment of potential car buyers) when a “must have” feature like CarPlay support is absent (or in GM’s case removed versus prior year vehicles). I simply would not buy any GM or Tesla product because of the lack of CarPlay no matter how good their vehicles are otherwise. My guess is that Kingkintinuum is a 3rd generation GM employee who simply cannot deal with hearing even a single negative about GM and that is why he or she is bashing you and calling you a troll.
I owned a Chevy Volt. I loved it. I wanted to replace it with an Equinox EV because the Volt has been so good. Once I saw it had no CarPlay, I removed it from my list. You can’t say I was anti-GM because my GM was the best car I’ve ever owned.
I make my comments in hopes that GM sees how bad they screwed up and eventually reverses their decision.
I have Android Auto in my EV6. I barely use it because the in-built sat-nav is fine, and the bluetooth music streaming even carries over the album art.
It's nice to have it available, however. If it's lacking it's still points deducted but it's also not necessary.
Carplay is nice, I have it on my Harley, but at the end of the day I can ride just fine without it. Since I have absolutely no first hand knowledge of how the GM system works and I doubt many others have none as well I am not willing to pass judgment on it.
However just understand that I have very few complaints about the interface in my Tesla and it all revolves around music selection but I have learned to just select playlists off my phone; it is ridiculous they do not have a full blown music app that can use the phone properly - again going back to the Harley, even without carplay activated I can browse my playlists and more through my bluetooth connection
Yeah I have CarPlay in my ICE truck, it's fine and all, but I don't miss it when I'm driving my Tesla. I can connect the phone via bluetooth if I want to access anything on there and texts/phone calls flow through the Tesla interface with no issue. Otherwise the Apple music app is on the native car system and works fine.
Dude. Not all of us are so spoiled and entitled. CarPlay is newer tech. Were used to not having it. There are other solutions. I understand people being unhappy with it not being included. But the amount of people using this as a non starter is seriously a mind fuck. Theres no fucking way it is that much of a game changer.
I know a lot of people complain about lack of carplay and it's overblown. I have both a Blazer EV and a Tesla and Bluetooth works fine. The Blazer includes 8 years of app connectivity which means I can readily use onboard apps and have traffic available for some time. Even when this services cease to exist, Bluetooth is a viable option. To add, because I'm not running an app on my phone with carplay, I can readily wirelessly charge.
Tesla is already charging $10 per month and what is the fuss about, essentially it is the network data cost which the manufacturer has to pay AT&T or Verizon
99% of the time I am using google maps and spotify on my phone when on a drive.
- I use google maps specify because it has the most accurate maps for my area and great offline support as well as saved locations. How is navigation handled on the Blazer?
- Spotify can mostly be controlled by voice and probably is fine bluetooth only.
There is no additional cost to me to use these functions from my phone which already has a large data plan.
I use Google Maps in my vehicle and works just as well as the phone. Can also ready use OK Google to navigate. I use offline maps on my vehicle as well (not that it's needed). I've navigated to a DC fast charger and would prep my car battery so it saves me from using two apps to navigate and ore condition (like you would have to on the Mach E).
For Spotify, my Playlist sync to the vehicle and can ask Google to play a particular Playlist of needed. It doesn't resume from where my phone left off but I don't mind that.
BUT DOES IT REQUIRE ANOTHER SUBSCRIPTION!.
That is why we like car play, it is just something you already paid for and it just ties the screen speakers and mic to your phone.
I sure as hell do not need a subscription for my car.
Google maps is free for 8 years and then it's $15/ month. The data connectivity fee is really my biggest issue with this. Otherwise, it's nearly indistinguishable from Android Auto because it is android.
I fail to see your argument here. Navigation works as my input tells me where I need to go without paying hence it doesn't require a subscription unless I want to enable an additional feature (traffic). This is different from let's say, Apple Music, where you can't use the application on it's own without a subscription and therefore does not work.
I believe it can be a slippery slope, With EV have the possibility last longer with ice cars. Who to say that they won’t to paywall everything that you normally use.
That’s exactly the plan. GM has publicly stated how many billions of dollars the expect to make off of charging you for functionality your phone gives you for free
I have a Lyriq and used CarPlay a lot in previous vehicles. I thought I would be using it all the time and was happy at the time that I was still going to get it; but I'm rarely using it now because even though it's buggy AF, the built-in google maps is still a lot nicer than the rectangle CarPlay view.
What about Apple text messages or Apple
Music? Or iCal appointments? When j sit down in my Bolt EUV it automatically shows me directions to our dinner reservations or to my next meeting. Really want the equinox but we aren’t going to switch all of our families music just for a car.
Yes but that is going from pressing 0 buttons to unlocking your phone, opening mychevrolet, hitting the send button, then waiting for it to work.
That is an objectively worse experience.
It should be infinity years for that stuff. Bluetooth is fine is such a shit take. I'm sorry but that's stupid. Bluetooth sound degradation is real, even when using superior codecs.
I don't know about car play, but with wireless Android Auto bluetooth is only the handshake protocol and all the data transfer happens over broadband Wi-Fi direct, so all you sound comes through a basically like bitstreaming.
I also own a Blazer EV, and I do not feel it’s overblown. You say you also own a Tesla, so you know how much the Chevy software sucks compared to what actually could be done. The 8 years of app connectivity is the reason why I decide to try it even without CarPlay, but I won’t do it again. GM is not a software company.
Their apps are complete crap. The built in ones have finally gotten stable, but their functionality is generations behind Tesla, and not even as good as CarPlay. The only thing they have over CarPlay is knowledge of the vehicles charge status and the ability to find a charger when necessary and start preconditioning. The third-party selection is completely anemic with almost nothing of value being available. We can choose to blame GM, we can choose to blame Google, but in the end it was GM that I gave the money and GM is holding the responsibility. The fact of the matter is they removed a fantastic ecosystem and replaced it with crap. They did it in the name of safety, which is a joke.
So I am definitely not anti-GM, but they made a huge mistake and I am seriously hoping they correct it before the next time anyone in my family needs to go vehicle shopping .
Oh, it absolutely can. But currently it doesn’t in any vehicle that I’m aware of. I wasn’t 100% sure if it was part of the 1.0 spec if it’s something new and they announcing next week so I just left it out.
Even the knowledge of charge status can be had with current CarPlay. I have a 23 bolt with a BTLE OBD2 dongle, and with that I can sync to ABRP and it will predict my SOC at destination, which will update based on actual conditions. It can even adjust the trip plan on the fly if it predicts I won’t make it as far as originally planned
>I know a lot of people complain about lack of carplay and it's overblown.
For you.
> I have both a Blazer EV and a Tesla and Bluetooth works fine.
For you.
This may come as a shock, but the vast majority of the people out there are not you, and therefore have different preferences.
I currently use a cassette to aux to dongle to iPhone connection for my car. Is the Blazer an upgrade? People seem to be pretty mad about how inconvenient it is.
It's a really cool looking car. My only gripe is that it's only $1000 less than a Model Y and yet has \*way\* less horsepower when you compare the AWD models, plus only 285 mile range vs 310 mile range, and that's on a larger 85.0kWh battery pack, meaning it gets far worse miles per kWh. Hard to justify the price point with such weak motors and inverters which are key components of an EV. Pros: looks and ?
That $35k price is for RWD 1LT, it says "AWD available" but it doesn't list the 1LT AWD price point nor the range.
The min price for the available AWD models [on the builder](https://www.chevrolet.com/shopping/configurator/electric/2024/equinox-ev/equinox-ev/) is **$46,595** vs [the Model Y](https://www.tesla.com/modely/design#overview) LR AWD at **$47,990** before incentives.
LR AWD Model Y = 514 hp **/** 364 lb-ft, 250 kW fast charging
LR AWD Equinox EV = 288 hp / 346 lb-ft, 150 kW fast charging
I just don't feel right recommending the Equinox to family. The Y is the clear winner.
The 1LT is coming later this year. Just like everyone else they release higher trims first before releasing the base model. [Here is a screenshot from their website ](https://i.imgur.com/BiBFew7.png)
Model Y starts at $46,630 after destination before any tax credit.
The midtrim Equinox EV 2LT is $43,295 after destination before tax credit.
The entry 1LT trim that is coming later this year is suppose to be $36,399 before tax credit.
They all qualify for $7500 tax credit.
So the Equinox EV will undercut the Model Y, buly quite a bit with the 1LT trim.
The 1LT starts at $33,600 (+ $1,395 destination = $34,995).
Minus the $7,500 federal point-of-sale rebate, that's **$27,495**
https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/equinox-ev
I don’t even see a “1LT” at all when you go to build. It says “Starting at $41,900” right on that link you posted.
EDIT: Nevermind it’s all the way at the bottom as “coming late 2024”.
As a retired newspaper guy, how can you trust a review from a dude who took a free flight and free hotel room from GM? A legitimate journalist would never accept such gifts. Don’t tell that such freebies don’t influence his review because of course they do or GM would not offer them.
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Both are 65” tall. A Malibu is 57” tall. Less than a foot difference seems off to wring your hands over and virtue signal over some alleged air of wastefulness as u/piedude314 is.
$43k (before dealer markups) for 319 miles of range and only 150kW DC charging.
A model Y is $45k out the door for the same range and 250kW DC charging, plus the supercharger network.
Frankly the 150kW DC rate alone is a deal breaker for me.
Edit: All you replying to me about how charging rate doesn’t matter are absolutely off the mark. Maybe it doesn’t matter to you in your Nissan Leaf or Chevy Bolt, readers of r/electricvehicles and loyal EV enthusiasts.
To an ICE driver on the fence about making the switch, speed and availability of charging *absolutely does matter*. It’s one of the primary anxieties about buying an EV.
From a strictly value perspective, at this price point, this Equinox EV is dead on arrival. There’s already too much competition at this price point for what the Equinox delivers.
For me, the DC charging speed matters less than the time it takes to go from 10-80%. The difference is 10 min between the 2. For some, that’s a big deal. For others, not so much.
Charged my EV while I slept last night, and it’s the best part of having an EV. That doesn’t mean I don’t still value DC charge rates when I’m driving more than 100 miles from my home.
To an ICE driver you need to realize that public level 3 chargers(150kw+) are not meant for daily/weekly use. They're for road tripping. If you can't charge at home, then you're gonna have a bad time. If you're charging at home, 150kw don't matter.
If you travel over 200 miles often, then yeah look for a faster charger.
>model Y […] 250kW DC charging
^Offer ^only ^valid ^at ^10% ^state ^of ^charge
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As with every claim from Tesla, it’s usually ‘technically true’ briefly and only under laboratory-like conditions that can’t be reproduced in actual operation.
that's how it goes for all EVs: the peak can only be reached at very low soc and under perfect conditions.
But guess what: the equinox will also behave like that, but the high point will only be 150kW.
Then it all depends on the charging curve, but tesla is pretty much middle of the pack. Was there already a test of the charging curve of the equinox?
I have a small battery EV and haven’t used a fast charger since August of last year. Fast charging capability isn’t the main selling point like you would like to believe.
Except the Tesla styling is bland and old. At least this EV has real buttons. Carplay is almost a deal breaker but after testing out a blazer aesthetically it's much better. Was going to buy a Model Y but I couldnt bring myself to do it because of the lack of physical controls and styling.
> It’s a superior product to the regular Equinox, which by comparison is now just another crossover with a small-displacement turbocharged four-cylinder engine. If you can get this instead, with 319 miles of range, excellent route planning for your road trips, respectable fast charging and, presumably, a home charger—why would you go back to paying for gas?
As much as I want one, it makes me more curious about the next Bolt, which I assume is going to be a value massacre.
Remember, these days everything gets enshittified over time. The '17-23 Bolts just may end up becoming iconic, lol.
People in the U.S. clamoring for a “basic” EV for cheap though. Not arguing against your thesis since I have no basis, but even if they shrunk it (thereby making it more efficient) and giving it “vegan leather“ seats like a “premium” Tesla, a Bolt with better DCFC and MSRP starting closer to 20k than the most recent Bolt seems like it *should* be a hit with the people that are begging for an affordable EV in the U.S.
I'm betting $35K or more for the new Bolt. They can't do the cheap thing anymore, not since 2021.
My 23 was cheaper than that...
Why would the Bolt cost more than the Equinox? It will be smaller and have a smaller battery.
It's not the car for me, but I want the Ultium platform to succeed, and I hope they sell like crazy. If I needed a SUV again I'd consider it.
Yeah we want a smaller, affordable commuter car that’s comfortable in the city. This is longer than even the Mach E so there’s no huge advantage to it for us. Edit: guys I get it, the Equinox and Mach E are small by American standards, but it’s just not as convenient to park in a city like Seattle or Boston as a car that’s less long/wide, and we shouldn’t only be offering cars to Americans that would be considered quite big in the rest of the world
I like the original Bolt and seeing what they've done with the Equinox makes me excited for the ultium platform Bolt. Unfortunately, thats going to be about as small as cars get in the US.
I’m hoping too, but sincere question: is the ultium Bolt even real at this point? A supposed 2025 model we have yet to see a concept for at this point in June 2024?
[https://gmauthority.com/blog/2024/06/2026-chevy-bolt-ev-everything-we-know-and-expect/](https://gmauthority.com/blog/2024/06/2026-chevy-bolt-ev-everything-we-know-and-expect/) > The 2026 Chevy Bolt EV should be unveiled in the summer or fall of the 2025 calendar year. I'm hopeful. July 2023 is when GM decided to uncancle it so 2.25 years doesn't seem that unreasonable for a factory move, vehicle refresh, and new drivetrain. Especially since I bet a lot of decisions were in limbo until GM could get ultium manufacturing sorted which took them about a year longer than they expected.
GM mostly doesn't show things years and years before they come out. By the time you see something that looks pretty complete, they'll probably start coming off lines in a few months. There was a delay on the Blazer and Equinox a bit, but that is an exception due to the slower expected ramp-up at their first large battery and pack plants.
When it comes to EVs, we should be offering Americans cars that they'll buy. Crossovers are the most popular car segment in America and make up nearly half of all sales and many brands are cutting their smaller offerings entirely. I know there's a passionate group of people who like smaller vehicles for various reasons, but the truth is that Americans as a whole don't really want cars smaller than crossovers.
Step one. Stop selling small cars. Step two. Claim Americans don't want small cars. Step three. Use step two to stop making small cars. Fuel standards killed small cars in America. People want them but car companies didn't want to make them. They still make plenty for other markets. My hope is small evs can happen becuase the fuel regulation shouldn't apply to them.
Sure, but GM’s not even offering EV crossovers near the size of something like the Crosstrek, which is a full 14” shorter than the Equinoix
I mean that's fair. We'll see where they go with it, but the Equinox is their 2nd best selling model and it's a gateway vehicle to their brand for many Americans. Making an electric version of a model that is that important to them and having it received this well is a pretty big deal I think and whether or not it's successful will definitely impact their commitment to other models moving forward. I do hope they ramp up putting their money where their mouth is on EV models and options though for sure.
> This is longer than even the Mach E so there’s no huge advantage to it for us. Agreed. Anything bigger than a Bolt, EX-30, Leaf, or Kona/Niro is too big for me.
I got up close to the Equinox EV at a car show and it is very close in size to my 2024 Kona. I would say it is longer but not by enough to dismiss buying it IMO. [https://www.topspeed.com/chevy-equinox-ev-vs-hyundai-kona-electric](https://www.topspeed.com/chevy-equinox-ev-vs-hyundai-kona-electric)
How could it be very close in size when according to this article it’s 18” longer (190” vs 171.5”)? That’s a substantial difference; an Equinox is closer in size to a three row SUV like the Palisade (196”) than the Kona.
18” isn’t as noticeable as you would think. Even when the two are parked near each other, you can barely tell. What i am trying to say, its not so much bigger that its going to be the deciding factor for most people. Price will be #1 and 2nd will be range. It beats the 24’ Kona in a lot of areas. On paper it sounds a lot bigger but not many will even notice in person.
It honestly doesn't feel big. It's also affordable if you find the right deal. You can see my post about mine in my history. Got the blazer EV lease for less than half (/mo) than my VW iD 4 back in march 2023.
My small commuter car is the mach e...
For many in less dense areas it is, but it’s a full 20” longer than the Bolt, that cuts out so many potential parallel parking spots on crowded city streets
Right? My daily driver is a palisade. A mach e would be a small suv for my family.
Agreed. I hope they sell like gangbusters but the car is too wide for me (chevy website states 77" width excluding mirrors). I was already thinking the EV6 / Ioniq 5 width may be right at the edge of what want to deal with (74" width)
Volt but 100% electric and I'll die a happy man lol. That car had no business being as sexy looking as it was :-)
Even the first gen still holds up today as a good-looking car (well, the Opel version does, anyway).
Based on looks alone, it was my favorite Chevy.
I'd love something from GM that's all-electric with a similar form factor to the original Volt, just a little bit longer and wider. I love hatchback sedans. The VW ID.7 is exactly my kind of car, though from what I've read, it's still undecided if it will even enter the US market.
I hope they sell millions!
Dear GM, bring back CarPlay/Android Auto or I will never consider buying another Chevy vehicle again Thanks
What I'm curious about with this is if you need to pay for onstar to update the cars maps and stuff.
A new vehicle comes with eight years of maps and connectivity required to use them. After that, or if you buy used, you need to pay for OnStar. I have been told, although not personally verified, that you cannot even connect it to a hotspot in your phone and get that functionality without paying OnStar.
Here it is, https://news.gm.com/newsroom.detail.html/Pages/news/us/en/2024/feb/0202-onstar.html, since I have never been a fan of OnStar because of their horrid monthly fees. Now there are additional services which they do hope you pay for that have limited free use. It appears however the basics that people expect remain which include remote locking/starting, maps and navigation, and automatic crash response. Guess they realized that limited use was a no go for many consumers. I can say my time with my 2017 Volt OnStar was the worst part of the experience. Took nearly three months to get them to leave me alone then came the random games of the app not working because of some "program" change at OnStar and such. **2025 Model Year and later only**
I've got a 2017 volt too, and trying to navigate the plans and pricing has been dumb. I've been trying to find ways to hack my volt to allow me remote start without paying them haha This is mostly why I'm upset about no android auto. I have more confidence that android auto will continue to be supported, and I have want to be able to control the data access. Let me stick in a Sim card or connect to wifi and I'm in. I don't want to have to overpay for onstar to connect me to the internet.
> I have been told, although not personally verified I have personally verified it, for what it's worth
Wait, so if someone buys a three-year-old used GM vehicle, the remainder of the eight years of free onstar does not transfer to the second owner??? That’s infuriating. Capitalism is amazing at finding endless ways to fuck over poor people.
My experience when buying used GM vehicles in the past is none of the remaining OnStar services transfer to the new owner. The new owner gets a short trial period and that’s it. It’s possible that will be different with EV’s, but I highly doubt it…
Exactly. I will not buy a car without CarPlay. I curate on my phone trips, music, podcasts, and special apps for my enjoyment not GM’s profits.
I just got mine and didn't even pay attention to that. Loved the looks and the price. It has google and you sign in like a phone or tablet and the apps are available right there on screen. I haven't had more than a few minutes to play with it, but i actually like that I don't have to connect my phone (as when i use android auto it slows down my phone - s22 ultra)
I try to sign in. Access denied. It can’t run MDM software. None of my addresses, contacts, etc will ever be in a system it can access - it can’t run the required security software. But CarPlay can - since my phone can. He’ll, even Tesla and Rivian use a shim app to get the data.
It runs on Android Automotive o/s and has Google Maps, Waze and probably most of the apps that you would use on your phone in your car including Spotify.
How does this work in the real world, given that multiple different people use and drive a car? With regular Andriod Auto or Carplay, each person's individual stuff goes with them. Including recent searches. I almost never search for or plug in a destination while in the car - I pull it up beforehand, press start and then connect to Andriod Auto when I get in.
We have Android Automotive in our Hummer and never use AA/CP, despite my wife and I trading driving several times a week. There are separate accounts on the system so we each have our own apps logged in there. We use Youtube Music for music and podcasts, and playlists and progress sync automatically between the vehicle and our phones. Likewise, Google maps is tied to our Google accounts just like on the phone, so it shows pertinent/recent searches from our account and let's us send a route from the phone with a single touch. It is also aware of the battery (and extremely accurate at projecting arrival battery SOC) to automatically add the appropriate charging stops for longer trips.
We have android automotive in our Volvo xc40 full electric and it has CarPlay. We only use CarPlay. 🤷🏼♂️. The android auto system is pretty mid.
I think their point had more to do with GM profiting from selling your data than the actual functionality but maybe I’m wrong
Understood. I actually meant to reply to first comment, my bad but, isn't Apple and Google profiting off of you as well? What's the difference? All companies are profiting off of our data
Because I can use those apps on my phone with saved information. I can’t use them in a car except as dumb systems, since the car can’t run my security software - and they don’t want it to, since it would also block much of their monetization.
Someone will sell your data, only the name changes.
Not op but I don’t use any of those things.
That is my top complaint as a tesla owner. I bought one of the last pre refresh model S, and I hate the big dumb screen that is now standard.
My car has CarPlay. Rented work trip and to see what they're like. Lack of CarPlay is a hard no on a new car play.
Always amazes me how many people this is a deal breaker for. At least in these parts. I suspect the % of the general population that feels this way is much lower.
I agree with the CarPlay sentiment 1000%. It is a complete deal breaker for me. No CarPlay = no purchases of any GM product (ICE or EV) from me ever! I also feel the same way re Tesla. Even if Tesla were to solve its massive build quality problems, I’d never buy a Tesla due to lack of CarPlay support.
This. It’s on my no buy list unless it adds CarPlay.
It’s a slap in the face of free market. I use maps feature of my smart because the navigation is absolute trash in all the cars.
Same. Won’t even bother reading the reviews
The worst part of this is how is done in a heavily-integrated screen and controls that cannot be changed easily to an aftermarket one, like it happens in cars with 1-DIN and 2-DIN bays.
Dear GM this feature i've had for tops 5-10 years runs my ALL car buying decisions.
Uh, yeah? When you get used to something good you don’t want to go without it. I won’t buy cars without traffic aware cruise control anymore for example
My car is a tool to accomplish tasks. Many, if not most of those tasks are related to work. Their system cannot use my work accounts. Therefore yup - ability to use my work details is a pretty critical use case and drives my car buying decisions.
Looks like Tesla is dumping iPhone in the car too. Oh no.
That’s for their factories, but it wouldn’t surprise me. Then again, I wouldn’t buy one of those to start with. My list is the next gen Hyundais and the R3X, maybe the I4. - I’ll have one last ICE car before I go EV since the infra still isn’t there where I have to drive regularly
GM: “Buy my high tech electric vehicle!” Jo Public: “I exist in the Apple ecosphere, will my phone integrate with your car like some over car makers do?” GM: “Um, no.” Jo Public: “well, bye.”
Same. I have a unified infotainment interface that works on every vehicle I own and most that I rent. I absolutely won’t buy a vehicle without it and it was part of my decision to go ahead and buy the Hummer EV while it still has CarPlay.
A good native UI is 100x better than pairing your phone to the screen.
When it runs all of apples apps, including Siri, and integrates seamlessly with Apple services, maybe. But it doesn’t so it’s a hard pass.
Por que no los dos? A native UI that doesn't include standard Carplay/AA apps is a failure.
If car makers were any good at making UIs they would pivot to personal electronics. People would be clamoring for OnStar on their laptops.
GMs UI is made by Google. It runs on the Android Automotive UI... So you're kind of right, but in the opposite way of what you intended
I agree with this and tesla is proof of it. Legacy automakers suck at software but they are getting a little better. I test drove a blazer ev the other day and enjoyed the software since it was android based. It would have everything you need to so I'm not sure what the fuss is about. These are becoming phones on wheels so software is going to be getting better.
> These are becoming phones on wheels so software is going to be getting better. They are becoming phones on wheels so they can charge you for in-car purchases and subscriptions. These companies are not going into software to make the cars better, they are going into software to make a bunch of money. Kia will happily charge you for horsepower the car already has, and it will only get worse.
It’s only a matter of time till we start seeing people tune EVs like we currently see for ice vehicles.
I won’t buy a Tesla or rivian for the same reason. I want car play as my interface. If you deny me that, I’m not buying your product.
If it were free, it could maybe be as good. It’s not gonna be free.
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Prologue 😅. Prelude is a *very* different car.
Had a Prelude back in the 90s. Loved it!
It's a prologue a Chevy blazer? One size class up
With the tax credit it's almost as cheap as the gas version 😮
Hey GM, long term customer that currently owns a Volt. Please make a low roof version.
Long roofs Uber alles
I like how people come to these post, knowing it doesn't have CarPlay and mentioning they will not buy this car because it doesn't have CarPlay.
Yet GM will not admit they’ve made a bad decision that can easily be reversed. No dealers or customers were asking for it to be dropped. In most cars you have to select it so why not offer both CarPlay and the GM version? They’re not offering CarPlay because they have no faith in their own OS.
> In most cars you have to select it so why not offer both CarPlay and the GM version? They’re not offering CarPlay because they have no faith in their own OS. I'm assuming GM is going to try to monetize their dashboard screen with paid-for apps. They can allow apps for SiriusXM, OnStar and whatever other subscription-based software GM develops. CarPlay eliminates this potential revenue stream since nobody is going to want to pay for shitty GM software, when there are better alternatives.
OnStar has paid versions of a lot of stuff Apple just gives you on an iPhone. Like automatic crash detection and response.
GM is using Android Automotive OS. So the apps come from the Google play store. GM is getting no revenue that way. What they are getting is more data from the vehicle.
GMs leadership is well known for being incapable of admitting they made mistakes.
Because they likely have to pay some kind of licensing fee. Why bother with that? Especially with their own tech available.
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I’m not a CarPlay fanatic but I can see where they’re coming from. Having CarPlay means you’re not beholden to GM’s subscription service, nor do you have to worry as much about the infotainment becoming outdated and slow over time. You can more easily use apps on your phone, for example streaming services like Netflix, without waiting for them to release a version for your infotainment. The experience is also more seamless as you can preload things on your phone, like Google Maps routes, instead of having to sync them to your car. That being said, I had Android Auto before and only used it for long trips as having to plug in was a pain. You’d have to offer wireless CarPlay / AA for me to care about it.
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Streaming isn’t limited to just watching stuff - for example, Apple Music doesn’t have an Android Automotive app on Polestars - and I’ve also gotten decent mileage out of YouTube etc at charging stops or long lines (e.g. borders, ferries). At the end of the day it’s an additional device to manage which isn’t ideal. Maybe considering it a dealbreaker is going too far but it is a differentiator.
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>It’s just anti-GM trolling. It really isn't. I have absolutely nothing against GM, and I'm very glad to see more affordable EVs on the market. And if I was shopping for a new car, I'd want to get an EV; normally I'd be very interested in this car. But the fact that GM has made the stupid decision of removing this technology for no good reason would make me want to look elsewhere. A lot of other people feel the same way. Just because you disagree with something, that doesn't mean it's "trolling".
It's the fact that these comments don't show up on Tesla articles that point to it being anti-GM trolling.
No, it doesn't. Tesla is a known quantity, everyone knows their limitations. They never had support for Android Auto and Apple CarPlay. Frankly, there are also other, bigger reasons that people don't like Teslas, so this probably doesn't even make the list. GM, on the other hand, has supported these technologies for a while, but suddenly decided to stop for no good reason. People are understandably pissed about that. Just because you disagree with something, that doesn't mean that it's "trolling".
I agree with you 1000%!
I have a Bolt EV (with CarPlay) and I think it’s a fantastic car. I like the looks of the Blazer, but the removal of CarPlay is a non-starter for me.
Tesla didn’t have it and REMOVE it. That’s what makes it particularly galling on GM’s part.
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>I just gave you a very clear example of someone obviously trolling and then you reply with this tells me you’re not being intellectually honest. What? No you didn't. You gave me an opinion, not an example. >Also, I understand not wanting a car because it doesn’t have a feature that you want in it, but shifting every conversation into this talking point when this is purely a preference of yours is clear-cut trolling. Again, it isn't. If a product looks like it would be awesome except for the pointless removal of a feature you really like, you'd be understandably unhappy about that, and you would complain about it. >Under every single post about a GM EV someone saying “I’m not buying it because it doesn’t have CarPlay” is trolling. No. It. Is. Not. It's consumers expressing their strong opinions. Just because you disagree with those opinions, that doesn't make them irrelevant. > Saying this over and over doesn’t advance the conservation. That depends on what "the conversation" is. If it's "This product is perfect and awesome and anyone who doesn't think so doesn't deserve to be heard", then no, it doesn't advance that conversation. If, OTOH, the conversation should be a discussion on the overall merits and drawbacks of the product, then strong, widespread opinions on a particular drawback definitely does advance it. You've made it clear what you want the conversation to be. Fortunately, you don't get to unilaterally decide that for the rest of us. > I was making posts like that two years ago — it’s time to grow up. And there it is. Can't get your point across rationally, so it's time to move on to insults. But I'm the one who is "trolling"...
I’m with you 1000% Mr or Ms Diamond. This Kingkintinuum person simply doesn’t want to hear that the appeal of GM vehicles is greatly diminished (among a segment of potential car buyers) when a “must have” feature like CarPlay support is absent (or in GM’s case removed versus prior year vehicles). I simply would not buy any GM or Tesla product because of the lack of CarPlay no matter how good their vehicles are otherwise. My guess is that Kingkintinuum is a 3rd generation GM employee who simply cannot deal with hearing even a single negative about GM and that is why he or she is bashing you and calling you a troll.
I’ve been saying this about teslas and rivians for years.
I owned a Chevy Volt. I loved it. I wanted to replace it with an Equinox EV because the Volt has been so good. Once I saw it had no CarPlay, I removed it from my list. You can’t say I was anti-GM because my GM was the best car I’ve ever owned. I make my comments in hopes that GM sees how bad they screwed up and eventually reverses their decision.
I have CarPlay and I don’t use it. It’s amazing I’ve survived this long.
Same. 7 years and used it maybe 5 times.
I have Android Auto in my EV6. I barely use it because the in-built sat-nav is fine, and the bluetooth music streaming even carries over the album art. It's nice to have it available, however. If it's lacking it's still points deducted but it's also not necessary.
Carplay is nice, I have it on my Harley, but at the end of the day I can ride just fine without it. Since I have absolutely no first hand knowledge of how the GM system works and I doubt many others have none as well I am not willing to pass judgment on it. However just understand that I have very few complaints about the interface in my Tesla and it all revolves around music selection but I have learned to just select playlists off my phone; it is ridiculous they do not have a full blown music app that can use the phone properly - again going back to the Harley, even without carplay activated I can browse my playlists and more through my bluetooth connection
That's where I'm at, if you haven't used the Google thing, wait until you do. Maybe it's great, maybe its terrible. I'll try it out on the test drive.
I tried. It can’t use my accounts so it’s literally useless. Sucks because I’d love the blazer EV otherwise.
Yeah I have CarPlay in my ICE truck, it's fine and all, but I don't miss it when I'm driving my Tesla. I can connect the phone via bluetooth if I want to access anything on there and texts/phone calls flow through the Tesla interface with no issue. Otherwise the Apple music app is on the native car system and works fine.
Dude. Not all of us are so spoiled and entitled. CarPlay is newer tech. Were used to not having it. There are other solutions. I understand people being unhappy with it not being included. But the amount of people using this as a non starter is seriously a mind fuck. Theres no fucking way it is that much of a game changer.
I know a lot of people complain about lack of carplay and it's overblown. I have both a Blazer EV and a Tesla and Bluetooth works fine. The Blazer includes 8 years of app connectivity which means I can readily use onboard apps and have traffic available for some time. Even when this services cease to exist, Bluetooth is a viable option. To add, because I'm not running an app on my phone with carplay, I can readily wirelessly charge.
Just a clarification that app connectivity is 3 years. Then $15/mo. Only Google Maps and Google Assistant is for 8 years.
Tesla is already charging $10 per month and what is the fuss about, essentially it is the network data cost which the manufacturer has to pay AT&T or Verizon
The fuss is that it’s free for every other car that has CarPlay or Android Auto.
99% of the time I am using google maps and spotify on my phone when on a drive. - I use google maps specify because it has the most accurate maps for my area and great offline support as well as saved locations. How is navigation handled on the Blazer? - Spotify can mostly be controlled by voice and probably is fine bluetooth only. There is no additional cost to me to use these functions from my phone which already has a large data plan.
I use Google Maps in my vehicle and works just as well as the phone. Can also ready use OK Google to navigate. I use offline maps on my vehicle as well (not that it's needed). I've navigated to a DC fast charger and would prep my car battery so it saves me from using two apps to navigate and ore condition (like you would have to on the Mach E). For Spotify, my Playlist sync to the vehicle and can ask Google to play a particular Playlist of needed. It doesn't resume from where my phone left off but I don't mind that.
Ok... but do you need to pay an additional FEE for that to work or is it tethered off your phone?
You can tether if you don't take a subscription for some reason
It's not tethered to a phone. It's Google Automative and a stand alone feature
BUT DOES IT REQUIRE ANOTHER SUBSCRIPTION!. That is why we like car play, it is just something you already paid for and it just ties the screen speakers and mic to your phone. I sure as hell do not need a subscription for my car.
Google maps is free for 8 years and then it's $15/ month. The data connectivity fee is really my biggest issue with this. Otherwise, it's nearly indistinguishable from Android Auto because it is android.
Evening but maps will after 3 years.
Google Maps works without a subscription (you just won't get live traffic)
So it doesn’t work.
I fail to see your argument here. Navigation works as my input tells me where I need to go without paying hence it doesn't require a subscription unless I want to enable an additional feature (traffic). This is different from let's say, Apple Music, where you can't use the application on it's own without a subscription and therefore does not work.
Navigation without realtime traffic is like a half product. Theres a reason no one uses Mapquest for directions anymore.
I’m perfectly fine with Bluetooth too. At least Tesla has good navigation but that would be a deal breaker if it didn’t.
This has good (Google) navigation too.
I believe it can be a slippery slope, With EV have the possibility last longer with ice cars. Who to say that they won’t to paywall everything that you normally use.
That’s exactly the plan. GM has publicly stated how many billions of dollars the expect to make off of charging you for functionality your phone gives you for free
I have a Lyriq and used CarPlay a lot in previous vehicles. I thought I would be using it all the time and was happy at the time that I was still going to get it; but I'm rarely using it now because even though it's buggy AF, the built-in google maps is still a lot nicer than the rectangle CarPlay view.
What about Apple text messages or Apple Music? Or iCal appointments? When j sit down in my Bolt EUV it automatically shows me directions to our dinner reservations or to my next meeting. Really want the equinox but we aren’t going to switch all of our families music just for a car.
Both cars have a Send to feature built into the car to prenavigate so that directions are loaded up without the need to input them.
Yes but that is going from pressing 0 buttons to unlocking your phone, opening mychevrolet, hitting the send button, then waiting for it to work. That is an objectively worse experience.
So it’s inferior and annoying. Got it.
It should be infinity years for that stuff. Bluetooth is fine is such a shit take. I'm sorry but that's stupid. Bluetooth sound degradation is real, even when using superior codecs. I don't know about car play, but with wireless Android Auto bluetooth is only the handshake protocol and all the data transfer happens over broadband Wi-Fi direct, so all you sound comes through a basically like bitstreaming.
I also own a Blazer EV, and I do not feel it’s overblown. You say you also own a Tesla, so you know how much the Chevy software sucks compared to what actually could be done. The 8 years of app connectivity is the reason why I decide to try it even without CarPlay, but I won’t do it again. GM is not a software company. Their apps are complete crap. The built in ones have finally gotten stable, but their functionality is generations behind Tesla, and not even as good as CarPlay. The only thing they have over CarPlay is knowledge of the vehicles charge status and the ability to find a charger when necessary and start preconditioning. The third-party selection is completely anemic with almost nothing of value being available. We can choose to blame GM, we can choose to blame Google, but in the end it was GM that I gave the money and GM is holding the responsibility. The fact of the matter is they removed a fantastic ecosystem and replaced it with crap. They did it in the name of safety, which is a joke. So I am definitely not anti-GM, but they made a huge mistake and I am seriously hoping they correct it before the next time anyone in my family needs to go vehicle shopping .
Car play can absolutely integrate to cover those gaps you mention. GM would rather charge you an obscene fee to use their inferior competing product.
Oh, it absolutely can. But currently it doesn’t in any vehicle that I’m aware of. I wasn’t 100% sure if it was part of the 1.0 spec if it’s something new and they announcing next week so I just left it out.
Even the knowledge of charge status can be had with current CarPlay. I have a 23 bolt with a BTLE OBD2 dongle, and with that I can sync to ABRP and it will predict my SOC at destination, which will update based on actual conditions. It can even adjust the trip plan on the fly if it predicts I won’t make it as far as originally planned
Do you expect the normal customer to be that technical, gm needs to make this as seamless as possible and not have people hack
>I know a lot of people complain about lack of carplay and it's overblown. For you. > I have both a Blazer EV and a Tesla and Bluetooth works fine. For you. This may come as a shock, but the vast majority of the people out there are not you, and therefore have different preferences.
I currently use a cassette to aux to dongle to iPhone connection for my car. Is the Blazer an upgrade? People seem to be pretty mad about how inconvenient it is.
It's a really cool looking car. My only gripe is that it's only $1000 less than a Model Y and yet has \*way\* less horsepower when you compare the AWD models, plus only 285 mile range vs 310 mile range, and that's on a larger 85.0kWh battery pack, meaning it gets far worse miles per kWh. Hard to justify the price point with such weak motors and inverters which are key components of an EV. Pros: looks and ?
The 1LT model is slated to be 35k before the tax credit so that would make it considerably cheaper than a model y.
That $35k price is for RWD 1LT, it says "AWD available" but it doesn't list the 1LT AWD price point nor the range. The min price for the available AWD models [on the builder](https://www.chevrolet.com/shopping/configurator/electric/2024/equinox-ev/equinox-ev/) is **$46,595** vs [the Model Y](https://www.tesla.com/modely/design#overview) LR AWD at **$47,990** before incentives. LR AWD Model Y = 514 hp **/** 364 lb-ft, 250 kW fast charging LR AWD Equinox EV = 288 hp / 346 lb-ft, 150 kW fast charging I just don't feel right recommending the Equinox to family. The Y is the clear winner.
The 1LT is coming later this year. Just like everyone else they release higher trims first before releasing the base model. [Here is a screenshot from their website ](https://i.imgur.com/BiBFew7.png)
I had high hopes for this car as l am a fan of the Bolt, but I test drove it and it was.. meh
Am I crazy or is this thing not even cheaper than the Model Y? I’m sure the “normal car” form factor will appeal to more people though.
Model Y starts at $46,630 after destination before any tax credit. The midtrim Equinox EV 2LT is $43,295 after destination before tax credit. The entry 1LT trim that is coming later this year is suppose to be $36,399 before tax credit. They all qualify for $7500 tax credit. So the Equinox EV will undercut the Model Y, buly quite a bit with the 1LT trim.
Oh if it’s $37k before tax credit that’s pretty huge.
The 1LT starts at $33,600 (+ $1,395 destination = $34,995). Minus the $7,500 federal point-of-sale rebate, that's **$27,495** https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/equinox-ev
I don’t even see a “1LT” at all when you go to build. It says “Starting at $41,900” right on that link you posted. EDIT: Nevermind it’s all the way at the bottom as “coming late 2024”.
Do you know if state sales tax is on the 33.6k or the 35k?
How much will an AWD 1LT be? About $40k?
AWD adds $3,300 to all trims, so $27,495 + $3,300 = **$30,795** https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/equinox-ev
As a retired newspaper guy, how can you trust a review from a dude who took a free flight and free hotel room from GM? A legitimate journalist would never accept such gifts. Don’t tell that such freebies don’t influence his review because of course they do or GM would not offer them.
Question is if GM is making money on it or it's a loss leader.
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No Apple CarPlay. That's a deal-breaker.
Please just make a sedan, fuck wasteful SUVs.
It's like 2 inches taller than a sedan. The Equinox EV is only an SUV in name. It's basically just a kind of long hatchback.
> It's basically just a kind of long hatchback. So a station wagon.
Pretty much. But now everything is called an SUV.
I was in one today. It's an SUV.
Is it not almost the exact same size as the ICE one? Thats an SUV.
Both are 65” tall. A Malibu is 57” tall. Less than a foot difference seems off to wring your hands over and virtue signal over some alleged air of wastefulness as u/piedude314 is.
Okay thats fair but I wasnt the one doing that.
Woops, yeah sorry, the mobile app is garbage and sometimes hard to see who you’re replying to.
All good.
This beast weighs 5000 lbs, about 1000-1500 lbs heavier than it should be. Way too big and tall, this is not what we need as a hatchback.
Okay, then don't buy it. Buy a Kona or wait for the Bolt to come back.
$43k (before dealer markups) for 319 miles of range and only 150kW DC charging. A model Y is $45k out the door for the same range and 250kW DC charging, plus the supercharger network. Frankly the 150kW DC rate alone is a deal breaker for me. Edit: All you replying to me about how charging rate doesn’t matter are absolutely off the mark. Maybe it doesn’t matter to you in your Nissan Leaf or Chevy Bolt, readers of r/electricvehicles and loyal EV enthusiasts. To an ICE driver on the fence about making the switch, speed and availability of charging *absolutely does matter*. It’s one of the primary anxieties about buying an EV. From a strictly value perspective, at this price point, this Equinox EV is dead on arrival. There’s already too much competition at this price point for what the Equinox delivers.
For me, the DC charging speed matters less than the time it takes to go from 10-80%. The difference is 10 min between the 2. For some, that’s a big deal. For others, not so much.
Wait til you learn about how they charge while you sleep!
Charged my EV while I slept last night, and it’s the best part of having an EV. That doesn’t mean I don’t still value DC charge rates when I’m driving more than 100 miles from my home.
To an ICE driver you need to realize that public level 3 chargers(150kw+) are not meant for daily/weekly use. They're for road tripping. If you can't charge at home, then you're gonna have a bad time. If you're charging at home, 150kw don't matter. If you travel over 200 miles often, then yeah look for a faster charger.
>model Y […] 250kW DC charging ^Offer ^only ^valid ^at ^10% ^state ^of ^charge https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3c77f540-c021-4b3c-b20d-c784a07bcd9b_802x502.png As with every claim from Tesla, it’s usually ‘technically true’ briefly and only under laboratory-like conditions that can’t be reproduced in actual operation.
that's how it goes for all EVs: the peak can only be reached at very low soc and under perfect conditions. But guess what: the equinox will also behave like that, but the high point will only be 150kW. Then it all depends on the charging curve, but tesla is pretty much middle of the pack. Was there already a test of the charging curve of the equinox?
Users have posted their charging curves in **/r/EquinoxEV**
I have a small battery EV and haven’t used a fast charger since August of last year. Fast charging capability isn’t the main selling point like you would like to believe.
Except the Tesla styling is bland and old. At least this EV has real buttons. Carplay is almost a deal breaker but after testing out a blazer aesthetically it's much better. Was going to buy a Model Y but I couldnt bring myself to do it because of the lack of physical controls and styling.
Not to mention the overall quality of a Tesla is pretty low.
Dealers aren't charging markups anymore. You're more likely to get it below MSRP than above, especially if the sales people don't mark you as a chump.
A home run in the little league, where GM plays in EV arena.
Wow, another American EV for 50 grand.
No wireless charger and that price… I’ll pass