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The Venn diagram of people who think they’re immune to Poison Ivy completely encircles the people who don’t actually know what poison ivy looks like.
Edit: Well I now know that a significant percentage of people actually don’t get an adverse reaction from poison ivy and it seems every single one of them replied to my comment. Thanks!
Most irritants/ allergens behave this way. I know ex-colleagues from work that developed (mild) exposition allergies to normally non-allergenic substances due to repeated exposition.
Went to trade school with a girl this happened to. She got a mild reaction to the chemicals typically used in that field about halfway through school. It just kept getting worse. A year later she was pushing to graduation KNOWING she couldn't work in the field probably ever, but she had come too far to walk away without finishing she said.
>KNOWING she couldn't work in the field probably ever, but she had come too far to walk away without finishing she said.
I feel this in my soul. In my last semester of undergrad, they tried telling me I couldn't finish my degree because I had never technically been admitted into my major program (my advisor massively fucked up). I sent so many emails that the Dean of Students either took pity on me or got sick of me and suddenly the problem was fixed, but... I now see why people write manifestos, that's all I'm saying.
Haha! This. I feel like this is getting worse and worse too.
Probably because workers don’t have enough rights… but someone already wrote *that* manifesto
I also know someone who developed an allergy to pretty much every protective glove she tried, a couple years into a chemistry PhD. Actually I thought the same was happening during my undergrad, but it thankfully turned out that gloves were just exacerbating a different trigger. Scary how sensitizer work.
I’ve got a friend who’s allergic to concrete and he’s in masonry. For the first two or three years of his career he’d have crazy blisters all over his arms but he didn’t seem to mind. He eventually got promoted to management so his hands aren’t in the dust all day everyday but it was crazy seeing him all the time with his forearms looking like they were splashed with acid
Same! Now I make bets with myself on the number of times a new doctor will tell me to take Motrin immediately after we’ve discussed it or after they read my chart.
I had one put a prescription suggestion note for a sulfa antibiotic right under the line he wrote where I mentioned I was allergic to sulfa antibiotics. But_why.gif
No no, it’s fine I like when my skin peels from hives over my whole body and I am a shivering broken mess. Fortunately that’s a relatively mild allergic response I’m not in instant death danger. The drug was topical for a surgery recovery on my eye. I actually didn’t know it was a sulfa drug until I put it on and my eye swelled up like I’d been punched or had super pink eye.
Unfortunately for some doctors it's probably just a habit, it's very common for people to claim allergies to OTC pain relief in an attempt to get a doctor to prescribe stronger stuff. I'm guessing it's not as common these days as everyone has cracked down on it but it definitely used to be the case which sucked for anyone who was actually in pain and legitimately allergic
I have a friend who is lethally allergic to so many things it's easier for him to list things that *don't* kill him. I remember him commenting that "the first hit is free", which is to say the first allergic reaction when he's testing new stuff isn't that bad, but bad enough he knows not to try again.
This made so much sense when my father in law told me this after my son was born. We started feeding him real foods basically as soon as the pediatrician gave the OK. It makes so much sense from an evolutionary standpoint. I was really worried about the foods known to have anaphylactic results.
I was like.. what do I do? Let him try peanut butter but have the car running? Do it in the hospital parking lot? He said the first round of allergies is nature's "warning shot". Otherwise food allergy related deaths would be sky high.
That's how the memory response of the immune system works.
The first time we're exposed to something which triggers the immune system, it's still kind of finding its way and trying to create specialized cells to combat the trigger. After the first response dies down, memory cells are created.
Next time you encounter the trigger, the memory cells recognize it and the immune system explodes.
And it should, because that's how you kill bacteria and virusses before they do any harm. The problem lies with autoimmune diseases and allergic responses where the immune system triggers on something which it shouldn't.
My list of allergies is extensive and really random. I hit some of the big ones like dust, mold, shellfish and latex, and miss others like peanuts, cats, and dogs.
I am allergic to sun chips and Cheetos, but no other chips, and the first time I ate sun chips I had 6-7 hives and thought it was something else like baby powder or something. The second time I ate sun chips though, I had over a hundred. Yeah, the first reaction it’s like your body is saying “Mmmm I don’t like that, don’t do that.” but the second it says “Didn’t we have this conversation? I’m bringing the artillery.”
A fellow beekeeper found this out the hard way. After many occasional stings with no reaction over several years he suddenly had a reaction. The doctor said that each consecutive sting will likely cause a more severe reaction. He suggested this sting could just be the warning shot and that it’s possible that the next sting could be the one that will kill him. There’s no way to know.
He sold his bee hives and now an epi pen is his constant companion.
I mean, they presumably told you to stop and you didn't listen to them (or sneaked around because you knew they wouldn't let you keep exposing yourself to poison ivy)
I’ve never been the type to accept rules without explanation. Best I ever got was “stop doing that you’ll scar.” Little boys don’t care about scars. Scars are cool. But if a trusted source had said “the more you do that the worse it gets” that’s enough reason to stop. That makes sense, that’s a good rule.
This. My god sometimes I just needed an explanation. I read that you can tell little kids the reason they go to their parents in the middle of the night when they see a monster in the shadow is that in the past, there *were* monsters in the shadow. We got rid of them and live in safe houses now, but your instincts don't know that, and are misfiring on house sounds thinking it's monster sounds. You're safe. You can tell kids this and it works.
And my god do I wish someone told me this anytime between the ages of 4 and 16. It just immediately evaporates any real fear because you understand the purpose of those feelings, and that that purpose doesn't apply. So, so different than "just don't be scared"
What. This is awesome, and im telling my 8 year old. I used to tell him I could beat up the monsters if they came around, and that I put magic spells on his stuffed animals so they would protect him when I wasn’t around. That worked, but he’s too old for it to work now. Thank you so much for this comment.
100% the same. Never accepted "because I said so" from anyone. It either makes sense to me and I do it, or it doesn't and I don't 🤷♂️ To balance that out though I'm very open to having my mind changed. If I don't get why someone is telling me to do or not do something but then they provide an acceptable explanation then cool I'm in. I'm not a stubborn asshole because I think I'm a genius or something, I just am lol.
It translates to my adult jobs. I’m very trainable and I learn very quickly, but I can’t be told “do this, this way” and nothing else. I like explanations of the step by step. Otherwise I’m going to think I’ve found a better way and I’m going to test it and I’m probably going to be wrong. But until I hit that a snag in my theory I’m not going to have that learning moment where I get to say “oh okay that’s why it’s not done this way.” And all that can be avoided with a simple breakdown during training versus “this is how we do it.” When I train at work I always walk through the steps and explain “it may seem like you could do xyz here, but later you’ll get set back on abc.”
THIS. Urishol is a normally harmless substance to fauna that, through a freak accident of nature, is tricking your human immune system into attacking your body. If you want to stay immune, avoid! Know what it looks like. try not to touch it. If you do at all, wash the area well with dish soap at the first opportunity. I was able to come away unscathed as a child despite a few immersive experiences, let's say. But I have always known and avoided poison ivy to the best of my ability. But even with all the precautions, after 30 years, I've begun to have a suspicion that accidental contact has caused a mild reaction on my ankles on occasion.
It’s a sensitization immune response too.
First exposure might not even produce a rash. But every subsequent exposure makes the immune response stronger.
That's what I'm afraid of lol
My friends and I frequently played in the woods when we were young, and I'm the only one who _never_ got poison ivy...
But I've also lived 20 years since then without encountering it :| maybe next time I see some I'll do a tiny test haha
I remember my friend getting it all over his face he said the Dr told him if it moved to his throat he could die. He never acted tough about poison ivy again.
Caught a catapiler as a kid and was going to go get it some lunch. Ended up picking buckets of poison oak. My whole body turned black and blue, swollen all over. When my family got me to the doctor, they immediately called cps. They'd never seen a case so bad and assumed my parents beat me into that state lol.
With poison ivy your tolerance goes down the more you are exposed to it.
https://www.backpacker.com/gear-reviews/can-you-build-immunity-to-poison-ivy-by-eating-it/
I can attest to this. I lived in the woods as a kid and had Poison Ivy, Poison Sumac, and Poison Oak so many times my parents thought I was running through them on purpose. I swear now all I have to do is breathe near one of them and my skin gets the tell-tale rash and itch.
Edit: sp
Way back when I was in basic training at Fort Benning, we had a guy get poison ivy, poison sumac, and poison oak at the same time....the medics were asking him how the hell he managed to get all 3.
Funny enough, I got Poison Ivy, Chicken Pox, and Scarlett Fever all at the same time when I was 8. I was in the hospital for two weeks because they thought I had some new disease with some of the conflicting symptoms. My mother always said I should live in a bubble because if it was "going around," there was a 90% chance I'd catch it. Thankfully, my immune system has perked up a bit in adulthood, but my skin is still an issue when it comes to any irritant (especially those pesky poisonous plants.) I'd imagine I've probably had more than one of those at once too without realizing it, but I just threw Calamine lotion and Aveeno products at them and called it a day. My arm is starting to itch right now just thinking about this.
My dad is one, I grew up watching him rip it out with his bare hands. Still does.
I do not share this same gene and wound up getting exposed to it a ton because he never thought twice about it. The first time we went fishing he sat me in a clump of it because it was a clean comfy place to sit on the bank.
My dad is the same way. He could roll around in that shit and it wouldn't bother him.
Unfortunately I inherited my mom's genes on that front, and she is insanely allergic to it.
Poison oak is also a thing, but a different thing than poison ivy. I think you are thinking of poison oak, because poison ivy leaves are jagged and pointy not curvy like oak leaves.
> poison ivy leaves are jagged and pointy
Relative to poison oak, yes! But one defining feature of poison ivy leaves is that they're never jagged in the sense of a sawtooth edge, like you see [on blackberry bushes](https://spoonuniversity.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1024,f=auto/https://s3.amazonaws.com/secretsaucefiles/photos/images/000/252/380/original/elizabeth-george-ZLglbZXdkso-unsplash.jpg?1690482807). So, it's kind of a smooth jagged, if that makes sense.
Just bear in mind that you’re still coming home covered in urushiol oil and anything you touch will get it on it and then anyone that touches you or something you touch will be in for weeks of suffering
When I was at college an American (I’m in the UK) said he was immune to poison ivy.
We don’t have it over here so my tutor specifically sourced some to try it on him. It turned out it didn’t affect him……it did the tutor though.
Oof. Yeah, it is POSSIBLE to be immune to poison Ivy… just not LIKELY… like I could be, I’ve never once gotten it despite growing up in an area where it was EVERYWHERE, everyone in my family had gotten it multiple times but not me, but you know what I’m NOT doing? Finding out.
We’d only ever heard of it through tv series over here (as someone has commented Stinging Nettles are common here). He said he’d fallen into them as a kid and was okay afterwards.
This was in a biology class about plants defences.
> it is POSSIBLE to be immune to poison Ivy… just not LIKELY
I mean a simple search says 10 to 15% of people are immune to it, so that's a pretty decent population size
>When I was at college an American (I’m in the UK) said he was immune to poison ivy.
>We don’t have it over here so my tutor specifically sourced some to try it on him. It turned out it didn’t affect him……it did the tutor though.
I worked on a landscaping crew in my youth. We found out that 6 out of the 8 employees were allergic to poison ivy.
It actually didn't use to bother me. I used to have to clear it from under my porch for my mom cause she was allergic. It has been a while, and I am 32, so I might have developed something. There is only one way to find out.
Age may be factor. I used to dump all the leaves and grass clippings (and retrieve baseballs, footballs, etc) in the woods because my brother was severely allergic. Never had a reaction as a child. Had my first reaction at college (age 21, I think).
I think it also has to do with amount of exposure. I can hand-pull a single vine with no issues. I try for #2 and I'll be getting a rash. More than that and I'll be hating life.
I mean there are actually people that are "immune" to it, it's just not common and is far more complicated than that. Even people who have never reacted to it before can react to it suddenly.
Also being in direct sunlight makes it way worse.
I have no clue what would give anyone the idea that they are immune when they aren't, other than just being wildly misinformed.
Is it possible all these people never actually interacted with Poison Ivy before, and just thought they did?
Like, I'm fairly confident I can handle poison ivy, it doesn't bother me... because there's a pretty big ocean between me and it
Not necessarily. Poison ivy doesn't bother people unless they're allergic. But you develop an allergy from repeated exposure, so eventually you will be if you're not careful.
Repeated exposure can cause a response. My son’s half brother works in forestry so come across poison oak regularly. He knew it was a matter of time before he gets a response. That time came last month. Now he’s one of us.
Turns out his ***immune system*** has some normal reactions to not being perfect and all powerful.
Why do people think being exposed will cure it later? We have thousand of years of people dying from viruses and bacterial invasions. If pure spite of will, exposure, *OuR ImMuNe SyStEm*, and tea tree oil cured it, we would know by now.
Hence the development of vaccines and antibiotics.
I think it’s the same reason why some people thought they were immune to Covid simply because they never got it, until they indeed got it. Then they thought they were immune because they got it.
I don’t know much about immunity. But, I don’t think that’s how it works. Doesn’t immunity mean when you’re expose to it that you don’t get it?
Well I sure fucking hope so... One life is already far longer than I care for. When I finally get to rest and sink into oblivion, then holy fucking hell don't try to be a monster and bring me back somehow...
The immune system can just straight up go rogue and one day decide that it's YOU that it is allergic to. That thing is in a dangerous and ever changing balance choosing what exactly constitutes a threat to your body. Just because it's part of you doesn't mean your "willpower" can stop it trying to kill you one day.
Correct. I actually am immune to poison ivy and poison oak. I can/have rubbed it all over myself many times to prove it. Never once had a reaction. I am allergic to pennecillin and pineapple, though, so life balances out
He's thinking it's like a vaccination. You are exposed to it once and that gives some immunity. He thought since he got it bad once he can't get it again, as there are some illnesses that are like that, like chickenpox (sort of)
>Doesn’t immunity mean when you’re expose to it that you don’t get it?
No. That's not what immunity is. When you get something, say a new bacterial or viral infection, you get ill because the bacteria or viruses reproduce at a significant rate, getting into many cells and wreaking havoc. But, if you don't die from it, you eventually recover. Because it was new to you, your body had not the foggiest idea how to deal with it so its response (binding the little fuckers, breaking them down, getting rid of the products) takes a long time. So you are ill for as long and the symptoms are severe. But, eventually, the body's immune system gets going. It develops antibodies which recognise and bind to the bacterial/viral cells, neutralising them or helping neutralising them.
Now, other bits of the immune system may be more important than antibodies in getting the immune reaction going, e.g. shingles. But in the vast majority of cases, production of antibodies which recognise the bacteria or viruses is central to the immune response.
Now that you have the ability to produce antibodies (in large quantities) for that specific bacteria/virus, the next time you get infected by that same bacteria/virus, you may still get ill, but the body's immune response will not be as slow, so you will be sick for a shorter period of time, and the symptoms may not be as severe.
Having gotten the infection the first time hasn't made you "immune". It just gave your body ammunition to deal with it faster and more efficiently.
This is what vaccines (the prophylactic kind) do. The vaccine injection introduce the body to a weakened form of the pathogen (or something mimicking it, or is surface proteins, or a dead one), weak in that it won't cause much illness/symptoms. The body sees this attack, develop the antibodies it needs (it had time, as this weakened "pathogen" isn't causing sickness) and voilà. When later on you get the real deal, the body is prepared, and Bob's your uncle.
The obvious caveat is that pathogens mutate. So one vaccine years ago won't cut it, coz antibodies for that pathogen may not be able to bind to the mutated pathogen, coz the little fucker, say, changed the binding site. If the key won't fit, those antibodies are useless. Which is why boosters or repeat vaccines (e.g. yearly flu vaccines) are a thing.
To be immune to something may mean different to student people. To me, it means you never get sick from getting it.
>Doesn’t impunity mean when you’re expose to it that you don’t get it?
Without going into the fine details which will likely be beyond both of us:
Yes-no.
If you've contracted an antigen (f.e. a virus), it can get detected by the immune system.
Imagine a specific virus as a sphere. On tve outside of the sphere are various small extrusions, the combination of which is unique to the virus.
After detection, the system will then initiate various actions to combat it - ranging from unnoticed local things (inhibition of further propagation, disabling of a viruses ability to express itself, generation of antibodies\*, inducing cell-death in infected cells and/or generally making the area less welcome, towards more systemic actions (increasing blood flow, fever, generally more drastic stuff which can also hurt your own cells).
After detection, it will also make a blueprint of the surface structure of your virus, and save these details. If you contract the *same* virus again later on, the system is able to react much sooner. They introduce the anti
Without much detail, vaccines generally aim to train your immune system so that it n notices a virus sooner, so the virus is given less time to spread and do damage. So if you have a fast-mutating virus your antibodies might not be effective for many generations, which can be a factor as to why prior exposure did not help as expected.
I am obviously simplifying **a lot** here.
\* the antibodies play a general important rule in combat. A virus is identified by how it looks on the surface. Imagine a sphere that is not perfectly flat in a _particular way_. Then imagine that the immune system notices 'hey, I don't think this shape of thing should be here, lets get rid of it', but it can only destroy it when the various immunity cells can dock to it. So you need a small object that binds to the highly specific surface of your virus, and also have a very general second end to which the immune system cells can dock.
Tl;dr: here is an amazing music video that goes over the process in some detail https://youtu.be/RFE8HQKpPlI?si=QkV0VRqkgmqUpKV8. Pausing may help a bit when it is fast-paced, but it explains things on a pretty simple level, while being surprisingly extensive.
Sidenote: this channel is amazing, and I *definitely, absolutely* recommend going through its/Tim's catalogue.
I also don’t think this is how poison ivy works. This is like saying that exposure can stop your reaction to capsaicin. Poison Ivy is an irritant. Your skin will always react to it. You can’t “build-up” an immunity the same way you can’t build-up an immunity to sandpaper rubbing your skin raw. There’s a reason it spreads through further skin contact and not blood circulation or something.
You are not allergic to poison ivy/oak the first time. When you do become allergic, your body will essentially react every time, barring your immune system forgetting the experience.
The main cause of the reaction is Urushiol. Once urushiol has penetrated the skin, attempting to remove it with water is ineffective. After being absorbed by the skin, it is recognized by the immune system's dendritic cells, otherwise called Langerhans cells. These cells then migrate to the lymph nodes, where they present the urushiol to T-lymphocytes and thus recruit them to the skin, and the T-lymphocytes cause pathology through the production of cytokines and cytotoxic damage to the skin. This causes the painful rash, blisters, and itching.
Also another fun fact poison ivy, oak, sumac belong to the Anacardiaceae family. This also includes… mango, pistachio, and cashew!
Yep! I learned the hard way by eating a bunch of mangoes in West Africa over a decade ago. It was awful. I then claimed I was allergic to West African Mangoes since I never had an allergic reaction to them elsewhere. It turns out that it’s absolutely the flesh that gets you (I had a bad reaction in the USA last year). Ugh. 😩
For me it's the skin. As long as my wife peals them, I can enjoy delicious mango. But yeah the skin makes me break out like poison ivy, which I am very sensitive to.
Ant he motivated People to send Treaths to Hospitals. Some had to change Phone Number because of that, and I belife some Bombtreaths where made to.
That guy is human Scum.
Walsh is immune to the idea that there are concepts in reality that are beyond his ability to understand. If he can’t grasp and idea and shove it through the narrow hole he sees the world through, it’s a falsehood or a lie and you must be stupid according to him to see it any other way.
Ultimately he’s a very insecure man who’s 15 minutes of fame is based entirely on him latching on to peoples’ confusion about trans folk. He insists it must be a lie and a conspiracy because it doesn’t align with the last thing he learned and understood about sex, which was binary chromosomes in middle school.
As you say, it’s very telling that on this subject and other subjects on which we have a lot of scientific research and experts in the field presenting very nuanced and complex explanations and recommendations, that Walsh will come in and say “No, that’s stupid, the world is very simple and I’m right. If you don’t agree with me you’re a monster who wants to hurt children.”
I had a bad Staph infection when I was a Freshman in High School.
I have often bragged that I'm immune to bacterial infections because I'm a fucking idiot.
I was in a bad car wreck in high school. Ended up with a few broken bones. Every wreck I've been in since I haven't broken a thing. Thusly, I am now immune to car wrecks.
Fucking idiot never went out in the woods except for those two times. I grew up in the woods, poison oak isn't like chicken pox where you're immune after you get it once.
Some people are less affected by it but with repeated exposure( especially to sensitive areas) it will eventually cause a reaction. A friend of mine rubbed it all over his arms repeatedly and was fine but when we dared him to rub it on his crotch he ended up hospitalized and needed several cortisone shots.
Fuck poison oak. That shit tried to kill me once. My face was peeling off exposing raw, unprotected flesh. My throat nearly closed up. An entire month of my summer was ruined. Fuck that shit.
Fun fact, you can actually get chicken pox twice, it’s just super rare. And I don’t mean having chicken pox as a kid and then shingles later as an adult.
When I was a kid I had chicken pox, not too bad, just a few sores, out of school for a week, thought all was good. Then about six months later I got it again.
The doctor said it was the worst case of chicken pox he’d ever seen. Just on one leg from my ankle to my thigh I had nearly 200 pox. I still have some scarring.
Needless to say, when I had kids of my own I made damn sure they got the chicken pox vaccine.
Ok my top three options are
1. Stupid covid metaphor
2. Stupid political metaphor
3. Bro just actually poison ivy'd himself because he doesn't understand how immunity, plants or evidence based conclusions work and thought that would be a good thing to tweet about.
Well damn. I think he should go test this again. I’ve heard it really takes two episodes and then you’re safe forever.
^(This is bad advice, don’t do it.)
Immunity does exist. About 10-15% of the population has a resistance to urushiol (the active ingredient in poison ivy that makes us itchy and scratchy), so some definitely are. However, the more they're exposed, the more likely that resistance will wear off.
I once got in a fight with a friend as a kid and we ended up rolling around in poison ivy. He was covered in rashes head to toe. It had no effect on me whatsoever.
That said, while I might have been immune, I have never felt the need to test that theory. Seems pretty stupid to take the risk just to "brag" about a random immunity. Besides, the way our bodies can change in life, it's possible I was immune then but am no longer.
https://www.pbsnc.org/blogs/science/poison-ivy-and-its-pals-some-common-myths/
We have to figure out how to test it haha
My grandpa was “immune”, and out of 18 cousins one other is “immune”. They actively can touch it, and not react, they’re still careful though. Family of hunters and outdoors folks so it was super common.
I have been in and around poison ivy my whole life. I weed wack it regularly in my yard and have never once reacted.
I’m too scared(smart lol) to actually test it though.
I figure if I treat poison ivy like it’s fuckin poison ivy, I’ll be fine haha.
This self perpetuating chain of self determined ignorance just keeps on ticking forward. Them being so forthright about this is either trolling and some of us are starting to pray for an asteroid.
To truly develop immunity, he needs to smoke a small amount of poison ivy.
Edit: before anyone tries this, smoking poison ivy or any urushiol can cause lung scarring and inflammation and potentially kill you.
Ironically there is a product called oral ivy. I've used it, no clue if it actually works but any time I get poison ivy, which in my job is a lot, I only get a single dot of it and it doesn't spread. As a kid I got it bad though.
Nice one Matt. You were wrong and learnt your lesson. Now apply that lesson to every other thought in your head. Might even get you close to being a decent person one day.
if this were like, nearly anyone else, I would feel bad
but its not just anyone, its Matt Walsh
I hope he gets poison Ivy all over where the sun dont shine
I want this man to suffer <3
I got poison ivy all over my dick and balls when I was a teenager. ALL. OVER. It's a fate I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. Matt Walsh, though, is another story. Fuck that guy. I hope he spends his weekend gingerly dipping his ball bag in to a tub of calamine lotion and writhing in discomfort.
People can get more sensitive to it over time as they are exposed to it.. makes you seem immune at first but once your body is aware the next time you make contact you get the rash from it.
[https://www.healthline.com/health/poison-ivy-immunity#immunity](https://www.healthline.com/health/poison-ivy-immunity#immunity)
With that being said I hope the prick got it real bad.
Evidence that Matt Walsh fundamentally does not understand how biology works so he shouldn't be putting out dumbass documentaries about gender identity.
So Matt Walsh came up with an opinion based on absolutely nothing and ran with it like it was true without doing any kind of research to see if it was based in any kind of reality?
... that's not like him 🤔
Ah yes, cause an *irritation* from poison Ivy sap on the skin, is comparable to a virus of bacteria *infection* in the blood stream.
Irritations cannot be "immune" due to exposure like viruses and bacteria.
I know he wants to discredit vaccines by saying exposure doesn't make you immune to poison ivy, so it doesn't work with viruses and bacteria.
But unlike something like irritation or like a stab wound, you don't become immune, cause those are either outside forces or single chemicals that cause issues.
Viruses and bacteria *need* to rely on cells in your body to reproduce and spread. So exposure to those helps your body detect and kill those first. But your body cannot do that to single chemicals like poison ivy sap.
What’s even more funny is you can’t develop immunity because its actually your immune system that causes the poison ivy reaction. Technically, it is a Type IV cell mediated hypersensitivity, which in lay terms is a type of allergic reaction.
So, in an allergy, your immune system attacks something harmless and the immune activity itself is what causes you to feel so bad. In an infection where you have pre-existing immunity, your immune system attacks something harmful which prevents you from feeling bad.
I feel like this post is probably a "Look, I'm not immune to poison ivy after getting it before, therefore immunity in general is a lie, and the government is evil for pushing vaccines on us!" post.
This is clearly an anti-vax post. He just does a shitty job of making his point, but he is comparing poison ivy to vaccines.
Seems like a reach, but look who tweeted it
There certainly is some degree of immunity out there. Well I think it is just lack of a common allergic reaction
But I have done enough garden work to see a few guys manhandle it with no consequence
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I'm a land surveyor. Every new field tech I hired claimed poison ivy didn't bother them. None of them were right.
The Venn diagram of people who think they’re immune to Poison Ivy completely encircles the people who don’t actually know what poison ivy looks like. Edit: Well I now know that a significant percentage of people actually don’t get an adverse reaction from poison ivy and it seems every single one of them replied to my comment. Thanks!
And people who legitimately are often eventually lose that immunity- or only had a mild reaction they didn’t relate to poison ivy.
Repeated exposure to urushiol actually causes more severe reactions instead of building immunity.
Most irritants/ allergens behave this way. I know ex-colleagues from work that developed (mild) exposition allergies to normally non-allergenic substances due to repeated exposition.
Went to trade school with a girl this happened to. She got a mild reaction to the chemicals typically used in that field about halfway through school. It just kept getting worse. A year later she was pushing to graduation KNOWING she couldn't work in the field probably ever, but she had come too far to walk away without finishing she said.
>KNOWING she couldn't work in the field probably ever, but she had come too far to walk away without finishing she said. I feel this in my soul. In my last semester of undergrad, they tried telling me I couldn't finish my degree because I had never technically been admitted into my major program (my advisor massively fucked up). I sent so many emails that the Dean of Students either took pity on me or got sick of me and suddenly the problem was fixed, but... I now see why people write manifestos, that's all I'm saying.
My Manifesto is titled The amount of problems that could be fixed by people doing their job is too damn high.
I would probably title mine, "Nobody Wants to Take Accountability When They Fuck Shit Up and How it's Ruining Society".
That’s a thesis
Haha! This. I feel like this is getting worse and worse too. Probably because workers don’t have enough rights… but someone already wrote *that* manifesto
There is a serious training and education problem. Both before the job field and in every job field. By design.
Reminds me of the time i saw a fresh street white line painted right over roadkill
I also know someone who developed an allergy to pretty much every protective glove she tried, a couple years into a chemistry PhD. Actually I thought the same was happening during my undergrad, but it thankfully turned out that gloves were just exacerbating a different trigger. Scary how sensitizer work.
I’ve got a friend who’s allergic to concrete and he’s in masonry. For the first two or three years of his career he’d have crazy blisters all over his arms but he didn’t seem to mind. He eventually got promoted to management so his hands aren’t in the dust all day everyday but it was crazy seeing him all the time with his forearms looking like they were splashed with acid
Probably allergic to portland cement, which is a main ingredient in both concrete and mortar.
That’s how my allergy to NSAIDs went.
Same! Now I make bets with myself on the number of times a new doctor will tell me to take Motrin immediately after we’ve discussed it or after they read my chart.
I had one put a prescription suggestion note for a sulfa antibiotic right under the line he wrote where I mentioned I was allergic to sulfa antibiotics. But_why.gif
And that is why pharmacies exist
Damn, that’s terrifying. I’ve had a really bad sulfa allergy since childhood and that is the stuff of nightmares.
No no, it’s fine I like when my skin peels from hives over my whole body and I am a shivering broken mess. Fortunately that’s a relatively mild allergic response I’m not in instant death danger. The drug was topical for a surgery recovery on my eye. I actually didn’t know it was a sulfa drug until I put it on and my eye swelled up like I’d been punched or had super pink eye.
Unfortunately for some doctors it's probably just a habit, it's very common for people to claim allergies to OTC pain relief in an attempt to get a doctor to prescribe stronger stuff. I'm guessing it's not as common these days as everyone has cracked down on it but it definitely used to be the case which sucked for anyone who was actually in pain and legitimately allergic
That's how my allergy to colleagues from work went.
Scientists who work with cockroaches often become allergic to cockroaches. And instant coffee.
Exposition is explaining things in dialogue. Perhaps you mean exposure?
I have a friend who is lethally allergic to so many things it's easier for him to list things that *don't* kill him. I remember him commenting that "the first hit is free", which is to say the first allergic reaction when he's testing new stuff isn't that bad, but bad enough he knows not to try again.
This made so much sense when my father in law told me this after my son was born. We started feeding him real foods basically as soon as the pediatrician gave the OK. It makes so much sense from an evolutionary standpoint. I was really worried about the foods known to have anaphylactic results. I was like.. what do I do? Let him try peanut butter but have the car running? Do it in the hospital parking lot? He said the first round of allergies is nature's "warning shot". Otherwise food allergy related deaths would be sky high.
That's how the memory response of the immune system works. The first time we're exposed to something which triggers the immune system, it's still kind of finding its way and trying to create specialized cells to combat the trigger. After the first response dies down, memory cells are created. Next time you encounter the trigger, the memory cells recognize it and the immune system explodes. And it should, because that's how you kill bacteria and virusses before they do any harm. The problem lies with autoimmune diseases and allergic responses where the immune system triggers on something which it shouldn't.
This was how we discovered my daughters allergy to strawberries
My list of allergies is extensive and really random. I hit some of the big ones like dust, mold, shellfish and latex, and miss others like peanuts, cats, and dogs. I am allergic to sun chips and Cheetos, but no other chips, and the first time I ate sun chips I had 6-7 hives and thought it was something else like baby powder or something. The second time I ate sun chips though, I had over a hundred. Yeah, the first reaction it’s like your body is saying “Mmmm I don’t like that, don’t do that.” but the second it says “Didn’t we have this conversation? I’m bringing the artillery.”
A fellow beekeeper found this out the hard way. After many occasional stings with no reaction over several years he suddenly had a reaction. The doctor said that each consecutive sting will likely cause a more severe reaction. He suggested this sting could just be the warning shot and that it’s possible that the next sting could be the one that will kill him. There’s no way to know. He sold his bee hives and now an epi pen is his constant companion.
That is good to know. Thank you.
Exactly. Everybody has a threshold. Once you reach it, boom. And then it’s more severe every time after.
I wish someone had told me this as a kid because I actively tried to build immunity through exposure. Now I’m just more severely allergic lol
I mean, they presumably told you to stop and you didn't listen to them (or sneaked around because you knew they wouldn't let you keep exposing yourself to poison ivy)
I’ve never been the type to accept rules without explanation. Best I ever got was “stop doing that you’ll scar.” Little boys don’t care about scars. Scars are cool. But if a trusted source had said “the more you do that the worse it gets” that’s enough reason to stop. That makes sense, that’s a good rule.
This. My god sometimes I just needed an explanation. I read that you can tell little kids the reason they go to their parents in the middle of the night when they see a monster in the shadow is that in the past, there *were* monsters in the shadow. We got rid of them and live in safe houses now, but your instincts don't know that, and are misfiring on house sounds thinking it's monster sounds. You're safe. You can tell kids this and it works. And my god do I wish someone told me this anytime between the ages of 4 and 16. It just immediately evaporates any real fear because you understand the purpose of those feelings, and that that purpose doesn't apply. So, so different than "just don't be scared"
What. This is awesome, and im telling my 8 year old. I used to tell him I could beat up the monsters if they came around, and that I put magic spells on his stuffed animals so they would protect him when I wasn’t around. That worked, but he’s too old for it to work now. Thank you so much for this comment.
100% the same. Never accepted "because I said so" from anyone. It either makes sense to me and I do it, or it doesn't and I don't 🤷♂️ To balance that out though I'm very open to having my mind changed. If I don't get why someone is telling me to do or not do something but then they provide an acceptable explanation then cool I'm in. I'm not a stubborn asshole because I think I'm a genius or something, I just am lol.
It translates to my adult jobs. I’m very trainable and I learn very quickly, but I can’t be told “do this, this way” and nothing else. I like explanations of the step by step. Otherwise I’m going to think I’ve found a better way and I’m going to test it and I’m probably going to be wrong. But until I hit that a snag in my theory I’m not going to have that learning moment where I get to say “oh okay that’s why it’s not done this way.” And all that can be avoided with a simple breakdown during training versus “this is how we do it.” When I train at work I always walk through the steps and explain “it may seem like you could do xyz here, but later you’ll get set back on abc.”
THIS. Urishol is a normally harmless substance to fauna that, through a freak accident of nature, is tricking your human immune system into attacking your body. If you want to stay immune, avoid! Know what it looks like. try not to touch it. If you do at all, wash the area well with dish soap at the first opportunity. I was able to come away unscathed as a child despite a few immersive experiences, let's say. But I have always known and avoided poison ivy to the best of my ability. But even with all the precautions, after 30 years, I've begun to have a suspicion that accidental contact has caused a mild reaction on my ankles on occasion.
Imagine my annoyance when I realized MANGO SKIN has urushiol in it.
It’s a sensitization immune response too. First exposure might not even produce a rash. But every subsequent exposure makes the immune response stronger.
That's what I'm afraid of lol My friends and I frequently played in the woods when we were young, and I'm the only one who _never_ got poison ivy... But I've also lived 20 years since then without encountering it :| maybe next time I see some I'll do a tiny test haha
I remember my friend getting it all over his face he said the Dr told him if it moved to his throat he could die. He never acted tough about poison ivy again.
Caught a catapiler as a kid and was going to go get it some lunch. Ended up picking buckets of poison oak. My whole body turned black and blue, swollen all over. When my family got me to the doctor, they immediately called cps. They'd never seen a case so bad and assumed my parents beat me into that state lol.
Ngl I thought this was gonna be a story about a venomous caterpillar that caused your arm to go necrotic or some shit.
Eek! Yeah, my buddy got huge blisters. New fear unlocked lol
With poison ivy your tolerance goes down the more you are exposed to it. https://www.backpacker.com/gear-reviews/can-you-build-immunity-to-poison-ivy-by-eating-it/
I can attest to this. I lived in the woods as a kid and had Poison Ivy, Poison Sumac, and Poison Oak so many times my parents thought I was running through them on purpose. I swear now all I have to do is breathe near one of them and my skin gets the tell-tale rash and itch. Edit: sp
Way back when I was in basic training at Fort Benning, we had a guy get poison ivy, poison sumac, and poison oak at the same time....the medics were asking him how the hell he managed to get all 3.
Funny enough, I got Poison Ivy, Chicken Pox, and Scarlett Fever all at the same time when I was 8. I was in the hospital for two weeks because they thought I had some new disease with some of the conflicting symptoms. My mother always said I should live in a bubble because if it was "going around," there was a 90% chance I'd catch it. Thankfully, my immune system has perked up a bit in adulthood, but my skin is still an issue when it comes to any irritant (especially those pesky poisonous plants.) I'd imagine I've probably had more than one of those at once too without realizing it, but I just threw Calamine lotion and Aveeno products at them and called it a day. My arm is starting to itch right now just thinking about this.
Yeah after 40 years of tree work my father gets such bad reactions now that it will take him out of work for weeks of misery.
Same story for me. Got my first reaction at 45 years old...not good.
I used to be immune and now I absolutely am not.
She looks Hot! She's from Batman, right?
There are people who are legitly immune to it. Not sure how big a percentage it is, but it does exist
My dad is one, I grew up watching him rip it out with his bare hands. Still does. I do not share this same gene and wound up getting exposed to it a ton because he never thought twice about it. The first time we went fishing he sat me in a clump of it because it was a clean comfy place to sit on the bank.
My dad is the same way. He could roll around in that shit and it wouldn't bother him. Unfortunately I inherited my mom's genes on that front, and she is insanely allergic to it.
Yes it’s a real thing for around 15% of people. Some people just think that because *they* don’t have immunity then it must be made up.
Only if you choose to exclude the 15% of the population who actually *are* immune….
Yeah I was about to say, I think I'm immune. I have it in my yard and walk barefoot through it all the time without issue
It looks aggressive oak leaves right?
Leaves a of three leave it be. They look kinda mitten shaped
Poison oak is also a thing, but a different thing than poison ivy. I think you are thinking of poison oak, because poison ivy leaves are jagged and pointy not curvy like oak leaves.
> poison ivy leaves are jagged and pointy Relative to poison oak, yes! But one defining feature of poison ivy leaves is that they're never jagged in the sense of a sawtooth edge, like you see [on blackberry bushes](https://spoonuniversity.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1024,f=auto/https://s3.amazonaws.com/secretsaucefiles/photos/images/000/252/380/original/elizabeth-george-ZLglbZXdkso-unsplash.jpg?1690482807). So, it's kind of a smooth jagged, if that makes sense.
I'm immune and my uncle Bob told me poison ivy kills the ticks, so I'm just gonna wade into this scrub, boss!
Just bear in mind that you’re still coming home covered in urushiol oil and anything you touch will get it on it and then anyone that touches you or something you touch will be in for weeks of suffering
But no ticks, per Uncle Bob!
When I was at college an American (I’m in the UK) said he was immune to poison ivy. We don’t have it over here so my tutor specifically sourced some to try it on him. It turned out it didn’t affect him……it did the tutor though.
Oof. Yeah, it is POSSIBLE to be immune to poison Ivy… just not LIKELY… like I could be, I’ve never once gotten it despite growing up in an area where it was EVERYWHERE, everyone in my family had gotten it multiple times but not me, but you know what I’m NOT doing? Finding out.
We’d only ever heard of it through tv series over here (as someone has commented Stinging Nettles are common here). He said he’d fallen into them as a kid and was okay afterwards. This was in a biology class about plants defences.
> it is POSSIBLE to be immune to poison Ivy… just not LIKELY I mean a simple search says 10 to 15% of people are immune to it, so that's a pretty decent population size
Nettles tho. 😢
>When I was at college an American (I’m in the UK) said he was immune to poison ivy. >We don’t have it over here so my tutor specifically sourced some to try it on him. It turned out it didn’t affect him……it did the tutor though. I worked on a landscaping crew in my youth. We found out that 6 out of the 8 employees were allergic to poison ivy.
It actually didn't use to bother me. I used to have to clear it from under my porch for my mom cause she was allergic. It has been a while, and I am 32, so I might have developed something. There is only one way to find out.
Age may be factor. I used to dump all the leaves and grass clippings (and retrieve baseballs, footballs, etc) in the woods because my brother was severely allergic. Never had a reaction as a child. Had my first reaction at college (age 21, I think).
I think it also has to do with amount of exposure. I can hand-pull a single vine with no issues. I try for #2 and I'll be getting a rash. More than that and I'll be hating life.
Maybe it's like hair dye. You can use it for decades and be fine and then one day it just decides to attack you
I mean there are actually people that are "immune" to it, it's just not common and is far more complicated than that. Even people who have never reacted to it before can react to it suddenly. Also being in direct sunlight makes it way worse. I have no clue what would give anyone the idea that they are immune when they aren't, other than just being wildly misinformed.
Is it possible all these people never actually interacted with Poison Ivy before, and just thought they did? Like, I'm fairly confident I can handle poison ivy, it doesn't bother me... because there's a pretty big ocean between me and it
Could you please be more Pacific?
Not necessarily. Poison ivy doesn't bother people unless they're allergic. But you develop an allergy from repeated exposure, so eventually you will be if you're not careful.
Wait, can you explain how they thought that???
Repeated exposure can cause a response. My son’s half brother works in forestry so come across poison oak regularly. He knew it was a matter of time before he gets a response. That time came last month. Now he’s one of us.
I hear this from almost every young person.
I've never heard anyone ever say this.
Well, if you got a bad case of it then I don’t see how you can be immune.
Turns out his ***immune system*** has some normal reactions to not being perfect and all powerful. Why do people think being exposed will cure it later? We have thousand of years of people dying from viruses and bacterial invasions. If pure spite of will, exposure, *OuR ImMuNe SyStEm*, and tea tree oil cured it, we would know by now. Hence the development of vaccines and antibiotics.
I think it’s the same reason why some people thought they were immune to Covid simply because they never got it, until they indeed got it. Then they thought they were immune because they got it. I don’t know much about immunity. But, I don’t think that’s how it works. Doesn’t immunity mean when you’re expose to it that you don’t get it?
Yup. I’m immune to death. Never died yet, 100% success rate at living.
I am sorry but that just sounds like a terminal case of being alive. My condolences
r/meirl
Thanks, it’s a chronic disease I was born with.
Immortal so far, been saying that for years.
To be fair, after you get dead for realz once you shouldn't get it a second time
Well I sure fucking hope so... One life is already far longer than I care for. When I finally get to rest and sink into oblivion, then holy fucking hell don't try to be a monster and bring me back somehow...
You can sometimes get things and be asymptomatic. But pure will and belief in the incredibly delicate human immune system is misguided.
The immune system can just straight up go rogue and one day decide that it's YOU that it is allergic to. That thing is in a dangerous and ever changing balance choosing what exactly constitutes a threat to your body. Just because it's part of you doesn't mean your "willpower" can stop it trying to kill you one day.
Correct. I actually am immune to poison ivy and poison oak. I can/have rubbed it all over myself many times to prove it. Never once had a reaction. I am allergic to pennecillin and pineapple, though, so life balances out
No. Immunity and impunity are a bit different. Thanks for the laugh though
He's thinking it's like a vaccination. You are exposed to it once and that gives some immunity. He thought since he got it bad once he can't get it again, as there are some illnesses that are like that, like chickenpox (sort of)
He's just stupid lol
Except that with Poison Ivy it’s closer to taking a stroll in the rain and expecting not to get wet because you got wet once during a downpour. 🤔
>Doesn’t immunity mean when you’re expose to it that you don’t get it? No. That's not what immunity is. When you get something, say a new bacterial or viral infection, you get ill because the bacteria or viruses reproduce at a significant rate, getting into many cells and wreaking havoc. But, if you don't die from it, you eventually recover. Because it was new to you, your body had not the foggiest idea how to deal with it so its response (binding the little fuckers, breaking them down, getting rid of the products) takes a long time. So you are ill for as long and the symptoms are severe. But, eventually, the body's immune system gets going. It develops antibodies which recognise and bind to the bacterial/viral cells, neutralising them or helping neutralising them. Now, other bits of the immune system may be more important than antibodies in getting the immune reaction going, e.g. shingles. But in the vast majority of cases, production of antibodies which recognise the bacteria or viruses is central to the immune response. Now that you have the ability to produce antibodies (in large quantities) for that specific bacteria/virus, the next time you get infected by that same bacteria/virus, you may still get ill, but the body's immune response will not be as slow, so you will be sick for a shorter period of time, and the symptoms may not be as severe. Having gotten the infection the first time hasn't made you "immune". It just gave your body ammunition to deal with it faster and more efficiently. This is what vaccines (the prophylactic kind) do. The vaccine injection introduce the body to a weakened form of the pathogen (or something mimicking it, or is surface proteins, or a dead one), weak in that it won't cause much illness/symptoms. The body sees this attack, develop the antibodies it needs (it had time, as this weakened "pathogen" isn't causing sickness) and voilà. When later on you get the real deal, the body is prepared, and Bob's your uncle. The obvious caveat is that pathogens mutate. So one vaccine years ago won't cut it, coz antibodies for that pathogen may not be able to bind to the mutated pathogen, coz the little fucker, say, changed the binding site. If the key won't fit, those antibodies are useless. Which is why boosters or repeat vaccines (e.g. yearly flu vaccines) are a thing. To be immune to something may mean different to student people. To me, it means you never get sick from getting it.
>Doesn’t impunity mean when you’re expose to it that you don’t get it? Without going into the fine details which will likely be beyond both of us: Yes-no. If you've contracted an antigen (f.e. a virus), it can get detected by the immune system. Imagine a specific virus as a sphere. On tve outside of the sphere are various small extrusions, the combination of which is unique to the virus. After detection, the system will then initiate various actions to combat it - ranging from unnoticed local things (inhibition of further propagation, disabling of a viruses ability to express itself, generation of antibodies\*, inducing cell-death in infected cells and/or generally making the area less welcome, towards more systemic actions (increasing blood flow, fever, generally more drastic stuff which can also hurt your own cells). After detection, it will also make a blueprint of the surface structure of your virus, and save these details. If you contract the *same* virus again later on, the system is able to react much sooner. They introduce the anti Without much detail, vaccines generally aim to train your immune system so that it n notices a virus sooner, so the virus is given less time to spread and do damage. So if you have a fast-mutating virus your antibodies might not be effective for many generations, which can be a factor as to why prior exposure did not help as expected. I am obviously simplifying **a lot** here. \* the antibodies play a general important rule in combat. A virus is identified by how it looks on the surface. Imagine a sphere that is not perfectly flat in a _particular way_. Then imagine that the immune system notices 'hey, I don't think this shape of thing should be here, lets get rid of it', but it can only destroy it when the various immunity cells can dock to it. So you need a small object that binds to the highly specific surface of your virus, and also have a very general second end to which the immune system cells can dock. Tl;dr: here is an amazing music video that goes over the process in some detail https://youtu.be/RFE8HQKpPlI?si=QkV0VRqkgmqUpKV8. Pausing may help a bit when it is fast-paced, but it explains things on a pretty simple level, while being surprisingly extensive. Sidenote: this channel is amazing, and I *definitely, absolutely* recommend going through its/Tim's catalogue.
I also don’t think this is how poison ivy works. This is like saying that exposure can stop your reaction to capsaicin. Poison Ivy is an irritant. Your skin will always react to it. You can’t “build-up” an immunity the same way you can’t build-up an immunity to sandpaper rubbing your skin raw. There’s a reason it spreads through further skin contact and not blood circulation or something.
Maybe not the best example - you can absolutely build a tolerance to capsaicin.
> Poison Ivy is an irritant. It's not an irritant, it's an allergen.
You are not allergic to poison ivy/oak the first time. When you do become allergic, your body will essentially react every time, barring your immune system forgetting the experience.
The main cause of the reaction is Urushiol. Once urushiol has penetrated the skin, attempting to remove it with water is ineffective. After being absorbed by the skin, it is recognized by the immune system's dendritic cells, otherwise called Langerhans cells. These cells then migrate to the lymph nodes, where they present the urushiol to T-lymphocytes and thus recruit them to the skin, and the T-lymphocytes cause pathology through the production of cytokines and cytotoxic damage to the skin. This causes the painful rash, blisters, and itching. Also another fun fact poison ivy, oak, sumac belong to the Anacardiaceae family. This also includes… mango, pistachio, and cashew!
Yep! I learned the hard way by eating a bunch of mangoes in West Africa over a decade ago. It was awful. I then claimed I was allergic to West African Mangoes since I never had an allergic reaction to them elsewhere. It turns out that it’s absolutely the flesh that gets you (I had a bad reaction in the USA last year). Ugh. 😩
For me it's the skin. As long as my wife peals them, I can enjoy delicious mango. But yeah the skin makes me break out like poison ivy, which I am very sensitive to.
maybe because it is not a virus or infection but the oil in the plant is a skin irritant which is outside of you as opposed to being in your body
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Because he can't tell the difference between and allergic reaction and a virus
These are the people who think they are smarter than doctors, of course they dont make sense
This guy believes that therapy makes you trans. So yeah, he's not the smartest among us.
Therapy makes us trans? Damn, I have a lot to discuss with my therapist at our next appointment. :P
Big therapy is out to get us
I once told my psychiatrist she was bought out by Big Pharma. She told me I was being paranoid again so she refilled my prescriptions.
Exactly what a psychiatrist bought out by big therapy would say
It's true. Also water makes you trans. Every trans person has drank water at least once in their life. Checkmate atheists.
damn water is turning the frogs trans!! 😡
“Doc, I’ve been coming here for **years**!! Why do I still have a dick, and even worse, why do I **like it**??”
Still not the worst thing Wet Mulch... sorry... Matt Walsch has said. He openly admits to being a fascist, he's proud of it...
Ant he motivated People to send Treaths to Hospitals. Some had to change Phone Number because of that, and I belife some Bombtreaths where made to. That guy is human Scum.
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My theory is that therapy is because of coming out as trans.
AMONG US!
>of course they dont make sense They're just immune to facts.
Turns out he actually is immune to something.
That's a fact
and he's immune to it
Matt Walsh doesn't even have a college education. He's just a guy with a high school diploma who thinks he's smarter than everyone else.
To be fair, I'd wager a whole lot of middle school drop outs are smarter than him.
Right. This one is actually real easy to understand: Matt Walsh is a fucking moron.
Are we sure he's not trying to be like, "poison ivy doesn't work like this why do vaccines?" Because he does think he's smarter than doctors.
Walsh is immune to the idea that there are concepts in reality that are beyond his ability to understand. If he can’t grasp and idea and shove it through the narrow hole he sees the world through, it’s a falsehood or a lie and you must be stupid according to him to see it any other way. Ultimately he’s a very insecure man who’s 15 minutes of fame is based entirely on him latching on to peoples’ confusion about trans folk. He insists it must be a lie and a conspiracy because it doesn’t align with the last thing he learned and understood about sex, which was binary chromosomes in middle school. As you say, it’s very telling that on this subject and other subjects on which we have a lot of scientific research and experts in the field presenting very nuanced and complex explanations and recommendations, that Walsh will come in and say “No, that’s stupid, the world is very simple and I’m right. If you don’t agree with me you’re a monster who wants to hurt children.”
That tweet sums up the entirety of Matt Walsh
I had a bad Staph infection when I was a Freshman in High School. I have often bragged that I'm immune to bacterial infections because I'm a fucking idiot.
I was in a bad car wreck in high school. Ended up with a few broken bones. Every wreck I've been in since I haven't broken a thing. Thusly, I am now immune to car wrecks.
I'm shooting myself with BB guns daily to build an immunity to bullets
I recently said compost doesn’t bother me I dealt with it so much. Immediately got sick af.
Fucking idiot never went out in the woods except for those two times. I grew up in the woods, poison oak isn't like chicken pox where you're immune after you get it once.
Some people are less affected by it but with repeated exposure( especially to sensitive areas) it will eventually cause a reaction. A friend of mine rubbed it all over his arms repeatedly and was fine but when we dared him to rub it on his crotch he ended up hospitalized and needed several cortisone shots.
Was his name Steve-O and were you filming an episode of Jackass?
Our friend group definitely did a lot of jackass-esque things. I mean we were cliff jumping that same day as well.
"Hey, Steve-O. Rub this poison ivy on this car and shove it up your ass!" "Yeah-heah dude! Haha!"
Fuck poison oak. That shit tried to kill me once. My face was peeling off exposing raw, unprotected flesh. My throat nearly closed up. An entire month of my summer was ruined. Fuck that shit.
ive had multiple doctors tell me to eat it, and it builds up your immunity. like actual doctors. it is not correct advice.
Fun fact, you can actually get chicken pox twice, it’s just super rare. And I don’t mean having chicken pox as a kid and then shingles later as an adult. When I was a kid I had chicken pox, not too bad, just a few sores, out of school for a week, thought all was good. Then about six months later I got it again. The doctor said it was the worst case of chicken pox he’d ever seen. Just on one leg from my ankle to my thigh I had nearly 200 pox. I still have some scarring. Needless to say, when I had kids of my own I made damn sure they got the chicken pox vaccine.
Ok my top three options are 1. Stupid covid metaphor 2. Stupid political metaphor 3. Bro just actually poison ivy'd himself because he doesn't understand how immunity, plants or evidence based conclusions work and thought that would be a good thing to tweet about.
> Stupid covid metaphor you can see from the image that this was posted in 2019
Well damn. I think he should go test this again. I’ve heard it really takes two episodes and then you’re safe forever. ^(This is bad advice, don’t do it.)
And he was somewhere on earth at the time.
Allegedly. Coulda been using VPN, though.
Could still be anti-vac nonsense. Those have been around far longer than covid
It’s Matt walsh, you could have just stopped at stupid.
would not put option three past him, matt is far from the pointiest crayon in the pack
I dint think Matt Walsh is smart enough to use metaphor
At first i thought he was an idiot... But the more i read the tweet the more certain i become that he is indeed an idiot.
Immunity does exist. About 10-15% of the population has a resistance to urushiol (the active ingredient in poison ivy that makes us itchy and scratchy), so some definitely are. However, the more they're exposed, the more likely that resistance will wear off. I once got in a fight with a friend as a kid and we ended up rolling around in poison ivy. He was covered in rashes head to toe. It had no effect on me whatsoever. That said, while I might have been immune, I have never felt the need to test that theory. Seems pretty stupid to take the risk just to "brag" about a random immunity. Besides, the way our bodies can change in life, it's possible I was immune then but am no longer. https://www.pbsnc.org/blogs/science/poison-ivy-and-its-pals-some-common-myths/
We have to figure out how to test it haha My grandpa was “immune”, and out of 18 cousins one other is “immune”. They actively can touch it, and not react, they’re still careful though. Family of hunters and outdoors folks so it was super common. I have been in and around poison ivy my whole life. I weed wack it regularly in my yard and have never once reacted. I’m too scared(smart lol) to actually test it though. I figure if I treat poison ivy like it’s fuckin poison ivy, I’ll be fine haha.
This self perpetuating chain of self determined ignorance just keeps on ticking forward. Them being so forthright about this is either trolling and some of us are starting to pray for an asteroid.
No no, Matt Walsh. You definitely are immune. You just need to roll in it buck naked. Trust me and go try right away.
Amateur. To get true immunity, you have to pray for it.
To truly develop immunity, he needs to smoke a small amount of poison ivy. Edit: before anyone tries this, smoking poison ivy or any urushiol can cause lung scarring and inflammation and potentially kill you.
Ironically there is a product called oral ivy. I've used it, no clue if it actually works but any time I get poison ivy, which in my job is a lot, I only get a single dot of it and it doesn't spread. As a kid I got it bad though.
Good. He's a horrible person.
Nice one Matt. You were wrong and learnt your lesson. Now apply that lesson to every other thought in your head. Might even get you close to being a decent person one day.
Everyone is like *what an idiot* but my only takeaway is *Matt Walsh admitted he was wrong about some obvious shit on Twitter?*
if this were like, nearly anyone else, I would feel bad but its not just anyone, its Matt Walsh I hope he gets poison Ivy all over where the sun dont shine I want this man to suffer <3
 My thoughts exactly when I saw who it was 🙄
I hate this asshole so much 🥳
It was kind of funny when I hadn't read who posted it. Then I realized it was him and now it's hilarious.
I got poison ivy all over my dick and balls when I was a teenager. ALL. OVER. It's a fate I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. Matt Walsh, though, is another story. Fuck that guy. I hope he spends his weekend gingerly dipping his ball bag in to a tub of calamine lotion and writhing in discomfort.
People can get more sensitive to it over time as they are exposed to it.. makes you seem immune at first but once your body is aware the next time you make contact you get the rash from it. [https://www.healthline.com/health/poison-ivy-immunity#immunity](https://www.healthline.com/health/poison-ivy-immunity#immunity) With that being said I hope the prick got it real bad.
Had to scroll way too far for this comment.
This man clearly does not understand science.
Dude has no brain
Evidence that Matt Walsh fundamentally does not understand how biology works so he shouldn't be putting out dumbass documentaries about gender identity.
Matt Walsh is the twattiest of waffles, so him acknowledging that he's also a tool isn't entirely surprising.
So Matt Walsh came up with an opinion based on absolutely nothing and ran with it like it was true without doing any kind of research to see if it was based in any kind of reality? ... that's not like him 🤔
Isn't this the pro-pedophile guy?
Is it bad that when I read Poison Ivy I immediately thought of the Batman villain?
Astolfo effect, the fictional counterpart of something/someone gets more recognition than the real life inspiration
Ah yes, cause an *irritation* from poison Ivy sap on the skin, is comparable to a virus of bacteria *infection* in the blood stream. Irritations cannot be "immune" due to exposure like viruses and bacteria. I know he wants to discredit vaccines by saying exposure doesn't make you immune to poison ivy, so it doesn't work with viruses and bacteria. But unlike something like irritation or like a stab wound, you don't become immune, cause those are either outside forces or single chemicals that cause issues. Viruses and bacteria *need* to rely on cells in your body to reproduce and spread. So exposure to those helps your body detect and kill those first. But your body cannot do that to single chemicals like poison ivy sap.
What’s even more funny is you can’t develop immunity because its actually your immune system that causes the poison ivy reaction. Technically, it is a Type IV cell mediated hypersensitivity, which in lay terms is a type of allergic reaction. So, in an allergy, your immune system attacks something harmless and the immune activity itself is what causes you to feel so bad. In an infection where you have pre-existing immunity, your immune system attacks something harmful which prevents you from feeling bad.
I am sad I had to scroll this far down to see someone finally explain this correctly.
Matt it was bullets.
I feel like this post is probably a "Look, I'm not immune to poison ivy after getting it before, therefore immunity in general is a lie, and the government is evil for pushing vaccines on us!" post.
This is clearly an anti-vax post. He just does a shitty job of making his point, but he is comparing poison ivy to vaccines. Seems like a reach, but look who tweeted it
I’m immune. Only because I never even touch grass, so I’m safe from poison ivy.
There certainly is some degree of immunity out there. Well I think it is just lack of a common allergic reaction But I have done enough garden work to see a few guys manhandle it with no consequence
Not everything needs to go on the internet, Matt.
Stupid is as stupid does