Ned Luke made a post on Twitter about a year after release of the three of them in mocap with the caption saying the boys are back at it. I think they made him delete it pretty quickly though.
It’s one of the most soulless things a gaming company ever did was rockstar refusing to make any story dlc for gta 5 or red dead 2 , I guess shark cards and car updates were the priority
If gta 6 tries to pull some crap like that it will fail super hard , I also am worried for gta 6 because rockstar seems to be creatively bankrupt nowadays
Not sure it's fair to say they "refused" to make it when they were actually making it at some point. That suggests Rockstar did want to make it, and it was probably Take Two (soulless parent company) that forced them to focus on Online.
Nah just look at red dead 2 , they just completely ditched the story dlc perspective and made everything online updates . And the fact they haven’t made a new ip or remaster since 2018 shows how shark cards were so profitable they didn’t even need to make new games …
I would have paid for a single player expansion pack, but none ever came, and all the effort was put into GTAOnline.
Heck even a single one time purchase to provide a pile of the fun vehicles and things you can only get in Online would have been something to consider.
Oh well, at the end of the day I'm just one consumer, the business math clearly won as GTA Online printed them so much money they didn't need to develop anything new for so long.
As would I, but like you said for every one of us, there are 10 people willing to instead buy Shark Cards or other nonsense for the online mode. Makes sense why they scrapped single player DLC and why its taken so long for a sequel.
Apparently there's a GTA+ subscription for consoles that lets you play GTA online without owning the base game.
So I guess technically it is a subscription, but if you buy the game online is still free
That's so fucking stupid. I don't know how expensive this subscription is but assuming it's $9.99/mo You've paid for the base game in what? 3-4 months?
People need to quit supporting subscriptions. Damn
You can buy the online mode without a subscription, 30 bucks if I'm not mistaken. Gta plus is extra stuff for online mode and not a requirement for gta online
I have never played a GTA in my life but everything you all describing sounds dumb as hell
It's like they just threw dark pattern on top of dark pattern on top of dark pattern and made a whole giant ball of patterns intertwined with each other that's making them billions of dollars a year
I think most people are overthinking it. Having the online portion of the game disconnected from the story mode isn't bad if you've been through the story and have no plans on playing it again, especially since it's at a cheaper price. The idea of gta+ seems to be throwing people off, buts it's no different from a battle pass a lot of games are going for nowadays, and you don't miss anything without having it. Also, I don't have gta+, so I may be wrong, but I think everything they make available is up front for subscribers. You get whatever they offer there immediately and don't have to grind for it.
not quite, they made gta online free to play, you don't need the subscription for it. You can download online without owning the single player game. The subscription is some monthly bonuses, i forget exactly what it is though, i think its some free in game cash and maybe a free car every month and possibly early access to a special upgrade for cars that is only available on ps5 and xbox series x/s (the "next gen" version of the game). Haven't played it for years though, I'm not against a subscription based model like some MMO's have but i expect more out of it than GTA offers. I suspect it is a test run before gta 6 comes out and then the bonuses might be more egregious
It is free if you own the correct version of the game. They sell online separately now also. GTA plus started as mostly cosmetics for the price of a cheap shark card, plus 500000 in game cash. Over time it has turned into the only way to acquire certain services and "deals" though.
It's completely unnecessary to play the game but still crappy they added it imo. But it's undeniably true that you can make stupid amounts of money and buy all the cool shit without buying a single shark card or month of GTA plus.
They charge for line versions now too, plus GTA+ subscription. The subscription is basically just stripped content. So the very basic content they add, is then stripped of the most worthwhile and put behind a paywall
There's also an aspect of apy to win within it too, kind of
I think theyd keep it running on a skeleton crew for as long as possible. a large majority will move to 6, but theres always gonna be some people who will prefer the older one. like vanilla wow.
Why not both, though? Those people would *absolutely* buy the single player DLC at full price and crush it over a weekend then go back to buying Shark Cards.
More like $4,000+ on Shark Cards.
Compare the player counts to the earnings for GTA Online and account for F2P players. The only way the $800 million a year number makes sense is if whales are blowing thousands per month on shark cards.
People always say that but I probably know over a dozen people that still play GTA regularly and none of them are willing to shell out any money for shark cards. Makes you wonder, are they actually as popular as people claim?
If you look into Whales and microtransactions the interesting thing is that it's NOT very popular. In the grand scheme of things. The whales, which are the people that these companies are pushing for, oftentimes make up like 1% of the paying population.
Exactly - and the math is something like average player spends $0.50, 99th percentile player spends $100, which means it's 2x as profitable to cater to the whales than to the average.
I also don't know a way around this, other than to buy honest indie/small-developer/non-AAA titles to support that side of the industry.
> Makes you wonder, are they actually as popular as people claim?
No it doesn't. They are incredibly popular, which is why they didn't waste time and money developing more single player content and just push GTA online so much.
Remember Diablo Immortal and how no one was going to play it because it was clearly MTX hell? It made over half a billion dollars in it's first year.
Half a billion dollars sounds like a lot but it isn’t actually that much and would definitely not be considered a success. How much of that is even profit? These numbers don’t exist in a vacuum.
Diablo 4 made more than that in 5 days. It’s also a microtransaction hell. I’m more interested in seeing how Diablo 4 succeeded where Diablo Immortals didn’t.
Are you seriously comparing the dev cost of Diablo 4 to a reskinned mobile game?
Diablo immortals succeded because it's for mobile gamers and let's be real, there's not a ton of depth sperating x mobile game from y mobile game.
D4 was dead after the campaign and only got the initial hype because it's a blizzard game which is amazing considering blizzard only gives a single fuck about wow.
Is there any reason they couldn't just make some of the stuff they made available for online available in the game? I could be wrong but it doesn't seem like it would be that much more work and it would get them a few extra bucks from people who would never spend money otherwise. I don't see the downside, what did they see that wasn't worth it?
I haven't played GTA for a long time now - is online still as popular?
I was just wondering because if not, then presumably shark card income has fallen, and it might now be financially viable to release a paid single player DLC?
That's the irony of GTA now. For a series so much about satirizing and offering criticism towards the American way of life, it perfectly embodies the hypercapitalist, uninspiring nonsense it poked fun at. It's unintentional self parody
That's why I abandoned the game. Never cared much about GTAO; played the whole campaign and waited patiently... Update after update came for GTAO without adding anything that interesting, then the shark cards came and I realized they don't care if people like their game, so I quit GTAO after maybe a year
How people have gotten 10 years out of GTA5 makes no sense to me. Same with skyrim, people continuing to pump money into the game 10 years later is bad to the gaming industry. Everyone still playing 5 is the reason we don't have a 6.
Aahh. I guess I forgot about that since I only played on console until recently. So, since I don't feel like doing the run around right now, I'll ask you. Are the paid ones worth it? Are they better quality mods?
GTAO has had over 40 content updates since it's been launched. It's not surprising at all that people are still playing it 10 years later.
I agree it's the reason we haven't gotten 6 sooner though.
There is so much to do there, I love GTA online. Sure you get griefed if you play in public but it's only pixels. And you can play in closed lobbies. Businesses, heists, racing, time trials and SO MANY CARS
Honestly ever since they did the private mode update GTA online is a treasure trove of solo content.
Personally ever since GTA 4 free mode I just can't play GTA solo anymore.
Playing with friends is just too much fun.
Normally I'd agree but honestly with all the back and forth dealing with cheaters I honestly don't hold it against Rockstar that they gave up on it.
PC versions of a lot of games are rotten cesspits of PC cheaters and at a certain point you have to ask yourself what's the real problem here.
That a company can't keep up with anti cheat for years and years for a single product or that a literal army of assholes want to cheat in a fuckin' video game.
solo is peak for modding though, all the online vehicles and weapons are still in your game files too so grab a trainer to use them.
could grab an old online cheat menu too, the hacker market is so competitive even the, comparatively crappy, free ones that don't work in online anymore are perfect to mess around in offline
Hell I just bought a hacked account with billions of dollars when I made the switch to pc. I did my time grinding away, now I can "retire" and just do what I want.
Really sucks how limited the content is once you beat the game as far as random shootin missions. They coulda put in unlimited heists to do, gang rivalry events, or even put back the vigilante mode when in the cop car
I loved 5 deeply, but 4 was undeniably the sweet spot - still a huge open world, quality missions and interactions but then got 2 excellent dlc’s on top with L&D and BGT. We’ll never see that again sadly.
They just lower the target age until they hit middle schoolers who will buy anything with their parents money honestly.
The studio famous for making mature games has honestly gotten pretty corny
And thus why I have near zero interest in GTA 6, clearly I will not affect anything for them as it will have record sales most likely, people will buy anything GTA 6 Online will sell but oh well.
Rockstar used to add online weapons and vehicles to single player but that stopped with the update that added the gold plated helicopter. Personally I mainly just want to play as my online character with all my businesses and stuff in the same open world and story mode protagonists. Would be cool just running into them on the street.
Yeah, I remember using some of the added vehicles and weapons but that was on an Xbox 360 copy. Sucks all that stuff isn't available in singleplayer anymore.
They’re still in the single player but the PS4/ Xbox one versions had that stuff integrated in the game so you’d have to find those cars on the street or buy helicopters from the website plus the weapons are still there but nothing newer than the firework launcher I believe. Ever since ill gotten gains part 2 all the new content has been exclusively for online only which is really stupid.
While I agree with you, I swear I get whiplash on Reddit.
I’d kill for some singleplayer DLC for GTA V or RDR2. But when a Star Wars game announces Singleplayer DLC the entire Reddit community freaks out about “why does a single player game have a season pass” idk so the single player expansions are cheaper for the consumer instead of the usual 25-30 per one it’s like $40 for the season pass which is cheaper.
Also before anyone says *“but they announced it before the game came out”.* Rockstar announced the dlc for GTA IV in 2006, well before the launch. And before someone else goes *“but they put day 1 dlc in the game and tied it to a pre-order bonus”* RDR2 had an exclusive bank heist tied to the $80 and up editions of the game.
So to anyone who wants to know why games like GTA V or RDR2 didn’t have singleplayer dlc is because for some reason gamers now have it in their head that dlc and season passes are for multiplayer games only which is just weird af
Maybe, just maybe, it might have something to do with the fact that GTA V, RDR 2 or The Witcher 3 were complete masterpieces in their base version.
It's much easier to accept a DLC that adds dozens of hours to a (near) perfect (and complete) game instead of having to pay for the base game AND the dlc to still only have a pretty half-assed game.
I’m not saying Outlaws is going to be good or anything, it probably will be a solid 7/10 but aren’t you maybe judging a game before release a bit too harshly then? Let’s also not forget that when The Witcher 3 launched, plenty of people were upset with graphical downgrades from the trailers and it was extremely buggy at launch. It’s only in the years since that all of that is in the past and the game is considered a masterpiece.
It honestly one of the most fumbled bags in the history of gaming. GTA4's DLC/expansions were INSANELY popular (not on the level of reception, which was mixed IIRC, but in terms of revenue) and they didn't bother because multiplayer was making just as much money.
Rockstar could've easily DOUBLED their money if they had two teams working in tandeum for both crowds, but they didn't.
Meanwhile, GTA6 is going to be damn near a decade and a half from GTA5's release.
Nonsense. Financially, focusing on online content was one of the best decisions any games company has ever made, they only have so many employees and single player content pulls people away from where the real money is
I have a lot of BIAS towards TBOGT because I have nostalgic memories of playing it as a young kid in my 360 but R* created an excellent GTA IV world overall. The base game and LAD were gritty and dark with fkd protagonist that accompanied/fit that world very well while TBOGT showed another part of the city and its luxury; the same city but more alive and more vibrant.
GTA IV is truly a masterpiece in the series and also in the gaming industry.
I love how all three of the DLCs kind of intersect at certain parts.
Johnnie has a mission with Niko.
Niko kidnaps Gay Tony's friend.
The diamond deal involving all three of them.
GTAV Single Player didn't get any love because Online was too successful and RDR2 didn't get any love because Online was unsuccessful. Fucked either way, there is no winning this.
>Some of Rockstar's best work has been on Undead Nightmare and the GTA4 DLCs.
Indisputable, but who cares about quality work when you can just sell more shark cards/ gold bars for exponentially less work and sell even more than the legit DLC?
Imagine making a new online and then not doing anything with it because of the setting making doing crazy stuff near impossible and then just giving up because of it.
They could’ve easily done aliens vs cowboys, werewolves, anything with RDR2’s online annnnd “but flying zebras that shoot exploding confetti from its canons makes more money, forget this!” (Not an actual thing in GTAO, I think.)
>but flying zebras that shoot exploding confetti from its canons makes more money, forget this!” (Not an actual thing in GTAO, I think.)
Thanks for the disclaimer because who the hell knows with GTA5? I'd probably believe you 🤣
RDR2's story is like 100 hours total, not counting side stuff. The whole epilogue portion is like 20 hours. That could've been DLC. I respect Rockstar for just selling one complete banger and then letting it rest.
He's said countless times that he loved portraying Trevor. He just hates that everyone makes him do trevor stuff when ever they see him in person, and not just recognize him for being an good actor.
Previously yes but now in the past couple years you can tell by the way he talks about Trevor calling him a cartoon, saying the character’s not interesting, and just how triggered he gets when people associate him with the character. Probably he did originally like Trevor and playing him but mainly being recognized by a character he did over a decade ago despite the other roles he’s done since then has made him hate the character.
It doesn't help that they quite directly based Trevor's likeness on Ogg's, which is not as much of an issue in live-action media where the audience is not directly inhabiting and controlling the character's actions, but in a video game probably leads to moments where fans of GTAV see Ogg and think "Dude! We've both been Trevor but you like, ARE Trevor, man!"
That probably gets old real quick.
Probably doesn’t help that the type of folks to be willing to go up to an actor in public and try to strike up a conversation with them already lack social skills
Sounds exactly like Harrison ford with Han Solo, it's the role he will never get away from no matter how much "better" work he has done because well, Han Solo is iconic.
I feel like it needed TWO more like the witcher 3 and gta 4 because 2 extra expansions make a game feel almost double the size and time investment while the quality isn't much expected to dip with 2 expansions. Comparing that to a single expansion like in cyberpunk or red dead redemption 1, I feel like when you start the game you don't feel like the games have been MUCH expanded. Don't get me wrong i absolutely love undead nightmare and like the design of dogtown in cyberpunk, but with gta 4 and witcher 3 along with their expansions it feels like they're 1.5 or 2 times the size of base game.
I’m still annoyed that they scrapped single player DLC to become like every other company and milk online stuff like it’s an addiction. Money eventually ruins everything it touches given the time. Rockstar used to seem like they were different. Clearly they’re not.
Heard the dlc was for some vault thing, which was repurposed for some gtaonline stuff.
A real shame nothing came to singleplayer, as I never really got into gta online.
I remember the actors talking about story DLC shortly after launch. I was disappointed it never materialized or if it was used it was worked into GTA Online
I won't claim to know more than the Rockstar market analysts but I just can't imagine a single player DLC not making them millions on top of the shark cards they are already selling
Oh well sure on top of it. But the sales of GTA V never dropped. So even without DLC, people were still buying it during the last 3 console generations. They would port it and it made millions. So to spend millions to make DLC just to have to make those millions back made no financial sense.
The base game of GTA V sold well enough on its own with every port. And porting costs them a fraction of their money if barely anything at all. It's ultimately a better deal for people to just buy GTA V even if they mostly want GTA Online because the game is constantly on sale for $20 which is what GTA Online coats to buy anyway.
So, at the end of the day, sure they could have made DLC to add content for people. But since they didn't NEED to do it to still make their projected sales figures, they didn't want to spend the man hours, recording hours, tester hours, and everything else it costs to make more Content, only to have to make that amount back again.
Remember, it's all about money. But more specifically, it's about SPENDING less money than obtaining more money because to shareholders that spent money looks like a loss to them and they don't want to see any money go down. If you're making billions from shark cards, a few million from DLC after spending millions to make it in the first place isn't that appealing to them
This is what I don't get.
Nobody is saying they should have done DLC **instead of** Shark Cards wtf.
It's just disappointing they didn't make any additional single player content for the amazing world they invested so much in creating.
Despite playing a ton of GTAO I never spent a single penny on it, but I would have happily bought DLC. And I'm sure I'm not alone. DLC would've sold like crazy. It's money left on the table.
Exactly. I mean they aren't really pumping in a whole lot of money in GTAO nowadays so I'm guessing most of their dev time since GTA V has been dedicated to RDR2 and now GTA VI. A dlc for GTA V is hardly as much work as creating a new game from scratch and no, you're not alone. Me and pretty much every gamer I know would buy a GTA V dlc on day one.
Doesn’t matter if every person that bought the game bought story DLC. That would be a one time transaction. They figured out that hundreds of thousands of Joe schmos will spend hundreds of dollars a year on online shit. If we get story DLC for 6 it’s just by some miracle of someone who could throw their weight around at take 2 or rockstar actually caring about the story aspect of the gta legacy
It won't. Look at what happened to RDR2, the game flopped online and they promptly cut bait on that. Did they move those resources back to SP DLC? Fuck no, back to working on GTA Online.
The focus is only on what makes the **most** profit, and it won't ever be single player content. If GTA6's online flops for whatever reason, you can bet they will run back to GTA5's online like nothing ever changed.
I'd rather get a game that doesn't need DLCs to be a complete experience
After the years of milking the player base they'd be absolute assholes to even mention DLCs anywhere close to the release
Rockstar used to put out DLC that would put to shame other games entirely. Lost and the Damned, Ballad of Gay Tony, Undead Nightmares. The fact GTA5 was around for so long and never got even one is a crime.
If theyre going to sit with a game for over a decade like that it would be nice to give all of us that can't stand the online something.
11 years of Rockstar behaviour very much suggests that it won't. And the things which caused them to not release DLCs for their games in that period of time has only grown worse. We shall count ourselves lucky that GTA VI even gets a singleplayer campaign.
Honestly never understood why Trevor wasn't around in GTAOnline. I know the story has a few different endings but he would've been great as a mission giver and whatnot
he is a mission giver, and you do a heist with him. he’s just not the contact anymore, the contact for the missions is ron but you see trevor at the end of some of them.
He's in some of the old contact missions. "Diamonds are for Trevor" is the name of one of them.
Apparently Dax was originally supposed to be Trevor too, but when they couldn't get Steve Ogg back they rewrote it.
There’s a theory that he was supposed to be the main contact for the juggalo/meth update, but was removed due to him not wanting to be associated with GTA anymore.
I don’t remember all of the reasons why people thought this, but I know one of them was that you do *literally* the exact same mission from Trevor’s campaign where you fight off the lost
When you can earn 8 billion dollars from GTA online, which takes basically zero effort. Why on earth would you waste time on singleplayer content?.
As always the consumers have only themselves to blame. I am surprised they are even bothering with GTA 6. Surely GTA Online can be milked for another decade and 8 billion dollars more?.
I know for the most part Rockstar can be trusted to deliver a good experience but is anyone else just a tad bit worried that Story Mode will take a hit for Online?
If y'all wanted DLC you shouldn't have bought so many shark cards. I don't know what bullshit GTA VI will have, but you might want to buy your money a black leather wallet and ball gag, because your savings bout to get fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked.
Not only did GTA Online content basically never make it to single player, we lost a bunch of single player stuff to it too. Its like a very profitable tumour.
I’m still pissed RDR2 never got any DLC and I blame both the success of GTA:O and the abject failure of RDO
"wait a minute, look how many people are spending stupid money on our half baked online mode? Let's just keep adding real money value shit to that and not spend any more time or money on making the singleplayer component of this game any better".
Thank god these games get modded. They'd be so dead without it.
"Why do you care if I pre-order/buy lootboxes/buy battlepasses/buy microtransactions?"
Well genius it's because of shit like this. once Shark Cards were a thing all this cool shit we could have had went out the window. And spoiler warning for those looking forward to it, the same thing will happen to GTA 6.
In the normal world of production this would be fine - you can talk about stuff you did _almost ten years ago_ if it was for TV, movies, theatre... Because it's you're _life_.
But video games companies still don't act like the rest of the media and are in some ways more petty. They're probably really pissed at him for talking about this.
I think there was 3 planned story DLC for each character in gta but seems like shark cards made enough money for them to repurpose the content for gta online. A lot of the easter eggs was hints for those DLCs
It's wild that they shot content and didn't follow through. Some games I couldn't care less for, but rockstar always puts out a good story and great dynamics between their characters. Another letdown.
I will never stop feeling sad thinking what could have been. GTA Online essentially made Rockstar a live-service studio for the majority of the past decade. They had released Red Dead Redemption 2 as the only new game and that was also likely in development already with GTA V.
Ned Luke made a post on Twitter about a year after release of the three of them in mocap with the caption saying the boys are back at it. I think they made him delete it pretty quickly though.
"The boys are NOT back in town" - R*
Scheduling conflict with Santa coming at the same time.
It’s one of the most soulless things a gaming company ever did was rockstar refusing to make any story dlc for gta 5 or red dead 2 , I guess shark cards and car updates were the priority
Now they're talking about subscription based services for games.
If gta 6 tries to pull some crap like that it will fail super hard , I also am worried for gta 6 because rockstar seems to be creatively bankrupt nowadays
Not sure it's fair to say they "refused" to make it when they were actually making it at some point. That suggests Rockstar did want to make it, and it was probably Take Two (soulless parent company) that forced them to focus on Online.
Nah just look at red dead 2 , they just completely ditched the story dlc perspective and made everything online updates . And the fact they haven’t made a new ip or remaster since 2018 shows how shark cards were so profitable they didn’t even need to make new games …
I would have paid for a single player expansion pack, but none ever came, and all the effort was put into GTAOnline. Heck even a single one time purchase to provide a pile of the fun vehicles and things you can only get in Online would have been something to consider. Oh well, at the end of the day I'm just one consumer, the business math clearly won as GTA Online printed them so much money they didn't need to develop anything new for so long.
As would I, but like you said for every one of us, there are 10 people willing to instead buy Shark Cards or other nonsense for the online mode. Makes sense why they scrapped single player DLC and why its taken so long for a sequel.
It's more like for every 10 of us, there is 1 person willing to spend $400+ on Shark Cards.
Not even just Shark Cards. GTA+ as well. People are paying a subscription just to play GTA V.
There's a subscription for it? I thought it was free as long as you owned the game.
Apparently there's a GTA+ subscription for consoles that lets you play GTA online without owning the base game. So I guess technically it is a subscription, but if you buy the game online is still free
That's so fucking stupid. I don't know how expensive this subscription is but assuming it's $9.99/mo You've paid for the base game in what? 3-4 months? People need to quit supporting subscriptions. Damn
You can buy the online mode without a subscription, 30 bucks if I'm not mistaken. Gta plus is extra stuff for online mode and not a requirement for gta online
I have never played a GTA in my life but everything you all describing sounds dumb as hell It's like they just threw dark pattern on top of dark pattern on top of dark pattern and made a whole giant ball of patterns intertwined with each other that's making them billions of dollars a year
Sounds like you seem to understand what R* did then.
I think most people are overthinking it. Having the online portion of the game disconnected from the story mode isn't bad if you've been through the story and have no plans on playing it again, especially since it's at a cheaper price. The idea of gta+ seems to be throwing people off, buts it's no different from a battle pass a lot of games are going for nowadays, and you don't miss anything without having it. Also, I don't have gta+, so I may be wrong, but I think everything they make available is up front for subscribers. You get whatever they offer there immediately and don't have to grind for it.
not quite, they made gta online free to play, you don't need the subscription for it. You can download online without owning the single player game. The subscription is some monthly bonuses, i forget exactly what it is though, i think its some free in game cash and maybe a free car every month and possibly early access to a special upgrade for cars that is only available on ps5 and xbox series x/s (the "next gen" version of the game). Haven't played it for years though, I'm not against a subscription based model like some MMO's have but i expect more out of it than GTA offers. I suspect it is a test run before gta 6 comes out and then the bonuses might be more egregious
it is, its like a bonus add on thing like shark cards but monthly
It is free if you own the correct version of the game. They sell online separately now also. GTA plus started as mostly cosmetics for the price of a cheap shark card, plus 500000 in game cash. Over time it has turned into the only way to acquire certain services and "deals" though.
Is that why all the twitch stuff they used to give out disappear?
It's completely unnecessary to play the game but still crappy they added it imo. But it's undeniably true that you can make stupid amounts of money and buy all the cool shit without buying a single shark card or month of GTA plus.
They charge for line versions now too, plus GTA+ subscription. The subscription is basically just stripped content. So the very basic content they add, is then stripped of the most worthwhile and put behind a paywall There's also an aspect of apy to win within it too, kind of
haha whales go brrrrr
Where are those damn Japanese when you actually need em?
That is definitely true too.
I wonder what those people are going to do when gta 6 drops how long will the servers for 5 even go for?
I think theyd keep it running on a skeleton crew for as long as possible. a large majority will move to 6, but theres always gonna be some people who will prefer the older one. like vanilla wow.
Ok but also to that point you could easily do some DLC with the gobs of Sharkcard money
Why not both, though? Those people would *absolutely* buy the single player DLC at full price and crush it over a weekend then go back to buying Shark Cards.
More like $4,000+ on Shark Cards. Compare the player counts to the earnings for GTA Online and account for F2P players. The only way the $800 million a year number makes sense is if whales are blowing thousands per month on shark cards.
People always say that but I probably know over a dozen people that still play GTA regularly and none of them are willing to shell out any money for shark cards. Makes you wonder, are they actually as popular as people claim?
If you look into Whales and microtransactions the interesting thing is that it's NOT very popular. In the grand scheme of things. The whales, which are the people that these companies are pushing for, oftentimes make up like 1% of the paying population.
Exactly - and the math is something like average player spends $0.50, 99th percentile player spends $100, which means it's 2x as profitable to cater to the whales than to the average. I also don't know a way around this, other than to buy honest indie/small-developer/non-AAA titles to support that side of the industry.
> Makes you wonder, are they actually as popular as people claim? No it doesn't. They are incredibly popular, which is why they didn't waste time and money developing more single player content and just push GTA online so much. Remember Diablo Immortal and how no one was going to play it because it was clearly MTX hell? It made over half a billion dollars in it's first year.
Half a billion dollars sounds like a lot but it isn’t actually that much and would definitely not be considered a success. How much of that is even profit? These numbers don’t exist in a vacuum. Diablo 4 made more than that in 5 days. It’s also a microtransaction hell. I’m more interested in seeing how Diablo 4 succeeded where Diablo Immortals didn’t.
Are you seriously comparing the dev cost of Diablo 4 to a reskinned mobile game? Diablo immortals succeded because it's for mobile gamers and let's be real, there's not a ton of depth sperating x mobile game from y mobile game. D4 was dead after the campaign and only got the initial hype because it's a blizzard game which is amazing considering blizzard only gives a single fuck about wow.
Is there any reason they couldn't just make some of the stuff they made available for online available in the game? I could be wrong but it doesn't seem like it would be that much more work and it would get them a few extra bucks from people who would never spend money otherwise. I don't see the downside, what did they see that wasn't worth it?
shit like that makes them absurd amounts of money nearly without any effort
I haven't played GTA for a long time now - is online still as popular? I was just wondering because if not, then presumably shark card income has fallen, and it might now be financially viable to release a paid single player DLC?
Same with the radio station being updated but for online only is wild. I wanna listen to Arca and Rosalia without logging online 😒 🙄
The worst was they added a casino that only works in multiplayer and is just a big empty building in single player
That's the irony of GTA now. For a series so much about satirizing and offering criticism towards the American way of life, it perfectly embodies the hypercapitalist, uninspiring nonsense it poked fun at. It's unintentional self parody
That's why I abandoned the game. Never cared much about GTAO; played the whole campaign and waited patiently... Update after update came for GTAO without adding anything that interesting, then the shark cards came and I realized they don't care if people like their game, so I quit GTAO after maybe a year How people have gotten 10 years out of GTA5 makes no sense to me. Same with skyrim, people continuing to pump money into the game 10 years later is bad to the gaming industry. Everyone still playing 5 is the reason we don't have a 6.
Who's spending new money on Skyrim?
Most forget that there is actually a market for paid Skyrim mods lmao
Aahh. I guess I forgot about that since I only played on console until recently. So, since I don't feel like doing the run around right now, I'll ask you. Are the paid ones worth it? Are they better quality mods?
The Nth edition they released
GTAO has had over 40 content updates since it's been launched. It's not surprising at all that people are still playing it 10 years later. I agree it's the reason we haven't gotten 6 sooner though.
There is so much to do there, I love GTA online. Sure you get griefed if you play in public but it's only pixels. And you can play in closed lobbies. Businesses, heists, racing, time trials and SO MANY CARS
> Sure you get griefed if you play in public but it's only pixels. But it's not only pixels, it's time.
Honestly ever since they did the private mode update GTA online is a treasure trove of solo content. Personally ever since GTA 4 free mode I just can't play GTA solo anymore. Playing with friends is just too much fun.
Well la-tee-da. Look at this guy over here with his friends
loogit Mr. human interactions over here!
I only play solo but needed 4 was always my issue. What content is there now that is good solo?
Every new heist or heist-like activity can be done solo since Cayo perico.
If only the PC version got more love.
Normally I'd agree but honestly with all the back and forth dealing with cheaters I honestly don't hold it against Rockstar that they gave up on it. PC versions of a lot of games are rotten cesspits of PC cheaters and at a certain point you have to ask yourself what's the real problem here. That a company can't keep up with anti cheat for years and years for a single product or that a literal army of assholes want to cheat in a fuckin' video game.
solo is peak for modding though, all the online vehicles and weapons are still in your game files too so grab a trainer to use them. could grab an old online cheat menu too, the hacker market is so competitive even the, comparatively crappy, free ones that don't work in online anymore are perfect to mess around in offline
Hell I just bought a hacked account with billions of dollars when I made the switch to pc. I did my time grinding away, now I can "retire" and just do what I want.
Really sucks how limited the content is once you beat the game as far as random shootin missions. They coulda put in unlimited heists to do, gang rivalry events, or even put back the vigilante mode when in the cop car
Same here… I always see updates and add ons and I’m like freaking cool. But I never touched online, and never will. Fuck that toxic bs lol.
You can just play in a private lobby.
I loved 5 deeply, but 4 was undeniably the sweet spot - still a huge open world, quality missions and interactions but then got 2 excellent dlc’s on top with L&D and BGT. We’ll never see that again sadly.
They developed new stuff, just for the online
They just lower the target age until they hit middle schoolers who will buy anything with their parents money honestly. The studio famous for making mature games has honestly gotten pretty corny
And thus why I have near zero interest in GTA 6, clearly I will not affect anything for them as it will have record sales most likely, people will buy anything GTA 6 Online will sell but oh well.
Rockstar used to add online weapons and vehicles to single player but that stopped with the update that added the gold plated helicopter. Personally I mainly just want to play as my online character with all my businesses and stuff in the same open world and story mode protagonists. Would be cool just running into them on the street.
Yeah, I remember using some of the added vehicles and weapons but that was on an Xbox 360 copy. Sucks all that stuff isn't available in singleplayer anymore.
They’re still in the single player but the PS4/ Xbox one versions had that stuff integrated in the game so you’d have to find those cars on the street or buy helicopters from the website plus the weapons are still there but nothing newer than the firework launcher I believe. Ever since ill gotten gains part 2 all the new content has been exclusively for online only which is really stupid.
While I agree with you, I swear I get whiplash on Reddit. I’d kill for some singleplayer DLC for GTA V or RDR2. But when a Star Wars game announces Singleplayer DLC the entire Reddit community freaks out about “why does a single player game have a season pass” idk so the single player expansions are cheaper for the consumer instead of the usual 25-30 per one it’s like $40 for the season pass which is cheaper. Also before anyone says *“but they announced it before the game came out”.* Rockstar announced the dlc for GTA IV in 2006, well before the launch. And before someone else goes *“but they put day 1 dlc in the game and tied it to a pre-order bonus”* RDR2 had an exclusive bank heist tied to the $80 and up editions of the game. So to anyone who wants to know why games like GTA V or RDR2 didn’t have singleplayer dlc is because for some reason gamers now have it in their head that dlc and season passes are for multiplayer games only which is just weird af
Maybe, just maybe, it might have something to do with the fact that GTA V, RDR 2 or The Witcher 3 were complete masterpieces in their base version. It's much easier to accept a DLC that adds dozens of hours to a (near) perfect (and complete) game instead of having to pay for the base game AND the dlc to still only have a pretty half-assed game.
I’m not saying Outlaws is going to be good or anything, it probably will be a solid 7/10 but aren’t you maybe judging a game before release a bit too harshly then? Let’s also not forget that when The Witcher 3 launched, plenty of people were upset with graphical downgrades from the trailers and it was extremely buggy at launch. It’s only in the years since that all of that is in the past and the game is considered a masterpiece.
It's because the only thing that Reddit hates more than Star Wars is Ubisoft.
“…even a single *one time* purchase…” Rockstar: ew, yuck, no. moar plz
Aren't shark cards essentially that? They give you money to buy the cars
Money and consumerism come before quality, sorry
If only the GTA online heists could have been carried over...
They will do that as soon as GTA6 comes out
More $$$ comes in and less $$$ goes out with their online content.
It honestly one of the most fumbled bags in the history of gaming. GTA4's DLC/expansions were INSANELY popular (not on the level of reception, which was mixed IIRC, but in terms of revenue) and they didn't bother because multiplayer was making just as much money. Rockstar could've easily DOUBLED their money if they had two teams working in tandeum for both crowds, but they didn't. Meanwhile, GTA6 is going to be damn near a decade and a half from GTA5's release.
Nonsense. Financially, focusing on online content was one of the best decisions any games company has ever made, they only have so many employees and single player content pulls people away from where the real money is
It really won't
It's a bummer GTAV and RDR2 didn't get single-player DLC. Some of Rockstar's best work has been on Undead Nightmare and the GTA4 DLCs.
The Ballad Of Gay Tony is legit one of the best stories in GTA.
I have a lot of BIAS towards TBOGT because I have nostalgic memories of playing it as a young kid in my 360 but R* created an excellent GTA IV world overall. The base game and LAD were gritty and dark with fkd protagonist that accompanied/fit that world very well while TBOGT showed another part of the city and its luxury; the same city but more alive and more vibrant. GTA IV is truly a masterpiece in the series and also in the gaming industry.
I love how all three of the DLCs kind of intersect at certain parts. Johnnie has a mission with Niko. Niko kidnaps Gay Tony's friend. The diamond deal involving all three of them.
I would sell me soul for an Undead Nightmare 2. It's the bloody perfect zombie game engine.
GTAV Single Player didn't get any love because Online was too successful and RDR2 didn't get any love because Online was unsuccessful. Fucked either way, there is no winning this.
The fact there is no Undead Nightmare 2 is actually disgusting
Undead nightmare was my favorite game, especially finding Easter rggs
My youngs eyes literally lit up like a Pixar character when I saw the mythical horse War.
>Some of Rockstar's best work has been on Undead Nightmare and the GTA4 DLCs. Indisputable, but who cares about quality work when you can just sell more shark cards/ gold bars for exponentially less work and sell even more than the legit DLC?
Imagine making a new online and then not doing anything with it because of the setting making doing crazy stuff near impossible and then just giving up because of it. They could’ve easily done aliens vs cowboys, werewolves, anything with RDR2’s online annnnd “but flying zebras that shoot exploding confetti from its canons makes more money, forget this!” (Not an actual thing in GTAO, I think.)
>but flying zebras that shoot exploding confetti from its canons makes more money, forget this!” (Not an actual thing in GTAO, I think.) Thanks for the disclaimer because who the hell knows with GTA5? I'd probably believe you 🤣
RDR2's story is like 100 hours total, not counting side stuff. The whole epilogue portion is like 20 hours. That could've been DLC. I respect Rockstar for just selling one complete banger and then letting it rest.
Great point about actually selling a full game to start. But Mexico is there and rendered. Could've added lots of stuff that we know they started
But GTA 4 didn't have DLCs those were standalone games
The title’s hilarious because Steven Ogg goes rabid whenever people call him or associate him with Trevor.
He's said countless times that he loved portraying Trevor. He just hates that everyone makes him do trevor stuff when ever they see him in person, and not just recognize him for being an good actor.
Previously yes but now in the past couple years you can tell by the way he talks about Trevor calling him a cartoon, saying the character’s not interesting, and just how triggered he gets when people associate him with the character. Probably he did originally like Trevor and playing him but mainly being recognized by a character he did over a decade ago despite the other roles he’s done since then has made him hate the character.
It doesn't help that they quite directly based Trevor's likeness on Ogg's, which is not as much of an issue in live-action media where the audience is not directly inhabiting and controlling the character's actions, but in a video game probably leads to moments where fans of GTAV see Ogg and think "Dude! We've both been Trevor but you like, ARE Trevor, man!" That probably gets old real quick.
Probably doesn’t help that the type of folks to be willing to go up to an actor in public and try to strike up a conversation with them already lack social skills
Sounds exactly like Harrison ford with Han Solo, it's the role he will never get away from no matter how much "better" work he has done because well, Han Solo is iconic.
I'M NOT A CARTOON. HOW COULD I BE A CARTOON
[Obligatory](https://youtube.com/watch?v=zeMuJbn_OhA)
He just wanted an HONEST day’s pay for an HONEST day’s work
And he… *kindagotalittlbitangry.*
So I admit… lkindagotalittlebitangry
Did you kill him
No.. but I did kidnap his wife!
OH NOoo
Gta v does feel a little like it's missing something- it needed just one more story based dlc imo like gta iv and rdr1
I feel like it needed TWO more like the witcher 3 and gta 4 because 2 extra expansions make a game feel almost double the size and time investment while the quality isn't much expected to dip with 2 expansions. Comparing that to a single expansion like in cyberpunk or red dead redemption 1, I feel like when you start the game you don't feel like the games have been MUCH expanded. Don't get me wrong i absolutely love undead nightmare and like the design of dogtown in cyberpunk, but with gta 4 and witcher 3 along with their expansions it feels like they're 1.5 or 2 times the size of base game.
Yeah definitely- it needed more than just gta online content
Yep anything other than GTA online content would've been appreciated 🙂
I’m still annoyed that they scrapped single player DLC to become like every other company and milk online stuff like it’s an addiction. Money eventually ruins everything it touches given the time. Rockstar used to seem like they were different. Clearly they’re not.
Heard the dlc was for some vault thing, which was repurposed for some gtaonline stuff. A real shame nothing came to singleplayer, as I never really got into gta online.
I remember the actors talking about story DLC shortly after launch. I was disappointed it never materialized or if it was used it was worked into GTA Online
Then Rockstar realised that Sharkcards were way more important.
It was important, to them, because it made them billions of dollars. DLC, while cool, wouldn't have made close to what they've made with Shark cards
I won't claim to know more than the Rockstar market analysts but I just can't imagine a single player DLC not making them millions on top of the shark cards they are already selling
Oh well sure on top of it. But the sales of GTA V never dropped. So even without DLC, people were still buying it during the last 3 console generations. They would port it and it made millions. So to spend millions to make DLC just to have to make those millions back made no financial sense. The base game of GTA V sold well enough on its own with every port. And porting costs them a fraction of their money if barely anything at all. It's ultimately a better deal for people to just buy GTA V even if they mostly want GTA Online because the game is constantly on sale for $20 which is what GTA Online coats to buy anyway. So, at the end of the day, sure they could have made DLC to add content for people. But since they didn't NEED to do it to still make their projected sales figures, they didn't want to spend the man hours, recording hours, tester hours, and everything else it costs to make more Content, only to have to make that amount back again. Remember, it's all about money. But more specifically, it's about SPENDING less money than obtaining more money because to shareholders that spent money looks like a loss to them and they don't want to see any money go down. If you're making billions from shark cards, a few million from DLC after spending millions to make it in the first place isn't that appealing to them
This is what I don't get. Nobody is saying they should have done DLC **instead of** Shark Cards wtf. It's just disappointing they didn't make any additional single player content for the amazing world they invested so much in creating. Despite playing a ton of GTAO I never spent a single penny on it, but I would have happily bought DLC. And I'm sure I'm not alone. DLC would've sold like crazy. It's money left on the table.
Exactly. I mean they aren't really pumping in a whole lot of money in GTAO nowadays so I'm guessing most of their dev time since GTA V has been dedicated to RDR2 and now GTA VI. A dlc for GTA V is hardly as much work as creating a new game from scratch and no, you're not alone. Me and pretty much every gamer I know would buy a GTA V dlc on day one.
One horse sold in WoW made Blizzard more money than Diablo 4.
Way easier, more like. Why make an entire DLC when you can just drip feed overpriced 3D models to people.
Doesn’t matter if every person that bought the game bought story DLC. That would be a one time transaction. They figured out that hundreds of thousands of Joe schmos will spend hundreds of dollars a year on online shit. If we get story DLC for 6 it’s just by some miracle of someone who could throw their weight around at take 2 or rockstar actually caring about the story aspect of the gta legacy
Hope GTA VI gets single player DLC.
It won't. At best we can hope for reasonable single player campaign attached to the bait to get idiots to buy more shark cards.
It won't. Look at what happened to RDR2, the game flopped online and they promptly cut bait on that. Did they move those resources back to SP DLC? Fuck no, back to working on GTA Online. The focus is only on what makes the **most** profit, and it won't ever be single player content. If GTA6's online flops for whatever reason, you can bet they will run back to GTA5's online like nothing ever changed.
I'd rather get a game that doesn't need DLCs to be a complete experience After the years of milking the player base they'd be absolute assholes to even mention DLCs anywhere close to the release
Rockstar used to put out DLC that would put to shame other games entirely. Lost and the Damned, Ballad of Gay Tony, Undead Nightmares. The fact GTA5 was around for so long and never got even one is a crime. If theyre going to sit with a game for over a decade like that it would be nice to give all of us that can't stand the online something.
11 years of Rockstar behaviour very much suggests that it won't. And the things which caused them to not release DLCs for their games in that period of time has only grown worse. We shall count ourselves lucky that GTA VI even gets a singleplayer campaign.
I hope they separate GTA 6 and GTA Online into two separate games. I loved GTA 5 but didn't like GTA Online at all.
I would’ve appreciated that.
Meanwhile us RDR2 players…😭
Makes sense corporations want to make the most amount of money for the least effort possible
Since Rockstar doesn't do dlc, I don't do online paying.
hasnt it already been confirmed that they cancelled 3 single player dlc to focus on the multiplayer instead?
I would have loved for more SP content because its pretty much the only portion of the game i can really play.
This is why I hate fucking GTAO. It fucked so much stuff for the game itself AND RDR2. Fuck R\*.
Gta 5's DLC situation will always bum me out, fuck Gta O.
Honestly never understood why Trevor wasn't around in GTAOnline. I know the story has a few different endings but he would've been great as a mission giver and whatnot
he is a mission giver, and you do a heist with him. he’s just not the contact anymore, the contact for the missions is ron but you see trevor at the end of some of them.
He's in some of the old contact missions. "Diamonds are for Trevor" is the name of one of them. Apparently Dax was originally supposed to be Trevor too, but when they couldn't get Steve Ogg back they rewrote it.
There’s a theory that he was supposed to be the main contact for the juggalo/meth update, but was removed due to him not wanting to be associated with GTA anymore. I don’t remember all of the reasons why people thought this, but I know one of them was that you do *literally* the exact same mission from Trevor’s campaign where you fight off the lost
Leaks said there were maybe 4 cancelled DLC's and one of them maybe introduced a new character.
We've known since forever that there was going to be *GTA V* DLC and that it was canceled so they could focus on *GTA Online*.
Yeah, I remember reading an IGN article shortly after the original launch, and it discussed story DLC plans.
Nice let's rub some salt in the wound
When you can earn 8 billion dollars from GTA online, which takes basically zero effort. Why on earth would you waste time on singleplayer content?. As always the consumers have only themselves to blame. I am surprised they are even bothering with GTA 6. Surely GTA Online can be milked for another decade and 8 billion dollars more?.
I know for the most part Rockstar can be trusted to deliver a good experience but is anyone else just a tad bit worried that Story Mode will take a hit for Online?
No, Rockstar has never compromised on the story mode before.
I mean they didn’t really try with RDR2 Online so i guess we’ll have to see, GTAV Online was their cash cow.
If y'all wanted DLC you shouldn't have bought so many shark cards. I don't know what bullshit GTA VI will have, but you might want to buy your money a black leather wallet and ball gag, because your savings bout to get fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked.
Not only did GTA Online content basically never make it to single player, we lost a bunch of single player stuff to it too. Its like a very profitable tumour. I’m still pissed RDR2 never got any DLC and I blame both the success of GTA:O and the abject failure of RDO
"wait a minute, look how many people are spending stupid money on our half baked online mode? Let's just keep adding real money value shit to that and not spend any more time or money on making the singleplayer component of this game any better". Thank god these games get modded. They'd be so dead without it.
"Why do you care if I pre-order/buy lootboxes/buy battlepasses/buy microtransactions?" Well genius it's because of shit like this. once Shark Cards were a thing all this cool shit we could have had went out the window. And spoiler warning for those looking forward to it, the same thing will happen to GTA 6.
They were going to add DLC featuring Trevor, but when they asked him to be in character, he lost his mind and started insulting them.
GTA Online printing ca$$$h.
One of the things that I never liked was the casino working only for the multiplayer option.
Could we have not at least got additional story added with a remaster? Maybe for the 10 year anniversary they could’ve dropped it or something?
Must have been part of that Agent Trevor dlc that was part of the Rockstar leak
I enjoyed the DLCs of GTAIV a lot. I mean, they have already built the engine and maps and everything. It is such a waste not to add more story in it.
In the normal world of production this would be fine - you can talk about stuff you did _almost ten years ago_ if it was for TV, movies, theatre... Because it's you're _life_. But video games companies still don't act like the rest of the media and are in some ways more petty. They're probably really pissed at him for talking about this.
We couldve had Liberty City and Trevor DLCs but we got shark cards.
I wonder if thats why he has a bit of resentmant for R\*/the role from what ive seen of him since
That’s surprising seeing as how Steven Ogg doesn’t seem to like being associated with the character.
Steven Ogg going to kidnap R* CEOs wife.
Bologna
I think there was 3 planned story DLC for each character in gta but seems like shark cards made enough money for them to repurpose the content for gta online. A lot of the easter eggs was hints for those DLCs
This information has been well known for the past 7-8 years…
This would have been the DLC that brought me back to the game again. Bummer.
Would have gladly paid for and enjoyed a story DLC. No interest in GTA Online.
It's wild that they shot content and didn't follow through. Some games I couldn't care less for, but rockstar always puts out a good story and great dynamics between their characters. Another letdown.
I bet the main story and never touched the multi-player. It's just a cesspool of shit imo
Because idiots kept online alive, singleplayer suffered
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Former? They still make the most ambitious and grandiose cinematic single player experiences available. Is that not something we like anymore or?
GTA online was an awful decision.. It made a lot of shareholders happy.. but awful. GTA 6 is going to be a pay to win mess.
I just want to see Steven Ogg and Walton Goggins as brothers in something.
Guys blame Take two for their scummy/predatory online model. I would've loved to pay another 30 bucks for a story DLC hell even two of them.
Whack. But they add tons of useless stuff
That would definitely be cool but rockstar only focused on online which is big mistake
I will never stop feeling sad thinking what could have been. GTA Online essentially made Rockstar a live-service studio for the majority of the past decade. They had released Red Dead Redemption 2 as the only new game and that was also likely in development already with GTA V.
Bro it's a game. Get over it lmao.