Mixed feelings. On one hand I'd never use YT without adblock, on the other hand the more ads are played / more premium users are, the more money creators get.
I'll always run adblock but I started feeling guilty about the mountain of small creators that weren't getting any revenue from me.
So I've been paying for premium for years. Since I don't pay for Spotify I have google music included in the premium deal and it's fine.
So now I don't have to deal with ads on my smart tvs or phone that I don't run ad block on.
Long story short. Instead of Spotify youtube premium is fine.
I don't think there's much to feel guilty about because if everyone who used ad blockers suddenly stopped, the ad rates would crash.. i mean I don't know the ins and outs of it but it's an ads marketplace so...
> the more ads are played / more premium users are, the more money creators get.
Do you also believe that trickle-down economics works and that poor people should just pull themselves up by the boostraps?
I ask because all three myths have the same validity. There's a reason actual YouTube content creators HEAVILY push patreon and other methods of support.
Myths? The only person perpetuating myths right now is you. YouTube is well known to be the best paying content creator platform.
People push other platforms like Patreon because
1) it doesn't compete with YouTube
2) it's often extremely low effort to collect a lot of money
Adding secondary sources of income doesn't mean the first source of income isn't good
Not only that, there are more people that use YT. This isn't a slight to twitch, I love it. But for probably 80% of people that use both they make more on YT, but it's dependent on a lot of things.
I'm not familiar with trickle-down economics so I can't comment on it.
In my opinion, if 20% of YouTube viewers use adblockers, that's 20% less ads shown therefore 20% revenue loss on YT's and the content creators' side. Obviously the numbers are off but you get the idea.
It's not a game changer by any means, but if the creators end up with more revenue I'm happy with that.
I was supporting ad blockers always up until the point where I started creating and posting content on YT and trying to get some money. It took me a lot of time and effort to build my views and God know how many night of working. I realized how one-sided I was in the past with my opinion "yea, let's just kill all ads and enjoy in the content". Well, someone is busting their a\*\* to make it so at least for start lets stop with this hypocrisy. To be clear, YT should also improve its ad delivery mechanisms and stop being contextually irrelevant.
People creating and posting content on YouTube should earn money through other mechanisms. Ads can only make money for the creator because the ad causes the consumer to spend money on a product. This consumer money could instead go directly to the creator through a donation, and there would be more left over as the company paying for the ad can't take a cut.
>Well, someone is busting their a** to make it so at least for start lets stop with this hypocrisy
But nobody forces them to bust their ass. And nobody is entitled to earn money with their hobby. That's what Jobs are for.
Well nobody forces you either to visit YouTube, but you still do. Why? Because someone was creative enough to create viral content and share it with the world. It is irrelevant whether it is a hobby or not, and believe it or not, a lot of people consider this as a real job, pay taxes, and support their families.
Far larger catalog is why I much prefer. There are a few songs that I really love and the only service you can get them is YouTube Music.
For example.
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=cePSGFI_E5g
Also you get some incredible covers you can't get elsewhere.
https://music.youtube.com/search?q=mummers+dance+loreena+mckennitt
I first her on a TWA plane ride to Hawaii. They use to have a music channel. I completely fell in love with her music.
I happen to have to go to the UK the following week and was so happy TWA was playing the same channel. I guess they changed it each month.
I do NOT know what is "leaks"?
The first part of your post does not make sense so I must be misunderstanding,
Because of course you can listen to songs that are on YouTube. Well you can if you have YouTube Premium. You can't if you do not unless you keep it on your phone and that does not work for me.
I actually turn off my screen. Which is far easier to do on my Pixel so what I mostly use. Apple has the most ridiculous way of turning off your screen.
I am in BKK (crazy hot and humid everyday) and I do a long run every morning and sweat a ton so need my screen turned off.
BKK - Bangkok.
If you could pay for a package that also removes ads from other Google services - especially search, Gmail, and Maps - I'd definitely be willing to subscribe to that.
I don't \*want\* YouTube music. I'm very satisfied with my current music subscription and the way it works in my ecosystem. I do \*want\* to pay for ad-less YouTube, I just don't want to pay for the crap I definitely \*don't\* want. I would have subscribed, literally, years ago if it wasn't such an expensive bloat subscription.
Does searching on YouTube music affect your main YouTube feed? That would really suck if all of sudden you got a ton of music related videos being recommended in your main YouTube feed.
Or if your search history keywords included the ones you used to search YouTube music for.
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Well, guess YouTube somehow gonna push the people to sign up for Premium. I mean come on, nowadays you gonna pay to avoid ads. That’s how the trend goes
Legit question, why do people get mad about this policy if it's a free service that runs on a expensive and large datacenter infrastructure supported by those ads or subscriptions, what do people expect? To be completely free?
I know, it could be less ads maybe, but it's a business after all and the service is still free for all
Honestly, pay for premium if you don't like ads or accept that the value you and the creators gain from the ads playing pays for the service and their content.
I'm in favor and slightly confused why this wasn't happening sooner. People all seem to think that by using ad blockers they're just not giving google money. But they're screwing creators out of money by doing that as well. Unless you plan to donate to every creator for every video of there's you watch you're still stealing.
>But they're screwing creators out of money by doing that as well
Youtube does the same. Also, what physical item am I stealing from the content creators by using adblock?
You don't need to be stealing a physical item to screw the creators. If you don't wanna watch ads, pay for premium or don't watch the content. Simple. Using ad blockers is stealing money from the creators of the content you're watching.
You're just like. The people who think that stealing someone's digital art is okay because they still have the original. It's still stealing.
It's going to hurt them in the long run. Ad revenue is paid on a per-view basis, so they only make money if people see the ads. A lot of people aren't going to disable their ad blockers over this, they'll either use a workaround or go somewhere else. And on top of that, I wouldn't be surprised if some people who normally do disable their ad blocker are going to stop out of solidarity.
Anyway, as a UBlock Origin user, I haven't run into this yet.
What really irritates me is that Google offers ad blockers for YouTube through their Chrome web store Google owns YouTube YouTube tells me I can't use the ad blocker provided to me by their parent company for free from the Chrome web store I've done some research into this and apparently it's because both Google and YouTube make a significant amount of money $29 billion dollars in 2022 from advertisements so why offer me the ad blocker in the first place it literally says ad blocker for YouTube and it's offered on the Chrome web store for free
I think that makes sense. In the end we demand unlimited free content and then get disappointed when there are ads. True, it's not convenient and not the most fun, but in the end it's free... YouTube gives us the option to give up the ads, but we just don't want to pay. We all pay for Netflix without thinking twice because it is legitimate according to the majority
I love the channels I follow but I detest ads (especially how bad they have gotten in YouTube).
I will get YouTube premium when my ad blocker stops working. I hate it but at $11 a month is not bad at all.
No they won't. Google always had the ability to end the ad blockers if they wanted to.
You can't block ads on YoUTube Tv for example. Google has just let it go and I assume to build up the user base.
But looks like they are now going to competely end the blocking of ads which I personally fully suppport.
The problem with allowing the blocking of ads is that is screws the content creators.
Google could always have ended that if they wanted to.
You can NOT block ads on YouTube TV for example.
They have decided to just let it go. I assume to build up the user base. But now that it is the second most popular web site in history and only second to Google Search it looks like they will end the blocking of ads.
I support this. To me it never made sense to allow the ads to be blocked.
Not really a bypass but you can subscribe to YT premium with a vpn in india and you pay for a family subscription ~ $2.30 per month. Just invite your friends and you'll pay $0.50 per month for YT premium.
Wow seriously man, it’s not your money that someone is taking away. If I pay for a family subscription for 5 people, that means all those 5 people must be able to access personalised content anywhere and everywhere. Corporations must not dictate where u can watch. If I share my account with someone, then that’s my problem in terms of personalisation, etc. they’re free to impose limits on simultaneous viewing but prevention altogether is ridiculous.
That will not happen. You can't block ads on YouTube TV. Google always had the ability to do this. They just never did and it really never made much sense.
It will just increase the number of YouTube Premium. The last number of subscribers is now about 18 months old but was over 80 million. This is will take them over 100 million.
I have no idea why Google had not done this a long time ago. They always had the ability. YouTube TV you can't skip ads for example.
Sometimes I think Google makes too big of an effort to be nice. You consume you should pay one way or another. That is just life.
I have no problem with it. I always had an uncomfortable feeling of people skipping ads and the content creators getting screwed.
Never thought that was right.
We have had a Family YouTube Premium since Red days and pretty much as soon as it was available.
It is easy the best money spent for streaming. Hands down,
I consume a ton of YouTube content. Far more than any other streaming services.
So does my wife as she has a lot of hobbies where YouTube is the primary source of information.
What is really nice about YouTube Premium is you do not have to have your screen on. I workout a ton and listen to YouTube while working out. I much prefer to listen to Podcast on YouTube as then you do not have to listen to the ad like you have to do with Apple Podcast service.
So anytime I see a podcast I like on Apple the first thing I do is see if Google has it on YouTube and they do then that is where I listen to it. That way I do not get any ads and the creator is still compensated properly.
I hate this. This will be a problem for most people. One ad at the beginning and and of a video is fine. But Google have to overkill. Too much ads in an all ready ad fueled word is really bad and people don't want it.
If Google sat limits on how many or how long ads would max 30 sec and max 2 ads per video, but not 2 after the other would be liveable for me.
But I can't see a world where Google does a good thing for it's customers.
I'm a content creator. It takes so long to film, edit and do voiceover. I get 60% of ad revenue. I'd like for viewers to not automatically block the ads.
But ads are EVERYWHERE, Oh and let's not forget those content creators who like to plug in "a quick word/shout out to our channel sponsor......" Even though we pay for premium, like seriously WTF is up with that shit?! 😡 How do you justify that u/two_pounds?
Well I'm ok with it, you can pay for premium and avoid them.
Will Google also pay any damage to the people which will fall for the get rich quick ads or investing ads on their platform?
Because they should also commit to that, if they don't like people to skip the ads, I'm mindful that running YouTube has a cost but approving scammy ads should be persecuted
Someone suggested to just 'download' the video and watch it on your device instead of getting 'blocked' trying to stream it, but there is just one SMALL problem with that approach. If attempting to stream (watch) it on Youtube brings-up that horrible patch telling you you're BLOCKED for using Adblock, then you cannot DOWNLOAD the video with the extensions (etc) on Firefox. The download button just doesn't appear at all! Any other useless suggestions?
ads can be placed all around the video (like in many other sites) then it won't be a problem at all, but **they stop your video completely to watch some garbage**.
I got away from TV many years ago, I will do the same with this crap if it sticks.
And for the ones that pay for the premium or whatever it will get ads sooner or later, count on it.
Mixed feelings. On one hand I'd never use YT without adblock, on the other hand the more ads are played / more premium users are, the more money creators get.
I'll always run adblock but I started feeling guilty about the mountain of small creators that weren't getting any revenue from me. So I've been paying for premium for years. Since I don't pay for Spotify I have google music included in the premium deal and it's fine. So now I don't have to deal with ads on my smart tvs or phone that I don't run ad block on. Long story short. Instead of Spotify youtube premium is fine.
I don't think there's much to feel guilty about because if everyone who used ad blockers suddenly stopped, the ad rates would crash.. i mean I don't know the ins and outs of it but it's an ads marketplace so...
Even if someone pay for premium, will the creator get the money from yt for that user?
Yes, absolutely. The more you watch someone as a Premium user, the bigger chunk the creator gets from your subscription.
> the more ads are played / more premium users are, the more money creators get. Do you also believe that trickle-down economics works and that poor people should just pull themselves up by the boostraps? I ask because all three myths have the same validity. There's a reason actual YouTube content creators HEAVILY push patreon and other methods of support.
Myths? The only person perpetuating myths right now is you. YouTube is well known to be the best paying content creator platform. People push other platforms like Patreon because 1) it doesn't compete with YouTube 2) it's often extremely low effort to collect a lot of money Adding secondary sources of income doesn't mean the first source of income isn't good
YouTube is NOT the best paying content creator platform, I can tell you that Twitch pays way more than YouTube.
YouTube takes 45%, twitch takes 50.
Not only that, there are more people that use YT. This isn't a slight to twitch, I love it. But for probably 80% of people that use both they make more on YT, but it's dependent on a lot of things.
It’s also not primarily a live streaming platform and people regularly watch older videos and you’re not mainly getting revenue through subscriptions
I'm not familiar with trickle-down economics so I can't comment on it. In my opinion, if 20% of YouTube viewers use adblockers, that's 20% less ads shown therefore 20% revenue loss on YT's and the content creators' side. Obviously the numbers are off but you get the idea. It's not a game changer by any means, but if the creators end up with more revenue I'm happy with that.
That doesn't make sense if you think about it. Ad rates fluctuate. More supply of eyeballs has got to reduce the rates.
What are the "three myths"?
Cancelled Spotify premium, switched to YouTube premium. Tire AF of ads.
I was supporting ad blockers always up until the point where I started creating and posting content on YT and trying to get some money. It took me a lot of time and effort to build my views and God know how many night of working. I realized how one-sided I was in the past with my opinion "yea, let's just kill all ads and enjoy in the content". Well, someone is busting their a\*\* to make it so at least for start lets stop with this hypocrisy. To be clear, YT should also improve its ad delivery mechanisms and stop being contextually irrelevant.
People creating and posting content on YouTube should earn money through other mechanisms. Ads can only make money for the creator because the ad causes the consumer to spend money on a product. This consumer money could instead go directly to the creator through a donation, and there would be more left over as the company paying for the ad can't take a cut.
>Well, someone is busting their a** to make it so at least for start lets stop with this hypocrisy But nobody forces them to bust their ass. And nobody is entitled to earn money with their hobby. That's what Jobs are for.
Well nobody forces you either to visit YouTube, but you still do. Why? Because someone was creative enough to create viral content and share it with the world. It is irrelevant whether it is a hobby or not, and believe it or not, a lot of people consider this as a real job, pay taxes, and support their families.
You could pay for premium and bypass ads that way.
it isnt a bad deal to be honest, you also get youtube music premium which is basically spotify but better honestly.
What makes it better?
Far larger catalog is why I much prefer. There are a few songs that I really love and the only service you can get them is YouTube Music. For example. https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=cePSGFI_E5g Also you get some incredible covers you can't get elsewhere. https://music.youtube.com/search?q=mummers+dance+loreena+mckennitt
Dang, Loreena McKennit brings me back to high school
I first her on a TWA plane ride to Hawaii. They use to have a music channel. I completely fell in love with her music. I happen to have to go to the UK the following week and was so happy TWA was playing the same channel. I guess they changed it each month.
That's great! My first girlfriend introduced me like 20 years ago. Boy, that takes me back!
Can you listen to songs that are on YouTube only, such as leaks?
Yep! In my experience, if there's a video of the song on regular YouTube, you can listen to it on YouTube music (either in video form or audio only).
I do NOT know what is "leaks"? The first part of your post does not make sense so I must be misunderstanding, Because of course you can listen to songs that are on YouTube. Well you can if you have YouTube Premium. You can't if you do not unless you keep it on your phone and that does not work for me. I actually turn off my screen. Which is far easier to do on my Pixel so what I mostly use. Apple has the most ridiculous way of turning off your screen. I am in BKK (crazy hot and humid everyday) and I do a long run every morning and sweat a ton so need my screen turned off. BKK - Bangkok.
Music leaks, such as songs that weren't officially released, and therefore Spotify and such don't have the right to stream
Gotcha! Yes there are tons of those on YouTube.
If you could pay for a package that also removes ads from other Google services - especially search, Gmail, and Maps - I'd definitely be willing to subscribe to that.
I don't \*want\* YouTube music. I'm very satisfied with my current music subscription and the way it works in my ecosystem. I do \*want\* to pay for ad-less YouTube, I just don't want to pay for the crap I definitely \*don't\* want. I would have subscribed, literally, years ago if it wasn't such an expensive bloat subscription.
How’s YouTube music compared to Apple Music?
they are all the same . spotify / apple / YTmusic all three are very good.
YouTube music has a much larger library and why I much prefer.
Does searching on YouTube music affect your main YouTube feed? That would really suck if all of sudden you got a ton of music related videos being recommended in your main YouTube feed. Or if your search history keywords included the ones you used to search YouTube music for.
That's not bypass, that's Buy-a-Pass.
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Well, guess YouTube somehow gonna push the people to sign up for Premium. I mean come on, nowadays you gonna pay to avoid ads. That’s how the trend goes
YT Premium >
Legit question, why do people get mad about this policy if it's a free service that runs on a expensive and large datacenter infrastructure supported by those ads or subscriptions, what do people expect? To be completely free? I know, it could be less ads maybe, but it's a business after all and the service is still free for all
Honestly, pay for premium if you don't like ads or accept that the value you and the creators gain from the ads playing pays for the service and their content.
Not worth it in terms of how many ads they are. Many times the ads have been 10 fucking minutes. How is that even legal?
I barelly never watch more than one video at a time or is it 3 videos without ads per month? if so I'm screwed
I'm in favor and slightly confused why this wasn't happening sooner. People all seem to think that by using ad blockers they're just not giving google money. But they're screwing creators out of money by doing that as well. Unless you plan to donate to every creator for every video of there's you watch you're still stealing.
>But they're screwing creators out of money by doing that as well Youtube does the same. Also, what physical item am I stealing from the content creators by using adblock?
You don't need to be stealing a physical item to screw the creators. If you don't wanna watch ads, pay for premium or don't watch the content. Simple. Using ad blockers is stealing money from the creators of the content you're watching. You're just like. The people who think that stealing someone's digital art is okay because they still have the original. It's still stealing.
I still couldn't block it.
It's going to hurt them in the long run. Ad revenue is paid on a per-view basis, so they only make money if people see the ads. A lot of people aren't going to disable their ad blockers over this, they'll either use a workaround or go somewhere else. And on top of that, I wouldn't be surprised if some people who normally do disable their ad blocker are going to stop out of solidarity. Anyway, as a UBlock Origin user, I haven't run into this yet.
What really irritates me is that Google offers ad blockers for YouTube through their Chrome web store Google owns YouTube YouTube tells me I can't use the ad blocker provided to me by their parent company for free from the Chrome web store I've done some research into this and apparently it's because both Google and YouTube make a significant amount of money $29 billion dollars in 2022 from advertisements so why offer me the ad blocker in the first place it literally says ad blocker for YouTube and it's offered on the Chrome web store for free
You pay like the rest of us.
I think that makes sense. In the end we demand unlimited free content and then get disappointed when there are ads. True, it's not convenient and not the most fun, but in the end it's free... YouTube gives us the option to give up the ads, but we just don't want to pay. We all pay for Netflix without thinking twice because it is legitimate according to the majority
I love the channels I follow but I detest ads (especially how bad they have gotten in YouTube). I will get YouTube premium when my ad blocker stops working. I hate it but at $11 a month is not bad at all.
VPN to India, make an account and sub as a family account, add your main account to family and you're all good.
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someone will create something to bypass it
No they won't. Google always had the ability to end the ad blockers if they wanted to. You can't block ads on YoUTube Tv for example. Google has just let it go and I assume to build up the user base. But looks like they are now going to competely end the blocking of ads which I personally fully suppport. The problem with allowing the blocking of ads is that is screws the content creators.
6 months later and Adblockers still work.
Hope Brave browser still blocks ads
Don't know why you're being down voted
Stop using YouTube as often. I mean it seriously!
I don't use it often...
This is my favorite add on.
i'll just download the videos and watch form my pc
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I mean YouTube premium is so cheap that it's a step in a good direction I guess...
There is always a way to bypass ads, their ways won't stop people.
Google could always have ended that if they wanted to. You can NOT block ads on YouTube TV for example. They have decided to just let it go. I assume to build up the user base. But now that it is the second most popular web site in history and only second to Google Search it looks like they will end the blocking of ads. I support this. To me it never made sense to allow the ads to be blocked.
i wonder what will they do to free youtube API anyone can use it and bypass ads am i correct??
Just another reason to avoid YouTube
Developers will build blockers that bypass Google's filters and reddit threads like this will tell us their names.
Use Brave browser. And tip creators yourself via crypto. Simple
Not really a bypass but you can subscribe to YT premium with a vpn in india and you pay for a family subscription ~ $2.30 per month. Just invite your friends and you'll pay $0.50 per month for YT premium.
They’re cracking down on this as well, and rightfully so. People like you are ruining things for people in those countries
Wow seriously man, it’s not your money that someone is taking away. If I pay for a family subscription for 5 people, that means all those 5 people must be able to access personalised content anywhere and everywhere. Corporations must not dictate where u can watch. If I share my account with someone, then that’s my problem in terms of personalisation, etc. they’re free to impose limits on simultaneous viewing but prevention altogether is ridiculous.
Don't know ow why your being down voted. You are right
Great initiative. People just want everything free nowadays.
blockers will find a way, have managed so far to block ads since they started having ads.
That will not happen. You can't block ads on YouTube TV. Google always had the ability to do this. They just never did and it really never made much sense. It will just increase the number of YouTube Premium. The last number of subscribers is now about 18 months old but was over 80 million. This is will take them over 100 million.
I have no idea why Google had not done this a long time ago. They always had the ability. YouTube TV you can't skip ads for example. Sometimes I think Google makes too big of an effort to be nice. You consume you should pay one way or another. That is just life. I have no problem with it. I always had an uncomfortable feeling of people skipping ads and the content creators getting screwed. Never thought that was right. We have had a Family YouTube Premium since Red days and pretty much as soon as it was available. It is easy the best money spent for streaming. Hands down, I consume a ton of YouTube content. Far more than any other streaming services. So does my wife as she has a lot of hobbies where YouTube is the primary source of information. What is really nice about YouTube Premium is you do not have to have your screen on. I workout a ton and listen to YouTube while working out. I much prefer to listen to Podcast on YouTube as then you do not have to listen to the ad like you have to do with Apple Podcast service. So anytime I see a podcast I like on Apple the first thing I do is see if Google has it on YouTube and they do then that is where I listen to it. That way I do not get any ads and the creator is still compensated properly.
i will stop using it... cant stand them ads
Dump YouTube
Premium user over here.
Premium user over here.
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I hate this. This will be a problem for most people. One ad at the beginning and and of a video is fine. But Google have to overkill. Too much ads in an all ready ad fueled word is really bad and people don't want it. If Google sat limits on how many or how long ads would max 30 sec and max 2 ads per video, but not 2 after the other would be liveable for me. But I can't see a world where Google does a good thing for it's customers.
I'm a content creator. It takes so long to film, edit and do voiceover. I get 60% of ad revenue. I'd like for viewers to not automatically block the ads.
But ads are EVERYWHERE, Oh and let's not forget those content creators who like to plug in "a quick word/shout out to our channel sponsor......" Even though we pay for premium, like seriously WTF is up with that shit?! 😡 How do you justify that u/two_pounds?
I don't, or try hard not to, watch or listen to ads so I have no idea.
Maybe try Newpipe.
Everyone will eventually migrate to a different platform. YouTube is slowly alienating both creators and consumers.
There is zero chance that is going to happen. How in the world could you have a service without ads and/or a subscription?
I don't think YouTube embeds have ads... Take YouTube api and make your own personal YouTube.. with YouTube embeds...
I just pay for Premium Lite. It's like $6 per month.
Well I'm ok with it, you can pay for premium and avoid them. Will Google also pay any damage to the people which will fall for the get rich quick ads or investing ads on their platform? Because they should also commit to that, if they don't like people to skip the ads, I'm mindful that running YouTube has a cost but approving scammy ads should be persecuted
They've been trying for years.
Someone suggested to just 'download' the video and watch it on your device instead of getting 'blocked' trying to stream it, but there is just one SMALL problem with that approach. If attempting to stream (watch) it on Youtube brings-up that horrible patch telling you you're BLOCKED for using Adblock, then you cannot DOWNLOAD the video with the extensions (etc) on Firefox. The download button just doesn't appear at all! Any other useless suggestions?
use y2mate website (copy video url there)
i have got that, i used any methods and all of them not worked. They win
ads can be placed all around the video (like in many other sites) then it won't be a problem at all, but **they stop your video completely to watch some garbage**. I got away from TV many years ago, I will do the same with this crap if it sticks. And for the ones that pay for the premium or whatever it will get ads sooner or later, count on it.