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TheEffinChamps

Pedal prices are almost meaningless. Opinions on what pedals are "good" changes as much as the weather. I remember when a used RAT and FZ-2 could be had for a 20 because many people thought they were "crap" compared to boutique pedals. Now people obsess over things as stupid as the year of damn DS1 pedals šŸ˜† The majority of the pedal industry is sadly snake oil.


TheDefendingChamp

It is but I love my boutique HM-2 and my rat with 8 clipping options!


LamiaLlama

My boutique DOD Super American Metal was cheaper than the real one!


alphabetown

Drunk Beaver Gang?


nightcreaturespdx

This is so true. I bought my FZ2 for like $60, sold it back to them to pay rent, and then bought it back for $75. I love it to death, but it breaks I'm probably going for the Behringer copy.


kasakka1

A lot of us are addicted to shopping and collecting. Manufacturers are all too happy to push you a marginally different overdrive every few months so you don't forget that brand exists.


cartocaster18

Guitar pedal releases = Craft beer IPA releases Just give me a Coors Original (Boss DS-1) and let me fucking party.


Lilfrankieeinstein

>Guitar pedal releases = Craft beer IPA releases Agreed. Guitar pedal releases are awesome.


Detuned_Clock

Whatā€™s the equivalent to shots because I want to party without having to drink as much?


entarian

Zoom 505


dcott44

Does this mean Amazon Basics pedals are the Keystone Light or Natty Ice of pedals?


Daaaaabearsssss

My man


wakarako

I'd trade all my pedals for a band I could play in that just plays dumb stupid power chord punkrock. All the guys I know in my age (35-40) are so sophisticated and are more interested in testing and showing off their gear than in actually playing some music.


Jonnymixinupmedicine

You can find musicians in your mid 30s is whatā€™s impressive. I canā€™t find anyone to collaborate with and Iā€™ll literally play whatever.


alexander66682

I have that issue too. I finally found a drummer and il protect him like he is gold! I actually am in a band with no bassist for the same reason but I play a baritone that runs into a bass can and my usual guitar rig so lows are covered. Itā€™s hard to find people, let alone people with talent that are on the same page as you are musically. Like a lottery


Jonnymixinupmedicine

Bro, I even play drums and still struggle. Iā€™d prefer guitar, but fuck it at this point. I donā€™t suck either. I played quads in drum line, played drum set in indoor drum line and won state, snd still practice to a metronome. Iā€™ve even sat in jazz bands, but thatā€™s not my forte. Iā€™ll play bass, keys, drums, but Iā€™d prefer guitar. At this point I just miss making music with other musicians. Everything Iā€™ve been writing the past two years has been sequenced.


alexander66682

Iā€™ve definitely learned to play drums to compensate for the lack of having one. I have this dude who is pretty rad. I really need another guitarist. Finding a vocalist thatā€™s cool and sounds great I think is like finding a Sasquatch. Iā€™ve heard of them but never actually seen one.


DrSeafood

I joined a local facebook group called "Toronto Musicians Connect," where people just post what they're looking for. Usually someone names a few bands they like, and what instrument they play. Then a bunch of people comment and I guess they meet up and jam. I've met a lot of musicians and set up jams/gigs this way. Rock, jazz, metal, rnb ā€¦ Itā€™s a dope page. Maybe your area has something like that?


rapple77

Just said exactly this to my girlfriend yesterday! Iā€™m getting into your age and my board and chain turn more and more sophisticated, while Iā€™m not really getting closer to actual music or performing Iā€™ve even sold all of my pedals this winter. And accumulated same amount since (this time itā€™s a more deliberate choice though, so at least this)


CmdOptEsc

My board over the years has become a finely tuned, tidy piece of endless possibilitiesā€¦ then i jammed with some new people and I found myself just using comp, one drive, reverb the whole time, no switching of anything


loopy_for_DL4

Man I just want to find friends and play explosions in the sky with them, so I feel this


Vairman

Man, that would be fun. If we knew each other I'd go for that.


running_red

I feel this.


ObiWanJimobi

I was exactly at that spot a few years back. Started a band with a mate and it became more about the stuff than the music and enjoyment real quick. Walked away and told myself it has to be about the fun or there is no point.


cassettetapehero

It's a shame because we spend so much time not actually hanging out with anyone or making music. Myself and others I know are so worn out from having our blood squeezed out to earn a living that being in a band seems for young and/or privileged people. I'm not in a band right now because last time I joined a group they stopped playing just as we were sounding good and doing shows and it was just surfy punk stuff but sometimes simple isn't easy. Got sick of working in restaurants and playing in bands and went back to school.


geodebug

>Mama let that boy play some rock and roll Jazz is much too crazy, he can play it when he's old He's too young for the blues He's still inside his first pair of shoes You're supposed to be in your Jazz period.


belbivfreeordie

Man I miss being in a band so much. Got two young kids so I just canā€™t commit to gigging with any regularity, which is what most people aspire to. Need to find some people who are happy with just casual jams and such.


lykwydchykyn

When your unpopular opinion is what everyone is secretly thinking.


wakarako

Are we all just guys 30 and above buying toys to fill the void that the 9-5 grind turned our lives into? Shhh, don't respond. I think we all know the answer.


Im_A_Real_Boy1

My Boss DS-2 likes Will Ferrell's episodes in The Office


OnetimeImetamoose

Nearly every unpopular pedal opinion Iā€™ve seen has been the prevailing popular opinion in almost every forum Iā€™ve been a part of, and itā€™s the same in the synth, guitar, and bass communities. ā€œCheap gear is better than expensive gearā€ is the most common opinion of them all, and I think that it misses the point in the same way that ā€œexpensive gear is better than cheap gearā€ does. It doesnā€™t feel like either group really pushes the boundaries of sound all that much, which is absolutely fine, but it kind of also takes the teeth out of their argument since at that point the things theyā€™re doing arenā€™t all that different from each other anyway. Bleep bloop music may suck to you, but it doesnā€™t to tons of people. The same is true of blues rock, shoegaze, death metal, country, pop, neo-soul, post-rock, and everything else you can think of. Every one of those genres has bedroom players (a fine type of player), weekend warriors (a fine type of player), and touring musicians (shaky but Iā€™ll allow it). I donā€™t even know what my own point is anymore, but I donā€™t love seeing a competitive spirit in the arts when thereā€™s no actual metrics for better or worse beyond what works for each individual.


shake__appeal

Well spoken, but Iā€™m not sure you actually made any sort of point here. There are perfectly valid ā€œunpopular opinionsā€ in this thread, and I was pretty damn surprised to hear some new ones.


The-Neat-Meat

Redditā€™s format inherently and actively discourages dissent, so actual hot takes are scarce.


sudiptaarkadas

Bass pedals are superior to guitar pedals and work better on guitars.


smallerthings

A lot of bass pedals have a mix knob that lets you decide how much clean vs effected tone comes through. That alone is such an awesome utility to have on drives in particular.


Papa_Huggies

My man.


shake__appeal

What are your best examples of this?


SolarSailor46

Would love to know this too


sudiptaarkadas

Boss Bb1x, ehx delux bass big muff, sansamp bass driver di.


_Bucket_Of_Truth_

Captain Lee doesn't know how to use pedals


IllegalGeriatricVore

That man could dial in a bad tone on an EQD Acapulco gold.


kowal89

I like him for honesty, he will make 30 minutes video trying to sell amp emulation pedal and at the end will say tube amps still sound better and fuck it. :D


Simple_Mechanic_6999

I love the captain but man youā€™re right lol


Dave_guitar_thompson

A 6 pedal limit will cover 90% of gigs. Tuner, wah, overdrive/distortion, eq pedal, modulation of some kind, delay. Iā€™ve done a lot of gigs with 3 pedals on a mini board and itā€™s been enough, often less pedals forces you into being a more creative player.


Echo_Red

I love it. I gigged, toured, and recorded for years with just tuner>wah>noise gate>Boss DD-20. Distortion and reverb came from amp.


ChanceFree

My rig is Big Muff, Mojomojo Overdrive, and a Behringer Vintage Delay. I'll swap out the Delay for a chorus if we are doing 80s covers. No-one ever notices....


Dave_guitar_thompson

Nobody in the audience will notice or care about your pedal. A simple performance gimmick like jumping up while playing, everyone will notice. At one gig we launched rubber ducks with personal messages or prizes on into the crowd; people were still talking to us about it years later.


SignificantKoala2993

I always find it funny when I see people list a wah as their essential. To me itā€™s almost as essential as a ring mod


Dave_guitar_thompson

I mean feel free to switch it out for something youā€™d use more. I always have at least one song in a set that benefits from it.


Potem2

Ive done wedding gigs with just a zoom multistomp.


SolarSailor46

More pedals = more fun at home tho!! šŸ˜‚ A *strong but reasonable* collection of pedals is great for playing with others. Iā€™ve had bandmates come up with ideas after hearing sounds that I was making with guitar pedals that people call ā€œimpossible to use in a band contextā€. Iā€™ve also experienced the opposite lol so gotta get lucky with your bandmateā€™s ability, willingness and open-mindedness to hear songs where others may not. I shit you not, I brought my Microcosm to practice to just have it and run through some cool settings real quick to show the people, and the bass player picked up on a rhythmic part on one of THE most esoteric settings on the pedal and wrote a whole verse and chorus based off of it. Pedals donā€™t always have to be front and center to inspire and help with ideas!


Jim_Troeltsch

I use a fuzz face, a tuner, a rat, a pharaoh, a boost, into a reverb and delay. I also have a chorus/vibrato but I never use it. I've never needed anything else and if I had a combo reverb/delay I'd probably be better off.


dontlookatthebanana

unpopular opinion: popular opinions are not necessarily correct. in general, they are built off of communal experience. but music is art. using 6 gain stages, gigging a boutique wet pad reverb/delay/bitcrusher pedal, running modulation into drive or running a cab sim into an old tube amp are all personal choice because art is experimentation and subjective. ā€˜if you arenā€™t painting the ceiling of the sistine chapel, you arenā€™t making art dudeā€™ is what popular opinion sounds like to me.


alexander66682

I like this. Do whatever you want! Who made all these rules?? Some of my coolest sounds came from just experimenting and not following the order of things! You get it!


Djeece

People sometimes forget it's art. Your 200$ guitar and 200$ amp gives you the sound you want? All the power to you!


alexander66682

Couldnā€™t agree more.


vario

Chase Bliss pedals aren't meant to play music in a live environment. They are noise making tools for studio & bedroom players. And that's OK - but those pedals don't make sense for playing in a band.


belbivfreeordie

It seems like when people say ā€œin a bandā€ when commenting on the usefulness of a pedal, they almost always mean ā€œin a loud rock band that mostly plays distorted power chords.ā€ There are other kinds of bands.


PantslessDan

Its also not just guitar players using them.


8f12a3358a4f4c2e97fc

Yes! I find many negative opinions on weirder pedals always seem to boil down to "I can't use this in my AC/DC cover band so they are only for bedroom musicians". I use CBA pedals (on my bass) live in my weirdo noise band and they work wonderfully. Different tools for different jobs.


Howamidriving27

I'll piggy back on this one: these last few bleep bloop pedals they've made are pretty much all the same pedal. Mood, Blooper, Habit, Onward (I'm probably missing one) all just do weird, unpredictable looping type stuff. There's obviously some great minds at the company, I just wish they would put that creative energy towards something else.


TheDefendingChamp

I legit just watched the onward pedal demo and felt like they already made that pedal 3x already. Extremely cool peda though.


vario

They're perfect for making background music for YouTube pedal review videos... wait a minute...


chthonickeebs

I won't argue that stuff like Mood, Habit, etc. are easy to incorporate universally, but you could use a Dark World or Generation Loss in just about any genre of music, including in live settings, just fine. But even the ones where you're tempted to sit there and fiddle with like they're instruments all their own can be used effectively live with proper midi control.


Dunmer_Sanders

Iā€™d look closer. I have a Tonal Recall, a Gravitas and Dark World, all of which are indispensable live tools. Thermae, Brothers, and Condor are also totally viable.


tmemo18

If only you knew how wrong you are, respectfully. They are getting more and more use live and itā€™s amazing. They are quite common out there nowadays.


OnetimeImetamoose

I use them in live settings every single week. Iā€™m playing an alt-rock gig tomorrow night where the Mood, Thermae, and Bliss Factory will be heavily featured in my bass rig. Is use the Habit, Gen Loss mkii, and Dark World in my metal and country stuff all of the time. I think that pretty much anything can be used for anything if you are intentional about the sounds. Chase Bliss and even weirder pedals are more useful than people are comfortable giving them credit for. I donā€™t know if the pushback from traditional players stems from fear of change, option paralysis, lack of curiosity, or a combination of the three, but itā€™s a bummer to me that people arenā€™t seeing the full potential of ā€œunusableā€ pedals. Itā€™s the reason that all of the most interesting Boss pedals stopped being made and are now super expensive. We didnā€™t know what we had with the Slow Gear until it was gone. I fear that weā€™re gonna do the same thing with Chase Bliss, Gamechanger, Pladask, Hologram, and any other builder that tries to put something different out there.


thewhowiththewhatnow

ā€œIt is bad when one thing becomes two. One should not look for anything else in the Way of the Samurai. It is the same for anything that is called a Way. If one understands things in this manner, he should be able to hear about all ways and be more and more in accord with his own.ā€ Some people just lack imagination. People donā€™t need to like everything but itā€™s easy enough to ignore things youā€™re not interested in. The existence of anyone elseā€™s music does not invalidate my own.


Agile-Brilliant7446

If you're clever enough anything can be used in a song. That's kind of the essence of creativity itself. Not your fault you can find a way to use it and they can't.


tmemo18

Always love seeing your stuff on the CBA page :)


Superduperdrag

I just a band live with a Mood. Granted, they used it to make glitchy noise.


geodebug

Sort of true but midi presets make your carefully crafted bleep-bloop settings available for live music. Just probably not going to be a standard-issue rock band using it.


p90SuhDude

The old school Dallas Rangemaster and Colorsound Overdriver circuits are the best overdrive circuits ever made. The modern tweaked versions are amazing too.


astrovic0

Yep, right here with ya on this. I really like the RM, but the Overdriver is my absolute favourite


p90SuhDude

Same the Overdriver has my favorite. Both are super dynamic and just play so well with an amp. There is very few over drive I canā€™t put in the same conversation as those two


belbivfreeordie

Itā€™s crazy to me how dirt sounds ā€” to my taste ā€” never really got better. Unless I were playing metal, iā€™d take dirt pedals and amps designed in the 60s any day.


shake__appeal

Even metal sounds better through vintage amps (at least the metal Iā€™m playing, for chugs youā€™ll probably want a new high gain).


PsychicArchie

My Rangemaster clone and overdriver clone, along with a tone bender clone (along with guitarā€™s volume knob)are all the dirt I need. The Rangemaster is the most unappreciated pedal ever. Every time I see a SOtB pic I look for one, I canā€™t remember the last time I saw one.


wordfactories

My Black Arts ToneWorks "Black Forest" is pretty cool


rincon213

Pedals respond so differently to different guitars, amps, boards, players, and recording gear. This makes video demos almost pointless, especially shootouts.


octowussy

Most video demos are pointless for me anyway because I'm primarily a rhythm player and they're mostly a bunch of dudes wanking away. Most, not all. Shoutout to Noise Generator.


geodebug

Good pedal demos show you the features and give you a good idea of what you're buying. Andy Reverb and Pete Thorn tend to do a great job, showing various sounds on various guitars and explaining the settings to get there.


kulturembargo

Hate Wahs


MrBynx

Damn... This one is controversial


kulturembargo

Admittedly I do like the use of Wah on ā€žperfect from now onā€œ by built to spillšŸ˜… one of my favorite recordings


KeepItMello13

I used to hate wah. Then I realized what I really hate is people that overuse wah.


JohnBeamon

My whole opinion of wah changed when I got a switchless one. Prince's "1999" has one guitar track in the verses with 4 beats of wah at the end of every second line. So that's either a second guitarist entirely, or stomping that toe button in and out, or a switchless piece of cake. I went from using a wah twice in a show to using it whenever I felt inspired.


Sluice_Jounce

Listen that song a million times and never heard that until you pointed it out! Subtle but rad. I love that we musicians buy gear for such nuanced things.


tonegenerator

Iā€™d like them more if people/companies were open to some more distinct synthy filter types. Instead of a basic bandpass, wouldnā€™t some guitarists appreciate just a Moog-style resonant lowpass filter inside a wah/expression housing? Perhaps with a resonance control knob on the side, or even a second expression pedal. The closest I know of is the original Moogerfooger MF-101 controlled with an external CV expression pedal. Then thereā€™s the possibility of using dual peak resonance that can start to create more convincing vocal sounds besides wah/wow like:Ā https://youtu.be/jpbFnsusfp0?si=pCRpMkU0wE4Nv3cv Also I tend to hate autowah until itā€™s a plugin or something else with a lot of control over the auto- control section. An auto-lowpass pedal is something Iā€™d probably use on synths and lots of other things. But the second an autowah envelope gets too presumptuous and shrill on me, Iā€™m out.Ā 


psychedelicdevilry

Kirk Hammett is on the way to your house with a baseball bat


kulturembargo

Let him come. Iā€˜m ready for his sorry ass! Heā€˜s my prime enemy. Time to settle this once and for all


Jim_Troeltsch

Me too!


PeanutNore

Your board will probably work just fine off of a One Spot


LamiaLlama

Or a Caline for that matter.


anthonyrucci

Can you elaborate? I played a lot of rooms with a one spot that had inconsistent power and the Voodoo Labs power supply has been a game changer. Iā€™m not even totally sure why tbh, but I donā€™t run into any of the power or lag issues I did playing live without it


tokimasa

Voodoo Lab is isolated so the pedals do not interact or interfere with each other. The One Spot is probably the best power supply for daisy chaining though. Not every setup needs isolated power though, especially when they are small. However, if you're building a space station with 15 pedals, all the lfo bleeps and bloops travel on the common ground line and create noise.


bindermichi

My pedals donā€˜t have their own opinions


Fair_Wish845

Boards are lame, itā€™s Cooler to make a big circle on stage and stand in the center.


Papa_Huggies

Circles are just cooler than rectangles quite frankly. I'm of the mind that I should make a circle of fuzzfaces


Deblooms

People who buy a lot of boutique pedals are less annoying than people who cry about boutique pedals being overrated in every thread


Papa_Huggies

Boutique pedals are overrated. They sound the same when plugged into my Line 6 Spider


Moo-Tron

Most overdrive pedals sound the same or can be dialled in to sound near indistinguishable.


Free-Combination-773

But these "common point" settings may not be what you want from pedal though.


nevermorefu

The terrible pedals from the 90s and 2000s are still terrible.


GuitarFritz

Found out yesterday this is apparently super unpopular, but sideways pedals donā€™t look good on a pedalboard. :)


ButtSexington3rd

I generally hate sideways pedals, until my most recent board configuration. I had to put my ehx Pitchfork sideways for space and I realized I could see the knob and switch positions better that way.


duffinky

Any pedal that inspires you is a good pedal. Doesnā€™t matter how much it costs or what itā€™s doing for you. Want to pay $500 for a Mood because you like that one stretch function? Go for it. Enjoy. There will always be someone who looks at your board and thinks youā€™re an idiot or an asshole for setting it up or using it a certain way. ā€¦except for all you flanger users ew gross grow up yuck.


Spountz

Drive pedals mostly sound the same if you know how to set them properly. With a compressor and good EQ on your amp, you can make any drive pedals sounds like a TS, a klon or a bluesbreaker.


Papa_Huggies

As an experiment I've managed to make my Klon identical to my TS, and vice versa. Also can make Fender sound Marshally or Voxxy. Great form of learning how to EQ


emmobrien

I think it's more accurate to say "You can find settings on both that sound the same". This doesn't mean you can get all the same sounds from every pedal.


Soggercat

Fuzz is better than distortion


SammyMacUK

No one wants to listen to our ambient swells.


Papa_Huggies

Hey Gertude from church said it was really interesting.


bumpyfelon

I don't really see the point in fuzzes that try to "blend fuzz and overdrive" as their main thing. To me fuzzes sound best when they get more unruly, with a more unpredictable character to the drive. Sure, I love a low-drive germanium fuzz into other gain sources, but for straight fuzz tone, I need something a bit more recognizable as a fuzz. Otherwise I'll use just a quality OD or distortion.


LamiaLlama

I think the idea of a wooly overdrive is appealing. Clarity and character all in one In practice that's not really how it works, sadly. But the dream keeps people going.


pisspantmcgee

The Boss Metal Zone is a badass motherfucker.


IllegalGeriatricVore

RATs are not an appropriate recommendation for people looking to play modern metal.


LamiaLlama

And neither is the HM2, that's for a much more specific sound. The Metal Muff *is* appropriate, however, but it's time we admit it's just a Metal Zone with a different EQ section. Also the DOD Death Metal has always been a great pedal. I'm tired of pretending it wasn't.


mysterymanatx

What is?


IllegalGeriatricVore

I could name like half a dozen off the top of my head. Rev pedal (red or purple), empress heavy, 5150, vox cutting edge (my personal favorite), amptweaker stuff, BEOD (deluxe only imo, the standard is garbage because it has no mids), metal zone waza.


Forever_Abomination

Add Wampler Dracarys, itā€™s a great pedal.


sabins253

JHS doesn't deserve the hate it gets. They own the fact they do clones. They also make some damned good ones. I understand the early hate, yet now they just make quality pedals. They might not be ground breaking, but they are definitely road worthy. I'll always keep the pulp-n-peel v3 , the moonshine, and the panther cub v2 on my board.


mysterymanatx

I have an OG panther I have been trying to replace for a bit now because itā€™s big af on my board and I just canā€™t find anything better. Itā€™s a solid pedal


vario

They've been building a lot of limited run & "meme" pedals over the last couple of years. I love them for it because they actually build quality products & actually deliver. People both rail against it and eat it up - they've found their niche.


Squallhorn_Leghorn

They can pry my Colour Box V2 from my cold dead hands. I'd buy another in a second - and I bet they inflated in cost more than I want to know over the pandemic.


Crow_Eye

I don't get this fetishization of playing live being the only way certain people can discuss pedals, and it being a gold standard. I don't give a fuck if you play to twelve board people in a shitty bar, and "your tone really cut through the mix". So what?


sludgefeaster

The HM-2 should be better known because of the cool sounds it can achieve, not the shitty ass chainsaw sound. It gives it a bad name.


SmilingSideways

There are TubeScreamer pedals being released these days that arenā€™t Tubescreamers. Now apply this to every other type of drive, Klonā€™s, Boosts etc. More knobs doesnā€™t mean it expands upon its base ability - it just turns it into an EQ pedal.


Dethfield

EQ pedals are severely underestimated by most guitar players, including those on this subreddit. The amount of change they can impart on your sound is far larger than the 15th boutique OD you just got.


wembley

Youā€™re better off with an HX Stomp (or similar) than a bunch of pedals. For the cost of 3-4 pedals, you get many more options in a smaller form factor and it will likely have 90% of the tones youā€™re looking for. While itā€™s not as immediate as twisting knobs on a dedicated pedal, you can make tweaks relatively quickly - and the trade off is that you have dozens of tweaked settings instantly available.


theTallBoy

Putting together a board for touring is about reliability before sound.


PowRyda

Most players have way too many pedals.


TheIceKing420

synth pedals are dumb, just get a synth... there are plenty that can be had for the cost of a silly synth pedal that tracks like sh*t anywayĀ 


slingstyle

I think it's silly to have $1500 in pedals and yet play through a dirt cheap starter amp. (I completely understand the rebuttals to this; I like the Peavey Vypyr as much as the next guy, but it just tastes bad to me)


Jim_Troeltsch

The BAT Pharaoh Supreme is the best fuzz pedals every made. Nothing will improve upon it. The rest should just give up. We should all just use Pharaohs going forward.


Cursed_Creative

Knowledge plus a multi-effect is all you need. I run a gt-1 into my DAW and play it live straight to the desk or my portable PA. Understanding EQ, boost, edge of breakup, how different environments affect tone, using your ears and sufficient monitoring are all way more important than the perfect pedalboard. Also, once you understand and achieve good tone then STOP and PLAY, PRACTICE, WRITE, REHEARSE and PERFORM, i.e. stay off this forum except to help others.


deathmetaloverdrive

There's a lot of snobbery in the community overall on both sides. And the amount of gear needed is dependent on the music you make. I can't gig with three pedals, I've tried. But I also don't need any more pedals. GAS isn't real. It's just poor mental restraint on cool sounding things. I'm somewhere in the middle where yeah I like having pedals, but I also don't need walrus everything and a million kinds of noise makers. I like nice sounding things, and don't want to play with behringer shit either. However, I think dad rockers that say you don't need any gear, or that you can gear with an overdrive and delay need to shut the fuck up. That is fitting for YOUR music. Like, why are you browsing a pedal board subreddit if you think it's unnecessary? Musicians are so egotistical they think their way is the best way. Bitch, how come people with Axe Fx units (something I detest) are more successful in music than I am? It's cause it works for them. I may dislike it, but shit what do I know?


Simple_Mechanic_6999

You only need boss pedals, thereā€™s a good chance your fancy boutique pedal is a clone of a boss pedal


lykwydchykyn

Having spent a few years building pedals, I'd actually say Boss pedals are some of the least-cloned or tweaked for boutique pedals. 60's fuzzes, Muffs, tubescreamers, bluesbreakers, and Rats are pretty common bases for people to build off of. You might see something based on a DS-1 or Metalzone, but it seems like the exception to me.


SquareEquipment1436

I'd trade all my pedals for a marshal stack and I'd od be just as happy.


PeanutNore

Your board will probably work just fine off of a One Spot


Dorkdogdonki

An expensive pedal isnā€™t necessarily gonna sound much better than a cheap pedal. Playing in a band or into a mix, theyā€™re all gonna sound more or less the same. But thereā€™s reasons why I covet pricey pedals (in general, not all) which are less common in cheaper pedals: * **compatibility with other effects**. My Polychrome doesnā€™t sound twice as good as a boss BF-2. But the tone it produces is much easier to blend and use with other effects imo. * **Inspiration to create interesting sounds**. A nice pedal, just like a nice guitar, inspires one to create play. A cheap pedal gets the job done, but a nice pedal makes me want to play more. I wouldnā€™t have explored new sounds and settings if not for one of the quirky effects on my pedal that is fun to dial in. Unfortunately, this logic can lead to GAS so need to really control oneself to see what you really want. * **Good balance of traditional tones and quirks**. I dislike purchasing pedals that are one trick ponies for just that one effect in that one song. At the same time, pedals with only traditional tones (which are easier to use) can get boring. I like it when my pedal can do both.


Losmpa

I see the point being made, yet itā€™s ironic that all this discontent is being vented on a guitar pedals subreddit. We are all here, unable to stop looking at pedals. šŸ¤”


PriorityNaive1274

Whammy tones are awful


ghoulierthanthou

Omg agreed. Every pitch shifter that does that shitty ā€œdigital chipmunkā€ sound enrages me.


Ok-Seaworthiness2487

Have you gigged with a Joyo power supply? Are they noisy? I borrowed a MXR Iso Brick and it was pretty noisy with 2 pedals on. I bought a Cioks DC10 and it is so much quieter!


EpicClusterTruck

The RAT is good for some things, but it doesnā€™t need to be on every single pedalboard


ILikePointyGuitars

I don't like when pedals have a bunch of different modes or features I never use. I prefer set it and forget it


smallerthings

EHX can eat a dick. A ton of great pedals, a million options, but after all this time you're still using these god awful switches? I love my Russian Muff reissue...but it's practically unusable. The switch cuts out, literally cuts my sound completely off until I press it a bunch of times to fix whatever is wrong with it, and adds static. You're a huge company, stop it. On top of that, it's a manufacturer defect that's widely know, but they want to charge you to send it in to fix. Say what you will about Walrus, but they'll fix your shit for free and that's awesome.


CK_Lab

Tubescreamers are bland, 1 trick pony, and terrible as a standalone overdrive into a clean amp. As a boost, they lack enough boost to really push an amp like I need. EQ pedals are far superior and typically cheaper.


przemek_b

Digital pedals, multieffects and VST plugins sound amazing these days and are in no way inferior to analog gear.


sudiptaarkadas

2nd one: You really don't need a reverb pedal. What you actually need is a delay pedal. Applying a room or hall algorithm while playing in a room or hall is just plain stupid. And delays do the actual shimmer. Just because strymon chose to call shimmer a reverb it doesn't become reverb. It was just a genius marketing trick.


i_am_VEENUUS

Pedals are way too overpriced


someguy192838

* If you play live anywhere other than at Church, you probably donā€™t need a Strymon ā€œJet Plane Cockpitā€ Reverb. * Fuzz pedals are ā€œmehā€. * The plain old TS-9 is a great pedal.


lastburn138

Behringer SF300, although very well loved around here. I hate it.


thapussypatrol

Delay seems to get so much love but I've never really understood why; I have the Boss DD6 and it does its thing fine, but a lot of people seem to gush overdelay pedals - it's just not important at all for me


Square__Wave

Iā€™d rather have delay than a reverb pedal if the amp doesnā€™t have reverb of its own.


KentuckyWildAss

Jhs Pedals use the same format/approach as Berhinger, Joyo, Mosky, etc. Their quality is also on par with those brands. The only reason they're popular is because of their YouTube videos.


elijuicyjones

Drive pedals are overrated.


LamiaLlama

Boosts/amp breakup are overrated. I want my tone to come from the pedal, not from pushing the amp. Signed, Roland JC user


overcloseness

I wish mentioning the type of genre you play is required when saying this like that.


Papa_Huggies

Amp and boost pedal fan? I personally never have my drive pedals' gain set past like 11 o'clock at most because I like just a touch of hair on the amps.


Chef_Dani_J71

The popular consensus is that pedals made in Malaysia are the best. Pedals made in any other part of Asia are trash.


drabdab6

Malaysia mentioned šŸ‡²šŸ‡¾


ClownFartz

All Big Muffs basically sound the same. Yeah yeah, different features or pot values or whatever. They all sound like Big Muffs. There's no special version.


BogotaLineman

I agree about every version except the opamp muff. The opamp muff sounds different (and better) than all the others


KeirTecheon

I donā€™t like compressors, now I may well just be ignorant, and I have one in case I feel the need to use it, but I feel it just removes the skill of being able to play evenly to ensure consistency I also get how some may prefer it for their play style but not for me


The-Neat-Meat

Tube screamers are garbage. Boxy, shitty, plastic sounding pedals. Big muffs with added mids sound like dogshit. Adding mids beyond a certain point, be it via switching, a knob, or just tweaked set eq, makes it sound absolutely nothing like a Big Muff and it becomes truly unpleasant. The BOSS DS-1 is one of the worst drives ever made, and itā€™s reevaluation in recent years is almost solely due to soyfacing gearfluencers looking for good clickbait, rather than the pedal being worth even the parts used to build it. EQD largely makes gimmicky pedals that do ā€œle quirky weird pedal soundā€, but do so in a way that is made digestible for normie dorks. Both the selling point ā€œweird thingā€ and more traditional sounds tend to be fairly pedestrian and boring, in most of their stuff. This is true of most ā€œweirdā€ pedal builders, where there is rarely a balance found between usable sounds and a novel idea, or the ā€œweirdā€ thing is actually just kinda boring and canned/limiting. Same goes for ā€œ(genre) in a boxā€ pedals, that shit blows. Cool, you have a button that makes Loveless happen, a record that was made by combining and tweaking separate effects in inventive and interesting ways. Good job, gazelawyer! Soft click switches can eat my entire ass. Completely for bedroom players hitting it with a sock, rather than someone on stage who needs that tactile feedback to know they engaged or disengaged it fully. DBA is great but man, the Fuzz War is not a good pedal. JHS has made almost no pedals that are not a bland version of something better and, in many cases, cheaper. Their show has become a cringe circlejerk with a neurotic fixation on inconsequential minutiae that have nothing to do with sound, and the smarmy attitude towards the tangible negative impact their stupid limited releases and Joshā€™s personal hoarding of hard to find shit have had on the market is obnoxious as hell. Josh, shut yo hoe ass up and make some pedals (that you didnā€™t copy). Let the downvotes flow EDIT (actually like the third one but oh well!): oh yeah, and if I see a band setting up with Chase Bliss pedals, itā€™s my cue to buy another drink and go chainsmoke outside for the next 20-30 minutes.


tmemo18

Those who donā€™t understand CBA pedals are simpletons afraid of exploration and learning the pedal as its own instrument.


geodebug

I'm not afraid, just a simpleton who can't be bothered. Love CBA and Joel seems awesome though.


Papa_Huggies

I've never even heard of the abbreviation so simpleton it is


tmemo18

Chase Bliss Audio


jr7square

Fuzz is overrated.


belbivfreeordie

I only have one problem with JHS, and itā€™s not the same problem anybody else has with JHS. And that is, those initials were already notable in the guitar pedal world long before they came around, and used by people to refer to John Hornby Skewes. Youā€™d think a pedal historian like Josh would know that and name his company something else.


snarf_the_brave

John Hornby Who? I've played since the 80s and that's the first I've seen/heard that name. And I'm going to do the reddit thing here and, instead of googling it myself ask who it is and how they're notable in the pedal world.


belbivfreeordie

Most notable to pedal geeks today for making the Zonk Machine. Google the rest!


Papa_Huggies

I actually don't know what the hate is with JHS, maybe just blissfully oblivious. Dude makes pedals and vids. And the vids aren't even shilling his own pedals.


LamiaLlama

I think it's bizarre that he cloned Devi's Hyperion, claimed he never heard of her before, and then when people traced out the circuits realized that the clone was so exact that Josh even left in design errors from the original that wouldn't be replicated by coincidence. In the thread Josh just doubled down and kept insisting on lateral thinking. Like what? It's more than the circuits being similar. It's a 1:1 lift. He never owned up to it. Also bizarre that a "historian" has such huge gaps in what popular pedals he suddenly doesn't know about. Especially as a forum junkie. He knew about Devi, and he knew about Haunting Mids. He was being a shitter. At least he never tried to deny knowing what a Klon is. But he did try to make believe his clone page was hidden/private despite being on Google.


overcloseness

There was some controversy circling around Joshā€™s opinions on some things that are based on his Christian background. I really like the guy and I feel like he did more than enough to explain himself and make amends, but it did leave a sour note in peoples ears so to speak


GabbiStowned

I agree to (as a target group of his phobia). He feels like heā€™s made amends and what heā€™s done since, if anything, points to the opposite. Itā€™s one of the few guitar channels that lacks a dude/lad vibe and tired sexist/misogynistic humor. Plus he put out a good video about being a better person and donated quite a bit during the BLM protests. Maybe itā€™s marketing but to me he comes off as a guy with the heart in the right place.


Locutus_of_Sneed

I'm convinced that much, if not the majority, of JHS hate is centered around wanting to find something wrong with his beliefs. Failing that, people try to glom onto anything else they can think of that might smear the guy's reputation. And I'm an atheist, I truly could not give a fuck about the actual religion part; it's just painfully obvious. When you get down to brass tacks, it's all nothing-burgers.


overcloseness

Exactly, and they make entertaining videos and for such a niche interest, I thank JHS for it! Also JHS if youā€™re reading this, I hope people arenā€™t sleeping on your Series 3 Fuzz. I have like 50 fuzz pedals and the simplistic Fuzz Face that you can rip with that bias knob is such a killer pedal and lives on my board, sandwiched between Hoof and a Fuzz Factory


Spaced_cadet5

Every single pedal if the form is good and has some sort of use, even if you think it sucks it probably doesnā€™t? Modern is better than vintage, companies need to start making new stuff instead of the same things Iā€™ve been seeing for two years now and innovating just a little bit more.


Jonnymixinupmedicine

Mine is you donā€™t need that new pedal, youā€™re most likely never going to use midi, and you can probably get the sounds your after with clever stacking or eq, especially if itā€™s a 250$ new drive. Boss, DOD/Digitech, EHX, and MXR/Dunlap is the only brands truly essential IMO. I could probably even just shorten that list to just Boss.


somehobo89

A one spot PSU is good enough for 98% of people on this sub including me. The next time someone has three Amazon pedals and asks what psu they need and everyone says isolated Iā€™m gonna scream.


Tutelage45

You donā€™t need another dirt pedal, learn how to work your knobs


Maleficent_Age6733

1) less pedals is far better in real life application. When boards are filled with more than about 6 pedals, I typically see people struggle to switch them on and off cleanly when playing a song. Some players canā€™t stop messing with knobs enough to play songs either. 2) You donā€™t have to spend a lot to have a great pedal board. After years of having super expensive pedals, Iā€™ve settled on a board with 4-5 pedals which costs (new) about $800 with board and isolated power supply included. Money is best spent on a really nice amp and less so on expensive pedals imo


VTVoodooDude

If your choice of guitar going into your choice of amp sounds shite, pedals are a masking agent. If your choice of guitar going into your choice of amp sounds *great*, pedals are excellent enhancements.


RG1527

Hands up if you use a pedal you don't really like but is kind of OK but cant be bothered to sell it for something better..


jrad2point0

The artists you love mostly use cheap shit because things break on tour and it is easy to replace that gear at any random town than a boutique offering that might be out of stock or need to be ordered and shipped. I own boutique pedals because I like them but not because I think I ā€œneedā€ them. If I went on tour and was dead set on those specific ones, Iā€™d want to get backups.


Kickmaestro

Pedals with "distortion" or nearly even "overdrive" in their name means you are doing something wrong if you also care about amps and is allowed to play loud. Pedals is for more different tastes than what's close to a pushed tube preamp stage of guit'. Obviously fuzzes and boost or then very distinct tastes like rats and klones gets to be entitled. I guess I attack transparent stuff most of all here, if you're not compromising to keep low loudness. I also saw something about prices being irrelevant and clearly that isn't controversial over here. That's so funny with all the hot takes and controversial takes on Reddit, the top upvoted aren't really winning. To me I will make it controversial by saying that I agree but then also say that pedal budgets are sort of not great as well. There are pedals that hits the spot for you preferences that has to cost a lot. You can be someone that doesn't care that much but spending money on pedals that are cheap gear from the start is very legit if you care. I've got 2 out of 6 pedals like that now, and a 150usd/euro budget wouldn't do it for those. And yes, you who own 44 and tap dance on 22 pedals are supposed to exist but there are too many of you, in the purpose of serving music. I love some of you because some of you legit need that thing but what I say is that too many just do it in diservice to the music. It's alright to have only fun though, I mean I'm sure there's not at all many legit music killing pedal tap-dancers. What I more say is that kids should maybe learn to maximize their potential without pedals though.


mentos_breath

I would disagree about behringer being flimsy, but i have other pedals coming apart aswell so likely the problem is me...


PiscesLeo

My acoustic guitar my neighbor gave me 23 years ago sounds better than any other guitar or effect Iā€™ve played. You donā€™t need much


ButtSexington3rd

Making a pedal video and playing something that will never be played with that pedal makes the video instantly worthless. Example: doing a demo of a super velcro-y fuzz and playing ten minutes of blues licks. Like at least give us some chunky power chords and maybe a line over a sustained low string. I'm at the point where if the reviewer is playing blues licks I'll just find a new video, because the best I'm going to get out of it is maybe a minute of something classic rock sounding.


Djeece

No pedal sounds as good as a nice tube amp pre.


ansible47

You're buying pedals to escape from the fact that you are not growing or developing as a musician anymore. Trade that one SS/BS pedal for Ableton and make some music, dingus. Gear will not take you to the next step - your lack of fulfillment isn't because you don't have 3rd Count to 5.


AnakJendral

Higher gain should came from the amp not the pedal (except fuzz)