Most of the time we hear about a Gretzky record being broken it is something so obscure like "This player has a combined 7 goals in 2nd periods on Tuesdays in February, even Gretzky never had that many!!"
But for something like assists during a post-season. That's pretty cool.
McDavid was on fire [tonight](https://x.com/hockeystatcards/status/1802173799799951840?t=f0hBOjcSHZ_fseAC07Ozqg&s=19), too. Easily the best single game performance of the four games so far. (Erod was +2.7 in game 2 vs McDavid's +4.8 tonight)
Now he and Drai each broke a Gretzky record. Drai broke the record for most points in a 5 game series (17) that year he was playing on a broken ankle. Now he won't have anything to hold over his buddy.
I went back and watched some mid 80s goal tending and I'm general play. Everything is slow mo and the goalies are atrocious. What McDavid is doing is insane right now
Literally, exactly this, while the goalie stands up, flails and misses.
Not saying Wayne wasn't great, or Mario or any of the hundreds of other good/great players, but the quality of play as a whole comparatively to today is worse every decade you go back. I went back and watched some 70s play... I genuinely think college teams today would decimate those 70s pro teams teams, no I'm not kidding. For anyone thinking I'm exaggerating, go watch some games from 50 years ago and a recent D1 college game right after. The games evolved immensely.
If you put McDavid in those times he also loses the training from basically 2 years old, all the access to early high level skills coaching from online resources, and basically anything having to do with modern hockey.
So many of those guys were just athletes who happened to pick up hockey. Off-season training was hardly a thing, let alone the immediate feedback loop we have now from replays on iPads.
McDavid is wildly talented but to just directly make a comparison is flawed.
It's like watching a completely different game, that's why stat vs stat isn't a great metric to go off when deciding who's the best. It definitely helps, but you need to eye test it.
That video of young Bob McKenzie, looking like out of character Bubbles. Talking through a phone on camera for some reason while the other guy watches him on some weird square flat-screen straight out of Star Trek.
Plus Gretzky's team won the cup, mostly in games with a multi-goal lead - if they had lost a few more games along the way he would probably still have the record.
Not to diminish it, but he’s also playing in an era that has no first place byes, and full rounds of 7 games.
In a very different era, Lafleur won five Cups, and played more than 15 games in the playoffs one time.
In Gretzky’s years with Edmonton the most games he played in a playoff run was 21. The year he had 31, it was done in 19 games and resulted in a championship. He’s broken the record, sure. Roger Marris broke Ruth’s home run record as well, but in more games. Babe Ruth also benefited from an era that would allow a home run on what would now be ruled a ground rule double.
The comparisons are broken. All are impressive, but they don’t have the same weight.
This is a lot like the Bruins claiming a record for most points in a season. Yes, they definitely did it, but the league also hands out more points now than they did in the past. It’s a little like claiming to be the fastest swimmer on the Titanic, impressive but not overly relevant.
The difference in goaltending and overall player fitness in the modern era is essentially Grand Canyon sized, though. While Gretzky himself would no doubt be a star now too, the difference in overall talent in the league is vast.
Fringe NHL players would likely be at least 3rd liners in the Gretzky era, and some of the goals he scored are entirely due to goalies wearing gear that was too heavy to use the butterfly style.
The year Gretzky broke the goal record, Billy Smith won the Vezina with a 2.97 goals-against average the third-best GAA behind only Denis Herron and Rick Wamsley.
2.97 is the 40th GAA in the league this year (with the caveat that this includes at least 6-10 players who played a very small number of games. So let’s call it dead last in the league, among starters? Give or take?
Yea, the goaltending is a very good point. Watching the goaltending of that era is absolutely painful. Like watching beer league games at times. The NHL of the 70’s has far more in common with the 50’s than it does with the 80’s. From the structure of the league to the level of talent on the ice. I just don’t think the eras can be compared because the games are so vastly different at the talent level.
You’re also kind of making my point while highlighting yours. Neither the game nor the eras are comparable to now. You can say that for all pro sports. They have all evolved at such a rapid rate in the last 20 years, it’s honestly wild, and awesome to see. We are seeing the pinnacle of human ability and talent.
That goes for the records as well. Is it a record? Absolutely. Can’t take that away from him. It’s insane to see it. Like the one dude said, you play the games you play.
We will never know the level of player that Gretzky would have been in this era. In his time he was wildly ahead of his closest peers until Mario came along. When the league started to catch up we got “blessed” with the dead puck era.
I would imagine a player of McDavids talent and training would absolutely run a train on the NHL of 1985. This is what we need time travel for.
Some people just hate watching greatness while it’s happening in front of their eyes. It is entirely relevant, you can only score points in games you play against opponents you can play against.
If this was as simple as measuring dicks we could just ask Wayne and Conner to pull them out on the TNT broadcast between periods.
I did a reply saying it was mentioned after the break, but during and leading i only remember them mentioning perry tieing maurice richard.
But i rewatched it and it was a passing remark, which to me is kinda dumb considering it is a gretzky record that has been there since forever.
That man has made the majority of Franchise record's league records.
583 goals with Oilers is a beatable franchise record that wouldn't be a league record. Drai and McDavid could both go for that one if they're lifers.
They were too busy talking about the "Oilers 5-1 victory tonight" with 3 minutes left in the second.
I swear Cuthbert starting celebratory drinking at rhe first intermission, he was uncharacteristically sloppy tonight.
Cuthbert needed a new heel for his shoe. So, he decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So he tied an onion to his belt which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days nickels had pictures of bumble bees on them. Gimme five bees for a quarter, you'd say. Now was he... Oh yeah! The important thing was that he had an onion tied to my belt at the time. You couldn't get where onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones.
And they wonder why the game isn’t more popular. The dude broke a record that stood tall for decades, and not one peep.
Other leagues and their broadcasts would be highlighting it till the end of time.
Yeah honestly that just made it even weirder that they didn't discuss it. I didn't know he was that close to the record and I said "holy shit, really??"out loud when I saw the graphic, but the commentators said nothing...
Pretty sure they started talking about some obscurely unique stat the moment the graphic went away, like most points by a single player in a playoff game following a loss or some bullshit
Seriously? I thought ESPN was dickriding the Oilers according to some salty panther fans I encountered. You'd think they would have mentioned it, you know, being on top of their cock, and all.
They aren't Gretzky Stats but a couple of crazy DoD records are still kicking that you may have also forgotten. Ben Scrivens Saves in a Regular Season Shutout (59) vs the San Jose Sharks and Andrew Cogliano 3 Consecutive Over Time Winners, if I'm not mistaken they were in 3 Consecutive Games on top of it.
It happens but it’s usually obscure stuff that gets very specific.
Like Gretzky is the record holder for most power play points in road games that are on the back half of a back-to-back, or something like that. And then someone breaks that “record” if you can even call it that.
I have but they've always been something like "First player not named Gretzky or Lemieux to score x amount of points on a rainy Tuesday night in Stoke". Nothing like this. We're not worthy.
The record for assists was 31A in one playoff season, by Gretzky 1988
McDavid now has 32!
https://www.hockey-reference.com/leaders/assists_season_p.html
Current total points in one playoff season:
https://www.hockey-reference.com/leaders/points_season_p.html
> 1. Wayne Gretzky 47 1985
2. Mario Lemieux 44 1991
3. Wayne Gretzky 43 1988
4. Wayne Gretzky 40 1993
5. Wayne Gretzky 38 1983
- T-5th. Connor McDavid 38 2024
6. Paul Coffey 37 1985
7. Evgeni Malkin 36 2009
This is a stat where Gretzky and those 80s Oilers teams were actually *too* good for it to be much higher. Edmonton won 3 of their 4 Cups with Gretzky in less than 20 games, and in their first Cup appearance that ended with getting swept by the Islanders they only played 16 total.
> in their first Cup appearance that ended with getting swept by the Islanders they only played 16 total.
Worth noting that round one was a best of five in those days. They lost a single game in that first series.
Correct, but for example the Islanders played 21 games that year and in two of their four Cup years also hit 20 games (first was 21, last was 20).
It was rarer but it did happen. Definitely not a coincidence that the only year with the Best-of-5 first round where the Oilers or Islanders didn't make the Finals (85-86) saw both Montreal and Calgary hit 20+ games in the postseason.
Lol yeah, if the Oilers and Grez had lost more games (and if the first round wasnt BO5 instead of 7), a lot more of Gretzky's records would never be touched.
It bugs me when people piss on him by calling him some unoriginal name like "mcbaby". If you like hockey, you should like McDavid. Same as Crosby, Mario, Gretz, Howe, and Orr. To discount greatness just because they aren't on "your" team is so childish
'First off kids I just gotta tell you boy look at Connor McDavid out there. Kids when I tell you how to play the game you just watch this guy here. He's a good Canadian kid, you don't see him out there hot dogging like some Russian like Ovechkin. He's doing everything he can to get his team through. You see him showing up to the arena or to the liquor store lookin' sharp I tell ya boy! That's why when you see him out there in a suit he means business and when he shows up to the arena he's meaning business. He's out there setting records with assists and all that showing he cares about his teammates. A guy like McDavid is the sort of player whos gonna be there to help you change your tire after the game, doesn't care if you're first or second line he's gonna help you. And that's why hes got that records there for assists. McDavid knows this and I say it all the time - IF YOU WANT TO WIN THE CUP YOU GOTTA DRESS SHARP. IF YOU DON'T DRESS SHARP YOU'RE NOT GONNA WIN ANYTHING HERE IN THE NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE."
That's actually bonkers to say, but for it to be based in reality is even more fuckin nuts.
Just wow, we are soooo lucky to watch this guy in his prime.
If it happens, he’s gotta win the Smythe, right?
I feel like if it wraps up in 5, it goes to Bob; if it goes to 7, it goes to McDavid either way. If it goes 6, I don’t know who gets it — goalies need to be overwhelmingly good to win, so two losses probably takes out Bob, and nobody on Florida has a singular, standout performance.
McDavid has a 17 point lead on the closest non-teammate and has been every bit as dominant as his stats suggest he is. Barkov's been great in his own right, but this feels like one of those cases where McDavid has done more than enough to earn it even in a losing effort, especially with Draisaitl's uncharacteristic struggles recently. This is one of the absolute best performances we've ever seen, and I'd even say that a playoff run like this is worth *more* legacy-wise than winning a cup imo
12pts in 3 pivotal games to seal a comeback winning cup win to end with 50pts and conn smythe, followed by 93 goals, 164assists next season for 257pts.
If everyone’s point paces remain the same the next game or games is there any way he doesn’t win it? Unless they’re just determined to give it to a panthers player if they win I don’t see how it’s not mcdavid.
Why? He could have only let in 2, can't win if your team doesn't score goals.
Every goalie has a stinker. He's been lights out other than today. Mcdavid was shut down for a good portion of this series and the Canucks series.
>Mcdavid was shut down for a good portion of this series and the Canucks series.
It feels hilarious to say this when in four games he has a 1-point game, a 2 point game, a 0-point game and a 4 point game. How many players in the league is that "shut down"?
The conn smythe is for best player in the whole playoffs. I don’t see how it could be justified to give it to barkov over mcdavid. And I love Barkov but mcdavid has double digit more points
Because points aren't what make Barkov good, it's his defensive play that has led the panthers this far while shutting down stars in every round
Points aren't Barkov's job, defense and controlling a game is
It's a three-year waiting period after their last season of professional hockey. They changed it from three-years after retirement to "three-year waiting period" because Chris Pronger had not played for three seasons despite being under contract until 2016-2017.
What’s more impressive is that Gretzky did 31 assists in 19 games and McDavid did 32 assists in 22 games. Considering the disparity of scoring between the 2 eras, and the absolute stack that the 1987-1988 Oilers roster was, it makes this breaking more significant than people would probably think.
McDavid is a generational talent that keeps on giving.
Its gone to the losing team a couple times. Giguerre in 2003 and hextall in 1987 off the top of my head. I dont think a non-goalie has won it on the losing team though
Leach's performance was a way better pace than McDavid, though. 19 goals/5 assists/24 points in 16 games. And 25% of those games were games they lost in a sweep.
It's important to note that the Flyers and Montreal both had byes into the second round (top team in each conference got a bye). Leach had 15 goals going into the finals (in what was basically *two* rounds of play for the Flyers). The Flyers only scored 9 goals in the SCF, and Leach had 4 of the Flyers 9 goals (Montreal had 13).
Leach was the best player on the Flyers in 3 of the 4 games, and kept the games really close even in a sweep. I know people like records, but context is important. The games (so far) haven't been as close as that series was, and Leach was the big reason why.
Last night aside, Bob has been insane and is the front runner. Barkov’s all-around play has also been incredible. McDavid has been amazing but Florida wouldn’t be where they are if it wasn’t for Bob having a .980 save percentage in the first three games of the Finals
It's still early in the season I know... But maybe the kid just isn't ready for the NHL yet? With the media hounding him, the pressure of being considered the next "great one", fuck I wouldn't be able to handle that shit. Maybe having him in the minors for another year or two to develop a bit wouldn't have been a bad idea. The kid is only 18. At 18 I was complete fucktard who had no idea what I wanted to do. Not much has changed... but I'd like to think I have a bit of a better head on my shoulders now. I actually feel really bad for Mcdavid, and I hope we don't ruin him.
Edit: I'm being lynched for ever daring to doubt the greatness of Connor Mcdavid. How dare I say such blasphmey after only THREE games. You're right, he may only be 18 years old, but he has the emotional maturity of a Buddhist monk, and the body and athleticism as a top olympic athlete. He may have hit puberty only 3 to 4 years ago, but he is a grown man now, capable of all pressure and criticism that comes his way. I am but a lowly neckbeard maple leafs fan who lives in my mothers basement here to shit on him for not getting 50 goals in his first 3 games. I am a rodent, and he is a golden god. I'm going to go light myself on fire now. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways with you jamming the downvote arrow on your computer screen with all your might and telling me how much of an idiot I am.
Barkov really shutting him down at 1.6ppg even if they score 0 the next game and lose.
Florida is the better team but to pretend barkov is better than mcd is literally insanity, markov can shut down Leon but has done a shit job shutting down mcd even before this game...
He's not paired against McDavid in Edmonton as Edmonton gets last change. McDavid has 1 point in two games when paired against Barkov, which for McDavid is definitly being shut down.
What a phenomenal talent. Just think of the names he would have passed on his ascent. Nobody here will see many talents of McDavid's calibre in a lifetime of watching hockey.
Actually insane. Anytime a Gretzky record is broken you know you’re witnessing something legendary.
Most of the time we hear about a Gretzky record being broken it is something so obscure like "This player has a combined 7 goals in 2nd periods on Tuesdays in February, even Gretzky never had that many!!" But for something like assists during a post-season. That's pretty cool.
McDavid was on fire [tonight](https://x.com/hockeystatcards/status/1802173799799951840?t=f0hBOjcSHZ_fseAC07Ozqg&s=19), too. Easily the best single game performance of the four games so far. (Erod was +2.7 in game 2 vs McDavid's +4.8 tonight)
Now he and Drai each broke a Gretzky record. Drai broke the record for most points in a 5 game series (17) that year he was playing on a broken ankle. Now he won't have anything to hold over his buddy.
Devil’s advocate, did he do it in as many games?
Gretzky had 31 assists in 19 games, McDavid has 32 in 22 games. Edit: 19 games, as game 4 of the final was cancelled, but stats were kept.
Much closer than I expected tbh.
Gretz was faster but damn is that still an insane pace.
gretz also had 12 goals in those 19 games vs mcdavid with 6 in 22 and gretz also did 17 goals 30 assists in 18 games
With the advancements in goaltending, I think it makes McDavid's even more impressive.
I went back and watched some mid 80s goal tending and I'm general play. Everything is slow mo and the goalies are atrocious. What McDavid is doing is insane right now
Every goal from the 80s I see is basically a guy skating down the wing and taking a clapper from about 30 feet out
Literally, exactly this, while the goalie stands up, flails and misses. Not saying Wayne wasn't great, or Mario or any of the hundreds of other good/great players, but the quality of play as a whole comparatively to today is worse every decade you go back. I went back and watched some 70s play... I genuinely think college teams today would decimate those 70s pro teams teams, no I'm not kidding. For anyone thinking I'm exaggerating, go watch some games from 50 years ago and a recent D1 college game right after. The games evolved immensely.
Modern D1 teams have butterfly goalies so yeah, that's almost guaranteeing a win right there.
If you put McDavid in those times he also loses the training from basically 2 years old, all the access to early high level skills coaching from online resources, and basically anything having to do with modern hockey. So many of those guys were just athletes who happened to pick up hockey. Off-season training was hardly a thing, let alone the immediate feedback loop we have now from replays on iPads. McDavid is wildly talented but to just directly make a comparison is flawed.
It's not flawed at all, it's realizing the game has evolved.
Right, it's also not flawed to realize defense is miles better today, everyone backchecks and plays hard every shift in the playoffs too.
It's like watching a completely different game, that's why stat vs stat isn't a great metric to go off when deciding who's the best. It definitely helps, but you need to eye test it.
And in a different era, too. Gretzky today would still be an unbelievable player, but he doesn't hit 2,857 points in a 21st century career.
https://www.cbc.ca/archives/1988-stanley-cup-finals-power-outage-1.5579029 What a weird story.
It’s crazy that it happened again 2 years later lol
Yeah, the Gahden was about 20 years past its "sell-by" date in the late 80s.
That video of young Bob McKenzie, looking like out of character Bubbles. Talking through a phone on camera for some reason while the other guy watches him on some weird square flat-screen straight out of Star Trek.
Game 4 of the final was cancelled? What’s this now?
Also, did Gretz have one hand tied behind his back?
Also, how many of the guys playing against Gretzky had to work their night shift job at the grocery store after?
Also, how many of the guys playing against Gretzky had enjoyed a 6-pack before the game?
Also, how many of the guys playing against Gretzky had calloused hands from physically dialing their rotary phones?
Also, how many of the guys playing against Gretzky would smoke a pack of marlboros in the dressing room between periods?
Also, how many of the guys playing against Gretzky were actually already dead, lifeless sacks of ham being Weekend at Berniesed?
I think you just described most of Calgary's roster.
Plus Gretzky's team won the cup, mostly in games with a multi-goal lead - if they had lost a few more games along the way he would probably still have the record.
I watched it happen, I read the post and my brain still somehow somewhat refuses to believe it happened because you don't just break a Gretzky record.
Not to diminish it, but he’s also playing in an era that has no first place byes, and full rounds of 7 games. In a very different era, Lafleur won five Cups, and played more than 15 games in the playoffs one time. In Gretzky’s years with Edmonton the most games he played in a playoff run was 21. The year he had 31, it was done in 19 games and resulted in a championship. He’s broken the record, sure. Roger Marris broke Ruth’s home run record as well, but in more games. Babe Ruth also benefited from an era that would allow a home run on what would now be ruled a ground rule double. The comparisons are broken. All are impressive, but they don’t have the same weight. This is a lot like the Bruins claiming a record for most points in a season. Yes, they definitely did it, but the league also hands out more points now than they did in the past. It’s a little like claiming to be the fastest swimmer on the Titanic, impressive but not overly relevant.
The difference in goaltending and overall player fitness in the modern era is essentially Grand Canyon sized, though. While Gretzky himself would no doubt be a star now too, the difference in overall talent in the league is vast. Fringe NHL players would likely be at least 3rd liners in the Gretzky era, and some of the goals he scored are entirely due to goalies wearing gear that was too heavy to use the butterfly style. The year Gretzky broke the goal record, Billy Smith won the Vezina with a 2.97 goals-against average the third-best GAA behind only Denis Herron and Rick Wamsley. 2.97 is the 40th GAA in the league this year (with the caveat that this includes at least 6-10 players who played a very small number of games. So let’s call it dead last in the league, among starters? Give or take?
Yea, the goaltending is a very good point. Watching the goaltending of that era is absolutely painful. Like watching beer league games at times. The NHL of the 70’s has far more in common with the 50’s than it does with the 80’s. From the structure of the league to the level of talent on the ice. I just don’t think the eras can be compared because the games are so vastly different at the talent level. You’re also kind of making my point while highlighting yours. Neither the game nor the eras are comparable to now. You can say that for all pro sports. They have all evolved at such a rapid rate in the last 20 years, it’s honestly wild, and awesome to see. We are seeing the pinnacle of human ability and talent. That goes for the records as well. Is it a record? Absolutely. Can’t take that away from him. It’s insane to see it. Like the one dude said, you play the games you play. We will never know the level of player that Gretzky would have been in this era. In his time he was wildly ahead of his closest peers until Mario came along. When the league started to catch up we got “blessed” with the dead puck era. I would imagine a player of McDavids talent and training would absolutely run a train on the NHL of 1985. This is what we need time travel for.
Some people just hate watching greatness while it’s happening in front of their eyes. It is entirely relevant, you can only score points in games you play against opponents you can play against. If this was as simple as measuring dicks we could just ask Wayne and Conner to pull them out on the TNT broadcast between periods.
He also now has more points in a single playoff run than any player not named Lemieux or Gretzky.
Future kids are gonna have “anyone not named Mcdavid Gretzky or Mario”
And of course the broadcast team didn’t even mention it. Jesus, ESPN
Not even just espn, sportsnet made no mention of it either when it happened
Felt super weird since they had the graphic when he tied it
They redeemed a bit for talking about it after the break
Sportsnet broadcasters did mention it.
I did a reply saying it was mentioned after the break, but during and leading i only remember them mentioning perry tieing maurice richard. But i rewatched it and it was a passing remark, which to me is kinda dumb considering it is a gretzky record that has been there since forever.
Ya they definitely should’ve made a bigger deal out of it.
Sportsnet did briefly mention it. Like in passing.
Cuthbert kept saying Oilers playoff record, but finally thought wait a second.. Gretzky Gretzky Gretzky, it's a playoff record
That man has made the majority of Franchise record's league records. 583 goals with Oilers is a beatable franchise record that wouldn't be a league record. Drai and McDavid could both go for that one if they're lifers.
You’re right.
Shouldn't really of been a briefly, it is a gretzky record
Those sleepy old pricks weren't paying attention.
They were too busy talking about the "Oilers 5-1 victory tonight" with 3 minutes left in the second. I swear Cuthbert starting celebratory drinking at rhe first intermission, he was uncharacteristically sloppy tonight.
Cuthbert needed a new heel for his shoe. So, he decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So he tied an onion to his belt which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days nickels had pictures of bumble bees on them. Gimme five bees for a quarter, you'd say. Now was he... Oh yeah! The important thing was that he had an onion tied to my belt at the time. You couldn't get where onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones.
Huge fan but it's better to not call it than have it called as not an assist and be wrong. But it's too late NOW he's got it LET'S GOO
Honestly fair, i get this. But this case was clear cut he was getting the assist.
What an embarrassment for the league the broadcasts are.
And they wonder why the game isn’t more popular. The dude broke a record that stood tall for decades, and not one peep. Other leagues and their broadcasts would be highlighting it till the end of time.
Not defending them but they had a graphic up at the top with it saying NHL record along with his assist count and picture.
Yeah honestly that just made it even weirder that they didn't discuss it. I didn't know he was that close to the record and I said "holy shit, really??"out loud when I saw the graphic, but the commentators said nothing... Pretty sure they started talking about some obscurely unique stat the moment the graphic went away, like most points by a single player in a playoff game following a loss or some bullshit
Seriously? I thought ESPN was dickriding the Oilers according to some salty panther fans I encountered. You'd think they would have mentioned it, you know, being on top of their cock, and all.
What the actual fuck? Don’t think I’ve ever seen a Gretzky record get broken before.
I didn't know that was allowed?
https://preview.redd.it/5xtwk0g5vu6d1.jpeg?width=520&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af65d72414b3ec3db81faec2735d25b6b5e6f643
McD used to be a piece of shit, but not anymore
You can't. skip. McDavid, guys. you just can't. Whose record is this? I almost tripped on it.
He and the boys still go for sloppy steaks.
It’s a dangerous lead The lead is at 3
Hey, Ryan Smyth broke Gretzsky's franchise record for fastest hattrick, and I will not let an Oilers fan forget it.
Edmonton is Canada’s Stoke
Shit. I can’t believe I forgot.
They aren't Gretzky Stats but a couple of crazy DoD records are still kicking that you may have also forgotten. Ben Scrivens Saves in a Regular Season Shutout (59) vs the San Jose Sharks and Andrew Cogliano 3 Consecutive Over Time Winners, if I'm not mistaken they were in 3 Consecutive Games on top of it.
Sam Gagner had points on eleven consecutive goals, breaking Gretzky's team record of 10.
Ha! Didn't know about that one.
It happens but it’s usually obscure stuff that gets very specific. Like Gretzky is the record holder for most power play points in road games that are on the back half of a back-to-back, or something like that. And then someone breaks that “record” if you can even call it that.
I have but they've always been something like "First player not named Gretzky or Lemieux to score x amount of points on a rainy Tuesday night in Stoke". Nothing like this. We're not worthy.
Most recent big record being set that I can recall would be Marleau as most games played lol
Unbelievable. He had to really twist to make that pass, but it was still perfect. Tied with Wayne for 5th most points in one postseason.
So far.
Pray emoji
Force the panthers to 7 games you cowards
Do it for all of us victims of playoff panthers, they are monsters!
The record for assists was 31A in one playoff season, by Gretzky 1988 McDavid now has 32! https://www.hockey-reference.com/leaders/assists_season_p.html Current total points in one playoff season: https://www.hockey-reference.com/leaders/points_season_p.html > 1. Wayne Gretzky 47 1985 2. Mario Lemieux 44 1991 3. Wayne Gretzky 43 1988 4. Wayne Gretzky 40 1993 5. Wayne Gretzky 38 1983 - T-5th. Connor McDavid 38 2024 6. Paul Coffey 37 1985 7. Evgeni Malkin 36 2009
> McDavid now has 32! Actually just 32.
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But how many of those are secondary? Barely counts.
different pace, needs an asterisk imo
And of course it’s 1, 2, 4 Wayne with lemiux and 3
As is pretty much every reacord lol
Wayne… Simmonds Choo choooo
This is a stat where Gretzky and those 80s Oilers teams were actually *too* good for it to be much higher. Edmonton won 3 of their 4 Cups with Gretzky in less than 20 games, and in their first Cup appearance that ended with getting swept by the Islanders they only played 16 total.
> in their first Cup appearance that ended with getting swept by the Islanders they only played 16 total. Worth noting that round one was a best of five in those days. They lost a single game in that first series.
Think 1st round of playoffs was best of 5 until 1986-1987 season. Still impressive though
Correct, but for example the Islanders played 21 games that year and in two of their four Cup years also hit 20 games (first was 21, last was 20). It was rarer but it did happen. Definitely not a coincidence that the only year with the Best-of-5 first round where the Oilers or Islanders didn't make the Finals (85-86) saw both Montreal and Calgary hit 20+ games in the postseason.
Lol yeah, if the Oilers and Grez had lost more games (and if the first round wasnt BO5 instead of 7), a lot more of Gretzky's records would never be touched.
We’re legitimately watching one of the best ever
It bugs me when people piss on him by calling him some unoriginal name like "mcbaby". If you like hockey, you should like McDavid. Same as Crosby, Mario, Gretz, Howe, and Orr. To discount greatness just because they aren't on "your" team is so childish
Adding Ovechkin due to all the hate he gets for his political affiliation. Absolutely deserves to be mentioned as an all time great
https://preview.redd.it/03a8hzu5lu6d1.jpeg?width=479&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f394e82e1864c24141767190b7b4d6b08dba8cee
M’Jesus
'First off kids I just gotta tell you boy look at Connor McDavid out there. Kids when I tell you how to play the game you just watch this guy here. He's a good Canadian kid, you don't see him out there hot dogging like some Russian like Ovechkin. He's doing everything he can to get his team through. You see him showing up to the arena or to the liquor store lookin' sharp I tell ya boy! That's why when you see him out there in a suit he means business and when he shows up to the arena he's meaning business. He's out there setting records with assists and all that showing he cares about his teammates. A guy like McDavid is the sort of player whos gonna be there to help you change your tire after the game, doesn't care if you're first or second line he's gonna help you. And that's why hes got that records there for assists. McDavid knows this and I say it all the time - IF YOU WANT TO WIN THE CUP YOU GOTTA DRESS SHARP. IF YOU DON'T DRESS SHARP YOU'RE NOT GONNA WIN ANYTHING HERE IN THE NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE."
Easy there Grapes.
I miss him
Looking at the post history this account is hilarious. Some really great Don Cherry rants this guy/gal knows his stuff.
Connor McM’lady
Maybe the kid is ready?
From what i’ve learned from these playoff threads hes apparently too dirty(???).
I mean honestly, he tried to break Zadorov's stick with his throat. I know this is the playoffs but those sticks actually cost a lot.
I've only seen that from people with either Florida or Vancouver flairs tbh lol xD
Nah I think he needs a bit more time in the minors just to be sure
Single playoff run points record next?
Needs 9 more points to tie Wayne with 47…seems out of reach, but who knows with this guy!
Hey if the series goes the distance never say never
yeah honestly, if the series goes to 7 and the Oilers win, I think a McDavid getting 9pts in those last 3 is more likely than not.
That's actually bonkers to say, but for it to be based in reality is even more fuckin nuts. Just wow, we are soooo lucky to watch this guy in his prime.
Yeah, if McD is unchained now...he's fucking beastly. I know, no shit. But just like vs us, once he got his mojo working....
Could be possible if McDavid goes god mode to carry Edmonton to a reverse sweep.
It will need to happen if they have any hope imo
If it happens, he’s gotta win the Smythe, right? I feel like if it wraps up in 5, it goes to Bob; if it goes to 7, it goes to McDavid either way. If it goes 6, I don’t know who gets it — goalies need to be overwhelmingly good to win, so two losses probably takes out Bob, and nobody on Florida has a singular, standout performance.
McDavid has a 17 point lead on the closest non-teammate and has been every bit as dominant as his stats suggest he is. Barkov's been great in his own right, but this feels like one of those cases where McDavid has done more than enough to earn it even in a losing effort, especially with Draisaitl's uncharacteristic struggles recently. This is one of the absolute best performances we've ever seen, and I'd even say that a playoff run like this is worth *more* legacy-wise than winning a cup imo
Anything is possible.
If this somehow goes to 7, it's not out of reach.
He's got 3 more games to work with!*
Maybe next year lol
Crazy stuff, McDavid is insanely skilled. Won’t be the last Gretzky record he breaks either.
12pts in 3 pivotal games to seal a comeback winning cup win to end with 50pts and conn smythe, followed by 93 goals, 164assists next season for 257pts.
… keep going
Watching Greatness, unbelievable 🐐🐐🐐
Give him the Conn Smyth, even if he loses
Breaking a Gretzky record should come with an award, so it’s only fair
This is what "The Gretzky trophy" should be awarded for. Rarest of all trophies...
Lol, he would smash that thing into a million pieces if that happened
Giguere on roids
It would be deserved honestly.
If everyone’s point paces remain the same the next game or games is there any way he doesn’t win it? Unless they’re just determined to give it to a panthers player if they win I don’t see how it’s not mcdavid.
Helps that you can’t exactly point at one panthers player carrying aside from Bobrovsky, but today probably shot any chance he had of winning it
Why? He could have only let in 2, can't win if your team doesn't score goals. Every goalie has a stinker. He's been lights out other than today. Mcdavid was shut down for a good portion of this series and the Canucks series.
>Mcdavid was shut down for a good portion of this series and the Canucks series. It feels hilarious to say this when in four games he has a 1-point game, a 2 point game, a 0-point game and a 4 point game. How many players in the league is that "shut down"?
If they can push the series to 7 games, he gets it. If it ends in 5, it's probably going to a Panther, likely Bobrovsky.
I don't see it not going to Barkov if Florida wins in 5.
The conn smythe is for best player in the whole playoffs. I don’t see how it could be justified to give it to barkov over mcdavid. And I love Barkov but mcdavid has double digit more points
Because points aren't what make Barkov good, it's his defensive play that has led the panthers this far while shutting down stars in every round Points aren't Barkov's job, defense and controlling a game is
Breaking a Gretzky stat is as good as it gets
It’s truly so special I can witness this. He is so good
I know its 1-3, but Its also Mcdavid. Its not over till its over.
I didn't hear no bell
Oil Man (the II) Good
And nobody mentioned it on the ESPN lmao fucking idiots
The NHL should also waive the 5 year rule for his eventual retirement/Hall of Fame induction.
I bet they do. They probably will do that whit Crosby and Ovechkin aswell.
They should put both of them in at the same time if their retirements are staggered
It's a three-year waiting period after their last season of professional hockey. They changed it from three-years after retirement to "three-year waiting period" because Chris Pronger had not played for three seasons despite being under contract until 2016-2017.
https://i.redd.it/85zdnhm7nu6d1.gif In more games /s
He’s played so well this playoffs, hopefully he can keep it up for another 3.
That’s a lot of apples! Better start making some pies or cobbler
What’s more impressive is that Gretzky did 31 assists in 19 games and McDavid did 32 assists in 22 games. Considering the disparity of scoring between the 2 eras, and the absolute stack that the 1987-1988 Oilers roster was, it makes this breaking more significant than people would probably think. McDavid is a generational talent that keeps on giving.
Conn Smythe even if they lose the series? To me, it really shouldn't be a given that it goes to someone on the winning team.
Its gone to the losing team a couple times. Giguerre in 2003 and hextall in 1987 off the top of my head. I dont think a non-goalie has won it on the losing team though
Reggie Leach in 1976 when he set the record for most goals scored in a single postseason after his team got swept in the finals
Set a playoff record, you say?
Leach's performance was a way better pace than McDavid, though. 19 goals/5 assists/24 points in 16 games. And 25% of those games were games they lost in a sweep. It's important to note that the Flyers and Montreal both had byes into the second round (top team in each conference got a bye). Leach had 15 goals going into the finals (in what was basically *two* rounds of play for the Flyers). The Flyers only scored 9 goals in the SCF, and Leach had 4 of the Flyers 9 goals (Montreal had 13). Leach was the best player on the Flyers in 3 of the 4 games, and kept the games really close even in a sweep. I know people like records, but context is important. The games (so far) haven't been as close as that series was, and Leach was the big reason why.
Last night aside, Bob has been insane and is the front runner. Barkov’s all-around play has also been incredible. McDavid has been amazing but Florida wouldn’t be where they are if it wasn’t for Bob having a .980 save percentage in the first three games of the Finals
I take it this McDavid guy is pretty good
MVP
Good player. Really coming into his own.
We are witnessing history in real time!
God, getting to watch this guy play every night has been such a gift.
It's still early in the season I know... But maybe the kid just isn't ready for the NHL yet? With the media hounding him, the pressure of being considered the next "great one", fuck I wouldn't be able to handle that shit. Maybe having him in the minors for another year or two to develop a bit wouldn't have been a bad idea. The kid is only 18. At 18 I was complete fucktard who had no idea what I wanted to do. Not much has changed... but I'd like to think I have a bit of a better head on my shoulders now. I actually feel really bad for Mcdavid, and I hope we don't ruin him. Edit: I'm being lynched for ever daring to doubt the greatness of Connor Mcdavid. How dare I say such blasphmey after only THREE games. You're right, he may only be 18 years old, but he has the emotional maturity of a Buddhist monk, and the body and athleticism as a top olympic athlete. He may have hit puberty only 3 to 4 years ago, but he is a grown man now, capable of all pressure and criticism that comes his way. I am but a lowly neckbeard maple leafs fan who lives in my mothers basement here to shit on him for not getting 50 goals in his first 3 games. I am a rodent, and he is a golden god. I'm going to go light myself on fire now. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways with you jamming the downvote arrow on your computer screen with all your might and telling me how much of an idiot I am.
That pasta is the reason I've smothered myself in Nonna's Bolognese sauce
got any leftovers? I could use a good smothering
Barkov really shutting him down at 1.6ppg even if they score 0 the next game and lose. Florida is the better team but to pretend barkov is better than mcd is literally insanity, markov can shut down Leon but has done a shit job shutting down mcd even before this game...
I mean, they lost 8-1 and Barkov was still only at -2 (Ekblad had lower TOI than him and was at -4)
OH MY GOD
Wait, that's illegal
Well damn
Never thought one of Gretzky's assist related record would be broken. McDavid is incredible.
Crazy part is if they win a couple more games he’ll likely extend it significantly
And when the Panthers raise the cup…it will be like Thanos said. I hope they will remember him.
Florida fans real quiet tonight.
Florida fans aren't the ones chirpin, its all Vancouver and LA fans
Imagine McDavid getting a Giguere-esque Conn Smyth
It was a beautiful goal too
Barkov shutting down mcdavid at 1.8ppg rn btw lmao
He's not paired against McDavid in Edmonton as Edmonton gets last change. McDavid has 1 point in two games when paired against Barkov, which for McDavid is definitly being shut down.
Pic looks like he's trying to dropkick Gretzky
We should be celebrating the Hyman and Draisaitl achievement of carrying him.
What a phenomenal talent. Just think of the names he would have passed on his ascent. Nobody here will see many talents of McDavid's calibre in a lifetime of watching hockey.
One of the GOATs
Nice photo 🥹
How can anyone think this guy doesn't make his teammates better? The guy is an apple machine.
Greg Cote is gonna die on the hill that he's overrated.