Unless the player is over the age of 28. then he may as well do us all a favour and keel over. As living beyond that point is only prolonging suffering.
[[Dreger]Source says good player from one team is being looked at by other teams. Definitely a possibility of a trade, or maybe not, I'm not really sure.](https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/s/putuEMtIYy)
No, not all of them! He could retire! They could play him in the AHL! He could sign up for my beer league and play there! Am I a journalist yet, where's my accreditation?
"sources say Atkinson isn’t keen on a move to the Sharks"
I don't know what this guy expects. Contenders probably aren't knocking on the door of a 35 year old with 13 goals.
Sorry Cam, I think you've been a good hockey player in the past, and I really like you as a dude. It's just time to hang 'em up. Go enjoy the time with your family. You've earned it, bud.
Ya think so? I mean listen Cam was my favorite Jacket all time, but I loved having Jake here again. He racked the assists up like mad and he was such a great personality, seemed like a real benefit to the locker room.
Was it? They increased their point totals by 19 and 16 points with their new teams the year after despite both of the teams becoming worse. Yeah they both were terrible this year and look done, but they're also both 35 before the start of the season. Seems like they got naturally worse with age, not because of the trade. I don't see how either team really lost out here.
I think he stands to lose 1.7m in a buyout which he could probably make up on a contract for a more competitive team than SJ.
If that isn't a route he wants to go or if there isn't a path to a contender, SJ isn't so bad. There's a reason a lot of vets settled down in SJ. Nice weather, weekends in Carmel or Napa, low key media. Also, there are worse places to retire than Macklin Celebrini's wing.
I mean, Flyers went out and weaponized cap space over the last year (Petersen and Johansen in particular) while still having Ryan Ellis's contract on the books (And some dead cap from Kevin Hayes). It's not really surprising that they are that high.
It's one year, the Flyers have 30 million available for the year after and 50 million for the year after that.
This rebuild is about seeing who stays for that window when Michkov arrives.
Our team is also basically set unless we continue to sell. With LTIR of Ellis we have 7 million which is more than enough to sign Zemula and Brink, plus whoever we want as the 7D + whatever prospect makes the team out of camp.
I don't expect us not to move contracts and players, but even if we didn't the team isn't in trouble cap wise at all.
And that's before considering Johansson may be LTIR eligible as well.
Cam lives in Columbus during the off-season, he’s from the east coast, and has three kids under the age of 5. I don’t blame him for not wanting to go the west coast this late in his career.
He would be a valuable veteran presence but it looks like he's struggled to stay healthy as a Flyer and his numbers have taken a nosedive. I'm guessing he's got a family entrenched on the East Coast and a big part of his reluctance to move out here is not just time away from them but the time zone difference as well; can't fault him for that.
Yes, the Sharks aren't projected to win many games next season but that low-pressure situation is one that any veteran can utilize to improve their trade stock and find themselves on a contender by the trade deadline. Even if Philly retains nothing the Sharks could later work out a three- or four-team trade to reduce his salary enough to fit a cap-crunched roster.
Ultimately, Philly has to buy out him or Petersen, so I'm guessing it'll be the latter and they'll roll with Atkinson again, hoping he'll put in a good season and be movable at the trade deadline next year.
For folks who don't follow the Flyers, here's some context on just how cooked 35 year-old Cam Atkinson now is. He played 70 games on the season (healthy scratched the rest).
The last 23 games of his season, here's his stat line:
* 13:17 avg TOI
* 29 shots
* -9
* 0 assists
* 0 goals
He had a 26 game stretch from mid-Nov to Jan where he was still consistently getting scoring line time and he put up the following:
* 16:38 avg TOI
* 74 shots
* -8
* 6 assists
* 0 goals
So, for 70% of his season, his total production was 6 assists.
The Flyers would be doing him a massive favor to buy him out instead of waiving him and forcing him to go to the AHL to collect his $5.9 million. As with Cal Petersen, Nick Deslauriers, and Ryan Johansen, the only purpose Cam Atkinson would serve in a Flyers sweater next season would be to help with next year's tank.
Wonder what Philly would add as a sweetener to move Atkinson or if they'd take back a shitty contract as well. Like I'd hope Ottawa takes Atkinson if Philly takes back Forsberg and sends us a draft pick or two.
They need to sign extensions and build around incoming michkov. Only bringing in bad contracts if it gets younger players and picks. The “vets” have been layovers from fletcher or 1yr deals to flesh out spots.
If Philly wants a tank commander, Ottawa has a slightly used Korpisalo that can help em get some more lotto picks so by the time Mitchkov is back, he'll be leading a solid cast of young stars.
he was my favorite when he was here but he would not be able to help the team even if he came cheap. He's not a 40-goal scorer anymore and he's way too small to be a grinder.
I don’t think his reasoning is because of the retention slots that SJ has lol pretty sure it’s because we blow.
Also if you look at past years it costs a 5th or 6th round pick for a third part to retain. Shouldn’t be an issue
Our recent salary cap disaster is starting to rank in the top 10 of most depressing things that have happened to this franchise. It's just a seemingly endless black hole of financial destruction. Please let one of our top prospects become a star. For the love of Bernie Parent I'm begging you hockey gods.
30 million in cap space for 25/26, and 50 plus In 26/27 this was absolutely part of the plan, to acquire as many, many bad contracts now while we're in a total rebuild, and turn them into assets where possible.
The light literally hits at the end of this season.
Yeah it's gonna sound bad, but I've started thinking about this team primarily as Assets. The Flyers are fielding a team of like 7ish players and like 15 assets next season.
This dude has spent 12 years of his life living in Columbus and Philly and doesn't want to just go kick back in San Jose at this point and possibly get traded at the deadline?
Insanity.
Sources say he could move. Could not move. They may even keep him. Who's to say?
Schrodinger's trade: At any given moment, a player may or may not be available for a trade. The player is, however, NOT dead.
Unless the player is over the age of 28. then he may as well do us all a favour and keel over. As living beyond that point is only prolonging suffering.
but cam atkinson skates like it
Not on the outside anyway
[[Dreger]Source says good player from one team is being looked at by other teams. Definitely a possibility of a trade, or maybe not, I'm not really sure.](https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/s/putuEMtIYy)
Dregs, is that you?!?
Sources are to say
If it is to be said, so it be. So it is.
They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
This is the hard hitting inside info I subscribe for
So, all options are on the table. Thanks for the great report.
No, not all of them! He could retire! They could play him in the AHL! He could sign up for my beer league and play there! Am I a journalist yet, where's my accreditation?
Dreger has the easiest job on the planet
"sources say Atkinson isn’t keen on a move to the Sharks" I don't know what this guy expects. Contenders probably aren't knocking on the door of a 35 year old with 13 goals.
He wants to be bought out so he can hit UFA and cup chase
with who? who will sign him? the only cups he's gonna be chasing is his baby's sippy cups.
I’m sure a contender would sign him for the minimum. He can be a good 4th line player and play PK
Sorry Cam, I think you've been a good hockey player in the past, and I really like you as a dude. It's just time to hang 'em up. Go enjoy the time with your family. You've earned it, bud.
Babe, Darren ~~Mouthpiece~~ Dreger new tweet just dropped
All this is missing is a “situation remains fluid” comment for it to really be complete.
We’ll see where this goes
Voracek for Atkinson was such a lose-lose trade
Eh, I think the cup was half full. That's a bit looking at it like it was half empty. Either way, there wasn't a lot of water in that trade.
The cup contained piss no matter what way you look at it.
Ya think so? I mean listen Cam was my favorite Jacket all time, but I loved having Jake here again. He racked the assists up like mad and he was such a great personality, seemed like a real benefit to the locker room.
It was a big win-win trade at the time too
Was it? They increased their point totals by 19 and 16 points with their new teams the year after despite both of the teams becoming worse. Yeah they both were terrible this year and look done, but they're also both 35 before the start of the season. Seems like they got naturally worse with age, not because of the trade. I don't see how either team really lost out here.
I think he stands to lose 1.7m in a buyout which he could probably make up on a contract for a more competitive team than SJ. If that isn't a route he wants to go or if there isn't a path to a contender, SJ isn't so bad. There's a reason a lot of vets settled down in SJ. Nice weather, weekends in Carmel or Napa, low key media. Also, there are worse places to retire than Macklin Celebrini's wing.
Cams an east coast guy. I think thats the thing here. He really settled down in columbus
Great, next Florida old guy…
It’s actually crazy how Philly has the highest projected cap total on Capfriendly. They have a lot of work to do with moving contracts
I mean, Flyers went out and weaponized cap space over the last year (Petersen and Johansen in particular) while still having Ryan Ellis's contract on the books (And some dead cap from Kevin Hayes). It's not really surprising that they are that high.
Also known as “life after Chuck Fletcher”
It's one year, the Flyers have 30 million available for the year after and 50 million for the year after that. This rebuild is about seeing who stays for that window when Michkov arrives.
Our team is also basically set unless we continue to sell. With LTIR of Ellis we have 7 million which is more than enough to sign Zemula and Brink, plus whoever we want as the 7D + whatever prospect makes the team out of camp. I don't expect us not to move contracts and players, but even if we didn't the team isn't in trouble cap wise at all. And that's before considering Johansson may be LTIR eligible as well.
Cam lives in Columbus during the off-season, he’s from the east coast, and has three kids under the age of 5. I don’t blame him for not wanting to go the west coast this late in his career.
Should he stay or should he go now? If he goes, there will be trouble and if he stays, it will be double. So come on, Dregs, and let me know.
He would be a valuable veteran presence but it looks like he's struggled to stay healthy as a Flyer and his numbers have taken a nosedive. I'm guessing he's got a family entrenched on the East Coast and a big part of his reluctance to move out here is not just time away from them but the time zone difference as well; can't fault him for that. Yes, the Sharks aren't projected to win many games next season but that low-pressure situation is one that any veteran can utilize to improve their trade stock and find themselves on a contender by the trade deadline. Even if Philly retains nothing the Sharks could later work out a three- or four-team trade to reduce his salary enough to fit a cap-crunched roster. Ultimately, Philly has to buy out him or Petersen, so I'm guessing it'll be the latter and they'll roll with Atkinson again, hoping he'll put in a good season and be movable at the trade deadline next year.
For folks who don't follow the Flyers, here's some context on just how cooked 35 year-old Cam Atkinson now is. He played 70 games on the season (healthy scratched the rest). The last 23 games of his season, here's his stat line: * 13:17 avg TOI * 29 shots * -9 * 0 assists * 0 goals He had a 26 game stretch from mid-Nov to Jan where he was still consistently getting scoring line time and he put up the following: * 16:38 avg TOI * 74 shots * -8 * 6 assists * 0 goals So, for 70% of his season, his total production was 6 assists. The Flyers would be doing him a massive favor to buy him out instead of waiving him and forcing him to go to the AHL to collect his $5.9 million. As with Cal Petersen, Nick Deslauriers, and Ryan Johansen, the only purpose Cam Atkinson would serve in a Flyers sweater next season would be to help with next year's tank.
but we can't forget his 2 goal game against the jets
It’s Atkinsons agent Darren Ferris by chance?
Send him cross state. We don’t wanna give up much tho
Yeah that's what the team needs for sure. More guys over 30.
Eventually one should work out
I'd rather him retire than see him in a Penguins sweater
That's fine, enjoy your 6 million dollar player lol. Future considerations will do
Hey now you guys gotta eat some cap
Wonder what Philly would add as a sweetener to move Atkinson or if they'd take back a shitty contract as well. Like I'd hope Ottawa takes Atkinson if Philly takes back Forsberg and sends us a draft pick or two.
They need to sign extensions and build around incoming michkov. Only bringing in bad contracts if it gets younger players and picks. The “vets” have been layovers from fletcher or 1yr deals to flesh out spots.
If Philly wants a tank commander, Ottawa has a slightly used Korpisalo that can help em get some more lotto picks so by the time Mitchkov is back, he'll be leading a solid cast of young stars.
Michkov is almost certainly coming over well before he was initially supposed to. And there’s no room for goalies at all. Way overstocked.
Hard hitting stuff here.
Modified 10 team NTC.
I’m not sure why the Sharks would want him. He’s an upgrade, but so is 98% of the league.
Big cap hit (which could be a positive, or at worst neutral for the Sharks), a veteran leader and also just seems like a good dude
but why not Atkinson? Why not???
CBJ fans would love to have him back home.
No thanks. He can sign a one day contract when he decides to retire
Absolutely not.
Would love to see him retire come back as an ambassador or scouting role. Just not as a player. Maybe even some sort of offensive specialist coach.
No I wouldn’t
he was my favorite when he was here but he would not be able to help the team even if he came cheap. He's not a 40-goal scorer anymore and he's way too small to be a grinder.
No we would not.
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I don’t think his reasoning is because of the retention slots that SJ has lol pretty sure it’s because we blow. Also if you look at past years it costs a 5th or 6th round pick for a third part to retain. Shouldn’t be an issue
Our recent salary cap disaster is starting to rank in the top 10 of most depressing things that have happened to this franchise. It's just a seemingly endless black hole of financial destruction. Please let one of our top prospects become a star. For the love of Bernie Parent I'm begging you hockey gods.
30 million in cap space for 25/26, and 50 plus In 26/27 this was absolutely part of the plan, to acquire as many, many bad contracts now while we're in a total rebuild, and turn them into assets where possible. The light literally hits at the end of this season.
Thank god and jesus. Thank god and baby jesus.
Yeah it's gonna sound bad, but I've started thinking about this team primarily as Assets. The Flyers are fielding a team of like 7ish players and like 15 assets next season.
You're not wrong.
This dude has spent 12 years of his life living in Columbus and Philly and doesn't want to just go kick back in San Jose at this point and possibly get traded at the deadline? Insanity.
He lives here on purpose and owns a hockey academy in town.
Believe it or not Columbus is actually a good place to live.