Yep, fair. Especially because it’s not the type of work that is just the same, repeated and consistent. So there is thought and processes and strategy and pondering and… that stuff all takes time.
Go run some conduit, cable, cameras, then mount it all and terminate your connections and configure the cameras. You’ll see it’s not only fair, but your dad is getting his money’s worth, plus tax. I’m not being a jerk, either. It’s a serious undertaking.
Source: I’m a career IT guy and do a lot of this
Yes that’s reasonable. Bending conduit takes time, so does fishing cable, mounting cameras, cat6 terminations, IPing cameras, aiming, focusing, programming, etc.
Edit: that’s actually more than reasonable.
Because when you charge a fixed labor rate per hour (let's say $100 per hour for simplicity) using decimals on an invoice is the easiest way to do it. One of my invoices will have whatever parts itemized with the cost of each, and below that let's say "4.5 hours labor -- $100/hr -- $450"
That's not the best explanation but I hope it makes sense. We use 15 minute increments to keep the decimals looking relatively tidy. I'd post one of my invoices to make it clear but I don't want to dox myself lol
Ya they've got a third AND a quarter, seems like a headache to me personally that's why we use 15 min/.25hr increments only. We used to do half hour increments but it was annoying and sometimes customers would get mad for paying 2.5 hours labor if we only worked 2 hours 12 minutes or whatever.
Wow that looks very reasonable. I'm tech savvy. Installed my own system and it took about a 40 hours to finish all the runs, paint the conduit, and get everything set up and running
Considering that in some cases they ran conduit and ran cable, it seems more than fair. Depends on market but I have recentish quotes for $165-$235 a drop including termination, test, labeling, and certification but that’s probably assuming either drop ceiling, existing conduit, and or new construction. Also depends on number of drops overall and quality of materials. In either case the time component here looks good.
Thank you, everyone! I appreciate all your feedback and I feel very comfortable with the bill. Normally wouldn't questions these things but there have been concerns in the past.
No issue that I see. Pulling individual runs is time consuming, assuming the conduit wasn't already there, even more so. Now if it was there and there was pull string to all the locations, that's a different story.
This. If I'm unsure of how long something will take I try to always offer time and materials bill. If they push for a number I over inflate my bid, would rather lose the job than lose money.
took me and my pops about 2 hours to run about 75 feet of type 6 copper wire and pvc pipe to install a tesla charger into our breaker box. that shit heavy and rigid AF. We not even done installing it into the outlet and breaker box either.
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Looks cheap honestly, depends entirely on the area and job type but I would charge more...
I’ve done a bunch of camera systems, and that’s a guy who works pretty efficiently for everything he listed. Totally reasonable hour totals.
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Especially if there is no call out fee too, every one of those days should have $200 call out fee on top
Looks fair, even with 2 people pulling single runs of cable is hard.
Yep, fair. Especially because it’s not the type of work that is just the same, repeated and consistent. So there is thought and processes and strategy and pondering and… that stuff all takes time.
Extremely reasonable.
Go run some conduit, cable, cameras, then mount it all and terminate your connections and configure the cameras. You’ll see it’s not only fair, but your dad is getting his money’s worth, plus tax. I’m not being a jerk, either. It’s a serious undertaking. Source: I’m a career IT guy and do a lot of this
This.... I stalled an 8 camera system and did all the above.. what's listed above is a steal
Looks normal to me. If not a little conservative.
Yes that’s reasonable. Bending conduit takes time, so does fishing cable, mounting cameras, cat6 terminations, IPing cameras, aiming, focusing, programming, etc.
Yes that’s reasonable. Bending conduit takes time, so does fishing cable, mounting cameras, cat6 terminations, IPing cameras, aiming, focusing, programming, etc. Edit: that’s actually more than reasonable.
The highlighter is completely unreasonable, though.
I lol'd 😂😂
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Because when you charge a fixed labor rate per hour (let's say $100 per hour for simplicity) using decimals on an invoice is the easiest way to do it. One of my invoices will have whatever parts itemized with the cost of each, and below that let's say "4.5 hours labor -- $100/hr -- $450" That's not the best explanation but I hope it makes sense. We use 15 minute increments to keep the decimals looking relatively tidy. I'd post one of my invoices to make it clear but I don't want to dox myself lol
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Ya they've got a third AND a quarter, seems like a headache to me personally that's why we use 15 min/.25hr increments only. We used to do half hour increments but it was annoying and sometimes customers would get mad for paying 2.5 hours labor if we only worked 2 hours 12 minutes or whatever.
This was a good chuckle, thank you!
Looks good to me.
If those are his real hours then that tech needs an increase on his salary. Am tech.
Wow that looks very reasonable. I'm tech savvy. Installed my own system and it took about a 40 hours to finish all the runs, paint the conduit, and get everything set up and running
Considering that in some cases they ran conduit and ran cable, it seems more than fair. Depends on market but I have recentish quotes for $165-$235 a drop including termination, test, labeling, and certification but that’s probably assuming either drop ceiling, existing conduit, and or new construction. Also depends on number of drops overall and quality of materials. In either case the time component here looks good.
Thank you, everyone! I appreciate all your feedback and I feel very comfortable with the bill. Normally wouldn't questions these things but there have been concerns in the past.
You be nice to that man!
No issue that I see. Pulling individual runs is time consuming, assuming the conduit wasn't already there, even more so. Now if it was there and there was pull string to all the locations, that's a different story.
No that seems right. Depending on the amount of dudes on. A lot of that shit is time consuming as fuck
It took me 6 hours to run three cameras for my father last week, this seems like a deal.
More than fair I think. Based on what’s described they did very fast work for one person. That’s my 2 cents
Looks reasonable to me,
I'll defer to the knowledge of the sub, but this is why I prefer to negotiate the project price if possible. It's nice to have the number preset imo.
You do know project price will probably have you paying more as they'll inflate the price to make sure they are well covered?
This. If I'm unsure of how long something will take I try to always offer time and materials bill. If they push for a number I over inflate my bid, would rather lose the job than lose money.
If I have paid an inflated price it wasn’t much, the small premium (ymmv) was worth the elimination of the moving parts.
Times are reasonable but what does the work look like?
Running wires through a conduit? Think about it! Are you nuts?
Wish I got access to such normally billed services!
Extremely reasonable, In fact if that’s how long he took to do those installs I think he deserves a raise lol
As a technician who does this exact work I can say it’s pretty fair
took me and my pops about 2 hours to run about 75 feet of type 6 copper wire and pvc pipe to install a tesla charger into our breaker box. that shit heavy and rigid AF. We not even done installing it into the outlet and breaker box either.
Just curious. What was his hourly rate? Where is it located. The hours seem very fair!!