Though it’s not a zombie movie when I was watching “Leave The World Behind” with my wife I actually stood up and clapped in my living room for how Kevin Bacon’s character handled someone he knew coming to him for help. My wife told me he was acting like a dick when for once someone handled an outsider being a potential threat to their safety correctly. It was my favorite part of the movie hands down.
The critic in Lady in the Water. He was right about almost EVERYTHING and the other characters still didn't appreciate him.
The Cop in Abigail. Trying to kill her was their best bet... His plan was bad though.
The jerk in Cabin Fever who died last(on screen anyway). He had the right idea.
I found how he was in the third act really jarring. >!His personality completely changed to become a moustache twirling villain. I know he was turned into a vampire, but they hadn't established at any point that it really changes your personality. When Kathryn Newton's character changed we saw that Abigail was controlling her.!<
Until the infected get inside and then he can't escape with his family when the zombies are INSIDE of the house.
Barb had it right in the remake, they should have booked it when they had the chance.
I swear in post-apocalyptic/disaster movies, whenever a guy is like “no, fuck the people out there, we need to focus on us, not help complete strangers” every single time they are treated like an asshole, and in hindsight they are always right 💀
Yep. Laying low in that house with the lights off until morning would have been the right call. Nailing those boards to the windows and doors attracted a ton of zombies.
Judging from the dead guy in the ceiling, the zombies were hanging around anyway.
Ben’s escape plan was actually working…until the Tom and Judy basically die and stuff it all up with their own mistakes.
Not horror, but Walter Peck was right in Ghostbusters.
He wasn't right that they were grifters drugging people, but he was right in that the EPA should've been concerned with what they were doing.
Oh absolutely. He was mainly only right about the fact that it never should've been built with zero oversight. Everything else he was being an asshole about.
I say this every time a topic like this comes up. Yes, he was an asshole but he was right. He wasn’t even rude at first, it wasn’t until Venkman rudely told him to go away, did he become an asshole and go through the legal system to get a legitimate court order to shut them down pending an investigation. Even in the new one he was right.
> He wasn’t even rude at first, it wasn’t until Venkman rudely told him to go away,
Not sure I completely agree with that. Constantly refering to someone who has two doctorates as "Mr" in that matter was clearly deliberately baiting. But yeah Venkman definitely took the bait and pushed it a bit to far.
Back to The Future had an ending that was very Reagan years. Crispin glover even complained the director about it, which was a stupid move and cost him a job in the sequel, but he had a point
Pritchett (Chris Kattan) in the House on Haunted Hill remake. He was right, but he really didn't manage to convince anyone with his understandably shitty attitude.
Definitely was gonna say this. Also realize it needed to be there for the movie, but if I was *that* afraid of the house you couldn’t pay me to go in it to begin with. But hey, the money hungry do stupid things.
He has the best character arc in the whole movie though. Absolute legend.
Sometimes when I find myself in the middle of an avoidable cluster fuck his "Fucking nursery school" quote comes to mind.
He’s one of my favorite movie characters of all time. I love me a good redemption arc.
Your quote is a good one. “America always sorts this shit out”, “Welp.. fuck the fucker”, “Plan is: you drink a nice fall glass of shut the fuck up”, “What are you, a fucking doctor?” and “”What’s the news? Bad.” are all great. He’s endlessly quotable.
It still baffles me that Snyder made this movie, in particular because of CJ. Like a legitimately horrible character that goes through a believable redemption arc where you actually feel for him in the end.
Just feels so foreign to…well pretty much everything else he’s ever done.
It's probably because James Gunn wrote the screenplay.
I actually like Zack Snyder but story development and/or scriptwriting aren't his strong suits. Gunn however is a very good writer so this just ended up being a very good pairing.
Franklin is 100% right about everything in TCM. Yeah, it was dumb of Sally to suggest taking a guy in a wheelchair on a trip in a hippie van to an old house during a hot summer. Yes, it's perfectly reasonable to be too afraid to let your sister wander off in the dark with the only flashlight when you can't even run if someone attacks you. Yes, headcheese is delicious if you don't know what's in it.
Ultimately in TCM, Leatherface was defending his property from trespassers..... Those random teens could have been there to rob or kill him, just sayin
He is definitely the product of his family. He is just a child doing what he thinks is normal and what is expected from him. The house is basically made out of human remains, so he making funny little masks out of skin is relatively normal as well.
All the townspeople in the Woman in Black. I’d act like a dick too if I lived in a town where kids would die if some dipshit went to a house across the marsh.
Arguably the dad from 28 Weeks Later? I don't think he was an asshole, but people still think it was wrong for him to have abandoned his wife. I think he absolutely did the right thing. Why should both of you have died because she fucked up and tried to save a dumb kid who lead a horde right to you?
Also, Sigourney Weaver in Cabin in the Woods. The world ended cause they didn't die lol.
That's what some people seem to think lol. I remember when it released, that was the prevailing opinion. I think with time people are more receptive to the idea that.. He was entirely in the right. But I remember seeing it in theaters and people were happy he got infected lol.
Seriously, the stoner kid didn’t deserve to die, but it was going to SAVE THE WORLD… that’s not a hard choice. Especially since like 60 seconds later he dies anyway. Better to die for something than die for nothing.
Morgan in the TCM remake. I wouldnt really call him an asshole tho. He was kinda annoying and selfish.
But he was right in saying they should leave the girl's body and get the hell out of there.
That happens a lot is slasher movies. It's a trope for that kind of character to say they need to get out of there, whereas it will be the final girl who says they need to go back (and eventually gets everyone killed because of that decision).
But, because he suffers from the sin of annoying and selfish, he's guaranteed to die, and the final girl will live, because even though she makes constantly stupid decisions, it's the fact that she cared that boosts her morality and allows her to live.
The cops questioning Ellie in Last Night in Soho arent right but I get their disbelief
"Ok lady who was running around in a daze. You are telling us a ghost told you in a dream that a man killed her in the 1960s. But you don't know the names of either person"
"Yes but I think I know the guy. There was an old man at a bar I went to that said I reminded him of someone he knew"
"Do you know his name? Did he say anything else"
"No and No"
"Ms. do you have a history of drug use or of family mental illness?"
Blair seemed off his rocker in The Thing when he was destroying the helicopter and comm center. But he was being smart because he knew they couldn’t let the parasitic alien get to civilized areas.
I’ve always sort of wondered about that, what would have happened if they had sacrificed themselves or at least if she had killed Marty. The gods wouldn’t have risen but everyone in the complex was dead and all the creatures were loose. Could Dana have made it out? Unlikely but it would have been fun to see her try. Would the creatures and killers start roaming free attacking anyone they met? Is that better or worse than just ending things quickly? I know, too much thought for a fun horror movie but ….
I guess it would have prevented the immediate apocalypse but the secret society would have their work cut out for them getting ready for the next year.
I believe that there is an alternative version where Marty dies, and they still lose, because Marty was the "virgin" and the virgin sacrifice dies last. Apparently test audiences hated it, because Marty stole the film, so the ending was changed to be more Marty friendly.
The monsters released from the American compound were a small threat compared to the old gods. The tactical teams failed to contain them just because of the volume of monsters in a confined area. If they got out of containment, the organization would just hunt them down one at a time. They'd each probably kill up to a couple dozen people compared to the old ones ending everything.
Or the organization would just air strike the whole area and rebuild the American complex somewhere else. They obviously have a ton of resources and complexes like this all over the world.
If the world hadn’t ended, there would be a potential for a great tv series, where a special team from the facility had to hunt down all the purged monsters to re-contain them. Or actually it could really work as a prequel series, show how they collected all the monsters in the first place.
Those two were selfish af, while i sort of get their point of view it makes no sense at all.
They're gonna die anyway, might as well die a little sooner to save all of humanity
Thing is, just about a few thousand people around the world know the truth about the Ancient Ones. Why should billions of clueless innocent people suffer and die because those two took upon themselves to be judge, jury and executioner of the entire planet?
Dana and Marty were given a "Knock at the Cabin," scenario in the end and choose to be selfish and, well, evil. Eric in "Knock at the Cabin" was given a similar choice and he chose to save his loved ones and all of humanity. Doesn't Dana and Marty have family? Parents? Possible siblings? Other friends? The fact they were like, "Nah, screw them," made them instant villains in my eyes.
At that point, does any life deserve to continue?
Predators obviously need to kill and eat other animals to continue existing.
Most prey animals will abandon their young to predators, or just kill/kick out the weak ones that probably won't make it to continue their species existence.
Hell even plants fuck eachother over. Vines strangle bigger plants to death, in the rainforest plants grow bigger to get all the sunlight, blocking it out for smaller plants that then die.
Humanity has other issues. But if the sacrifice of 6 young adults a year is all that's required for the human races continuation, that's a pretty crazy good deal compared to nature.
After what they went through they were ready to just burn everything down because if humanity's survival depends on the constant suffering of innocent young ppl then perhaps it's time to just pull the bandaid off so to speak.
I’ve thought about this too, they make a point in the movie that over time the gods required more and more to be entertained. Maybe it was best to end it all.
Steve was even more of an asshole and even more right.
I remember loving that character and hoping to see a lot more of that actor. A couple years later, my cup overrunneth. Love Steve/Phil.
The mother in Pearl was definitely too hard on her, but at the same time, I think she had a right to be very worried about her daughter's ambitions and whereabouts while her husband's health was in decline & had to keep her eye out on running the farm.
She was worried because she knew Pearl was a sociopath. She knew she killed animals and really only thought about herself.
That being said, she should've let her go. It's never okay to chain your children to your way of life and deny them their own existence just because you need help. Then she denied help from Harold's family because "we don't accept charity." I didn't like her character.
If I saw Pearl humping a scarecrow and feeding a goose to an alligator as her mother says she's seeing Pearl doing, I think I'd try to sneak away instead of trying to discipline her into shape.
I dunno, forcing your kid to forever stay with you, never leave, and never allow them to follow their dreams, is shitty no matter what the circumstances are imo.
Pulling this from a recent re-watch. Emery from Rose Red. Yes he was a giant walking donkey asshole about it but he was presenting a viable solution to the problem. Knocking Annie out for a little while may have given them an opportunity to escape. It wasn't an awful idea even if he was a dick about it. I also kind of feel like the others bullied him kind of unnecessarily. He didn't have a pleasant attitude but I don't think anyone tried to be kind to him first.
I don't think he was right.
His main point was that they should stay near the city and not find a safe place to survive. On Shane's advice the camp got overrun with zombies and they barely made it out. Then he wanted to screw up relations with Herschel which would mean losing the help of the farmhands and the only medical professional they had. And then he just wanted to be leader because Rick would get everyone killed because he's too soft... Well turns out rick didn't get everyone killed. It'd be a pretty safe argument that Shane would be the worse leader.
Well, I didn't say he was right in general, but in hindsight, he was right quite a bit, especially when it comes to how to survive in a post-apocalyptic world. Just don't turn psycho (looking at you, murder jacket Rick).
Rick being the leader was a catastrophe. Every single time their group found a community/sanctuary Rick wound up making enemies out of them and got everyone killed. The show should have been calle The Walking Wreckingball.
you need to rewatch the early seasons if you still think shane was right my guy. he would’ve got them all killed so fast. it was always rick coming in with the actually smart and sustainable plans rather than just running headfirst into whatever obstacle they find. shane proved himself to be completely unfit to lead
I mean he was kinda wrong about shooting the one dude in the head and then nearly beating the helicopter pilot to death and also being a racist dickwad...
I don't know they kind of painted Ripley as that coworker who always gave people shit in the beginning of Alien.
"That's not our system."
Lambert
(Stifling frustration)
I know that.
You could tell that there was animosity between the two ladies that's for sure. Even her badly dubbed conversations with Brett and Parker where they're just giving her shit because they know it annoys her.
She definitely wasn't a bitch but they were painting her as the co-worker who was strictly by the books which then frustrated the others at times who was even a bit of a know it all.
Which I would say makes her the better person in those situations. I would love to work with people who actually follow the rules. Especially with that much money on the line with a huge mining operation.
Not entirely sure. A lot of times, what defines the character is not what they say or do, but how they say or do it, i.e. intonation, and their physical appearance. It might not be right, but it happens.
You'll see this in slashers a ton. One example is the remake of TCM. You have one character saying they should abandon their friend and get help instead. But they'll come off as a douche, even though they're making the most judgmentally sound decision.
I'm mainly stating though that how we view a character is very shallow. A different actor, saying the same things, could come off as one whereas Sigourney Weaver would come off as reasonable.
Plus it's not like it's an office job. There's like 7 of them on a ship in deep space with transit times so long that cryo sleep is required to travel. There's no help coming and space is not hospitable. A lot can go wrong and lead to the death of everyone, even besides a super hostile alien. If there's any job that should be done by the book, it's that.
In the movie 2012 (John cusak) there's a guy who everyone labels as a POS because he's like "stop trying to open the doors we can literally all die for this we do not have the time we will literally all DIE"
They open the doors and they get jammed almost killing every person on board and drowning a couple others.
That guy was NOT totally wrong about it being the absolute worst idea ever lol
Sigourney Weaver in Alien. She tried to stop them from bringing the dude with the facehugger onto the ship but dipshit Dallas ordered her to open the door, against protocol!.....#notmycaptain
Pamela Voorhees.
She absolutely did not handle things properly, but her child died due to the massive incompetence of the staff. There would have been lawsuits and probably a criminal case filed over that.
Pretty fucked up to take it out on a group of totally unrelated teens decades later when there aren't even any campers around, but they established pretty well that she was crazy and just wanted to keep the place shut down.
The bully in AVP Requiem, he sucks for most of the film, but towards the end when the Xenomorphs have infested the town he suggests to leave but everyone calls him an idiot, might not be the exact thing since I have seen this movie only once ages ago but still
Leaving was always the master plan. They called him an idiot for saying "let's leave right now without taking this small delay to arm ourselves first".
Woody Harrelson from war for the planet of the apes.
He told ceaser exactly what was going to happen and what he was trying to save humanity from, and that's exactly what happens.
This is actually a rule for me on all movies, not just horror - The best villains of all-time have had points that you can agree with in some messed up way.
If I'm sticking to horror, I never, ever thought Victor Frankenstein wasn't a villain in "Curse of Frankenstein" (1957), but I understood that his obsession with science was his driving force, so he had a point that I identified with. Victor was terrible for what he did, but he did it for science (And a God complex lol), but you can see his side if the viewer supports science advancing.
Part of it probably comes from Frankenstein being the protagonist of the novel/most movies. Hammer’s version is a much bigger arsehole, but some stuff is built in.
I feel like The Creature himself usually the ‘arsehole with a point.’ Even the less-humanised Curse of Frankenstein one is lashing out because he’s brain damaged and abused.
Helps both characters that Paul is apparently the ‘hero’ of the movie, and he’s kinda…crap. With absolutely *no* convictions whatsoever.
I don’t know if it counts but technically Walter Peck in **Ghostbusters**. Sure, he’s a fucking asshole but he’s right to question to experimental technology that not only houses ghosts but is possibly radioactive.
Still dickless though.
Shane from The Walking Dead when he takes the chain off the barn and starts shooting zombies to prove to Hershel that they’re not sick ppl, they’re undead.
>Cotton Weary...I mean he was almost executed wrongfully the least Sid couldve done was a damn interview
Cotton's involvement with Sidney's mom is what set off the chain of events that led to Sid's mom being brutally murdered. Sid had every right to not want to be involved with him in any way.
I think the affair with Billy's father is what really sets everything off.
Cotton was an open secret. People in town knew about them, so the killers just used him as a scapegoat.
Sidney is not really at fault tho, since Billy and Stu planted the evidence to frame him for Maureen's murder.
Technically it all goes back to Roman. He started the whole chain of events. He said Billy didn't like seeing his dad in his movies (while he was following Sid's mom around). Gave him some tips, person to frame in case he was caught etc. He had no idea they would make a movie of their own.
The chain of events really started with John Milton having his Weinstein-esque parties which led to Maureen being raped and having Roman. After she rejected him as a son, Roman went to Billy’s mom with the evidence that her husband was having an affair with Maureen which led her to abandon her family. Then he convinced Billy to get revenge.
You're assuming that Cotton knew that Maureen was married. To him she may have just been someone he met in a bar. Didn't realise she was a married women with a family. Blaming Cotton for this isn't right.
Its heavily implied that he knew she was married since the night Maureen was killed he was at the Prescott house.
I think its Gale who says Cotton forgot his coat there before leaving. Sidney then saw someone (likely Billy) wearing it and assumed it was him.
Liev (Cotton) is 6'3". Matthew (Stu) is 6'4". Skeet (Billy) is 6'0". Technically it could have been Billy wearing coat but Stu is closer to Cotton's height. So either one could have left wearing coat.
How did Cotton set off the chain of events in any way, intentionally or unintentionally? He was just a guy she was sleeping with, and a patsy for Billy and Stu.
If Sid were uncomfortable with him because he was having an affair with her mother, fair. Although in the movie, she's only uncomfortable with him because she spent so long convinced he was the killer. Which is also understandable, but she needs to accept that it *wasn't him*, and it's a bit unfair to let the guy squirm. Not that the affair puts him in morally good territory, but the punishment does not in any way befit his actions.
If you wanna go down *that* rabbit hole, Maureen rejecting Roman is what set things in motion. Cotton was an obvious and convenient scapegoat, and his biggest crime was fucking a married woman, and being a little too desperate in Scream 2.
Of course Sid didn't want to open up the can of worms that was being manipulated into wrongfully accusing an innocent man, who has crazy eyes and keeps demanding she revisit her traumatic experiences *with him*, no less, on national television.
But genuinely, Cotton had zero to do with Maureen's death. It was Roman being rejected, Mrs. Loomis leaving, and Roman goading Billy (and by proxy Stu) into killing Maureen upon seeing how pissed Billy was about the affair.
He was a rapist, and he >!pushed the main character off a building.!<
Sympathy for the "monster" though. She's had a messed up, sheltered life. She didn't know that what she was doing was wrong.
Uh, yeah, sure, greedily exploit a loophole. Maybe he didn't deserve to be killed for that.
But his personality and attitude made it an awesome death. I cheered and then laughed.
Every person in a zombie movie that doesn’t want any new comers to be let in
Though it’s not a zombie movie when I was watching “Leave The World Behind” with my wife I actually stood up and clapped in my living room for how Kevin Bacon’s character handled someone he knew coming to him for help. My wife told me he was acting like a dick when for once someone handled an outsider being a potential threat to their safety correctly. It was my favorite part of the movie hands down.
1000000% Mace from Sunshine. He called all the right shots to make the mission go as smooth as possible even though everyone thought he was a dick
This was my first thought as well. His head was in the right place and he adhered to the mission for the best for mankind
He absolutely was a dick even though he was right. I loved his redemption.
Stu. Peer pressure is very difficult on sensitive people.
his parents are gonna be so mad at him😭😭
He also got hit with a phone.
DICK!
And a nice fat television set to the face. BAGAAHH!
Screaming 😂😂
HEYOOOOOOOOOOOO
You hit me with a phone you dick!
Billy definitely cut him too deep
I’m getting woozy here
The critic in Lady in the Water. He was right about almost EVERYTHING and the other characters still didn't appreciate him. The Cop in Abigail. Trying to kill her was their best bet... His plan was bad though. The jerk in Cabin Fever who died last(on screen anyway). He had the right idea.
Cabin Fever Jerk was the smartest, he just came out of hiding too soon.
Never drink the water.
I was definitely gonna say the cop in Abigail. Damn.
A real love to hate character. Total scumbag but everything he was saying was on point and funny. Until the third act.
I found how he was in the third act really jarring. >!His personality completely changed to become a moustache twirling villain. I know he was turned into a vampire, but they hadn't established at any point that it really changes your personality. When Kathryn Newton's character changed we saw that Abigail was controlling her.!<
[удалено]
Also he was a dickhead the entire time
The random republican guy in Birdbox If they listened to him then everyone would’ve been alive lol
Jeff from Cabin Fever (2002) Sadly he was an idiot at the end and ended up going back to the cabin and flaunting his survival and died lmao
I mean, all he had to drink was beer. He acted exactly like a drunk guy, could there have been a more rational outcome for him?
He's drunk and probably got curious what happened. Probably didn't expect police to be there.
Up until his demise he probably didn't expect anyone to be alive, let alone cops with guns! Lol
Harry in Night Of The Living Dead(1968). An obnoxious piece of shit but he kinda did turn out to be right. The cellar REALLY was the safest place.
He hides in the attic in the 1990 version and even manages to survive the night. His mistake was revealing himself to Barbara in the morning.
Lol my brothers and I cheered when he got shot
YA BUNCH OF YO-YOS!
Lmfaooooo
There’s a reason his ‘cross the line’ moment is when he opts to purposefully kill Ben.
Until the infected get inside and then he can't escape with his family when the zombies are INSIDE of the house. Barb had it right in the remake, they should have booked it when they had the chance.
I always thought why didn't they just get a hammer or rock and break the lock to the gas pump when there was still light out and not alot of zombies.
The owner of the house from 10 Cloverfield Lane was right about... you know, the situation.
Because of the implication
Cloverfield / IASIP crossover feature movie coming to a cinema near you soon...
Reading thru the ARG and finding out he legitimately knew due to his job, I was further shocked.
The old guy in birdbox was right about not letting the guy in and you know why 😔
I swear in post-apocalyptic/disaster movies, whenever a guy is like “no, fuck the people out there, we need to focus on us, not help complete strangers” every single time they are treated like an asshole, and in hindsight they are always right 💀
The voice of reason in any situation is always treated like an asshole when the other group is large enough to have mob mentality.
Tbf it *is* an asshole move, it just happens that it is also the most effective thing to do
I came here to say this! Sucks he was right.
What are you? A simpleton?
>The old guy You mean two-time Academy award nominee John Malkovich?
Malkovich Malkovich.
Hey Malkovich! Think fast!
Cooper in Night of the Living Dead was unlikeable but probably most the correct of all them.
Yep. Laying low in that house with the lights off until morning would have been the right call. Nailing those boards to the windows and doors attracted a ton of zombies.
Judging from the dead guy in the ceiling, the zombies were hanging around anyway. Ben’s escape plan was actually working…until the Tom and Judy basically die and stuff it all up with their own mistakes.
Christine had every right to go after the bullies.
they took a shit on her dashboard for pete's sake
what movie are you referencing?
Christine
Christine (1983)
Netflix show called Selling Sunset
I never expected to see a Selling Sunset reference here. Thank you for that, lol.
Christine and her bullies fit perfectly lol
Scariest show I've ever seen
Not horror, but Walter Peck was right in Ghostbusters. He wasn't right that they were grifters drugging people, but he was right in that the EPA should've been concerned with what they were doing.
You're right; this man has no dick.
THEY CAUSED AN EXPLOSION!
I watched this again last night and laughed for so long I had to rewind it at this part.
He was pretty wrong to insist on turning off the containment unit without knowing what would happen though.
Oh absolutely. He was mainly only right about the fact that it never should've been built with zero oversight. Everything else he was being an asshole about.
His problem should have been with Reagan rather than the Ghostbusters.
I say this every time a topic like this comes up. Yes, he was an asshole but he was right. He wasn’t even rude at first, it wasn’t until Venkman rudely told him to go away, did he become an asshole and go through the legal system to get a legitimate court order to shut them down pending an investigation. Even in the new one he was right.
> He wasn’t even rude at first, it wasn’t until Venkman rudely told him to go away, Not sure I completely agree with that. Constantly refering to someone who has two doctorates as "Mr" in that matter was clearly deliberately baiting. But yeah Venkman definitely took the bait and pushed it a bit to far.
The Raegan brain-rot in that movie is tough lol it’s a lot of fun but some of those themes oh boy.
Back to The Future had an ending that was very Reagan years. Crispin glover even complained the director about it, which was a stupid move and cost him a job in the sequel, but he had a point
That's some shady shit!
That’s probably how he ended up as Mayor in the latest installation. Turns out, he had a good point…
Pritchett (Chris Kattan) in the House on Haunted Hill remake. He was right, but he really didn't manage to convince anyone with his understandably shitty attitude.
Definitely was gonna say this. Also realize it needed to be there for the movie, but if I was *that* afraid of the house you couldn’t pay me to go in it to begin with. But hey, the money hungry do stupid things.
Yeah, I'd insist on cash up front, if I were in his shoes.
Yep! Mail me a check, wire me the money, whatever. Once in hand? Here’s the keys, I’ll see your corpses in the morning. ✌🏻
The ending of that movie is so infuriating because WHAT THE FUCK DO THE TWO SURVIVORS DO NOW? Fly?
Security guard in DoTD remake
“You start letting people in, sooner or later you’re gonna let the wrong ones in. When that happens, I’m dead. And you know what? I DON’T WANNA DIE.”
He has the best character arc in the whole movie though. Absolute legend. Sometimes when I find myself in the middle of an avoidable cluster fuck his "Fucking nursery school" quote comes to mind.
He’s one of my favorite movie characters of all time. I love me a good redemption arc. Your quote is a good one. “America always sorts this shit out”, “Welp.. fuck the fucker”, “Plan is: you drink a nice fall glass of shut the fuck up”, “What are you, a fucking doctor?” and “”What’s the news? Bad.” are all great. He’s endlessly quotable.
Pure James Gunn, without Disney reining him in for the MCU.
It still baffles me that Snyder made this movie, in particular because of CJ. Like a legitimately horrible character that goes through a believable redemption arc where you actually feel for him in the end. Just feels so foreign to…well pretty much everything else he’s ever done.
It's probably because James Gunn wrote the screenplay. I actually like Zack Snyder but story development and/or scriptwriting aren't his strong suits. Gunn however is a very good writer so this just ended up being a very good pairing.
CJ
You can take your ass over to the Quality Inn if it's still there, Shaq!
What is DoTD?
Snyder's "Dawn Of The Dead"
Thank you, I have that on video!
Ed from *Fright Night* The point of a pop quiz is to surprise you.
"That's the point of a pop quiz Brewster...to surprise you!"
Franklin is 100% right about everything in TCM. Yeah, it was dumb of Sally to suggest taking a guy in a wheelchair on a trip in a hippie van to an old house during a hot summer. Yes, it's perfectly reasonable to be too afraid to let your sister wander off in the dark with the only flashlight when you can't even run if someone attacks you. Yes, headcheese is delicious if you don't know what's in it.
Ultimately in TCM, Leatherface was defending his property from trespassers..... Those random teens could have been there to rob or kill him, just sayin
Sure but I don't think Leatherface is generally considered an asshole so much as a monster.
Dude's not a monster either. He's a good boy.
LEATHERFACE DID NOTHING WRONG
He is definitely the product of his family. He is just a child doing what he thinks is normal and what is expected from him. The house is basically made out of human remains, so he making funny little masks out of skin is relatively normal as well.
What's TCM?
Jordan in Bodies Bodies Bodies. They WERE fucking and she IS psycho.
Cotton from the Scream franchise.
All the townspeople in the Woman in Black. I’d act like a dick too if I lived in a town where kids would die if some dipshit went to a house across the marsh.
Arguably the dad from 28 Weeks Later? I don't think he was an asshole, but people still think it was wrong for him to have abandoned his wife. I think he absolutely did the right thing. Why should both of you have died because she fucked up and tried to save a dumb kid who lead a horde right to you? Also, Sigourney Weaver in Cabin in the Woods. The world ended cause they didn't die lol.
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That's what some people seem to think lol. I remember when it released, that was the prevailing opinion. I think with time people are more receptive to the idea that.. He was entirely in the right. But I remember seeing it in theaters and people were happy he got infected lol.
Seriously, the stoner kid didn’t deserve to die, but it was going to SAVE THE WORLD… that’s not a hard choice. Especially since like 60 seconds later he dies anyway. Better to die for something than die for nothing.
Morgan in the TCM remake. I wouldnt really call him an asshole tho. He was kinda annoying and selfish. But he was right in saying they should leave the girl's body and get the hell out of there.
That happens a lot is slasher movies. It's a trope for that kind of character to say they need to get out of there, whereas it will be the final girl who says they need to go back (and eventually gets everyone killed because of that decision). But, because he suffers from the sin of annoying and selfish, he's guaranteed to die, and the final girl will live, because even though she makes constantly stupid decisions, it's the fact that she cared that boosts her morality and allows her to live.
Captain Rhodes - Day Of The Dead The prick was correct. All they were doing was wasting time
The cops questioning Ellie in Last Night in Soho arent right but I get their disbelief "Ok lady who was running around in a daze. You are telling us a ghost told you in a dream that a man killed her in the 1960s. But you don't know the names of either person" "Yes but I think I know the guy. There was an old man at a bar I went to that said I reminded him of someone he knew" "Do you know his name? Did he say anything else" "No and No" "Ms. do you have a history of drug use or of family mental illness?"
I mean Ellie wasn't right either.
Blair seemed off his rocker in The Thing when he was destroying the helicopter and comm center. But he was being smart because he knew they couldn’t let the parasitic alien get to civilized areas.
Sigourney Weavers character in Cabin in the Woods. Those kids could a just taken one for the rest of humanity.
I’ve always sort of wondered about that, what would have happened if they had sacrificed themselves or at least if she had killed Marty. The gods wouldn’t have risen but everyone in the complex was dead and all the creatures were loose. Could Dana have made it out? Unlikely but it would have been fun to see her try. Would the creatures and killers start roaming free attacking anyone they met? Is that better or worse than just ending things quickly? I know, too much thought for a fun horror movie but ….
I guess it would have prevented the immediate apocalypse but the secret society would have their work cut out for them getting ready for the next year.
the secret society's international branches were still fine, their sacrifices failed but its implied that happens all the time.
I believe that there is an alternative version where Marty dies, and they still lose, because Marty was the "virgin" and the virgin sacrifice dies last. Apparently test audiences hated it, because Marty stole the film, so the ending was changed to be more Marty friendly.
In a meta way the “gods” aka audience hated that version too and blew it up lol
There was a containment barrier around the “set;” we saw Hemsworth’s character hit it-maybe that would have kept the monsters in a certain area?
The monsters released from the American compound were a small threat compared to the old gods. The tactical teams failed to contain them just because of the volume of monsters in a confined area. If they got out of containment, the organization would just hunt them down one at a time. They'd each probably kill up to a couple dozen people compared to the old ones ending everything. Or the organization would just air strike the whole area and rebuild the American complex somewhere else. They obviously have a ton of resources and complexes like this all over the world.
If the world hadn’t ended, there would be a potential for a great tv series, where a special team from the facility had to hunt down all the purged monsters to re-contain them. Or actually it could really work as a prequel series, show how they collected all the monsters in the first place.
The GOC or Serpent's Hand steps in to fix the Foundation's mistakes
She’d have gotten away with it if it weren’t for those meddling kids!
“Shaggy” knew something shady was going on.
Absolutely not. If I'm going to be dead, I might as well take the rest of humanity with me. Find some volunteers for that shit.
Exactly! If I have to go out, especially after all the shit they went through, & taking everyone with me.
Those two were selfish af, while i sort of get their point of view it makes no sense at all. They're gonna die anyway, might as well die a little sooner to save all of humanity
Ii always think of it as why should humanity get to continue if it relies on the suffering of a certain amount of innocents every year
I hate to tell you this but…
Thing is, just about a few thousand people around the world know the truth about the Ancient Ones. Why should billions of clueless innocent people suffer and die because those two took upon themselves to be judge, jury and executioner of the entire planet? Dana and Marty were given a "Knock at the Cabin," scenario in the end and choose to be selfish and, well, evil. Eric in "Knock at the Cabin" was given a similar choice and he chose to save his loved ones and all of humanity. Doesn't Dana and Marty have family? Parents? Possible siblings? Other friends? The fact they were like, "Nah, screw them," made them instant villains in my eyes.
At that point, does any life deserve to continue? Predators obviously need to kill and eat other animals to continue existing. Most prey animals will abandon their young to predators, or just kill/kick out the weak ones that probably won't make it to continue their species existence. Hell even plants fuck eachother over. Vines strangle bigger plants to death, in the rainforest plants grow bigger to get all the sunlight, blocking it out for smaller plants that then die. Humanity has other issues. But if the sacrifice of 6 young adults a year is all that's required for the human races continuation, that's a pretty crazy good deal compared to nature.
After what they went through they were ready to just burn everything down because if humanity's survival depends on the constant suffering of innocent young ppl then perhaps it's time to just pull the bandaid off so to speak.
I’ve thought about this too, they make a point in the movie that over time the gods required more and more to be entertained. Maybe it was best to end it all.
The one camera guy from "The Taking of Deborah Logan" He saw which way the wind was blowing, spoke up about it then peaced out.
CJ from dawn of the dead (2004)
Steve was even more of an asshole and even more right. I remember loving that character and hoping to see a lot more of that actor. A couple years later, my cup overrunneth. Love Steve/Phil.
I'd always chuckle to myself when I would watch Modern Family.
My brother shoulda made it.
The mother in Pearl was definitely too hard on her, but at the same time, I think she had a right to be very worried about her daughter's ambitions and whereabouts while her husband's health was in decline & had to keep her eye out on running the farm.
She was worried because she knew Pearl was a sociopath. She knew she killed animals and really only thought about herself. That being said, she should've let her go. It's never okay to chain your children to your way of life and deny them their own existence just because you need help. Then she denied help from Harold's family because "we don't accept charity." I didn't like her character.
That pig rotting with maggots growing all over it is the grossest scene in the movie for me. Maggots make me want to hurl.
If I saw Pearl humping a scarecrow and feeding a goose to an alligator as her mother says she's seeing Pearl doing, I think I'd try to sneak away instead of trying to discipline her into shape.
I dunno, forcing your kid to forever stay with you, never leave, and never allow them to follow their dreams, is shitty no matter what the circumstances are imo.
Pulling this from a recent re-watch. Emery from Rose Red. Yes he was a giant walking donkey asshole about it but he was presenting a viable solution to the problem. Knocking Annie out for a little while may have given them an opportunity to escape. It wasn't an awful idea even if he was a dick about it. I also kind of feel like the others bullied him kind of unnecessarily. He didn't have a pleasant attitude but I don't think anyone tried to be kind to him first.
Shane from The Walking Dead dude was right about a lot of things but unfortunately, he went psycho over Lori
I don't think he was right. His main point was that they should stay near the city and not find a safe place to survive. On Shane's advice the camp got overrun with zombies and they barely made it out. Then he wanted to screw up relations with Herschel which would mean losing the help of the farmhands and the only medical professional they had. And then he just wanted to be leader because Rick would get everyone killed because he's too soft... Well turns out rick didn't get everyone killed. It'd be a pretty safe argument that Shane would be the worse leader.
Well, I didn't say he was right in general, but in hindsight, he was right quite a bit, especially when it comes to how to survive in a post-apocalyptic world. Just don't turn psycho (looking at you, murder jacket Rick).
Rick being the leader was a catastrophe. Every single time their group found a community/sanctuary Rick wound up making enemies out of them and got everyone killed. The show should have been calle The Walking Wreckingball.
Rick was pretty chill Negan and the farm weren't on him
you need to rewatch the early seasons if you still think shane was right my guy. he would’ve got them all killed so fast. it was always rick coming in with the actually smart and sustainable plans rather than just running headfirst into whatever obstacle they find. shane proved himself to be completely unfit to lead
John malkovichs character in bird box
Rhodes in Day of the Dead. He was a loon, but he wasn’t necessarily wrong.
I mean he was kinda wrong about shooting the one dude in the head and then nearly beating the helicopter pilot to death and also being a racist dickwad...
Ripley was right in Alien. Should never have let Kane on the ship.
The question was about asshole characters, though. Riley was never an asshole.
I don't know they kind of painted Ripley as that coworker who always gave people shit in the beginning of Alien. "That's not our system." Lambert (Stifling frustration) I know that. You could tell that there was animosity between the two ladies that's for sure. Even her badly dubbed conversations with Brett and Parker where they're just giving her shit because they know it annoys her. She definitely wasn't a bitch but they were painting her as the co-worker who was strictly by the books which then frustrated the others at times who was even a bit of a know it all.
Which I would say makes her the better person in those situations. I would love to work with people who actually follow the rules. Especially with that much money on the line with a huge mining operation.
Oh I agree 💯. She is Ripley for a reason lol. I was just stating though that the other characters did seem to view her as kind of an asshole.
Not entirely sure. A lot of times, what defines the character is not what they say or do, but how they say or do it, i.e. intonation, and their physical appearance. It might not be right, but it happens. You'll see this in slashers a ton. One example is the remake of TCM. You have one character saying they should abandon their friend and get help instead. But they'll come off as a douche, even though they're making the most judgmentally sound decision.
Yeah, and Ripley never comes across as an asshole, in my eyes. She is always reasonable and has good points to back up whatever she’s arguing.
I'm mainly stating though that how we view a character is very shallow. A different actor, saying the same things, could come off as one whereas Sigourney Weaver would come off as reasonable.
Plus it's not like it's an office job. There's like 7 of them on a ship in deep space with transit times so long that cryo sleep is required to travel. There's no help coming and space is not hospitable. A lot can go wrong and lead to the death of everyone, even besides a super hostile alien. If there's any job that should be done by the book, it's that.
Though not horror, Nathan in Ex Machina.
In the movie 2012 (John cusak) there's a guy who everyone labels as a POS because he's like "stop trying to open the doors we can literally all die for this we do not have the time we will literally all DIE" They open the doors and they get jammed almost killing every person on board and drowning a couple others. That guy was NOT totally wrong about it being the absolute worst idea ever lol
Sigourney Weaver in Alien. She tried to stop them from bringing the dude with the facehugger onto the ship but dipshit Dallas ordered her to open the door, against protocol!.....#notmycaptain
Pamela Voorhees. She absolutely did not handle things properly, but her child died due to the massive incompetence of the staff. There would have been lawsuits and probably a criminal case filed over that. Pretty fucked up to take it out on a group of totally unrelated teens decades later when there aren't even any campers around, but they established pretty well that she was crazy and just wanted to keep the place shut down.
I think there's a difference between being right as in correct and right as in justified. This thread is more about the former.
The comedian from Elevator
The bully in AVP Requiem, he sucks for most of the film, but towards the end when the Xenomorphs have infested the town he suggests to leave but everyone calls him an idiot, might not be the exact thing since I have seen this movie only once ages ago but still
Leaving was always the master plan. They called him an idiot for saying "let's leave right now without taking this small delay to arm ourselves first".
Woody Harrelson from war for the planet of the apes. He told ceaser exactly what was going to happen and what he was trying to save humanity from, and that's exactly what happens.
This is actually a rule for me on all movies, not just horror - The best villains of all-time have had points that you can agree with in some messed up way. If I'm sticking to horror, I never, ever thought Victor Frankenstein wasn't a villain in "Curse of Frankenstein" (1957), but I understood that his obsession with science was his driving force, so he had a point that I identified with. Victor was terrible for what he did, but he did it for science (And a God complex lol), but you can see his side if the viewer supports science advancing.
Part of it probably comes from Frankenstein being the protagonist of the novel/most movies. Hammer’s version is a much bigger arsehole, but some stuff is built in. I feel like The Creature himself usually the ‘arsehole with a point.’ Even the less-humanised Curse of Frankenstein one is lashing out because he’s brain damaged and abused. Helps both characters that Paul is apparently the ‘hero’ of the movie, and he’s kinda…crap. With absolutely *no* convictions whatsoever.
John Goodman in 10 Cloverfield Lane
I don’t know if it counts but technically Walter Peck in **Ghostbusters**. Sure, he’s a fucking asshole but he’s right to question to experimental technology that not only houses ghosts but is possibly radioactive. Still dickless though.
Shane from The Walking Dead when he takes the chain off the barn and starts shooting zombies to prove to Hershel that they’re not sick ppl, they’re undead.
Ian McKinley from Final Destination 3. He wasn't right about everything but he definitely had good points.
>Cotton Weary...I mean he was almost executed wrongfully the least Sid couldve done was a damn interview Cotton's involvement with Sidney's mom is what set off the chain of events that led to Sid's mom being brutally murdered. Sid had every right to not want to be involved with him in any way.
I think the affair with Billy's father is what really sets everything off. Cotton was an open secret. People in town knew about them, so the killers just used him as a scapegoat. Sidney is not really at fault tho, since Billy and Stu planted the evidence to frame him for Maureen's murder.
Technically it all goes back to Roman. He started the whole chain of events. He said Billy didn't like seeing his dad in his movies (while he was following Sid's mom around). Gave him some tips, person to frame in case he was caught etc. He had no idea they would make a movie of their own.
The chain of events really started with John Milton having his Weinstein-esque parties which led to Maureen being raped and having Roman. After she rejected him as a son, Roman went to Billy’s mom with the evidence that her husband was having an affair with Maureen which led her to abandon her family. Then he convinced Billy to get revenge.
You're assuming that Cotton knew that Maureen was married. To him she may have just been someone he met in a bar. Didn't realise she was a married women with a family. Blaming Cotton for this isn't right.
Its heavily implied that he knew she was married since the night Maureen was killed he was at the Prescott house. I think its Gale who says Cotton forgot his coat there before leaving. Sidney then saw someone (likely Billy) wearing it and assumed it was him.
Liev (Cotton) is 6'3". Matthew (Stu) is 6'4". Skeet (Billy) is 6'0". Technically it could have been Billy wearing coat but Stu is closer to Cotton's height. So either one could have left wearing coat.
How did Cotton set off the chain of events in any way, intentionally or unintentionally? He was just a guy she was sleeping with, and a patsy for Billy and Stu. If Sid were uncomfortable with him because he was having an affair with her mother, fair. Although in the movie, she's only uncomfortable with him because she spent so long convinced he was the killer. Which is also understandable, but she needs to accept that it *wasn't him*, and it's a bit unfair to let the guy squirm. Not that the affair puts him in morally good territory, but the punishment does not in any way befit his actions.
If you wanna go down *that* rabbit hole, Maureen rejecting Roman is what set things in motion. Cotton was an obvious and convenient scapegoat, and his biggest crime was fucking a married woman, and being a little too desperate in Scream 2. Of course Sid didn't want to open up the can of worms that was being manipulated into wrongfully accusing an innocent man, who has crazy eyes and keeps demanding she revisit her traumatic experiences *with him*, no less, on national television. But genuinely, Cotton had zero to do with Maureen's death. It was Roman being rejected, Mrs. Loomis leaving, and Roman goading Billy (and by proxy Stu) into killing Maureen upon seeing how pissed Billy was about the affair.
Pearl’s mother in “Pearl”
Lmao.. The clueless dude from Barbarian the one who was measuring the length of his basement. He was kinda of right for doing that
He was a rapist, and he >!pushed the main character off a building.!< Sympathy for the "monster" though. She's had a messed up, sheltered life. She didn't know that what she was doing was wrong.
Uh, yeah, sure, greedily exploit a loophole. Maybe he didn't deserve to be killed for that. But his personality and attitude made it an awesome death. I cheered and then laughed.
Rod from the T-S-motherfucking-A. “I told you not to go into that house”
Captain Rhodes in Day of the Dead
The Nun from Night of the Demons 2
Copper from night of the living dead both the orginal and remake. They should have just stayed in the basement and they would have made it.
The basement asshole in night of the living dead had a point.
David from Shaun of the Dead.
Sgt. Doakes
Freddy did nothing wrong. Teens need to be culled or they get out of control.