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yes! and seeing boris return in Robin Hood was the fuckin best.
“what are you abt a thixteen? thixteen and a half?”
“it’s a bit tight.”
“well thath the idea!”
You joke, but there is a video floating around of a rapid fire guillotining in south east Asia where the machine flips the body in to a coffin and then the next guy is pushed down, beheaded, flipped in a box, repeat. It's really fast and robotic, like an assembly line of execution. They really did seem like they had a deadline to meet.
I was trying to find a link to it after I posted that, but having no luck. I once found a website with links to several videos of known guillotine executions, including the one above. The one I am thinking of was in Vietnam or some other French colonial area and they were executing a bunch of people at once, I think maybe a group of rebels. It was black and white, not sure of the year.
I'll try looking for it again.
Edit: Still no luck. Not suprisingly, real videos of people being executed aren't easy to find. I can only swear I did see it. It disturbed me how methodically they tore through the prisoners. In movies and TV shows it's always drawn out and dramatic, but the people in that video had no time for speeches or tense, slow lifting of the blade. Sorry, I hate to be that guy who can't provide proof.
Isn’t there a website of videos of executions and murders? I remember going on this website gore.com in 2014 and watched a mass beheading done in the Middle East. It might be gore.net . Hopefully it’ll help you locate it
I know you were just joking but I got curious to see what day of the week it was and that day landed on a Saturday. Kinda makes more sense why they were in a rush, it was their day off.
They would strap the condemned to a board and then slide the board into place. There is someone waiting to immediately push the body off the board into a box/basket/to-go container.
Well I don't know about you, but if I were about to be getting my head chopped off, I'd be fighting. They'd have to go fast to catch me in the right spot.
It’s 1939. I doubt anyone cared about being ethical enough to drug someone to reduce their pain. They just wanna get the job done and collect their pay check lmao. Drugging won’t help anyone so why do it?
They did drug many people before execution, this was a common practice in execution since the 1700's, some people took it upon themselves, some paid the executioner, some had family's and loved ones purchase drugs for them.
It has never been uncommon for people to be drugged before being led to the executioner.
It made for a smoother process, dragging a prisoner who is out of it is easier than a prisoner who would struggle and put up a fight.
The benefit for the prisoner would be the fact that they were so out of it they were not aware of what was happening.
I know which method I would prefer if it were me.
“Mercy. Say Mercy! Does the prisoner wish to say a word?”
“Freeeeedommmm”
Sorry, this reminded me of the brave heart scene where the princess offers him some drugs and he says no cause it will dull his wits.
This story gets even crazier when you find out that
- A 17 year old Christopher Lee (yes, the actor) was in the crowd of people who witnessed Eugène’s execution.
- It wasn’t until 38 years later that France used the guillotine for the final time.
Fun fact, Christopher Lee was the only LOTR cast member to have actually met Tolkien. He was also friends with Ian Fleming (creator of James Bond) and was in real life British intelligence.
While filming the scene where Saruman gets stabbed, he told Peter Jackson exactly the sound someone makes when they’re stabbed in the lungs and how his directing notes got it wrong. He was also in a heavy metal band. And in the original Wicker Man, one of the best horror movies ever made and the founder of the whole genre of ‘daytime horror’.
Truly one of the most complete and well-rounded humans who has ever lived IMO.
I think they hanged them. In fact, please check out [Pierrepoint, the last hangman](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0462477/). Very good movie with Tim Spall. So much science goes into hanging someone to do it properly, and yes, humanely.
I’ve read that sometimes it could come down slighly askew (I hope it is the right word, English isnt my native language), and could become lodged in the jaw, or similar, and they would have to press it down manually, because they couldnt get it free.
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I just want them to put a e.e.g. on the first person they use it on. That way we can settle once and for all how long until brain death occurs after decapitation.
Looks like an easy fix nowadays. And still sounds better than being electrocuted, or given a bunch of drugs that may or may not work right.
In fact, I'd say some of the most humane executions come from horrible countries like North Korea. Nothing is quicker and less painful that being executed by artillery cannon to the head.
I’ll tell you what, death by guillotine isn’t even close to the top or the “ways I don’t want to die” list. Lights out almost instantaneously sounds pretty good all things considered. I think i remember reading that at most you’d have ~15 seconds of semi consciousness before your brain goes black.
The biography of hunter s Thompson (Gonzo) has a chapter written by the doc who did his autopsy. HST died by suicide. He put a pistol in his mouth. The doc said something like;”hunter hit the bullseye. Bullet went right through the brain stem, killing him instantly.”
15 seconds of life, but the blade is super heavy, it has a weight on it, and it rocks the guy unconscious straight away. Then 15 seconds of blood loss, and actual death - for the head part.
It’s considered barbaric because you can actually see the damage it causes (head being chopped off). While with electric chairs and hangings you don’t see any of the damage it causes because all the damage is internal (collapsed lungs or fried heart). It’s cognitive dissonance at work. Electric chairs and hangings make people feel less guilty because it looks more “peaceful” despite being more painful
Electrocution is absolutely visually traumatizing, there's nothing peaceful about it. They don't put the hood over their heads to protect the condemned's identity or even to mask the anguished look on their face, they put a hood over their heads in case their eyes explode, and to hide all the blood that will be coming from the eyes, nose and ears from spectators. Electrocution is a terrible way to die.
Well, guillotine is more humane for the victim, less for spectators. Other methods are the opposite.
It makes some sense making spectators wellness a priority compared to the victim, considering he's guilty and such. Of course, both things could be achieved if executions weren't a public show. Just execute privately without spectators, and use a humane method without showing gory details.
Or just stop executing people, that would be the best choice.
Well some studies have revealed that death by beheading is extremely painful. In the laboratories around the world where they use rats for experiments and tests, researchers thought it was the most humane and painless way to kill the rats after they experimented on them, but they found out there is still brain activity and they still mantain consciousness for several seconds after the beheading, but mainly there is one part of the brain that showed heavy activity more than anything else and it was the part that processes pain.
Today they are just called "guns" and ya I think those are considered barbaric too. It might be the killing part that is the problem.... And maybe the system passing judgement and handing out the death penalty on innocent people.. if that is a non-zero number.... it's too often.
Because it frequently didn't cut through the neck completely. Not guaranteed to be painless.
Though IMO all capital punishment is barbaric - it's not justice, it's bloodthirsty revenge.
I am not generally in favor of capital punishment. However, I can understand the arguments in favour:
There are some crimes that simply cannot be forgiven; Generally think any crime where just reading about it leaves you feeling fucked up because the details are simply nightmare fuel. [The murder of Junko Furuta comes to mind](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Junko_Furuta). (Warning: the crime is basically nightmare fuel). She a high school student who was >!abducted by other students, and held prisoner for 40 days while she was raped, beaten and tortured. They invited other kids and men over, so she was raped by over 100 men more than 500 times. The only reason the rape stopped was she was giving off a rotting smell.!<
For crimes of that magnitude, I would say that a trial and execution is reasonable.
Short of that, The death penalty is basically appropriate where the punishment for doing the crime 50 times would be otherwise indistinguishable from doing it once. If a crime is worth punishing someone by locking them up with no parole for 100 years, then what the hell is the deterrent to doing it more than once?
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Interestingly I was just listening to a podcast discussing the electric chair. One of the executors who killed over 300 prisoners with the electric chair ended up being against the death penalty because he did not, in fact, believe that it was a deterrent to committing those sorts of crimes. Think about it- people typically kill either in a moment of total enraged passion, without any thought behind it. Or they are so deranged, and the temptation to kill is so strong, that they will do it no matter what punishment is possible. Alternatively, they are martyrs willing to die for their cause (e.g. many terrorists). In any of those cases, I don’t see capital punishment as a deterrent. Instead, I worry more about innocent people being falsely accused and killed - which has happened at a shocking frequency.
Note the title, this was the last person *publicly* guillotined, in France it remained the primary method of Capital Punishment into modern times, it was just performed inside prisons and outside of public view. The last person to be executed in France by this means was Hamida Djandoubi, who was guillotined on 10 September 1977.
all old-timey films run either too slow or too fast probably because the camera was hand cranked, don't you people just assume that, rather than the blade is moving slowly?
Also film used to be at 16-18 frames instead of 24/30 today. So this might actually run at half speed. Just really hard to tell with all the noise going on
that’s almost definitely a myth, the best place to aim for a quick kill is the brain stem, you shoot someone there and it’s instant death
with this it doesn’t just poke a hole through it, it cuts it in *twain*
Unfortunately its closer to 30 secs.. basically they picked up their head and kept trying to talk to them to see if they responded..
after about 30 seconds they stopped.
Edit: A response is basically facial movement recognizing someone is talking.. whether its looking at them.. or trying to talk
One year we harvested some chickens. Every time I would chop a head the chicken’s body would run away. I was not doing it on purpose. It was so crazy creepy.
It's part of the reflex response.
Just like when you touch something hot and pull away quickly. That signal didn't go to your brain. It went to a bundle of nerves near the spine which then reacted for you, without thinking about it.
Your muscles have a bundle of nerves that act as mini brain for reflexes so they don't have to go all the way to the brain. This also aids in practicing and training and doing things by force of habit. Your mini brains have learned this motion through doing it many many times.
Edit not a scientist, don't quote me
There's also the possibility that if enough of the brain stem is left in the neck of the chicken, then the chicken could go on living for a while since automatic functions like breathing and heart beating is controlled from there. Just make sure the air hole doesn't scab over.
I call bullshit on 30 seconds, there's no way. Looks like that number comes from one random French dude in 1905.
4-6 seconds seems to be more widely accepted. Much more plausible.
Mythbusters really missed an opportunity on this one.
Yes you are, there was this fucking crazy French doctor guy, who arranged post mortem comms with a criminal about to be lobbed, he asked him a series of questions were blinking the eyes were affirmative and fuck me the session lasted like 4mins, I was shocked when I read this, it was in a book "who eats wasps" new scientist check it out
“Here, then, is what I was able to note immediately after the decapitation: the eyelids and lips of the guillotined man worked in irregularly rhythmic contractions for about five or six seconds. This phenomenon has been remarked by all those finding themselves in the same conditions as myself for observing what happens after the severing of the neck ...
I waited for several seconds. The spasmodic movements ceased. [...] It was then that I called in a strong, sharp voice: "Languille!" I saw the eyelids slowly lift up, without any spasmodic contractions – I insist advisedly on this peculiarity – but with an even movement, quite distinct and normal, such as happens in everyday life, with people awakened or torn from their thoughts.
Next Languille's eyes very definitely fixed themselves on mine and the pupils focused themselves. I was not, then, dealing with the sort of vague dull look without any expression, that can be observed any day in dying people to whom one speaks: I was dealing with undeniably living eyes which were looking at me. After several seconds, the eyelids closed again [...].
It was at that point that I called out again and, once more, without any spasm, slowly, the eyelids lifted and undeniably living eyes fixed themselves on mine with perhaps even more penetration than the first time. Then there was a further closing of the eyelids, but now less complete. I attempted the effect of a third call; there was no further movement – and the eyes took on the glazed look which they have in the dead.”
Dr. Beaurieux, 1905
This sounds more like basic reflexive responses. There is no way this severed head was conscious and/or actually responding to commands in any way. If someone is strangling you and cutting off blood to your brain, you will pass out in a matter of seconds. A decapitation would be infinitely more traumatic.
Every time I read this I think of getting woozy from sitting for a long time and standing up too fast. If that minor amount of blood pressure change in the head can do that, how much more happens when you literally lose all of it?
Spent my life not caring if I lived or died. Finally met a great lady, now I don’t ever want to leave her. Finally I care about living and I am scared of death. You write this😫now I’m terrified.
During the Bastille Day executions, a French doctor, who was sentenced to beheading, proclaimed he could rise and run after his execution. Apparently he did exactly that for a dozen or so steps. There are other accounts of beheaded heads expressing recognizable facial movements for a bit afterwards. I read one first-hand account of a man who was in a car accident with a friend beheaded in the accident. His friend's head was laying on the floorboard next to him and they exchanged looks of recognition. He said his friend initially looked surprised and shocked, looked around, saw his beheaded body, and said he saw a look of sadness and anguish after he viewing his own corpse.
Now, I can't vouch for the validity of that but logic would dictate there are at least a few seconds of consciousness left after one is beheaded. Maybe at least until the brain runs out of oxygen.
Its a technique to get you to believe aburd information. You tell two stories next to each other and though both ridiculous the less ridiculous one becomes believable
I'll certainly believe that the head can possibly comprehend something for a few seconds after decapitation, but I'd bet my house against a pizza that this "french doctor' didn't stand up after being decapitated and walk around. Never.
Perhaps it should be explained that this is the last **public** execution but not the last one...
In 1981, France passed a law to abolish the death penalty through the Minister of Justice, Robert Badinter, supported by President François Mitterrand. Prior to this moment in history, France had carried out six executions in the 1970s. **The last one was in 1977**, when **Hamida Djandoubi** was guillotined after being convicted of murder, rape, assault and battery.
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I know it's old footage but these guys seem in a rush.
It was the last one…of 500 that day. And it was friday
Haha, this reminds me of the scene from Blazing Saddles. “I couldn’t possibly sneak him in until Monday, sir. I’m booked solid.”
Ah yes. The doctor Gillespie killings
yes! and seeing boris return in Robin Hood was the fuckin best. “what are you abt a thixteen? thixteen and a half?” “it’s a bit tight.” “well thath the idea!”
One of the most funniest films I have ever seen, imagine trying to release that today!
You spare the women? No we rape the shit out of them at the #6 dance later on Try getting that joke past the powers that be today😂
That and the “Where the white wimmen at” Or the KKK scene😂😂
'Scuse me while I whip this out. The sheriff is near?!!
You joke, but there is a video floating around of a rapid fire guillotining in south east Asia where the machine flips the body in to a coffin and then the next guy is pushed down, beheaded, flipped in a box, repeat. It's really fast and robotic, like an assembly line of execution. They really did seem like they had a deadline to meet.
Wait, what? Who is guillotining who? How recent is the video?
I was trying to find a link to it after I posted that, but having no luck. I once found a website with links to several videos of known guillotine executions, including the one above. The one I am thinking of was in Vietnam or some other French colonial area and they were executing a bunch of people at once, I think maybe a group of rebels. It was black and white, not sure of the year. I'll try looking for it again. Edit: Still no luck. Not suprisingly, real videos of people being executed aren't easy to find. I can only swear I did see it. It disturbed me how methodically they tore through the prisoners. In movies and TV shows it's always drawn out and dramatic, but the people in that video had no time for speeches or tense, slow lifting of the blade. Sorry, I hate to be that guy who can't provide proof.
Isn’t there a website of videos of executions and murders? I remember going on this website gore.com in 2014 and watched a mass beheading done in the Middle East. It might be gore.net . Hopefully it’ll help you locate it
They’re probably desperate for the day to be over.
I know you were just joking but I got curious to see what day of the week it was and that day landed on a Saturday. Kinda makes more sense why they were in a rush, it was their day off.
“If i dont clock out before 40 hours the boss will kill me”
Film was expensive
I'm waiting for the HD remaster
Director's Cut.
Deluxe Edition
Sniders cut
With shocking alternate ending
And everything is like dark and black, oh and also just a dream
Always had been
Did they like throw/slide him onto the machine? Did he dive himself up there?
They would strap the condemned to a board and then slide the board into place. There is someone waiting to immediately push the body off the board into a box/basket/to-go container.
To go container…lol. Like some leftover fettuccini or something.
Loads of tomato sauce!
it definitely looked like he dove in there lol
Well I don't know about you, but if I were about to be getting my head chopped off, I'd be fighting. They'd have to go fast to catch me in the right spot.
with a name like that they are bound to catch you eventually, u/PepeLeFucked.
He would have been drugged
I am now, game on.
It’s 1939. I doubt anyone cared about being ethical enough to drug someone to reduce their pain. They just wanna get the job done and collect their pay check lmao. Drugging won’t help anyone so why do it?
They did drug many people before execution, this was a common practice in execution since the 1700's, some people took it upon themselves, some paid the executioner, some had family's and loved ones purchase drugs for them. It has never been uncommon for people to be drugged before being led to the executioner. It made for a smoother process, dragging a prisoner who is out of it is easier than a prisoner who would struggle and put up a fight. The benefit for the prisoner would be the fact that they were so out of it they were not aware of what was happening. I know which method I would prefer if it were me.
“Mercy. Say Mercy! Does the prisoner wish to say a word?” “Freeeeedommmm” Sorry, this reminded me of the brave heart scene where the princess offers him some drugs and he says no cause it will dull his wits.
I think he meant they would have drugged him to reduce the risk of him struggling and escaping
This story gets even crazier when you find out that - A 17 year old Christopher Lee (yes, the actor) was in the crowd of people who witnessed Eugène’s execution. - It wasn’t until 38 years later that France used the guillotine for the final time.
Wait - As in Sir Christopher Lee? Saruman and Count Dooku?
That's the one. Rumors are that he is eternal. There can only be one
I mean.. he died in 2015
Exactly. "I mean". "Died". "2015". These words have no power here.
so you’re saying… “he” has power?
#IMMORTAL!
He has the blood of kings! (Charlemagne, to be exact)
So do most Europeans.
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He did not. Just saw him recently as he floated down the street.
u should consider yourself lucky you were not immediately blinded or sent into madness.
He most definitely would have been had he made eye contact
Well he was known for being a vampire...
Fun fact, Christopher Lee was the only LOTR cast member to have actually met Tolkien. He was also friends with Ian Fleming (creator of James Bond) and was in real life British intelligence. While filming the scene where Saruman gets stabbed, he told Peter Jackson exactly the sound someone makes when they’re stabbed in the lungs and how his directing notes got it wrong. He was also in a heavy metal band. And in the original Wicker Man, one of the best horror movies ever made and the founder of the whole genre of ‘daytime horror’. Truly one of the most complete and well-rounded humans who has ever lived IMO.
He used to hunt nazis
He was the inspiration for James Bond iirc
I feel like this is the new “did you know steve buscemi was a firefighter and volunteered on 9/11”
As in Saruman, Count Dooku and real life secret agent that was close friends with the real life James Bond
Not close friends with real life James bond, but the real life James bond, he was the inspiration
Same one who was in the original version of the British secret service.
it wasn't the last body part for him chopping.
Wait, wait! Afterwards, the head was used as a soccer ball in a soccer match. Home team won, 2 - 1. Winning goal was a head shot.
And then the crowd sang "I ain't got no body"
Christopher Lee had one hell of a life
You could see a beheading and a Star Wars in the same year! Not so special if you were a teen in the 00’s.
Oof.. Begrudging upvote.Take it.
Was the last use of the guillotine public though?
No, it was Inside of a prison.
Even Germany executed Nazi war criminals via guillotine until 1969 if I remember correctly
I think they hanged them. In fact, please check out [Pierrepoint, the last hangman](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0462477/). Very good movie with Tim Spall. So much science goes into hanging someone to do it properly, and yes, humanely.
why did you say last time in title then final time in the comment? lol i’m so confused
The 1939 one was the last *public* guillotine execution, while the 1977 one was the final guillotine execution.
oh ok that makes sense. crazy to think that it was last used the same year star wars came out (stolen from vsauce).
I never thought about the body. Interesting roll. I guess I always assumed it just stayed put.
There is a mechanism in the table for the body to be tipped off and into a casket for quick and clean disposal, a neat feature of some guillotines
"neat"
“What is it with you and guillotines?” “I just think they’re neat!”
I was going to say the exact same thing - usually in media/movies we see a guillotine used from the front (seeing the head fall off n' such)
This was a different type of guillotine. Modern ones would just cut their whole body off, leaving just the head.
ah yes, the old ones only cut off the head from the body
its funny that a machine designed specifically to kill people quickly reliably and as painlessly as possible is today considered barbaric.
I’ve read that sometimes it could come down slighly askew (I hope it is the right word, English isnt my native language), and could become lodged in the jaw, or similar, and they would have to press it down manually, because they couldnt get it free.
True but comparing old-timey guilotines to the hypothetical 2022 Death Blades 2.0^TM is absurd
Fucking Laser Guillotine!
Guillotine with shark heads with lasers.
I read this in a Trevor Moore excited kid voice
may Trevor RIP
He was a fuckin legend. Rip
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Dude, right?!?!
So provocative
So alluring
Haha I can picture the next machinist YouTube Collab: "Who can build the best Guillotine" bearings and motors and smart switches everywhere.
"Alexa, release the guillotine"
“Ok, playing ‘you belong with me’ by Taylor swift”
"You came down like a guillotine!" - Miley Cyrus.
Screw all that. Linear bearings, springs, and a quick release.
But does it have Bluetooth? And does it charge with USB-C or is barbaric?
Ya but you know someone is going to come up with one that doubles as a washing machine or brews you a cup of tea or some crazy shit
I just want them to put a e.e.g. on the first person they use it on. That way we can settle once and for all how long until brain death occurs after decapitation.
Look at that, already innovating. The rich won't know what hit em
Or will they???
Are you talking about what I think your talking about? LEDs babyyyy
Gillette, the best a man can get
Pneumatically powered
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Your use of the word askew was perfect in this context. A native English speaker probably wouldn’t have done any better.
Thanks!
I mean that’d be an easy fix in 2022 lol it’s not gonna be made of wood that warps etc. It’d be made of steel probably
Stainless steel so it easy to clean
Damn. I’d still take my chances on that rather than some dude with an axe. Pretty sure you’d be lucky for them to get it done in one swing.
Looks like an easy fix nowadays. And still sounds better than being electrocuted, or given a bunch of drugs that may or may not work right. In fact, I'd say some of the most humane executions come from horrible countries like North Korea. Nothing is quicker and less painful that being executed by artillery cannon to the head.
Your English is better than mine and it’s my native language hahahaha
Askew is correct :)
Well that’s why they need to sign up for the extended warranty on their guillotine
Your English is perfect
I’ll tell you what, death by guillotine isn’t even close to the top or the “ways I don’t want to die” list. Lights out almost instantaneously sounds pretty good all things considered. I think i remember reading that at most you’d have ~15 seconds of semi consciousness before your brain goes black.
The biography of hunter s Thompson (Gonzo) has a chapter written by the doc who did his autopsy. HST died by suicide. He put a pistol in his mouth. The doc said something like;”hunter hit the bullseye. Bullet went right through the brain stem, killing him instantly.”
15 seconds of life, but the blade is super heavy, it has a weight on it, and it rocks the guy unconscious straight away. Then 15 seconds of blood loss, and actual death - for the head part.
Count out 15 seconds and in this context it sounds like an eternity
I’ve watched several family members die in hospice. I’d pick guillotine every time
It’s considered barbaric because you can actually see the damage it causes (head being chopped off). While with electric chairs and hangings you don’t see any of the damage it causes because all the damage is internal (collapsed lungs or fried heart). It’s cognitive dissonance at work. Electric chairs and hangings make people feel less guilty because it looks more “peaceful” despite being more painful
Electrocution is absolutely visually traumatizing, there's nothing peaceful about it. They don't put the hood over their heads to protect the condemned's identity or even to mask the anguished look on their face, they put a hood over their heads in case their eyes explode, and to hide all the blood that will be coming from the eyes, nose and ears from spectators. Electrocution is a terrible way to die.
Well, guillotine is more humane for the victim, less for spectators. Other methods are the opposite. It makes some sense making spectators wellness a priority compared to the victim, considering he's guilty and such. Of course, both things could be achieved if executions weren't a public show. Just execute privately without spectators, and use a humane method without showing gory details. Or just stop executing people, that would be the best choice.
Well some studies have revealed that death by beheading is extremely painful. In the laboratories around the world where they use rats for experiments and tests, researchers thought it was the most humane and painless way to kill the rats after they experimented on them, but they found out there is still brain activity and they still mantain consciousness for several seconds after the beheading, but mainly there is one part of the brain that showed heavy activity more than anything else and it was the part that processes pain.
Today they are just called "guns" and ya I think those are considered barbaric too. It might be the killing part that is the problem.... And maybe the system passing judgement and handing out the death penalty on innocent people.. if that is a non-zero number.... it's too often.
Because it frequently didn't cut through the neck completely. Not guaranteed to be painless. Though IMO all capital punishment is barbaric - it's not justice, it's bloodthirsty revenge.
And the head stays alive for a few seconds once it is on the ground.
Although the sudden and dramatic loss of blood pressure should cause the victim to pass out near-instantly
I am not generally in favor of capital punishment. However, I can understand the arguments in favour: There are some crimes that simply cannot be forgiven; Generally think any crime where just reading about it leaves you feeling fucked up because the details are simply nightmare fuel. [The murder of Junko Furuta comes to mind](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Junko_Furuta). (Warning: the crime is basically nightmare fuel). She a high school student who was >!abducted by other students, and held prisoner for 40 days while she was raped, beaten and tortured. They invited other kids and men over, so she was raped by over 100 men more than 500 times. The only reason the rape stopped was she was giving off a rotting smell.!< For crimes of that magnitude, I would say that a trial and execution is reasonable. Short of that, The death penalty is basically appropriate where the punishment for doing the crime 50 times would be otherwise indistinguishable from doing it once. If a crime is worth punishing someone by locking them up with no parole for 100 years, then what the hell is the deterrent to doing it more than once? END COMMUNICATION
Interestingly I was just listening to a podcast discussing the electric chair. One of the executors who killed over 300 prisoners with the electric chair ended up being against the death penalty because he did not, in fact, believe that it was a deterrent to committing those sorts of crimes. Think about it- people typically kill either in a moment of total enraged passion, without any thought behind it. Or they are so deranged, and the temptation to kill is so strong, that they will do it no matter what punishment is possible. Alternatively, they are martyrs willing to die for their cause (e.g. many terrorists). In any of those cases, I don’t see capital punishment as a deterrent. Instead, I worry more about innocent people being falsely accused and killed - which has happened at a shocking frequency.
There is actually very little evidence that any kind of punishment is a deterrent. It’s mostly just societal revenge.
Note the title, this was the last person *publicly* guillotined, in France it remained the primary method of Capital Punishment into modern times, it was just performed inside prisons and outside of public view. The last person to be executed in France by this means was Hamida Djandoubi, who was guillotined on 10 September 1977.
Et c’était à *Marseille bébé*
Didn’t he play forward for CSKA Moscow?
The blade moves slower than I imagined
Gravity was slower back then
It was steam-powered, not wireless like it is today.
It must be weighted and very sharp
if only newton invented it faster
Watch the blade bounce back up afterwards. That’s an indication that it was moving fast.
It's in semi slo mo. Look at the guy in back moving.
The frame rates of old cameras were all over the place so lots of things from that era are significantly sped up or slowed down
all old-timey films run either too slow or too fast probably because the camera was hand cranked, don't you people just assume that, rather than the blade is moving slowly?
Also film used to be at 16-18 frames instead of 24/30 today. So this might actually run at half speed. Just really hard to tell with all the noise going on
I would take that over electrocution or lethal injection, what say you?
Idk, you don't die instantly. Your brain survives at least for a bit before oxygen deprivation kills you.
Yeah but did you see green mile???
"the sponge is dry!"
Still better than lethal injection where if the tranquilizer doesn’t work you’ll feel like your veins are literally on fire
So, smoke DMT right before you get your head lopped off? Got it!
that’s almost definitely a myth, the best place to aim for a quick kill is the brain stem, you shoot someone there and it’s instant death with this it doesn’t just poke a hole through it, it cuts it in *twain*
A vial of carfentanil is way better
Trippy thing is you’re still alive a little bit 😬
Don’t they speculate you can see for 4 seconds after the blade cuts your head off?
Unfortunately its closer to 30 secs.. basically they picked up their head and kept trying to talk to them to see if they responded.. after about 30 seconds they stopped. Edit: A response is basically facial movement recognizing someone is talking.. whether its looking at them.. or trying to talk
One year we harvested some chickens. Every time I would chop a head the chicken’s body would run away. I was not doing it on purpose. It was so crazy creepy.
Isn't it supposed to be the other way? It would make sense if the head moved but how does the body move without the brain?
It's part of the reflex response. Just like when you touch something hot and pull away quickly. That signal didn't go to your brain. It went to a bundle of nerves near the spine which then reacted for you, without thinking about it.
Your muscles have a bundle of nerves that act as mini brain for reflexes so they don't have to go all the way to the brain. This also aids in practicing and training and doing things by force of habit. Your mini brains have learned this motion through doing it many many times. Edit not a scientist, don't quote me
Is that where muscle memory comes from?
There's also the possibility that if enough of the brain stem is left in the neck of the chicken, then the chicken could go on living for a while since automatic functions like breathing and heart beating is controlled from there. Just make sure the air hole doesn't scab over.
Look up mike the chicken. Its wild
I call bullshit on 30 seconds, there's no way. Looks like that number comes from one random French dude in 1905. 4-6 seconds seems to be more widely accepted. Much more plausible. Mythbusters really missed an opportunity on this one.
100% bullshit Blood pressure is vital
Yes you are, there was this fucking crazy French doctor guy, who arranged post mortem comms with a criminal about to be lobbed, he asked him a series of questions were blinking the eyes were affirmative and fuck me the session lasted like 4mins, I was shocked when I read this, it was in a book "who eats wasps" new scientist check it out
I don’t believe this is true at all. With that level of rapid blood loss, you would lose consciousness almost instantly.
“Here, then, is what I was able to note immediately after the decapitation: the eyelids and lips of the guillotined man worked in irregularly rhythmic contractions for about five or six seconds. This phenomenon has been remarked by all those finding themselves in the same conditions as myself for observing what happens after the severing of the neck ... I waited for several seconds. The spasmodic movements ceased. [...] It was then that I called in a strong, sharp voice: "Languille!" I saw the eyelids slowly lift up, without any spasmodic contractions – I insist advisedly on this peculiarity – but with an even movement, quite distinct and normal, such as happens in everyday life, with people awakened or torn from their thoughts. Next Languille's eyes very definitely fixed themselves on mine and the pupils focused themselves. I was not, then, dealing with the sort of vague dull look without any expression, that can be observed any day in dying people to whom one speaks: I was dealing with undeniably living eyes which were looking at me. After several seconds, the eyelids closed again [...]. It was at that point that I called out again and, once more, without any spasm, slowly, the eyelids lifted and undeniably living eyes fixed themselves on mine with perhaps even more penetration than the first time. Then there was a further closing of the eyelids, but now less complete. I attempted the effect of a third call; there was no further movement – and the eyes took on the glazed look which they have in the dead.” Dr. Beaurieux, 1905
Jesus
This sounds more like basic reflexive responses. There is no way this severed head was conscious and/or actually responding to commands in any way. If someone is strangling you and cutting off blood to your brain, you will pass out in a matter of seconds. A decapitation would be infinitely more traumatic.
Every time I read this I think of getting woozy from sitting for a long time and standing up too fast. If that minor amount of blood pressure change in the head can do that, how much more happens when you literally lose all of it?
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Christopher Lee witnessed this.
A 17 year old Christopher Lee was in attendance for this
Tbh doesn't look too bad for that time, i mean in USA they used electricity which seems much more unhuman
Literally ten minutes ago I heard about this in a Weird History video.
At least its a quick death
During the Bastille Day executions, a French doctor, who was sentenced to beheading, proclaimed he could rise and run after his execution. Apparently he did exactly that for a dozen or so steps. There are other accounts of beheaded heads expressing recognizable facial movements for a bit afterwards. I read one first-hand account of a man who was in a car accident with a friend beheaded in the accident. His friend's head was laying on the floorboard next to him and they exchanged looks of recognition. He said his friend initially looked surprised and shocked, looked around, saw his beheaded body, and said he saw a look of sadness and anguish after he viewing his own corpse. Now, I can't vouch for the validity of that but logic would dictate there are at least a few seconds of consciousness left after one is beheaded. Maybe at least until the brain runs out of oxygen.
I doubt the french doc story
because it's obviously bullshit
Its a technique to get you to believe aburd information. You tell two stories next to each other and though both ridiculous the less ridiculous one becomes believable
I'll certainly believe that the head can possibly comprehend something for a few seconds after decapitation, but I'd bet my house against a pizza that this "french doctor' didn't stand up after being decapitated and walk around. Never.
Maybe, I sure as heck would not want to be the one to prove it either way!
According to this, 4 or 5 seconds: https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-8010,00.html
The file is grainy, but it looks like they cut off his neck at the shoulders?
Perhaps it should be explained that this is the last **public** execution but not the last one... In 1981, France passed a law to abolish the death penalty through the Minister of Justice, Robert Badinter, supported by President François Mitterrand. Prior to this moment in history, France had carried out six executions in the 1970s. **The last one was in 1977**, when **Hamida Djandoubi** was guillotined after being convicted of murder, rape, assault and battery.
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This still seems a hell of a lot more humane than lethal injection
Was he okay after?
'tis but a flesh wound ...
We should still do that rapist
That's terrible footage even for 1939.
I think it’s decent for a 1939 camcorder, but whatever
Last one in France was after Star Wars was released! https://www.wired.com/2007/09/dayintech-0910-2/
They need to bring this back for the child abusers.
Damn that guillotine came down a lot slower than I thought....
I'm a bit upset there wasn't a better angle
Should bring ‘em back for the American oligarchs.
Wasn't Christopher Lee there for this?
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