Take this with a grain of salt bc I haven’t landed anything yet, but I got more interviews when I focused on applying to very recent job postings instead of primarily by relevance.
I've been hearing this a lot. It would make sense though. A recruiter might wait until a post gets say 50 applications, then stop checking and forget to take down the listing. I found the same thing was always true when hunting for a flat to rent. If I applied on the day, I'd always get a viewing
the recruiter doesn't really wait. the system pulls the first batch of matching candidates and then they pick like 15 they like to screen. of that maybe 5-6 get an interview and like 1 gets a job.
This is bad advice. For LinkedIn at least, it counts an application when someone just presses the apply button not actually applies. So even ones with 100+ shown there could just be 10 actual applicants in total. I do agree with the parent comment however to apply to recent job postings because the timestamp is real
It's not bad advice even based on your above statement it means no one has looked at it yet.
Either way applying for less then 10 clicks/applicants should be the priority to apply to as those should be a small fraction
* Tailor your resume to ensure the HM can see how you meet the requirements--sometimes you have to connect the dots for them.
* Apply on the company website, if possible.
* Do your best to apply within 24 hours.
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Well, first off people should only apply to jobs that they are remotely qualified for so they have a genuine shot at excelling, so hopefully it's not a terrible mismatch. But our models will do their best to take your current skills and experience - even if the details are very lean - and highlight them to show how they'll be valuable in the next role. We have prompts in place to not fabricate details, but we also show you the new output you and allow anything to be edited that you don't like or don't agree with.
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This. I found that 48 hours was the cutoff, and the first 24 hours is most important in a hot job market. no one will admit it but the reality is their system is going to pull like the first 30-40 matches, the recruiter will pull 15 to call, 5 get an interview and 1 gets a job.
For sure. It’s my number one question when I have a personal chat to a recruiter. Many have told me they only look at the first 50, one even said the first 20. The issue for the job hunter then is having to be constantly looking at postings to make sure you’re in that first batch of applicants
Exactly! This is very accurate.
I found this site that pulls jobs from over 50+ jobs boards into a single list.
Just make sure you filter to last 24 hours.
To get around fake job postings, instead of using the jobs section, I search posts of people hiring for the job title and location. For instance in the search bar, (with the quotes and the ANDs):
"I'm Hiring" AND "Product Manager" AND "Kansas City"
Also let's me see quickly if anyone in my network has posted for gigs.
Great tip for onsite/hybrid! This gets tricky for remote work because there’s no filter for posters in your own country. I’m in tech and I see way too many jobs posted that are in other countries (India) when I try doing this.
Look at your connections on LinkedIn. Then look at THEIR connections.
From that secondary list, see what positions are open, and select a few you’d like to apply to.
Then ask your friend if they might be willing to make an introduction for you. Almost everyone will say yes.
I don’t know that there’s a ton of “hacks” out there, other than just learning how to be more savvy about searching online.
On top of that, social media is just being absolutely flooded with advice lately because of the job market, and I often find that advice from one “expert” conflicts with that of another, so it’s so hard to know which rules to follow.
From my own personal experience over the last six months, I think the best advice I can give is to be highly targeted in what you apply for. This may vary based on your line of work, but with the way the market is now, you need to fit all of the requirements, both the “required” and “preferred” if you want a shot at an interview and ultimately an offer. It’s just so highly competitive out there, that if you’re not a perfect fit, there’s definitely someone who is in the applicant pool.
To your 2nd point - that’s because different companies, teams, and hiring managers have different policies, philosophies, and preferences. Therefore it’s all highly subjective to the individual(s) who are making the hiring decisions.
To your last point, you are absolutely right.
I’m a talent acquisition professional.
Focus on quality versus quantity in applications. Don’t do LI easy apply. Leverage your network and LI messaging to get human eyeballs on your application for jobs where you are a great fit.
Edited to add: I’m sharing what I have actually done to begin to get interviews. I'm applying for fewer jobs and getting more interviews. I'm also tailoring my resume to include key words from each job description.
> Focus on quality versus quantity in applications.
Really?
People send 500 applications and not even _get a rejection_ these days.
I honestly feel like people saying "quality vs quantity" haven't applied anywhere recently; it's clearly a numbers game when you can spend an hour or two on tailoring a CV and they might not even view it let alone send you an automated rejection a month later.
Have a CV that covers a lot or a few versions that you can choose from and just preload for a particular type of role, but spending hours on tweaking a CV or even more than a minute or two is fool's game these days IMO. You're far more likely to get a response if you send 1,000 CVs than when you send 50 super-tailored ones.
That was my experience. I got more interviews when I applied soon after the job was posted. I edited my resume and cover letter a little for each position but I didn’t spend more than an hour on those before posting
And what exactly are your results from your approach? Your approach may work for entry level jobs, but not for experienced mid-career or mgmt/leadership positions.
I’m speaking from my personal experience. You can call me a fool but I’m sharing what I changed and now I’m getting interviews. I’ve interviewed with three companies this month already.
I’ve been looking for a job since last October. I went months without a single interview before I changed things up. I already tried the quantity approach, sending many applicarions in quickly to new job postings and got no responses.
If what you’re doing isn’t working, you need to try something different.
I have a few versions of my resume for the type of job I’m applying for and then I tailor my resume for each application by putting the job description into chat gpt and asking it for the top 10 keywords an ATS systems would most likely use to identify top candidates and make sure those words are in my resume somewhere. I’m also only applying for jobs that are a very good match for my background and industry experience instead of related jobs that I could do if given the chance.
Of course, the best way to get an interview is through networking and having someone call attention to your application for consideration, but I've been able to get interviews recently both with and without networking.
> And what exactly are your results from your approach?
I've had several interviews - one as recently as today and landed another one to happen later this week - and I have also established contacts that I know will bring me work in the future, because I follow up personally, not just blindly apply to anything and everything.
The challenge is as much in the approach, as it is in the market (country-dependent, perhaps, just to caveat).
I'm dealing with the UK, and I speak with recruiters, dozens upon dozens of them - honestly in my past few months I got to the point where I pretty much ran out of agencies to speak with, and have spoken or emailed and heard back from most of them in the country, one way or another. Still sometimes coming across some niche/boutique one that I didn't know of, but most of them are already covered and recruiters know me fairly well. I'm now pivoting to targeting companies directly, with both an application and speculative approach. The bottom line, however, is, people on the inside are telling me that _companies **are just not hiring**_.
At least in my sector.
There's a mix of economy being kicked to the ground, but also elections happening next week now, and stakeholders just holding their cards close to their chest - as this election is meant to be the biggest and most important in a generation, due to switching the political narrative and philosophy from conservative to centrist/liberal after 14 solid years.
You can tweak all kinds of things on your end and come up with all kinds of hacks and clever strategies, but if the market is on its last knees, nobody will magic work for you out of thin air.
Then, the choice you're left with, is either to pivot to somewhere else (if you've got the capability and ability) so as to weather the storm, or just keep going until things pick up again, and wait it out somehow by living off your savings, with family etc.
That's another thing I keep hearing as a qualified and experienced candidate, time and time again: _it's not you, it's the market_.
And the market always picks up, at some point. Short of a seismic change like the Industrial Revolution, jobs haven't ever been wiped out not to ever come back. Even AI isn't at the point to cause it now, there's a fair bit of a hype around it but organisations are slowly realising it's not all it's meant/said to be, and go back to copywriters or creatives because the AI output still needs to be fleshed out, vetted, corrected and polished, it's not really giving you things that are ready to go a lot (issues with syntax, problems with rendering letters in images, people with seven fingers, and so on) - and even then, _if_ it comes in, you just have to _evolve_ and _adapt_ to stay ahead of the curve, it's not self-dependent and won't be for a while, someone needs to operate it, prompt it correctly, still.
So, yeah, the approach I have makes sense, it brings me results.
My challenge isn't not getting people get back to me (I have 50 replies to my emails today alone, and it's barely lunchtime), my challenge is that my industry has ground to a bit of a halt and everyone in it is fighting with the entire power of the Universe to try and get something by the skin of their teeth, but you can't always squeeze the blood out of a stone.
I'm in the US. Maybe you can try not to crap on others trying to provide some helpful advice from their personal
experience when you don't really have anything positive or hopeful to add yourself.
I disagree. Easy Apply is low-effort, low reply, but it's worth spending a portion of your time on LinkedIn, just make sure they time you're spending it proportionate to the likelihood of response.
Idk about any other state.. but ARIZONA has a website .
https://www.azjobconnection.gov/
Skip indeed, skip linkedin.
This government site has over 50k verified job postings.
**AND BONUS, They have people that work there that will contact these companies for you and get you interviews.
1. Apply for jobs as soon as they are posted. The earlier you apply the better
2. If the job has "Easy Apply" button you increase your chances by applying through the company website (I double down on both through website and easy apply)
3. Tailor your resume to each job. It can be as easy as having "Professional/Skills highlight" section at the very top with like 2-5 bullet points, and these bullet points should list highlights from your experiences/skills that the job is looking for. I try to make sure it's not a copy paste though.
4. Understand that recruiters are often non-technical people. If your resume lists that you're an expert in Typescript and the job is looking for Javascript dev you might assume hiring manager will understand that one leads to the other. Recruiter however will not. And he will be the first layer you need to go through. Dumb it down.
Wouldn’t applying in both places be marked as spam by them? I usually go to their site to apply if possible, but I try to never do both ways. I’ve been spooked by companies who outright say “do not double submit for roles or we will mark you in our spam and not consider you for future roles” (not exaggerating).
Yeah, I think it’s always better to just stick to one, you’re ultimately just making more work for them (and prolonging the time it takes them to get back to you with apps they’re going through). Glad it got you interviews though
> Yeah, I think it’s always better to just stick to one
I disagree
Some sources like LinkedIn or Indeed might not even get viewed
But you might be one of only 10 who actually emailed directly.
I'd say - always try and get it through via email and a direct email first, and get a confirmation. Even if only for establishing a relationship and have a starter for more emails and a further conversation (IMO key is in having those, for me every application is a networking/connection opportunity as much, if not more, than a chance to get a job alone).
Worst case scenario, if you get in touch and send over directly, they'll just send you back to the application form, on LinkedIn, their website or elsewhere.
But I've had occasions where I applied via LinkedIn and the same day or day later a Recruiter got in touch with me telling me "they have an amazing role", without ever acknowledging my LinkedIn application - which makes me think they've obviously not seen it, and are either ignoring those, or it takes time for them to go through them, and they offer roles to select candidates on their roster before they actually go through with assessing the applications submitted.
This being said, usually a website + email is enough. No point in submitting the same application via email, company website and 10 different aggregators, lol. They usually either care about the aggregators and use them, or not. If they don't use them or don't pay close attention to them, going through multiple ones is not gonna help, you're just going to confuse the recruiters and possibly add to their workload _if_ they ever actually have to go through the external submissions.
Obviously if they don't care about them, and attention paid to those coming in = 0, then 10 different submissions won't make a change, 10 x 0 = still 0.
Create a version of your resume that is just for ATS systems. Mine is 7 pages long. It includes my full address, every job I’ve had since college, the exact start and end dates, the company addresses and phone numbers, and a ton of detail about what I did at that job. Every software program used, the types of projects I worked on, roles and responsibilities, including minor details.
When I apply for a job using Workday or a similar ATS, I upload this document and watch it fill in the fields automatically. I then review the application and fine-tune it. Just before submitting, I replace the attachment with my “clean” resume - a neatly formatted 2-page document that only highlights the most relevant information. I have 5 different versions of my clean resume depending on the type of role I’m applying for, emphasizing various aspects of my experience.
The hours I spent creating these different documents have saved me countless hours during the application process.
Does your long resume version list each role that you’ve had with an individual company? Are each of these roles then entered into the ATS application? How would you handle accounting for a title change (where the role hasn’t changed materially)?
As an example, I worked at company A for 6 years, and over that time held 2 different roles. One role also had a title promotion, like manager to Associate Vice President.
I was at one company for over a decade, and I list 4 different roles from there. I don’t separate the inline promotions where I was doing the same work but had a change in title; I use the most senior version as the title for that role. I do create a separate listing when my work meaningfully changes, e.g, a new department or function.
I’m keeping to a regular (weekly, every 2 weeks) schedule of posting to LinkedIn and Facebook about something work-related and a reminder of the types of roles I’m looking for.
The majority of my interviews have happened because someone I used to work with connected me to the role.
I've been asking former co-workers now in lead or management positions if they can take a 30- to 60-second glance at my resume, what stands out, and how I can improve it. It's much better than a cold call and may lead to opportunities.
I haven't tried it yet, but someone on another sub/post suggested turning off "open to work" on your LinkedIn profile, and wait for awhile to turn it back on again to get recruiters to reach out to you.
I have an agenda where I write down all the jobs I am interested in applying for. As the deadline approaches, I look closer and decide if I am a good fit. Often, after the initial excitement of seeing a job ad, I realise that the job is not for me as they are asking for some experience/skill/degree I don't have so it's not worth applying or I am not interested in the job. I'd rather write 5 good applications that I believe in than fire off 500 to random job ads. In the end, that costs you time and effort as well.
Get an email client that lets you set up templates.
Come up with good copy that looks like it's customised so whoever's reading it doesn't feel like you're just lazily mass-mailing them, but it's really just a header with their name, and then name-dropping the company in one of the first sentences - kinda cover-letter-like.
Honestly, you might be saving, maybe 15-30s per email without having to copy-paste from Notes or something, and adding attachments.
The thing is…
If you send 1,000 emails, that's already 15,000-30,000 seconds so 250-500 **minutes** saved, so between 4-8 **hours** you've cut out you'd otherwise spend on meaningless stuff, and that's 4-8 hours you can spend on emailing more people.
Honestly once I started doing this, my email game went on another level.
Come up with a list of emails in a spreadsheet, click the email address, it will open a new email for you in your email client, load up the template automatically, add the recipients name, change XXX in the body, wherever you've placed it, to the company name, boom, you're done.
You can easily get 120+ 'customised' emails/hour that way, and I'm getting better and faster at it.
EDIT: No idea why I'm being downvoted, I've done it this past weekend, had over 100 replies and some good leads, but you guys do you, I guess 🤷♂️😬
There's some databases you can find on Scribd.com and the like, they have a free 30-day trial on there, so, as long as you create an account, link your PayPal then cancel it immediately so you don't end up getting charged, you can get it.
Mind, I can't vouch for their authenticity though; with company emails if it's a document any older than a year, I would say you might be hitting a lot of dead leads, as emails won't be active anymore due to people having moved on.
This being said, still worth trying because especially with recent leavers you often have an OOO come back to you, advising you to get in touch with other people, whose email addresses are then provided.
I generally do my own research, based on a combination of Boolean search on Google + occasional RocketReach (I have several GMail accounts, each one of them is 3 free credits a month) + LinkedIn, in general.
It generally works for me, although I have to caveat I deal with and target mostly recruitment agencies for my industry + SMEs. Not megacorps with 10,000 employees… in a single country, and the like.
It's a bit of a nightmare with corporations (I've done it a few times), because, unlike with recruiters or small/medium businesses, they often don't list employees or even HRs/Talent Managers etc. with their email addresses anywhere, and even if you manage to somehow get hold of someone's email address by digging through Google search results (or you connect with someone on LinkedIn and get at least the company email format), I'd say it's unlikely they'll refer you to the right person, they'll just bin the email. Although you _might_ get some luck if you get the email format, the Talent Manager's actual name (e.g. via LinkedIn) and then add 2 + 2 together, working it out. That's a bit of work without guaranteed results, but if there's a particular company you want to work for… What else can you do and what do you have to lose, really. Doesn't cost anything, as long as you don't invest in those corporate email aggregators and just use free plans.
But, let's say it lands in the Inbox of some low-level office worker in another country, they're probably not going to go out of their way to refer you to the HR in your territory etc. - which happened to me multiple times with my strategy, I might have hit up the wrong person or even a wrong branch of an international recruiter and they just Cc'd the right person for me whose email I couldn't find myself. But that's unlikely to happen with a massive company, because on one side people are just busy, they don't want to get involved, or they might not even know the contacts (you'd be surprised how compartmentalised corporations can be, with zero awareness or crossover between different departments, much less across continents).
I use Spark on OS X (the "old", "original" one that's free) - frankly been using it for years but only recently discovered there's an option to save and load templates, so well done me 🤦♂️
It even allows you to preload attachments already, so if you want to send your CV or portfolio you can have it _in a template_ without having to click, find it and attach it or even drag & drop each and every time.
Again, it's probably negligible saving and feature if you do it once or twice, but once you get to the level of reaching out to thousands of people, it all adds up and helps you avoid a major time suck because 20s across 1,000 emails is a lot of time.
Also, productivity doesn't seem to go down as quick and rapidly as you don't feel like you're doing a dull, monotonous work with several different stages, for hours no end, eventually giving you quite a lot of brain fog and mental fatigue (it certainly does that to me).
Click an email address on a website/in a document or copy/paste it, load the template with prepopulated Subject line and attachments already in, add somebody's name at the top, company name in the body, you're done. No fiddling around, all nice and easy.
Honestly I have no idea if it was me just being stupid or have they only introduced it recently. I'm not even checking on that, living in the hope it was the latter and I didn't just waste tens if not hundreds of aggregate hours of my time in the past year or so, by doing pointless manual work on every single email.
I have to say the whole templates thing made the emailing way more convenient, and I can go through much more outbound than I ever could, without getting tired and demotivated by tedious, repetitive work as quick as I did before.
I use software to automatically reach out to people in my industry on LinkedIn. Ordinarily, I wouldn't follow up with someone six times without getting a response, but when you automate it, you don't even think about it, so there's less shame lol. Nothing ever came of it until a few months ago when a top company hired me freelance and it more than paid for itself.
Knowing people within the desired company with influence to get you hired and exploiting the relationship. It's not an ethical hack, but hacking rarely is, and it's by far the most superior option.
Aside from that, having specialized credentials that are difficult to obtain and that are required to work in a particular sector that is currently suffering from a shortage of credentialed employees is easy mode for job searches.
1. The women in my network are far more likely to follow through on recommendations and introductions than men. Don't know why, but that has been my experience.
2. Texting with hiring managers, recruiters, and connections has garnered far more interviews than email.
i prefer finding places i might want to work and going to the careers tab on their website over looking at a huge job forum like indeed. then you don’t have to worry about fake postings, and scanning what’s available is usually much quicker before moving on. works best if you want to work in-person, so it’s been failing me on my remote search but has been great in the past
Don’t do easy apply on the apps. Focus on applying directly on company websites. Make sure you change your resume to the job you are applying for… dummy it down if needed. Do follow up calls. I did this after months of searching and landed a new job. If you are older only show the last 10-15 years of work and don’t include your address or dates of graduation.
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Tailor your resume to the job posting obviously within reason. But having multiple versions of your resume that match certain key words and terms in the job description helps a lot
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Build a cover letter. It's not often read by real people, but it can give you an edge in how relevant the computer (Application Tracking System or ATS, e.g. Workday and Taleo) thinks your application is to the job. It doesn't have to be unique to every position, but it should reflect the keywords that are common in the types of jobs you're applying for. Something churned out of ChatGPT with a once-over for clarity and natural language is fine.
Take this with a grain of salt bc I haven’t landed anything yet, but I got more interviews when I focused on applying to very recent job postings instead of primarily by relevance.
I've been hearing this a lot. It would make sense though. A recruiter might wait until a post gets say 50 applications, then stop checking and forget to take down the listing. I found the same thing was always true when hunting for a flat to rent. If I applied on the day, I'd always get a viewing
the recruiter doesn't really wait. the system pulls the first batch of matching candidates and then they pick like 15 they like to screen. of that maybe 5-6 get an interview and like 1 gets a job.
Think about Google search results. You don’t find what you need on page 27. It’s more likely on page one.
And in LinkedIn filter on posts with less then 10 applications it's in the filter way down
Unfortunately I can never find any job posts that meet my criteria and have received less than 10 applicants
This is bad advice. For LinkedIn at least, it counts an application when someone just presses the apply button not actually applies. So even ones with 100+ shown there could just be 10 actual applicants in total. I do agree with the parent comment however to apply to recent job postings because the timestamp is real
It's not bad advice even based on your above statement it means no one has looked at it yet. Either way applying for less then 10 clicks/applicants should be the priority to apply to as those should be a small fraction
Yep yep. Went on LinkedIn and started doing this. Got replies at times that same week. Applying for posting up longer than a week never helps
* Tailor your resume to ensure the HM can see how you meet the requirements--sometimes you have to connect the dots for them. * Apply on the company website, if possible. * Do your best to apply within 24 hours.
Completely agree on these key points. I built a web application to tailor a user's resume to match the job to which they want to apply and it's wrapped in a UX so simple that you can do it on a mobile phone. It takes 2 minutes end-to-end, and you also get a personalized cover letter to match the opportunity that tells a compelling narrative about your fit for the role. Both are available in a downloadable, ATS-friendly format. If anyone needs help optimizing their resume, try this out and let me know what you think. It's completely free while we are in beta. Simply 1) upload your current resume 2) copy and paste the details from a job posting that you really like 3) and we'll tailor your resume and write a personalized cover letter that matches. Try it here and let me know what you think: [https://www.myjobflow.com/](https://www.myjobflow.com/)
What does the app do if your resume doesn't match the job posting in any way?
Well, first off people should only apply to jobs that they are remotely qualified for so they have a genuine shot at excelling, so hopefully it's not a terrible mismatch. But our models will do their best to take your current skills and experience - even if the details are very lean - and highlight them to show how they'll be valuable in the next role. We have prompts in place to not fabricate details, but we also show you the new output you and allow anything to be edited that you don't like or don't agree with.
Agreed with your first point. I was just curious. Very interesting!
No worries at all, it's a great question! We'll have to continue monitoring this as well.
This looks amazing. I’ll be using this at the end of the summer when I start my search. I wonder how this can be integrated into simplify.jobs
Thank you, let us know what you think! Oh nice, I'll check out Simplify to see what we can do. I appreciate it!
Simplify has changed everything for me, since every app requires you to fill in everything manually. Feel free to DM as I plan to use your app extensively!
Love it! Why take all that time doing the ‘paperwork’ if it can be done for you? Sounds like a great complement to what we do, all the resume optimization and tailoring with just 2 user steps. I’ll DM, thanks!
Ya its been a monster help
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I've just checked this out for one job post and it's brilliant, I'm definitely gonna use it for more. Thanks so much for this!
That’s great to hear, thanks for sharing! I’m glad you found it valuable! Let me know anything else we can do to make your job search more successful.
This. I found that 48 hours was the cutoff, and the first 24 hours is most important in a hot job market. no one will admit it but the reality is their system is going to pull like the first 30-40 matches, the recruiter will pull 15 to call, 5 get an interview and 1 gets a job.
You are helping to fill a requirement for hiring managers to interview a set amount of people before making a decision.
For sure. It’s my number one question when I have a personal chat to a recruiter. Many have told me they only look at the first 50, one even said the first 20. The issue for the job hunter then is having to be constantly looking at postings to make sure you’re in that first batch of applicants
Speed to job lead trumps all my friend :)
Exactly! This is very accurate. I found this site that pulls jobs from over 50+ jobs boards into a single list. Just make sure you filter to last 24 hours.
That's great advice, thanks 🙏🏻
There’s an app for that :) https://first2apply.com/
To get around fake job postings, instead of using the jobs section, I search posts of people hiring for the job title and location. For instance in the search bar, (with the quotes and the ANDs): "I'm Hiring" AND "Product Manager" AND "Kansas City" Also let's me see quickly if anyone in my network has posted for gigs.
This is a new one for me! Very cool
You mean just searching in the home tab right?
Great tip for onsite/hybrid! This gets tricky for remote work because there’s no filter for posters in your own country. I’m in tech and I see way too many jobs posted that are in other countries (India) when I try doing this.
Look at your connections on LinkedIn. Then look at THEIR connections. From that secondary list, see what positions are open, and select a few you’d like to apply to. Then ask your friend if they might be willing to make an introduction for you. Almost everyone will say yes.
I don’t know that there’s a ton of “hacks” out there, other than just learning how to be more savvy about searching online. On top of that, social media is just being absolutely flooded with advice lately because of the job market, and I often find that advice from one “expert” conflicts with that of another, so it’s so hard to know which rules to follow. From my own personal experience over the last six months, I think the best advice I can give is to be highly targeted in what you apply for. This may vary based on your line of work, but with the way the market is now, you need to fit all of the requirements, both the “required” and “preferred” if you want a shot at an interview and ultimately an offer. It’s just so highly competitive out there, that if you’re not a perfect fit, there’s definitely someone who is in the applicant pool.
To your 2nd point - that’s because different companies, teams, and hiring managers have different policies, philosophies, and preferences. Therefore it’s all highly subjective to the individual(s) who are making the hiring decisions. To your last point, you are absolutely right. I’m a talent acquisition professional.
Focus on quality versus quantity in applications. Don’t do LI easy apply. Leverage your network and LI messaging to get human eyeballs on your application for jobs where you are a great fit. Edited to add: I’m sharing what I have actually done to begin to get interviews. I'm applying for fewer jobs and getting more interviews. I'm also tailoring my resume to include key words from each job description.
> Focus on quality versus quantity in applications. Really? People send 500 applications and not even _get a rejection_ these days. I honestly feel like people saying "quality vs quantity" haven't applied anywhere recently; it's clearly a numbers game when you can spend an hour or two on tailoring a CV and they might not even view it let alone send you an automated rejection a month later. Have a CV that covers a lot or a few versions that you can choose from and just preload for a particular type of role, but spending hours on tweaking a CV or even more than a minute or two is fool's game these days IMO. You're far more likely to get a response if you send 1,000 CVs than when you send 50 super-tailored ones.
That was my experience. I got more interviews when I applied soon after the job was posted. I edited my resume and cover letter a little for each position but I didn’t spend more than an hour on those before posting
And what exactly are your results from your approach? Your approach may work for entry level jobs, but not for experienced mid-career or mgmt/leadership positions. I’m speaking from my personal experience. You can call me a fool but I’m sharing what I changed and now I’m getting interviews. I’ve interviewed with three companies this month already. I’ve been looking for a job since last October. I went months without a single interview before I changed things up. I already tried the quantity approach, sending many applicarions in quickly to new job postings and got no responses. If what you’re doing isn’t working, you need to try something different. I have a few versions of my resume for the type of job I’m applying for and then I tailor my resume for each application by putting the job description into chat gpt and asking it for the top 10 keywords an ATS systems would most likely use to identify top candidates and make sure those words are in my resume somewhere. I’m also only applying for jobs that are a very good match for my background and industry experience instead of related jobs that I could do if given the chance. Of course, the best way to get an interview is through networking and having someone call attention to your application for consideration, but I've been able to get interviews recently both with and without networking.
> And what exactly are your results from your approach? I've had several interviews - one as recently as today and landed another one to happen later this week - and I have also established contacts that I know will bring me work in the future, because I follow up personally, not just blindly apply to anything and everything. The challenge is as much in the approach, as it is in the market (country-dependent, perhaps, just to caveat). I'm dealing with the UK, and I speak with recruiters, dozens upon dozens of them - honestly in my past few months I got to the point where I pretty much ran out of agencies to speak with, and have spoken or emailed and heard back from most of them in the country, one way or another. Still sometimes coming across some niche/boutique one that I didn't know of, but most of them are already covered and recruiters know me fairly well. I'm now pivoting to targeting companies directly, with both an application and speculative approach. The bottom line, however, is, people on the inside are telling me that _companies **are just not hiring**_. At least in my sector. There's a mix of economy being kicked to the ground, but also elections happening next week now, and stakeholders just holding their cards close to their chest - as this election is meant to be the biggest and most important in a generation, due to switching the political narrative and philosophy from conservative to centrist/liberal after 14 solid years. You can tweak all kinds of things on your end and come up with all kinds of hacks and clever strategies, but if the market is on its last knees, nobody will magic work for you out of thin air. Then, the choice you're left with, is either to pivot to somewhere else (if you've got the capability and ability) so as to weather the storm, or just keep going until things pick up again, and wait it out somehow by living off your savings, with family etc. That's another thing I keep hearing as a qualified and experienced candidate, time and time again: _it's not you, it's the market_. And the market always picks up, at some point. Short of a seismic change like the Industrial Revolution, jobs haven't ever been wiped out not to ever come back. Even AI isn't at the point to cause it now, there's a fair bit of a hype around it but organisations are slowly realising it's not all it's meant/said to be, and go back to copywriters or creatives because the AI output still needs to be fleshed out, vetted, corrected and polished, it's not really giving you things that are ready to go a lot (issues with syntax, problems with rendering letters in images, people with seven fingers, and so on) - and even then, _if_ it comes in, you just have to _evolve_ and _adapt_ to stay ahead of the curve, it's not self-dependent and won't be for a while, someone needs to operate it, prompt it correctly, still. So, yeah, the approach I have makes sense, it brings me results. My challenge isn't not getting people get back to me (I have 50 replies to my emails today alone, and it's barely lunchtime), my challenge is that my industry has ground to a bit of a halt and everyone in it is fighting with the entire power of the Universe to try and get something by the skin of their teeth, but you can't always squeeze the blood out of a stone.
I'm in the US. Maybe you can try not to crap on others trying to provide some helpful advice from their personal experience when you don't really have anything positive or hopeful to add yourself.
I disagree. Easy Apply is low-effort, low reply, but it's worth spending a portion of your time on LinkedIn, just make sure they time you're spending it proportionate to the likelihood of response.
What I meant is to apply on the company’s website instead of hitting “easy apply” on LI. There is nothing wrong with using LI in your job search.
Idk about any other state.. but ARIZONA has a website . https://www.azjobconnection.gov/ Skip indeed, skip linkedin. This government site has over 50k verified job postings. **AND BONUS, They have people that work there that will contact these companies for you and get you interviews.
Thanks! Do you.have to be a current resident of AZ?
I dont think so! You should still be able to create a profile 👍🏼
1. Apply for jobs as soon as they are posted. The earlier you apply the better 2. If the job has "Easy Apply" button you increase your chances by applying through the company website (I double down on both through website and easy apply) 3. Tailor your resume to each job. It can be as easy as having "Professional/Skills highlight" section at the very top with like 2-5 bullet points, and these bullet points should list highlights from your experiences/skills that the job is looking for. I try to make sure it's not a copy paste though. 4. Understand that recruiters are often non-technical people. If your resume lists that you're an expert in Typescript and the job is looking for Javascript dev you might assume hiring manager will understand that one leads to the other. Recruiter however will not. And he will be the first layer you need to go through. Dumb it down.
Wouldn’t applying in both places be marked as spam by them? I usually go to their site to apply if possible, but I try to never do both ways. I’ve been spooked by companies who outright say “do not double submit for roles or we will mark you in our spam and not consider you for future roles” (not exaggerating).
Maybe? I definitely got some interviews when double dipping. But perhaps it is safer to just apply from the website?
Yeah, I think it’s always better to just stick to one, you’re ultimately just making more work for them (and prolonging the time it takes them to get back to you with apps they’re going through). Glad it got you interviews though
> Yeah, I think it’s always better to just stick to one I disagree Some sources like LinkedIn or Indeed might not even get viewed But you might be one of only 10 who actually emailed directly. I'd say - always try and get it through via email and a direct email first, and get a confirmation. Even if only for establishing a relationship and have a starter for more emails and a further conversation (IMO key is in having those, for me every application is a networking/connection opportunity as much, if not more, than a chance to get a job alone). Worst case scenario, if you get in touch and send over directly, they'll just send you back to the application form, on LinkedIn, their website or elsewhere. But I've had occasions where I applied via LinkedIn and the same day or day later a Recruiter got in touch with me telling me "they have an amazing role", without ever acknowledging my LinkedIn application - which makes me think they've obviously not seen it, and are either ignoring those, or it takes time for them to go through them, and they offer roles to select candidates on their roster before they actually go through with assessing the applications submitted. This being said, usually a website + email is enough. No point in submitting the same application via email, company website and 10 different aggregators, lol. They usually either care about the aggregators and use them, or not. If they don't use them or don't pay close attention to them, going through multiple ones is not gonna help, you're just going to confuse the recruiters and possibly add to their workload _if_ they ever actually have to go through the external submissions. Obviously if they don't care about them, and attention paid to those coming in = 0, then 10 different submissions won't make a change, 10 x 0 = still 0.
Create a version of your resume that is just for ATS systems. Mine is 7 pages long. It includes my full address, every job I’ve had since college, the exact start and end dates, the company addresses and phone numbers, and a ton of detail about what I did at that job. Every software program used, the types of projects I worked on, roles and responsibilities, including minor details. When I apply for a job using Workday or a similar ATS, I upload this document and watch it fill in the fields automatically. I then review the application and fine-tune it. Just before submitting, I replace the attachment with my “clean” resume - a neatly formatted 2-page document that only highlights the most relevant information. I have 5 different versions of my clean resume depending on the type of role I’m applying for, emphasizing various aspects of my experience. The hours I spent creating these different documents have saved me countless hours during the application process.
lol.
Does your long resume version list each role that you’ve had with an individual company? Are each of these roles then entered into the ATS application? How would you handle accounting for a title change (where the role hasn’t changed materially)? As an example, I worked at company A for 6 years, and over that time held 2 different roles. One role also had a title promotion, like manager to Associate Vice President.
I was at one company for over a decade, and I list 4 different roles from there. I don’t separate the inline promotions where I was doing the same work but had a change in title; I use the most senior version as the title for that role. I do create a separate listing when my work meaningfully changes, e.g, a new department or function.
Thank you, very helpful.
This is actually genius!
Smart idea, guess what I'm doing next.
Try applying directly to company websites, you may have better luck
I definitely used to filter these first when I was hiring in past
I bet Networking is the real game.
Yeah, networking has been successful for me in the past. Is there anything specific you're doing like LinkedIn messages, networking events?
I’m keeping to a regular (weekly, every 2 weeks) schedule of posting to LinkedIn and Facebook about something work-related and a reminder of the types of roles I’m looking for. The majority of my interviews have happened because someone I used to work with connected me to the role.
I've been asking former co-workers now in lead or management positions if they can take a 30- to 60-second glance at my resume, what stands out, and how I can improve it. It's much better than a cold call and may lead to opportunities.
I'll be happy to check yours if you don't mind looking at mine
Shoot your shots in your friends circle, then mutuals and try introducing yourself to people. You'll find some great hacks.
Imo, LinkedIn networking never works because people don’t use LinkedIn as it should be used
Lie.
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I haven't tried it yet, but someone on another sub/post suggested turning off "open to work" on your LinkedIn profile, and wait for awhile to turn it back on again to get recruiters to reach out to you.
I have an agenda where I write down all the jobs I am interested in applying for. As the deadline approaches, I look closer and decide if I am a good fit. Often, after the initial excitement of seeing a job ad, I realise that the job is not for me as they are asking for some experience/skill/degree I don't have so it's not worth applying or I am not interested in the job. I'd rather write 5 good applications that I believe in than fire off 500 to random job ads. In the end, that costs you time and effort as well.
I use this to find fresh job postings via Google https://job-finder.russellheimlich.com/
Get an email client that lets you set up templates. Come up with good copy that looks like it's customised so whoever's reading it doesn't feel like you're just lazily mass-mailing them, but it's really just a header with their name, and then name-dropping the company in one of the first sentences - kinda cover-letter-like. Honestly, you might be saving, maybe 15-30s per email without having to copy-paste from Notes or something, and adding attachments. The thing is… If you send 1,000 emails, that's already 15,000-30,000 seconds so 250-500 **minutes** saved, so between 4-8 **hours** you've cut out you'd otherwise spend on meaningless stuff, and that's 4-8 hours you can spend on emailing more people. Honestly once I started doing this, my email game went on another level. Come up with a list of emails in a spreadsheet, click the email address, it will open a new email for you in your email client, load up the template automatically, add the recipients name, change XXX in the body, wherever you've placed it, to the company name, boom, you're done. You can easily get 120+ 'customised' emails/hour that way, and I'm getting better and faster at it. EDIT: No idea why I'm being downvoted, I've done it this past weekend, had over 100 replies and some good leads, but you guys do you, I guess 🤷♂️😬
Good process, but How do you come.up with a list of emails though?
There's some databases you can find on Scribd.com and the like, they have a free 30-day trial on there, so, as long as you create an account, link your PayPal then cancel it immediately so you don't end up getting charged, you can get it. Mind, I can't vouch for their authenticity though; with company emails if it's a document any older than a year, I would say you might be hitting a lot of dead leads, as emails won't be active anymore due to people having moved on. This being said, still worth trying because especially with recent leavers you often have an OOO come back to you, advising you to get in touch with other people, whose email addresses are then provided. I generally do my own research, based on a combination of Boolean search on Google + occasional RocketReach (I have several GMail accounts, each one of them is 3 free credits a month) + LinkedIn, in general. It generally works for me, although I have to caveat I deal with and target mostly recruitment agencies for my industry + SMEs. Not megacorps with 10,000 employees… in a single country, and the like. It's a bit of a nightmare with corporations (I've done it a few times), because, unlike with recruiters or small/medium businesses, they often don't list employees or even HRs/Talent Managers etc. with their email addresses anywhere, and even if you manage to somehow get hold of someone's email address by digging through Google search results (or you connect with someone on LinkedIn and get at least the company email format), I'd say it's unlikely they'll refer you to the right person, they'll just bin the email. Although you _might_ get some luck if you get the email format, the Talent Manager's actual name (e.g. via LinkedIn) and then add 2 + 2 together, working it out. That's a bit of work without guaranteed results, but if there's a particular company you want to work for… What else can you do and what do you have to lose, really. Doesn't cost anything, as long as you don't invest in those corporate email aggregators and just use free plans. But, let's say it lands in the Inbox of some low-level office worker in another country, they're probably not going to go out of their way to refer you to the HR in your territory etc. - which happened to me multiple times with my strategy, I might have hit up the wrong person or even a wrong branch of an international recruiter and they just Cc'd the right person for me whose email I couldn't find myself. But that's unlikely to happen with a massive company, because on one side people are just busy, they don't want to get involved, or they might not even know the contacts (you'd be surprised how compartmentalised corporations can be, with zero awareness or crossover between different departments, much less across continents).
Thanks! I'm in tech and cold apps aren't cutting it now for me or anyone else I was laid off with, so I'm thankful you shared all of this.
do you have one you can recommend?
I use Spark on OS X (the "old", "original" one that's free) - frankly been using it for years but only recently discovered there's an option to save and load templates, so well done me 🤦♂️ It even allows you to preload attachments already, so if you want to send your CV or portfolio you can have it _in a template_ without having to click, find it and attach it or even drag & drop each and every time. Again, it's probably negligible saving and feature if you do it once or twice, but once you get to the level of reaching out to thousands of people, it all adds up and helps you avoid a major time suck because 20s across 1,000 emails is a lot of time. Also, productivity doesn't seem to go down as quick and rapidly as you don't feel like you're doing a dull, monotonous work with several different stages, for hours no end, eventually giving you quite a lot of brain fog and mental fatigue (it certainly does that to me). Click an email address on a website/in a document or copy/paste it, load the template with prepopulated Subject line and attachments already in, add somebody's name at the top, company name in the body, you're done. No fiddling around, all nice and easy. Honestly I have no idea if it was me just being stupid or have they only introduced it recently. I'm not even checking on that, living in the hope it was the latter and I didn't just waste tens if not hundreds of aggregate hours of my time in the past year or so, by doing pointless manual work on every single email. I have to say the whole templates thing made the emailing way more convenient, and I can go through much more outbound than I ever could, without getting tired and demotivated by tedious, repetitive work as quick as I did before.
I use software to automatically reach out to people in my industry on LinkedIn. Ordinarily, I wouldn't follow up with someone six times without getting a response, but when you automate it, you don't even think about it, so there's less shame lol. Nothing ever came of it until a few months ago when a top company hired me freelance and it more than paid for itself.
What software?
Expandi and LinkedIn navigator.
Use the key words from the job posting in your resume
Networking?
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Knowing people within the desired company with influence to get you hired and exploiting the relationship. It's not an ethical hack, but hacking rarely is, and it's by far the most superior option. Aside from that, having specialized credentials that are difficult to obtain and that are required to work in a particular sector that is currently suffering from a shortage of credentialed employees is easy mode for job searches.
1. The women in my network are far more likely to follow through on recommendations and introductions than men. Don't know why, but that has been my experience. 2. Texting with hiring managers, recruiters, and connections has garnered far more interviews than email.
i prefer finding places i might want to work and going to the careers tab on their website over looking at a huge job forum like indeed. then you don’t have to worry about fake postings, and scanning what’s available is usually much quicker before moving on. works best if you want to work in-person, so it’s been failing me on my remote search but has been great in the past
Don’t do easy apply on the apps. Focus on applying directly on company websites. Make sure you change your resume to the job you are applying for… dummy it down if needed. Do follow up calls. I did this after months of searching and landed a new job. If you are older only show the last 10-15 years of work and don’t include your address or dates of graduation.
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Tailor your resume to the job posting obviously within reason. But having multiple versions of your resume that match certain key words and terms in the job description helps a lot
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Why is this comment getting downvoted? That app sounds helpful to me. I hate when people downvote comments with no explanation why.
Why should people without legitimate references get them?
I don't think it's for references, it's for referrals.
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Build a cover letter. It's not often read by real people, but it can give you an edge in how relevant the computer (Application Tracking System or ATS, e.g. Workday and Taleo) thinks your application is to the job. It doesn't have to be unique to every position, but it should reflect the keywords that are common in the types of jobs you're applying for. Something churned out of ChatGPT with a once-over for clarity and natural language is fine.