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rh8938

I can't recall the last time there was an errata to change how a card was intended to function. They didn't do it for skullclamp, they won't do it for Nadu


Jokey665

it's really only been for cards that had actual mistakes in their rules text. stuff like leaving out "X can't be 0" on marath or whatever


Syrix001

Mostly because then Marath would be an infinite dies triggers Commander on turn 3.


digiman619

The last time they did it was to the Companion ability in Ikoria, and it was unprecedented.


Guba_the_skunk

Sorry, what? Unprecedented? Did you even play magic then? Companions instantly warped every format. Edit: Everyone down voting me and claiming I don't know what "unprecedented" means. Ok, sure. First off, all oracle text. There are dozens of cards whose entire function was changed because they decided to completely change the oracle text. Best example being time vault, which LITERALLY changed from working as printed, to being changed to adding counters, to removing the counters mechanic. Im fact, here's a history: 1993, the original printing: Tap to gain an additional turn after the current one. Time Vault doesn't untap normally during untap phase; to untap it, you must skip a turn. Time Vault begins tapped. 1996, made some power level errata to make it go from broken to useless: Does not untap as normal. If Time Vault is tapped and does not have a time counter, you may skip your turn to untap Time Vault and put a time counter on it. {tap}: Remove the time counter from Time Vault to take an additional turn immediately before the next normal turn. 1998 & 2004, edited the template to match current rules. (this is the 2004 text): Time Vault comes into play tapped. Time Vault doesn't untap during your untap step. Skip your next turn: Untap time vault and put a time counter on it. {T}, Remove all time counters from Time Vault: Take an extra turn after this one. Play this ability if only there's a time counter on Time Vault. March 2006, to stop an unintended combo with Flame Fusillade abusing unlimited untaps: Time Vault comes into play tapped. Time Vault doesn't untap during your untap step. At the beginning of your upkeep you may untap Time Vault. If you do put a time counter on it and you skip your next turn. {T} Remove all time counters from Time Vault: Take an extra turn after this one. Play this ability only if there's a time counter on Time Vault. July 2006, as far as I can tell there isn't a reason for this eratta (other than bad Mizzium Transreliquat combos): Time Vault comes into play tapped. If Time Vault would become untapped, instead choose one -- untap Time Vault and you skip your next turn or Time Vault remains tapped. {T}: Take an extra turn after this one. 2008, Wizards finally decides to remove all power level errata and returns Time Vault to its original functionality just with an updated template: Time Vault enters the Battlefield tapped. Time Vault doesn't untap during your untap step. If you would begin your turn while Time Vault is tapped, you may skip that turn instead. If you do, untap Time Vault. {T}: Take an extra turn after this one. Source: https://boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/22731/what-are-all-the-previous-oracle-text-revisions-for-time-vault Unprecedented my foot. YOU all don't know what the word means. Second edit:. Including some examples someone else in this thread pointed out. The removal of the planeswalker redirection rule functionally changed quite a few burn spells. The legendary rule change stopped [clones from being doom blades](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/89/phantasmal-image). Not to mention the change before that. Adding damage to the stack (or the subsequent removal of damage on the stack).


mariomaniac432

How was it not unprecedented? They completely changed the rules for Companion. WotC specifically avoids functional changes to any one card whenever possible. This was a functional change to an entire mechanic which affected several cards at once. That's literally unprecedented.


Rchmage

OP doesn’t know what the word “unprecedented” means and is really digging their own grave


FutureComplaint

The removal of the planeswalker redirection rule functionally changed quite a few burn spells. The legendary rule change stopped [clones from being doom blades](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/89/phantasmal-image). Not to mention the change before that. Adding damage to the stack (or the subsequent removal of damage on the stack).


Guba_the_skunk

More great examples.


Succubace

Only the first *kinda* fits, the rest aren't erratas but general rule changes.


LoneStarTallBoi

"unprecedented" just means "hadn't happened before".


GreatGoogly-Moogly

Unprecedented as in thay had never done an errata change that sweeping before.


FutureComplaint

But they have, several times in fact.


AnvilWarning

Can you point to an existing precedent for doing that at the time?


Guba_the_skunk

Can I point to them changing how cards work different from how they were printed? Yes, all oracle text. Also, time vault. Which has gone through a dozen different changes over the years before finally landing where it is now.


AnvilWarning

But the functionality of time vault has remained the same is a 2 mana artifact that enters tapped, taps to give an extra turn, doesn't untap normally and must be untapped by skipping a turn. Also remember that they didn't errata any cards that had companion. The rules text if each of these cards has remained unchanged through the Nerf, they changed the keyword not the cards themselves


MattJC01

They reprinted companions in the March of the Machines: Multiverse Legends bonus sheet and the companion rule change is noted on them (paying 3 to put them into hand).


AnvilWarning

That's not rules text tho, that's reminder text


Guba_the_skunk

What does reminder text do? Oh right, it reminds you OF THE RULES. Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel of semantics to win an argument.


AnvilWarning

When they reprint a card without reminder text is that an errata? Afternoon they've changed the words on the card. When they print a card in a different language it's that an errata? An errata is changing the rules text of a card, they didn't change the rules text so it isn't an errata


mortadela999

Do you even know what the word means?


Guba_the_skunk

I updated my comment so I don't have to explain myself to everyone. Maybe you should think before you speak.


mortadela999

Oh yeah sure, I should have guessed that you actually meant a different argument than what the words you wrote mean!


Guba_the_skunk

Updated it again with several more examples. But keep saying I'm wrong, I'm sure it will work out.


tghast

You’re still not understanding. Your original comment used “unprecedented” weirdly in context, then your edit seems to change the context of your original comment. You either made your original comment in a strange way and are confused as to why people are harping on you or you’re backpedaling after realizing your mistake and trying to pretend you meant what you’re now explaining.


Syrix001

Well, I think that might've been a horse at some point, but it's been so thoroughly beaten beyond recognition I'm pretty sure I used it as a token for my [[Slime Against Humanity]] deck.


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SnottNormal

Companion, probably.


rh8938

No card with Companion recieved errata. The companion rule was updated.


Brave_Garlic_9189

That is the definition of an errata. The text changed between ikora and the MUL reprints as well. 


rh8938

No it didn't, the printed reminder text of the rule changed. >Companion — Each nonland card in your starting deck has a different name Is the printed rules text on Lutri, both versions.


Brave_Garlic_9189

Yes rules changes are errata. Reminder text is to remind you what is different. 


rh8938

I know you are moving these goalposts more than a groundskeeper right now. But even if we go by your own definition, my original post specifically stated "how a card was intended" not, "how a rule was intended"


Maleficent_Muffin_To

> The text changed between ikora and the MUL reprints as well. Mogg fanatic didn't change text when they updated damage on the stack.


Brave_Garlic_9189

Damage on the stack is also functional errata?


AnvilWarning

By your definition yes, it is a rules change that functionally changes how the card can be played and used. If it counts for companion it counts for mogg fanatic


rh8938

And every time they slightly adjust a rule to accomodate new edge cases as well, don't forget that's also errata according to thier own definition.


Jokey665

no card rules text changed when companion was changed, only reminder text it's like saying legendary cards received errata each time the legend rule has changed. it's just not true. the rules changed


[deleted]

Gotta love the sheer pedantry of the online community


kaelsnail

Um Actually I don't have to.


SnottNormal

Not trying to be a dingus, just pointing out that Skullclamp was ~20 years ago and Ikoria was less than ~5. I don’t expect functional errata here either.


[deleted]

It's more this whole thread. My god, magic players love getting into a bunch of inconsequential hair splitting. You could swear someone spat in their mother's face with the attitude some people give over precedents in a tcg. It's like being at the zoo


Xarxsis

Companion, and that was earthshattering


Guba_the_skunk

There's also at least 1 other card they would have to errata if they chose to errata nadu, the GB uncommon that gives counters because it's templates identically. Also whose actually asking for a nadu ban in modern?


CardOfTheRings

Companion - and hostage taker are the only ones I remember anytime recently.


rh8938

[[Ajanis Pridemate]] [[Teferi hero of dominaria]] also had minor erratas


CardOfTheRings

That Ajanis pride mate card errata is bonkers. So weirdly out of line with their usual philosophy on errata. At least companion and hostage taker were broken.


RealityPalace

It's because the card was designed back when tournament rules made non-may triggers a downside, but then it was later reprinted onto arena where the non-may trigger is a huge pain in the ass for people who would want to actually use the card.


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Jokey665

not the kind of thing wizards does really. also it wouldn't really work as you're describing it


gredman9

> Moving the last quotation mark to the end of the second to last sentence Let's see: > Creatures you control have **"Whenever this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability, reveal the top card of your library. If it’s a land card, put it onto the battlefield. Otherwise, put it into your hand."** This ability triggers only twice each turn. This doesn't make sense, since the "creatures you control" ability doesn't trigger; its a static ability. All this does is remove the "only twice each turn" from the creature and doesn't put it anywhere else. So congrats on making these infinite instead.


InfernalHibiscus

Lmao


Suspinded

They haven't done power level errata in decades, and all the types they had in the past has been undone. Errata is for functional card printing errors. Power level errata was a poor way to fix broken cards in the past. Having to explain to people that their cards don't do what they say on the card is miserable. It's even more fun when the power level errata makes fun broken Eternal interactions happen, like the \[\[Time Vault\]\] and \[\[Flame Fusillade\]\] debacle. Time Vault had some 3-4 iterations of Power Level Errata that never fixed it truly. Did you know TV used counters at one point? You couldn't by what the card says, but it was a thing.


CIeaverBot

Wasn't the companion change a straight up powerlevel errata? The companion keyword doesn't function at all like the reminder text on the original cards phrases it. Imo Nadu doesn't force WotC's hand half as much as the entirely broken companion mechanic, but it's not as unprecedented to do this in recent times as you and this entire comment section make it sound.


TechnomagusPrime

The changes to Companion and Cascade (and Hideaway!) are slightly different context, since it was the mechanic itself that was changed and not the individual cards. Nadu doesn't have a keyword whose rules can be changed to alter what he does, so their only options are to issue a functional errata (which they try to use only when a card doesn't work properly under the current rules and not to "fix" its power level) or to ban. Nadu is annoying, but I don't think he needs a ban just yet. The set's been out barely a week and a half, and the meta is still quite volatile.


CIeaverBot

Cascade and Hideaway changes are very different from the Companion change. The first was a change to an interaction that doesn't affect the wording or general keyword in the slightest. It's an "under the hood" rules change to something that was only ever explicit in rules texts beyond cards. The Companion change editedthe effect of the keyword outright, explicitly to nerf it. If there was a cycle of Nadu effects in all colors with a keyword, they might even feel tempted to do it again. Just because it could kill so many birds with one stone.


TechnomagusPrime

Sure, but the important takeaway here is that the actual rules text of the Companions wasn't changed, just their reminder text, because it was the mechanic itself that was altered. Hideaway was actually a more significant change than Companion, because it required errataing the six cards with the mechanic already, since the "enters the battlefield tapped" portion was no longer baked in, it changed to a variable number of cards looked at, and it randomized the cards put on the bottom (originally it was "any order").


CIeaverBot

Oh, true. That's even worse than the companion change in some ways. I'd rate it more as a templating change with minor rules adjustment, while the affected cards remained practically the same. The main difference here is the actual gameplay impact and intention, though. Hideaway was fixing a not so well implemented effect on some cards with niche playability. Companion was a hard nerf to the arguably most broken keyword ever.


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RainRainThrowaway777

They could change it to "*Other* creatures you control..." so Nadu doesn't get the ability itself and is easier to deal with They could change it to once per turn instead of twice. It could be a 3/3 or 3/2 so common damage based removal can try to kill it. They could change it to "...becomes a target of a spell..." instead of any ability. Or "...becomes the target of an instant or sorcery..." Or "...of a spell or ability you control..." There's a dozen different things they could have done that they regularly do to regulate the power level of abilities like this, but they decided to eschew every single one of them.


CopperGolem8

If it needs an erratum, just ban it better that cards can be read and understood than having players be confused. They can print a new card that's similar later.


idk_whatever_69

That is not how errata works at all.


EntranceFeisty8373

I'm not too familiar with WotC's process. How does it work?


idk_whatever_69

They only fix things that are broken in that they don't work properly. They don't change things just because they're too strong. Errata is not equivalent to Nerf. Nothing about this card is currently not functioning within the rules.


Creamchiis

I'm sure someone else already said this, but that wouldn't work since nadu itself doesn't actually have a triggered ability, technically. It gives the text of a triggered ability to all your creatures, including itself.


Odd-Medicine2814

Instead of a Nadu ban. Do nothing. It's fine, people are overreacting.


hillean

Ban Shoku; no one else will miss it


Eidolon_of_Racism

Ban Nadu just to teach whoever built his deck that now they have disfunctional overpaid junk that they cannot use for anything else. Good luck finding a new home to Shoku


TemurTron

Nadu isn’t even that oppressive, you need to relax and learn to adapt. It’s strong as hell yes, but completely beatable with tons of hate options. The biggest impact on Modern it’s had is it’s pushed Yawgmoth out of the tables as the de facto creature combo deck, and honestly Yawg was much more miserable to play against.


Bugs5567

I bet you’re being downvoted by a bunch of EDH players. They’re notorious for refusing to update decks based on their metas.


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